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(Uproxx)   This week in "Getting Smarter and Better at Cocktail Parties with John Oliver," Mr. Oliver takes FIFA to the woodshed just in time for The World Cup. Complete with Two Girls One Cup metaphor, of course   (uproxx.com) divider line 37
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2014-06-09 05:14:03 PM  
7 votes:

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.


There have been some key differences so far though. Like Oliver will do a full 10-15 minutes on one subject, a lot more focus on international news,  and he gets to criticize big corporations since the show isn't paid for with ad dollars.
2014-06-09 05:30:25 PM  
5 votes:

insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.


Because the people who made the content didn't do it out of the goodness of their heart, they did it to make money, if I want to enjoy their service, I should pay something. If you don't, that either means you are disincentivizing the creation of more content that you like, or you are inflating the cost for other people to pay for your share.

I never understood why people don't feel any guilt over pirating.
2014-06-09 05:05:31 PM  
5 votes:

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.


He gets his own show that is 100% his voice, and he gets to swear. I think it's great.
2014-06-09 05:23:31 PM  
3 votes:

insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.


Because if you're being entertained by the show, you should probably be compensating the creators and talent somehow?  I'm not saying you should be required to have cable and support that structure, but you should at least be throwing a bit into the pot per episode, or watching commercials.  Something.

Because if everyone goes your way, there are no more shows.
2014-06-09 05:19:59 PM  
3 votes:
I have to say... Every time I see something by John Oliver.... I learn something...
2014-06-09 05:05:16 PM  
3 votes:
World Cup story apropos of nothing:

In the 90's when the World Cup came to Orlando, the Irish were having quite the time of it. One night at a downtown bar, when "last call" was announced, the Irish decided they weren't done partying yet. They forcibly ejected all the employees, taking their keys and locking the doors as they and everyone else inside went gangbusters.

The manager called the cops, who took one look and said "nope". They advised the manager to let them drink themselves silly until they were done, and submit a claim to the insurance company for damages the next day.

As it turns out though, the manager came in the next day with a spare set of keys to find the place immaculate. Everything was properly cleaned, mopped and wiped down, and the cash register was practically bursting with cash. Turns out they'd collected full price for every drink, got rid of any violent troublemakers, and cleaned up afterward. They even left a note of apology and thanks.

/CSB
2014-06-09 03:30:17 PM  
3 votes:
[PLUG] tag misspelled.

how much is Mr Oliver paying you guys?
2014-06-09 07:01:01 PM  
2 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: You don't get to choose which laws you do and don't obey based on moral objectives to how various businesses operate.


I don't pirate but this statement pissed me off. We all get to choose which laws we obey and which we don't. No law is moral and just simply because it is a law.  Anybody who uses, 'because it's the law.' as justification for their actions isn't adult enough to be let out of the house unsupervised.
2014-06-09 06:06:17 PM  
2 votes:
You are just a common thief, plain and simple.  Own it.  BTW I am not saying I have never done the same thing or wouldn't again but the mental gymnastics some folks go through to rationalize/defend  their behavior cracks me up.
2014-06-09 05:32:03 PM  
2 votes:

insertsnarkyusername: shower_in_my_socks: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Same reason people feel guilty for shoplifting.

Those aren't even remotely the same thing. If I shoplift say a 6 pack of beer that's one thing it's lost inventory that the store is out money on. If I could sit at home and magically make a copy of that 6 pack appear in front of me nothing is lost and nobody has been harmed.


That is absolute bullshiat. I'm an independent filmmaker with four documentaries in distribution. The first film that I made was self-distributed for the first few months before we found a distributor. I put it out on Amazon myself. Within days, it was already ripped and on the torrent sites. I found message boards where people were requesting a ripped version of it for them to download. It was RIGHT THERE on Amazon for them to buy - reasonably priced, and streaming, even, if they didn't want a disk. But why do that when they can just grab it for free? Those @ssholes STOLE MONEY FROM ME. Period. All of my films are self-funded. You're talking to a Farker who had money taken out of his pocket by this shiat, so don't try to defend it.
2014-06-09 05:21:54 PM  
2 votes:

nmrsnr: some_beer_drinker: nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.

do you not understand how the internet works?

I gave up pirating a long time ago. Too much effort, too many viruses, and I don't have to try and not feel guilty through crappy justifications.


eztv.it

never had a virus.
2014-06-09 05:16:42 PM  
2 votes:

browntimmy: RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

There have been some key differences so far though. Like Oliver will do a full 10-15 minutes on one subject, a lot more focus on international news,  and he gets to criticize big corporations since the show isn't paid for with ad dollars.


So much this. Oliver has pulled no punches against GM and Comcast. It's refreshing to see unadulterated muckraking journalism for once.
2014-06-09 05:16:08 PM  
2 votes:

some_beer_drinker: nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.

do you not understand how the internet works?


I gave up pirating a long time ago. Too much effort, too many viruses, and I don't have to try and not feel guilty through crappy justifications.
2014-06-09 05:08:11 PM  
2 votes:

SlothB77: [PLUG] tag misspelled.

how much is Mr Oliver paying you guys?


Less than Walking Dead, but more than Cosmos.
2014-06-09 05:07:16 PM  
2 votes:

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.


i'm guessing that all of a small pie is sometimes better than a tiny slice of a big pie.

/ the composer for a bunch of ingmar bergman films was asked why he didn't write for the symphony, and he said, why leave this small pond where I am the biggest fish, to be some small fish somewhere else?  not exactly applicable, but applicable enough.  for my low standards anyways.
2014-06-09 05:02:08 PM  
2 votes:
Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.
2014-06-09 03:40:18 PM  
2 votes:
More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.
2014-06-09 10:15:32 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: ChadM89: I pay almost $200/mo for my cable service (all channels including premiums, multiple rooms, all HD DVRs, plus internet and phone). I'm not pirating anything, to any degree.

No, you're paying the distributor only with your subscription fee.

The  channels, the people that are providing the actual content, make most of their revenue from ads, in many cases  all of their revenue, the cable company pays them little to nothing.

If you use the DVR, distributor-provided or not, you're straight-up taking their content without paying for it.  Even after they went to all that work to localize the ads to be more potentially actually useful to you.

You pirate bastard.


Content providers knowingly provide their content to distributors with the understanding that DVRs exist and are being used. They supply the content regardless, willingly. They understand and agree that the end user can and often will use their DVRs to skip advertising.

What makes it piracy is that the source of the material has not given their consent for their product to be taken without payment.

There's a reason why downloading movies you haven't paid for is illegal but fast-forwarding commercials on your DVR is not, and arguing otherwise only makes you look like a fool. What did you think, that people in the thread were all going to read your nonsense and nod in agreement, incapable of the grade-school logic required to see that you have no idea what you're talking about? Jesus Christ.
2014-06-09 10:04:39 PM  
1 votes:

insertsnarkyusername: So it's allright if you are inconvenienced in some way shape or form?


Did I say anything remotely resembling that? I pointed out that his analogy of advertisers paying for content that is then delivered to you is different than content that you have to pay for yourself, because in no case were the ad buyers guaranteed your viewership, and pay for the content knowing that fact, as opposed to content providers expecting their viewers to pay, and having no other legal avenue of access.
2014-06-09 08:13:39 PM  
1 votes:

Jaden Smith First of His Name: weddingsinger: Pirating is a selfish act. It denies compensation to those who create something. True to any selfish act, if too many people also participate, the burden gets unfairly put upon those who do pay, who now have to pay a larger share, until the entire system collapses.

But if those people were never going to buy or watch legally in the first place it's not a lost sale. If I go to a museum and see a Van Gogh I like, and print it out later on a 3D printer, it's not like the market for Van Gogh purchasers has gone down because I was never going to buy one in the first place. I've watched a few cam-rip movies in the past few weeks because they were things I was never going to see in the theater in the first place, and I may just go see one of them in the theater because the movie was much better than I thought it would be. In that sense piracy may add a sale that didn't exist beforehand.


You're comparing a rare item (a Van Gogh) to a common one, though your printing of a non-copyrighted item did cost the museum's gift shop a sale (of the poster).  Plus, it doesn't change the fact that, if you're not willing to pay for something, then just don't participate.  It's the same courtesy you would expect of other people for your own work.  That's how a society works.  If you only take without contributing, then you're just an asshole.  Justifying it by claiming you would never pay for it is bullshiat.  Then don't watch the movies at all if they're such garbage instead of rationalizing enjoying the fruits of someone's work without paying them.
2014-06-09 07:41:25 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: insertsnarkyusername: They didn't steal from you, they found your work not worth the money you were charging or they weren't sure and wanted to check it out. Plus you are talking about a group of people who probably just download all of their entertainment from that site. You didn't lose sales, you gained viewers.

Just out of curiosity, do you routinely sneak into movie theaters? Do you a problem with those that do?


When Ender's Game came out in theaters, I really wanted to see it but I could not in good conscience contribute monetarily in any way to Orson Scott Card due to his crazy bigotry.

So I paid for two tickets (I had someone with me) for an entirely different movie, then just went into room showing Ender's Game. Bought snacks at concessions and everything, just to be contributing properly.

I don't feel bad about it. Scott Card brought it upon himself.

I also later went back and saw the other movie, the one I paid for the first time, so I paid to watch that movie twice but only watched it once. I don't remember what it was, off-hand.

Okay, that's my cool story, bro.
2014-06-09 06:54:17 PM  
1 votes:

lostcat: I don't know how long his show is, but it's refreshing to see these 13-minute exposes, while TDS seems to have to crunch everything into shorter segments, which makes them seem rushed and incomplete.


Agreed.  Some of Stewart's best work on the Daily Show was his extended crusade to get 9-11 First Responders health care covered.
2014-06-09 06:26:53 PM  
1 votes:
I was in France for 98, and was in Lyon for the Scotland game (I think they were in St. Etienne).  I honestly don't remember a lot over that couple of days.  I remember my local took out the glass and brought in plastic cups (wise move in retrospect).  I do know I was so drunk that I felt it for days afterward, even without alcohol.  I did vomit, profusely, and was encouraged to keep drinking.  I remember getting blown by a Scottish brunette named Wanda while smoking a cigar.  I say "remember" but truth is I don't--there is photographic evidence, because she did it in the back pool room.  I have no idea if I came.  And probably most importantly, I remember one song we sang over and over.

"There's only one Wayne Rooney.
There's only one Wayne Rooney.
With a packet of sweets and a cheeky smile,
Rooney is a farking pedophile."

I found out later the next week, I made an international phone call home to my parents in Florida, and the entire bar sang that song.

On a more humbling note, I have to admit that after watching that video...Jesus, I feel farking educated about FIFA.  I mean, I knew Qatar bribed the fark out of them, anyone with half a brain could figure that out.  But the rest...just farking wow.
2014-06-09 06:24:14 PM  
1 votes:

Khellendros: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Because if you're being entertained by the show, you should probably be compensating the creators and talent somehow?  I'm not saying you should be required to have cable and support that structure, but you should at least be throwing a bit into the pot per episode, or watching commercials.  Something.

Because if everyone goes your way, there are no more shows.


I don't have cable.  And couldn't even get it until a month ago (new building) and I'm on the wrong side of the building for a satellite dish (don't get me started about my last experience with DirecTV).  How can I compensate the "creators" and "talent" (using both terms loosely) when I'm given no opportunity to do so?  Its time for these assholes to grow up and offer real choice to consumers.  But I doubt it will happen.

/NBC pulled the same shiat on the olympics
2014-06-09 06:14:14 PM  
1 votes:
Wow, this thread got derailed big time.

Anyway, John Oliver's show is awesome. I love The Daily Show, but Last Week Tonight has more freedom and it shows, making it far more biting than I think The Daily Show is allowed to be. As others have said, Oliver doesn't have to answer to anyone, and he can curse. And since I don't really follow soccer, I learned just how corrupt the FIFA is, something I don't think would be covered on TDS.
2014-06-09 06:09:29 PM  
1 votes:
I'm amazed that this is the clip of John Oliver we're seeing today and not Right Said Fred taking down Assad.

The difference between Oliver's show and the Daily Show is that the Daily has to talk about the biggest American news stories, and does so almost every day. Oliver brings you (take downs of the) news that you don't normally even hear about in the USA, exposes corruption and hypocrisy all over the world instead of just here, and can be smarter about it because he's on premium cable and doesn't have to worry about advertisers or lowest common denominator appeal.

It's like the BBC World version of the Daily Show. I wish it was 60 minutes long.
2014-06-09 06:00:52 PM  
1 votes:

insertsnarkyusername: You didn't lose sales, you gained viewers.


in the absence of sponsors and advertising dollars, viewers are insignificant.

you didn't lose sales, you just shrank the market, because now there are people who will never purchase the product.  so, i guess you could say, you did lose sales.
2014-06-09 05:40:36 PM  
1 votes:

insertsnarkyusername: It's a business that doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers. Why is it my responsibility to care about them?


You don't get to choose which laws you do and don't obey based on moral objectives to how various businesses operate.
2014-06-09 05:37:01 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Because the people who made the content didn't do it out of the goodness of their heart, they did it to make money, if I want to enjoy their service, I should pay something. If you don't, that either means you are disincentivizing the creation of more content that you like, or you are inflating the cost for other people to pay for your share.

I never understood why people don't feel any guilt over pirating.


The way to combat piracy is to offer a better service for a reasonable price. Steam and GOG stopped all my video game pirating years ago by being easier, safer and reasonably priced. I subscribe to Netflix and Amazon prime and I'd subscribe to HBO Go if that was available to me. With HBO my options are to get cable and pay 60 bucks a month for a mostly useless service, not watch anything or pay 60 bucks for a season of game of thrones after it comes out. And you are right, they don't do this out of the goodness of their hearts and they are well compensated for their efforts so why should I give a shiat if they don't get a sale they weren't going to get anyway? It's a business that doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers. Why is it my responsibility to care about them?
2014-06-09 05:32:30 PM  
1 votes:

some_beer_drinker: nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.

do you not understand how the internet works?


Or, he could choose to subscribe to the service to show them how much he liked their content.
2014-06-09 05:31:14 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.


Why?  When you can just watch it the next day on Fark for free?
2014-06-09 05:20:44 PM  
1 votes:

insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.


Same reason people feel guilty for shoplifting.
2014-06-09 05:19:58 PM  
1 votes:

beer4breakfast: kidgenius: If Colbert leaving had been announced first, you figure Oliver would've been offered Colbert's spot. Then, if the HBO offer came, would he have taken it?

I think Oliver is great, but I don't think he could(or would want to) take over Colbert's conservative pundit schtick.


Why would he take over the schtick?  We're just talking about the spot.  Do you think Larry Wilmore is going to do the conservative derp character when he takes over the spot?
2014-06-09 05:14:50 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.


It rhymes with "Irate Ray". I'd subscribe to HBO go if they offered it but they won't. Since I don't get cable HBO has sort of priced themselves out of the game. I'm not paying comcast 50 bucks a month plus whatever HBO costs so I can watch an hour and a half of programing a week.
2014-06-09 05:07:14 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.


do you not understand how the internet works?
2014-06-09 05:06:52 PM  
1 votes:
2014-06-09 04:58:44 PM  
1 votes:
"Bribery and FIFA go together like peanut butter and jelly"
 
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