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(Uproxx)   This week in "Getting Smarter and Better at Cocktail Parties with John Oliver," Mr. Oliver takes FIFA to the woodshed just in time for The World Cup. Complete with Two Girls One Cup metaphor, of course   (uproxx.com ) divider line
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2014-06-09 11:16:32 PM  

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.


He's probably batting 100% with at least one long clip per show going viral. I think he'll be OK. Wish the show was am hour long but once a week format suits him.

For now I guess, got a goddamn Comcast warning cause I torrented an episode. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY HBO*.

* without requiring me to give a dime more to Comcast then I have to!**
**goddamm monopoly around here
 
2014-06-09 11:18:56 PM  

Khellendros: ghare: Khellendros: Because if everyone goes your way, there are no more shows.

Are you telling me that HBO is getting ready to go out of business?

No, I'm saying that everyone can't do that and have the art survive.  If they did, there would be no shows.  Neither you, nor any other asshole who pirates the show is special.  Their choice to cheat the system isn't "ok" because others are footing the bill.  If it's not a right choice ethically for everyone, then it's not ok for him because he feels entitled to check it out and not pay just because.

Pay your bit into the pool.  Whether that's pulling it through legitimate online channels and paying your couple of dollars, or watching the commercials they throw up there.  Whatever it is that they make their revenue from.  It's no prohibitive to get most shows today.  Same for music.  Pay your part and enjoy.


I'm completely fine with paying per episode, or a subscription to this show, or watching commercials. But I have exactly 0 of those options right now so to get HBO on Comcast for essentially 1 show I'd be paying $25 an episode, assuming no reruns.
 
2014-06-09 11:21:51 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I'm completely fine with paying per episode, or a subscription to this show, or watching commercials. But I have exactly 0 of those options right now so to get HBO on Comcast for essentially 1 show I'd be paying $25 an episode, assuming no reruns.


So your issue is you have to have them NOW.  Because there will be lots of options to view them soon, as there always is.
 
2014-06-09 11:27:00 PM  

weddingsinger: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Have you ever had a job where you felt your boss wasn't paying you enough for your level of work?
Ever worked for yourself and had a client try to not pay all they owed?
Ever waiting tables, worked your ass off for one, and they stiff you on the tip, or worse, the whole bill?

Pirating is a selfish act.  It denies compensation to those who create something.  True to any selfish act, if too many people also participate, the burden gets unfairly put upon those who do pay, who now have to pay a larger share,  until the entire system collapses.

Of course, the common put back to that is, I'd pay if they made something worth paying for, which is total bullshiat.  If it's worth pirating/watching/playing, then it's obviously worth paying for, since you felt it was valuable enough to go get.  You are entertained by something, thus it has value, and you should pay for it.  The same way you expect others to pay for the things you create.


I donate to The Bugle so my money was going to Oliver anyway. I also donated to NPR during the BBC world report so I could give them some money in a round about way for using IP Shield to watch the Olympic opening ceremonies in full. In both cases I really didn't have a decent alternative (buying premium cable on top of normal I don't need, want, or have budgeted; NBC suuuucks and skipped the most poignant part of the ceremony because they know what I want apparently).

Again, HBO: take my damn money in a reasonable fashion already.
 
2014-06-09 11:29:55 PM  

Khellendros: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I'm completely fine with paying per episode, or a subscription to this show, or watching commercials. But I have exactly 0 of those options right now so to get HBO on Comcast for essentially 1 show I'd be paying $25 an episode, assuming no reruns.

So your issue is you have to have them NOW.  Because there will be lots of options to view them soon, as there always is.


It's a current events show. Waiting for the DVD seems kind of like missing the point. Note I didn't mention torrenting Game of Thrones.
 
2014-06-10 12:39:51 AM  

nmrsnr: some_beer_drinker: nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.

do you not understand how the internet works?

I gave up pirating a long time ago. Too much effort, too many viruses, and I don't have to try and not feel guilty through crappy justifications.


We good, but still to fully deploy our mp4 mvk virus solutions, how did you even know we was working on it ?
 
2014-06-10 05:22:22 AM  
Well, this thread went all kinds of weird.

These shows seem quite educational.  Last time we had a thread like this, I had trouble getting the sound to work at home with the online video, but I found and watched the last few shows via HBO On Demand, something I usually don't even bother to look at.
 
2014-06-10 05:44:33 AM  

The Numbers: Jesus Farking Christ: I was in France for 98, and was in Lyon for the Scotland game (I think they were in St. Etienne).  I honestly don't remember a lot over that couple of days.  I remember my local took out the glass and brought in plastic cups (wise move in retrospect).  I do know I was so drunk that I felt it for days afterward, even without alcohol.  I did vomit, profusely, and was encouraged to keep drinking.  I remember getting blown by a Scottish brunette named Wanda while smoking a cigar.  I say "remember" but truth is I don't--there is photographic evidence, because she did it in the back pool room.  I have no idea if I came.  And probably most importantly, I remember one song we sang over and over.

"There's only one Wayne Rooney.
There's only one Wayne Rooney.
With a packet of sweets and a cheeky smile,
Rooney is a farking pedophile."

I found out later the next week, I made an international phone call home to my parents in Florida, and the entire bar sang that song.

On a more humbling note, I have to admit that after watching that video...Jesus, I feel farking educated about FIFA.  I mean, I knew Qatar bribed the fark out of them, anyone with half a brain could figure that out.  But the rest...just farking wow.

CSB, but I'm gonna call BS. Wayne Rooney would have been about 13 in 1998 and heard of by precisely no-one at the time, least of all a bar of drunken Scots. I suggest revising your story with a more appropriate choice of English footballer.


Wayne Rooney I chose out of a hat. I have no idea who we were singing about. But thanks for trying to piss on a memory.
 
2014-06-10 07:51:13 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: You don't get to choose which laws you do and don't obey based on moral objectives to how various businesses operate


Yeah you do.

You can choose not to obey any laws you want for any reason.

Now you may think he reasons are garbage, but he still has that choice.
 
2014-06-10 08:25:40 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: insertsnarkyusername: They didn't steal from you, they found your work not worth the money you were charging or they weren't sure and wanted to check it out.

YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT. How do you know which percentage of them would have paid had there been no other option? You don't. That film has sold something like 200,000 DVDs, so yes, people found it worth paying for. You're just desperately spinning to justify your own immoral and illegal behavior.


What do you make per sale?  more than $1?
 
2014-06-10 09:54:56 AM  

Penman: Good for you on those sales numbers. I'm not saying that everybody found it not worth paying for, I'm saying maybe those that pirated it did. You are the one that seems rather desperate here. I don't find anything immoral with what I'm doing and the illegal part is not a deterrent when the law behind it is basically unenforceable.

As a record store owner, my business faces ruin. CD sales have dropped through the floor. People aren't buying half as many CDs as they did just a year ago. Revenue is down and costs are up. My store has survived for years, but I now face the prospect of bankruptcy. Every day I ask myself why this is happening.

I bought the store about 12 years ago. It was one of those boutique record stores that sell obscure, independent releases that no-one listens to, not even the people that buy them. I decided that to grow the business I'd need to aim for a different demographic, the family market. My store specialised in family music - stuff that the whole family could listen to. I don't sell sick stuff like Marilyn Manson or cop-killer rap, and I'm proud to have one of the most extensive Christian rock sections that I know of.

The business strategy worked. People flocked to my store, knowing that they (and their children) could safely purchase records without profanity or violent lyrics. Over the years I expanded the business and took on more clean-cut and friendly employees. It took hard work and long hours but I had achieved my dream - owning a profitable business that I had built with my own hands, from the ground up. But now, this dream is turning into a nightmare.

Every day, fewer and fewer customers enter my store to buy fewer and fewer CDs. Why is no one buying CDs? Are people not interested in music? Do people prefer to watch TV, see films, read books? I don't know. But there is one, inescapable truth - Internet piracy is mostly to blame. The statistics speak for themselves - one in three discs world wide is a pirate. On The Internet, yo ...


You want this scheme to be as successful as the "war on drugs?"
 
2014-06-10 12:46:11 PM  
I pirate proudly.

I found tons of good music that way.  And when those bands/artists come within range for a show, I generally buy every CD they have at the merch table.

CSB:
   The Toasters played a show at my local bar (max capacity ~200 people).  I helped out with security and after the show, Bucket (the lead singer/guitar/only founding member left) was at the merch table where CD's were $10ea, 2 for $15, 4 for $20. I said "Give me 1 of every CD you have" and handed him $100.  He only had 6 different ones and said he'd give them to me for $30.  I said keep it, cause I have 14 of your albums at home that I downloaded.  I just wanted to make sure you got the money and not some distributor or label.  He was floored that anyone who pirated would do that when I already had the music. (The CDs are in a box in my attic somewhere, still unopened)
   I've done the same thing with Less Than Jake, Reel Big Fish, Bigger Thomas and others.  I use piracy to discover acts.  If I find a movie I like, i go buy it.  If it's a giant turd of masturbatory references and marketing crap (looking at you Uwe Boll and Michael Bay), then fark em.

  The 3 biggest points I'll make and hope that content creators take from this is:
   1. If people aren't paying what you want for your product, then your product isn't priced well.
   2. The media industry (read: music, movies, magazines, newspapers, etc...) is the only industry I can think of that requires you to pay for the product before you can try it.  If I go to any store, even WalMart, and ask about a product, they'll open it up and let me look at it, try it out.  I can test drive cars.  I can try a new phone from Verizon in the store.  I can try on clothes.  I can read a chapter of a book at Barnes & Nobel.  Even if I buy too much or the wrong type of item, I can return it.  Lowe's lets me return landscaping items if I decide I don't like how it looks in my front yard.  Hell, I can even send food back at a restaurant or fast-food joint if I don't like it or it's not as good as advertised, but media demands that I pay in full before I can experience it then screams persecution if I try to actually see if it is something I would like and enjoy first.
   3. I don't want to put content creators out of business, but instead, ensure that the ones that produce quality items that entertain me get paid so that they can continue to create quality items in the future that I will enjoy.  I do not want to re-enforce content creators (or distribution/rights management firms) that I don't get entertainment from just because I can't decide if the content in question is worth buying until after I purchased it.

Also, John Oliver is hilarious.  I've only seen the clips of his show on Fark because I can't get HBO where I'm at (no cable and not paying for Satellite+HBO for 1 show)

/there might be a 4th point of "you like shiatty music" but at least it's not Bieber
 
2014-06-10 01:53:38 PM  

abmoraz: The 3 biggest points I'll make and hope that content creators take from this is:
1. If people aren't paying what you want for your product, then your product isn't priced well.
2. The media industry (read: music, movies, magazines, newspapers, etc...) is the only industry I can think of that requires you to pay for the product before you can try it. If I go to any store, even WalMart, and ask about a product, they'll open it up and let me look at it, try it out. I can test drive cars. I can try a new phone from Verizon in the store. I can try on clothes.

abmoraz: 3. I don't want to put content creators out of business, but instead, ensure that the ones that produce quality items that entertain me get paid so that they can continue to create quality items in the future that I will enjoy.


You've really diluted yourself, haven't you?

Your number 1 completely ignores the basic idea of a market.  I don't play money for a Ferrari, that doesn't mean they've priced it incorrectly.  It means that the combination of my desire and their price puts me out of their market.   Sure, I want one.  Sure I wish I had one, but they're still not priced incorrectly because I can't buy it.  Music/movies, etc are entertainment.  Not necessities.  They work like luxury items.  You don't have a right to posses it at the price you demand.

And your number 2 ignores reality.  Bands put out sample tracks and parts of their music to open sources all of the time.  Free tracks to download, videos with the music on youtube, released on terrestrial and satellite radio.  All reachable by the vast proportion of society.  Even (and especially) smaller bands.  You can see trailers of movies, you can get samples or free issues of any magazine or newspaper you want.  Free for several week or months.  All of them.  After a few issues, they want you to pay, or they stop delivering.

Your number 3 isn't your farking call.  That's how a free market works.  You pay for the things you want, and if you're not willing to pay for them, you don't get them.  If others are willing to pay, that's their audience.  You don't have the right to own it at your price.  If you think Band A is only worth a dollar, because they are low quality, you're not their audience.  Don't pay, and either they'll change to get a wider audience (Goo Goo Dolls style), or they'll stay small and deal with lower profits from their fans that are willing to pay their price.

The excuse to pirate music went away when music services started offering songs for $1, and albums for $10.  With a few exceptions.

Your arguments are all lies.  Completely and utterly.  They're flimsy excuses to justify getting something for free. Sack up and admit it.
 
2014-06-10 03:41:57 PM  

Khellendros: abmoraz: The 3 biggest points I'll make and hope that content creators take from this is:
1. If people aren't paying what you want for your product, then your product isn't priced well.
2. The media industry (read: music, movies, magazines, newspapers, etc...) is the only industry I can think of that requires you to pay for the product before you can try it. If I go to any store, even WalMart, and ask about a product, they'll open it up and let me look at it, try it out. I can test drive cars. I can try a new phone from Verizon in the store. I can try on clothes.
abmoraz: 3. I don't want to put content creators out of business, but instead, ensure that the ones that produce quality items that entertain me get paid so that they can continue to create quality items in the future that I will enjoy.

You've really diluted yourself, haven't you?

Your number 1 completely ignores the basic idea of a market.  I don't play money for a Ferrari, that doesn't mean they've priced it incorrectly.  It means that the combination of my desire and their price puts me out of their market.   Sure, I want one.  Sure I wish I had one, but they're still not priced incorrectly because I can't buy it.  Music/movies, etc are entertainment.  Not necessities.  They work like luxury items.  You don't have a right to posses it at the price you demand.

And your number 2 ignores reality.  Bands put out sample tracks and parts of their music to open sources all of the time.  Free tracks to download, videos with the music on youtube, released on terrestrial and satellite radio.  All reachable by the vast proportion of society.  Even (and especially) smaller bands.  You can see trailers of movies, you can get samples or free issues of any magazine or newspaper you want.  Free for several week or months.  All of them.  After a few issues, they want you to pay, or they stop delivering.

Your number 3 isn't your farking call.  That's how a free market works.  You pay for the things you want, and if yo ...


Your response to #1 completely ignores the follow-up point I made in #2.  I *CAN* test-drive a Ferrari and see if it is worth the value at the price point set by the dealer/manufacturer.  I *CANT* do that with a movie, music, show, etc...  So, as vehement as you want your argument to be, it's full of holes.

Your response to #2: is exactly what I do.  Pirating ranges from Torrents (which you seem fixated on) to using plugins to save those youtube videos (of which, the VAST majority are not put up by the artists themselves, and are, in fact, copyright infringement on their own).  As for trailors, they USED to be a good indicator of a movie, but have become a bastardized item of their own.  They are no longer a good indication of how good or bad a movie is going to be, but instead, of how much marketing the studio can stuff into the 30sec to 3min spot.  You want a compromise?  Sure, I'd propose instead of trailers, allow anyone to watch the first 3rd of a movie for free.  If they want to watch the rest, pay full price.  If not, walk away.  Not ideal, but at least it's the start of a talking point towards a solution.

Your response to #3 is almost laughable.  Of course it is my call.  It is my money.  I have every right to spend it as I see fit and use it towards businesses and causes I want to see succeed.  Your counter-argument reduces to an agrument absurdum of "Sorry Mr. Hog farmer, but you have to give money to 'Vegan's Now' and their "Anti-Bacon Campaign" because it's not your choice where you spend your money."

Your entire post is nothing but vitriol and emotion with next to no coherent points.  Your previous posts up-thread were "pay your bits into the pool" and I spelled out exactly how I did and do accomplish that.  You know what I do with the artists and movies I get that I don't like?  I delete them.  I don't reshare them.  I don't give them money.  I move along.  i sampled the work, decided it's not entertaining to me, and go find something else.  I may be in the minority of people who do pirate and do actually pay for media from it, but you will not make me feel bad about it.  I get the warm fuzzy of knowing that my money is going to and supporting artists that make products that entertain me.  That I can put my money where it can provide the best returns for all involved, and, as a side effect, it's not going to fund stuff I have, at best, no interest in and at worst, negative interest in.
 
2014-06-10 03:50:24 PM  

abmoraz: Khellendros: abmoraz: The 3 biggest points I'll make and hope that content creators take from this is:
1. If people aren't paying what you want for your product, then your product isn't priced well.
2. The media industry (read: music, movies, magazines, newspapers, etc...) is the only industry I can think of that requires you to pay for the product before you can try it. If I go to any store, even WalMart, and ask about a product, they'll open it up and let me look at it, try it out. I can test drive cars. I can try a new phone from Verizon in the store. I can try on clothes.
abmoraz: 3. I don't want to put content creators out of business, but instead, ensure that the ones that produce quality items that entertain me get paid so that they can continue to create quality items in the future that I will enjoy.

You've really diluted yourself, haven't you?

Your number 1 completely ignores the basic idea of a market.  I don't play money for a Ferrari, that doesn't mean they've priced it incorrectly.  It means that the combination of my desire and their price puts me out of their market.   Sure, I want one.  Sure I wish I had one, but they're still not priced incorrectly because I can't buy it.  Music/movies, etc are entertainment.  Not necessities.  They work like luxury items.  You don't have a right to posses it at the price you demand.

And your number 2 ignores reality.  Bands put out sample tracks and parts of their music to open sources all of the time.  Free tracks to download, videos with the music on youtube, released on terrestrial and satellite radio.  All reachable by the vast proportion of society.  Even (and especially) smaller bands.  You can see trailers of movies, you can get samples or free issues of any magazine or newspaper you want.  Free for several week or months.  All of them.  After a few issues, they want you to pay, or they stop delivering.

Your number 3 isn't your farking call.  That's how a free market works.  You pay for the things you wa ...


In addition, the whole media market reeks of the same racket as those wind shield washers in the city.  They come out, run a squeegee over your windshield, then demand money for their service, whether or not they did a good job.  If you don't pay, they smash your window.

"Hey!  You listened to our song!  You owe us money!"
"But the song sucks and I deleted it."
"SUE!!!!"
 
2014-06-10 04:23:31 PM  

abmoraz: I *CANT* do that with a movie, music, show, etc... So, as vehement as you want your argument to be, it's full of holes.


Your entire dancing justification aside, this is the core of your argument, and it's a lie.  You can sample a newspaper (weeks at a time), a magazine (months at a time), music from just about any artist online, on the radio, or in free released tracks, see a few minutes of a movie in trailers or behind the scenes previews, read reviews, on and on and on.  With the exception of a stage play, all media gives you ample opportunity to sample without any payment.  You don't get to watch an entire concert, and decide if you want to pay the ticket price.  You don't get to watch a movie, then afterward decide if you were entertained enough to pay for the privilege.

You started off your post with

"The media industry (read: music, movies, magazines, newspapers, etc...) is the only industry I can think of that requires you to pay for the product before you can try it."

And it's a lie.  You have access to just about anything you want through open channels, and you chose instead to steal copyright material and choose whether or not to keep it.  You're the primary reason we have to deal with insane levels of DRM and other bullshiat in media.  They're just not starting to open up to modern methods of distribution, and your entitled mentality turns it into an arms race.

You don't want to feel bad about it?  Fine, your call.  You're still a thieving asshole.  Enjoy.
 
2014-06-10 04:26:08 PM  

abmoraz: In addition, the whole media market reeks of the same racket as those wind shield washers in the city. They come out, run a squeegee over your windshield, then demand money for their service, whether or not they did a good job. If you don't pay, they smash your window.

"Hey! You listened to our song! You owe us money!"
"But the song sucks and I deleted it."
"SUE!!!!"


Really?  When you turn on your radio, or hear something walking through a store, they make you pay?  Really?  They're making you listen to their products then charging you?

No, you want the ability to watch a movie and then decide if you liked it.  You want to enjoy a CD, and then decide if you will bless the artist with your money after he entertained you.  Fark off.

You want to hear an artist?  Go online and pull their free tracks, watch their music video, or sample through any of the dozens of available channels.  That's what they're there for.
 
2014-06-10 05:25:26 PM  

Khellendros: No, you want the ability to watch a movie and then decide if you liked it. You want to enjoy a CD, and then decide if you will bless the artist with your money after he entertained you. Fark off.


Yes, that is exactly what I want to do, and I do it.  But your statement is not accurate.  Let me fix it for you:

Khellendros: No, you want the ability to watch a movie and then decide if you liked it. You want to enjoy a CD, and then decide if you will bless the artist with your money after IF he entertained you. Fark off.


If he entertains me, then yes, I feel I owe him compensation.  I make sure that my money goes to artists that are good, provide good products/service that are entertaining to me, and I reward them with it so that, hopefully, they continue to put out entertaining product.  What I don't do is give money to artists that float by on a single act with a ton of filler, are pushed by major marketing but the final product is horseshiat, or aren't entertaining to me.  If I go to a show advertised as a family musical and they spend 2 hours farting on stage and making sex jokes, then yeah, I'm not gonna want to give them money.  If I'm promised a thrilling tale, and it turns out to be a phone book listing, again, not gonna feel inclined to wanna part with my money for that.  At what point did we start rewarding people for just doing anything, rather than doing something well?

What you seem to want is for us to guess if a total product is going to be entertaining and worth the money based on small snippets.  My answer to that: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Lost Skull.  The trailers were amazing for it, and the movie was worse than "Manos: Hands of Fate" or "This Planet Earth".  It was so bad that South Park even lampooned it as 120 minutes of Indy being raped and showed how impossible it is to get your time and money back from something like that.

You know what I did?  Downloaded it, watched the first 15 minutes, said "Wholly shiat, this is more awful than watching S-SPAN", turned it off, deleted the file, and moved on with my life."

Let's compare that with "She's Out Of My League", a Rom-Com that usually wouldn't appeal to me based on the trailer.  I downloaded that, watched the first 15 minutes, said "This isn't that bad" and watched the rest.  I liked it, so I bought the DVD.  Never opened it, but I have it.

These are just 2 examples of MANY. Things I thought I would like, and didnt (Inception, Avatar, Grown Ups) and things I didn't think I'd like, but ended up liking (R.I.P.D., The Hulk, Date Night)

What I've done is rewarded the movie makers that make things I want to watch and do so with some effort and quality.  They get my $10/15/50 or whatever it's price is.  Some I've bought the DVD.  Some I've gone out and seen in the theatre again.  Either way, they get paid.  They (hopefully) will make more movies like that appeal to me.  What I didn't do, is fork over hard earned cash to Spielberg and Lucas for phoning it in and trying to capitalize on their names and the names of their franchise and forgoing any real attempt at entertainment for a few sparkly special effects.  They, in turn, will either decide "it's not worth our while to churn out utter shiat like this again" and stop OR put more effort into it and make something that might earn a dollar (and have some dignity).

Entertainment is a service.  And like any other service, if the service is bad, I'm not paying for it.  I'm not paying a barber who farks up my hair cut.  I'm not paying a maid service who doesn't get my house clean.  I'm not paying a landscaper that kills all my shrubs.  I'm not paying for a chef who can't cook.  I'm not paying a babysitter that doesn't watch the kids.  And I'm not paying for entertainment that doesn't entertain me.
 
2014-06-10 05:47:43 PM  

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.


Having your own show on HBO likely pays a lot better than being one of several correspondents on The Daily Show. Stewart reportedly recommended Oliver for the show.
 
2014-06-10 05:50:26 PM  

markb289: RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.

Having your own show on HBO likely pays a lot better than being one of several correspondents on The Daily Show. Stewart reportedly recommended Oliver for the show.


It's probably me, since I haven't gotten HBO in years and I have no idea of how "big" HBO is anymore.
 
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