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(Uproxx)   This week in "Getting Smarter and Better at Cocktail Parties with John Oliver," Mr. Oliver takes FIFA to the woodshed just in time for The World Cup. Complete with Two Girls One Cup metaphor, of course   (uproxx.com) divider line 120
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2014-06-09 03:30:17 PM
[PLUG] tag misspelled.

how much is Mr Oliver paying you guys?
 
2014-06-09 03:40:18 PM
More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.
 
2014-06-09 04:46:46 PM
FIFA... Isn't that what you'd name a female French poodle?
 
2014-06-09 04:58:44 PM
"Bribery and FIFA go together like peanut butter and jelly"
 
2014-06-09 05:02:08 PM
Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.
 
2014-06-09 05:05:16 PM
World Cup story apropos of nothing:

In the 90's when the World Cup came to Orlando, the Irish were having quite the time of it. One night at a downtown bar, when "last call" was announced, the Irish decided they weren't done partying yet. They forcibly ejected all the employees, taking their keys and locking the doors as they and everyone else inside went gangbusters.

The manager called the cops, who took one look and said "nope". They advised the manager to let them drink themselves silly until they were done, and submit a claim to the insurance company for damages the next day.

As it turns out though, the manager came in the next day with a spare set of keys to find the place immaculate. Everything was properly cleaned, mopped and wiped down, and the cash register was practically bursting with cash. Turns out they'd collected full price for every drink, got rid of any violent troublemakers, and cleaned up afterward. They even left a note of apology and thanks.

/CSB
 
2014-06-09 05:05:31 PM

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.


He gets his own show that is 100% his voice, and he gets to swear. I think it's great.
 
2014-06-09 05:06:27 PM
"That's huge for Jesus."

Awesome
 
2014-06-09 05:06:31 PM

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.


You have to wonder.....

If Colbert leaving had been announced first, you figure Oliver would've been offered Colbert's spot. Then, if the HBO offer came, would he have taken it?
 
2014-06-09 05:06:52 PM
 
2014-06-09 05:07:14 PM

nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.


do you not understand how the internet works?
 
2014-06-09 05:07:16 PM

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.


i'm guessing that all of a small pie is sometimes better than a tiny slice of a big pie.

/ the composer for a bunch of ingmar bergman films was asked why he didn't write for the symphony, and he said, why leave this small pond where I am the biggest fish, to be some small fish somewhere else?  not exactly applicable, but applicable enough.  for my low standards anyways.
 
2014-06-09 05:08:11 PM

SlothB77: [PLUG] tag misspelled.

how much is Mr Oliver paying you guys?


Less than Walking Dead, but more than Cosmos.
 
2014-06-09 05:08:38 PM

buckler: /CSB


I was in Paris for the start of the '98 World Cup. The first match was Scotland vs. Brazil. I remember all of the Brazilians were parading down the streets with banners and various musical instruments, and the Scots were all in the bars.
 
2014-06-09 05:12:32 PM

kidgenius: If Colbert leaving had been announced first, you figure Oliver would've been offered Colbert's spot. Then, if the HBO offer came, would he have taken it?


I think Oliver is great, but I don't think he could(or would want to) take over Colbert's conservative pundit schtick.
 
2014-06-09 05:14:03 PM

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.


There have been some key differences so far though. Like Oliver will do a full 10-15 minutes on one subject, a lot more focus on international news,  and he gets to criticize big corporations since the show isn't paid for with ad dollars.
 
2014-06-09 05:14:50 PM

nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.


It rhymes with "Irate Ray". I'd subscribe to HBO go if they offered it but they won't. Since I don't get cable HBO has sort of priced themselves out of the game. I'm not paying comcast 50 bucks a month plus whatever HBO costs so I can watch an hour and a half of programing a week.
 
2014-06-09 05:16:08 PM

some_beer_drinker: nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.

do you not understand how the internet works?


I gave up pirating a long time ago. Too much effort, too many viruses, and I don't have to try and not feel guilty through crappy justifications.
 
2014-06-09 05:16:42 PM

browntimmy: RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

There have been some key differences so far though. Like Oliver will do a full 10-15 minutes on one subject, a lot more focus on international news,  and he gets to criticize big corporations since the show isn't paid for with ad dollars.


So much this. Oliver has pulled no punches against GM and Comcast. It's refreshing to see unadulterated muckraking journalism for once.
 
2014-06-09 05:18:12 PM

browntimmy: RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

There have been some key differences so far though. Like Oliver will do a full 10-15 minutes on one subject, a lot more focus on international news,  and he gets to criticize big corporations since the show isn't paid for with ad dollars.


I see that. I guess my disappointment is that the two shows are so similar in format and tone, so I don't see this as a lot of growth for Oliver, or for us.

Don't ask me what I wanted, but I was just hoping for something different.
 
2014-06-09 05:19:41 PM

nmrsnr: some_beer_drinker: nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.

do you not understand how the internet works?

I gave up pirating a long time ago. Too much effort, too many viruses, and I don't have to try and not feel guilty through crappy justifications.


I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.
 
2014-06-09 05:19:58 PM

beer4breakfast: kidgenius: If Colbert leaving had been announced first, you figure Oliver would've been offered Colbert's spot. Then, if the HBO offer came, would he have taken it?

I think Oliver is great, but I don't think he could(or would want to) take over Colbert's conservative pundit schtick.


Why would he take over the schtick?  We're just talking about the spot.  Do you think Larry Wilmore is going to do the conservative derp character when he takes over the spot?
 
2014-06-09 05:19:59 PM
I have to say... Every time I see something by John Oliver.... I learn something...
 
2014-06-09 05:20:08 PM

beer4breakfast: kidgenius: If Colbert leaving had been announced first, you figure Oliver would've been offered Colbert's spot. Then, if the HBO offer came, would he have taken it?

I think Oliver is great, but I don't think he could(or would want to) take over Colbert's conservative pundit schtick.


He met his wife at a GOP convention. Dunno how well that'd end.
 
2014-06-09 05:20:44 PM

insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.


Same reason people feel guilty for shoplifting.
 
2014-06-09 05:21:54 PM

nmrsnr: some_beer_drinker: nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.

do you not understand how the internet works?

I gave up pirating a long time ago. Too much effort, too many viruses, and I don't have to try and not feel guilty through crappy justifications.


eztv.it

never had a virus.
 
2014-06-09 05:22:43 PM
in fact, i am watching it now.
 
2014-06-09 05:23:31 PM

insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.


Because if you're being entertained by the show, you should probably be compensating the creators and talent somehow?  I'm not saying you should be required to have cable and support that structure, but you should at least be throwing a bit into the pot per episode, or watching commercials.  Something.

Because if everyone goes your way, there are no more shows.
 
2014-06-09 05:24:53 PM

shower_in_my_socks: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Same reason people feel guilty for shoplifting.


Those aren't even remotely the same thing. If I shoplift say a 6 pack of beer that's one thing it's lost inventory that the store is out money on. If I could sit at home and magically make a copy of that 6 pack appear in front of me nothing is lost and nobody has been harmed.
 
2014-06-09 05:30:25 PM

insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.


Because the people who made the content didn't do it out of the goodness of their heart, they did it to make money, if I want to enjoy their service, I should pay something. If you don't, that either means you are disincentivizing the creation of more content that you like, or you are inflating the cost for other people to pay for your share.

I never understood why people don't feel any guilt over pirating.
 
2014-06-09 05:31:14 PM

nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.


Why?  When you can just watch it the next day on Fark for free?
 
2014-06-09 05:32:03 PM

insertsnarkyusername: shower_in_my_socks: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Same reason people feel guilty for shoplifting.

Those aren't even remotely the same thing. If I shoplift say a 6 pack of beer that's one thing it's lost inventory that the store is out money on. If I could sit at home and magically make a copy of that 6 pack appear in front of me nothing is lost and nobody has been harmed.


That is absolute bullshiat. I'm an independent filmmaker with four documentaries in distribution. The first film that I made was self-distributed for the first few months before we found a distributor. I put it out on Amazon myself. Within days, it was already ripped and on the torrent sites. I found message boards where people were requesting a ripped version of it for them to download. It was RIGHT THERE on Amazon for them to buy - reasonably priced, and streaming, even, if they didn't want a disk. But why do that when they can just grab it for free? Those @ssholes STOLE MONEY FROM ME. Period. All of my films are self-funded. You're talking to a Farker who had money taken out of his pocket by this shiat, so don't try to defend it.
 
2014-06-09 05:32:30 PM

some_beer_drinker: nmrsnr: More than Game of Thrones, this is tempting me to get an HBO subscription.

do you not understand how the internet works?


Or, he could choose to subscribe to the service to show them how much he liked their content.
 
2014-06-09 05:34:45 PM

insertsnarkyusername: shower_in_my_socks: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Same reason people feel guilty for shoplifting.

Those aren't even remotely the same thing. If I shoplift say a 6 pack of beer that's one thing it's lost inventory that the store is out money on. If I could sit at home and magically make a copy of that 6 pack appear in front of me nothing is lost and nobody has been harmed.


it's not good enough that the beer is still in the store and people still buy it there. they want ALL the money.
 
2014-06-09 05:35:14 PM

nmrsnr: Because the people who made the content didn't do it out of the goodness of their heart


He thinks the only consideration is inventory. If it's not a disk on a shelf that cost a store money to buy wholesale, then there is no loss. He completely ignores 50% of the issue.
 
2014-06-09 05:37:01 PM

nmrsnr: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Because the people who made the content didn't do it out of the goodness of their heart, they did it to make money, if I want to enjoy their service, I should pay something. If you don't, that either means you are disincentivizing the creation of more content that you like, or you are inflating the cost for other people to pay for your share.

I never understood why people don't feel any guilt over pirating.


The way to combat piracy is to offer a better service for a reasonable price. Steam and GOG stopped all my video game pirating years ago by being easier, safer and reasonably priced. I subscribe to Netflix and Amazon prime and I'd subscribe to HBO Go if that was available to me. With HBO my options are to get cable and pay 60 bucks a month for a mostly useless service, not watch anything or pay 60 bucks for a season of game of thrones after it comes out. And you are right, they don't do this out of the goodness of their hearts and they are well compensated for their efforts so why should I give a shiat if they don't get a sale they weren't going to get anyway? It's a business that doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers. Why is it my responsibility to care about them?
 
2014-06-09 05:38:57 PM

insertsnarkyusername: why should I give a shiat if they don't get a sale they weren't going to get anyway?


Yeah, steal some DVDs from Walmart, and when they catch you, just tell them "Hey, I was never going to pay for this anyway." They'll totally understand. But I get it, "Greedy corporations! Blah blah blah."
 
2014-06-09 05:40:22 PM

shower_in_my_socks: insertsnarkyusername: shower_in_my_socks: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Same reason people feel guilty for shoplifting.

Those aren't even remotely the same thing. If I shoplift say a 6 pack of beer that's one thing it's lost inventory that the store is out money on. If I could sit at home and magically make a copy of that 6 pack appear in front of me nothing is lost and nobody has been harmed.

That is absolute bullshiat. I'm an independent filmmaker with four documentaries in distribution. The first film that I made was self-distributed for the first few months before we found a distributor. I put it out on Amazon myself. Within days, it was already ripped and on the torrent sites. I found message boards where people were requesting a ripped version of it for them to download. It was RIGHT THERE on Amazon for them to buy - reasonably priced, and streaming, even, if they didn't want a disk. But why do that when they can just grab it for free? Those @ssholes STOLE MONEY FROM ME. Period. All of my films are self-funded. You're talking to a Farker who had money taken out of his pocket by this shiat, so don't try to defend it.


They didn't steal from you, they found your work not worth the money you were charging or they weren't sure and wanted to check it out. Plus you are talking about a group of people who probably just download all of their entertainment from that site. You didn't lose sales, you gained viewers.
 
2014-06-09 05:40:36 PM

insertsnarkyusername: It's a business that doesn't give a shiat about it's consumers. Why is it my responsibility to care about them?


You don't get to choose which laws you do and don't obey based on moral objectives to how various businesses operate.
 
2014-06-09 05:42:51 PM

insertsnarkyusername: They didn't steal from you, they found your work not worth the money you were charging or they weren't sure and wanted to check it out.


YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT. How do you know which percentage of them would have paid had there been no other option? You don't. That film has sold something like 200,000 DVDs, so yes, people found it worth paying for. You're just desperately spinning to justify your own immoral and illegal behavior.
 
2014-06-09 05:43:54 PM

shower_in_my_socks: You don't get to choose which laws you do and don't obey based on moral objectives to how various businesses operate.


Like I said "crappy justifications." I used them myself, because saying "I'm stealing this because I don't want to pay for it, but I do still want to see it." makes you sound like a dick.
 
2014-06-09 05:46:30 PM
Oh, but I really didn't mean to threadjack, so back on point:

John Oliver is awesome. FIFA is comically villainous. And I'm excited for the World Cup.
 
2014-06-09 05:47:08 PM

pute kisses like a man: RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.

i'm guessing that all of a small pie is sometimes better than a tiny slice of a big pie.

/ the composer for a bunch of ingmar bergman films was asked why he didn't write for the symphony, and he said, why leave this small pond where I am the biggest fish, to be some small fish somewhere else?  not exactly applicable, but applicable enough.  for my low standards anyways.


All of that, plus Oliver seems to be doing all the stories that Stewart and Colbert don't, not that they won't touch them but just there are so many stories they can't cover them all.  He gets to cover topics that nobody else does, at least in this way, and say some things on the topic few others do.  Even if it's just a Daily Show knock-off (which I don't totally agree with) he isn't going over the same material.  He's providing new content, and rather insightful content at that.

Also, he really can do some things other shows just plain can't because he's on HBO.  Being on a premium channel means there is almost literally no topic he cannot cover, no boundary he can't cross save for ones of legality.  Even though it's a comedy news program, he has more journalistic freedom than almost any other source of news out there short of blogs, and many of those are notoriously lacking in the "journalistic integrity" category.

Bottom line: I think the reason why it stands apart is because there's a surprising amount of journalism mixed in with this comedy, and Oliver is taking full advantage of the platform he's been given.

nmrsnr: insertsnarkyusername: I've never understood why people feel guilty for pirating.

Because the people who made the content didn't do it out of the goodness of their heart, they did it to make money, if I want to enjoy their service, I should pay something. If you don't, that either means you are disincentivizing the creation of more content that you like, or you are inflating the cost for other people to pay for your share.

I never understood why people don't feel any guilt over pirating.


The short version is that many people do view it as a largely victimless crime, because in many cases they wouldn't (or couldn't) have paid for the content to begin with.  If there were only X copies of the show to go around and pirating it used up one of those copies, then people would probably hesitate more.  As it is, they're taking something that someone has a literally infinite supply of, so it's not stealing.  Which is, technically, true, but that doesn't make it actually victimless.

Alright, since most of us in this thread are probably familiar with HBO shows, think back to the very first episode of Deadwood.  Seth Bullock and Sol Star are setting up their hardware store, trying to sell wares.  As they're pitching their items to people some dude comes by with a bar of soap that he purchased from nearby, breaks it open and is "surprised" to find money inside, making a big show of it.  Seth of course gets wise to the scheme and tells the guy to beat it lest he break his head open.  In that example, HBO is Seth and Sol, and the pirates are that douchebag with the soap.  Yeah, sure, they aren't stealing goods directly, but what they're doing sure as hell isn't something you should feel good about.
 
2014-06-09 05:47:44 PM

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.


I don't know how long his show is, but it's refreshing to see these 13-minute exposes, while TDS seems to have to crunch everything into shorter segments, which makes them seem rushed and incomplete.
 
2014-06-09 05:50:46 PM

nmrsnr: shower_in_my_socks: You don't get to choose which laws you do and don't obey based on moral objectives to how various businesses operate.

Like I said "crappy justifications." I used them myself, because saying "I'm stealing this because I don't want to pay for it, but I do still want to see it." makes you sound like a dick.


Right. Like, I have more respect for the homeless guy whose sign says he just wants beer money. People should at least man up and cop to what they're doing rather than making lame excuses.
 
2014-06-09 05:51:59 PM

Nix Nightbird: FIFA... Isn't that what you'd name a female French poodle?


parley vous a humma humma?
 
2014-06-09 05:53:05 PM

lostcat: RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.

I don't know how long his show is, but it's refreshing to see these 13-minute exposes, while TDS seems to have to crunch everything into shorter segments, which makes them seem rushed and incomplete.


one of the freedoms of non commercial programming.
 
2014-06-09 05:53:26 PM

shower_in_my_socks: insertsnarkyusername: They didn't steal from you, they found your work not worth the money you were charging or they weren't sure and wanted to check it out.

YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT. How do you know which percentage of them would have paid had there been no other option? You don't. That film has sold something like 200,000 DVDs, so yes, people found it worth paying for. You're just desperately spinning to justify your own immoral and illegal behavior.


Good for you on those sales numbers. I'm not saying that everybody found it not worth paying for, I'm saying maybe those that pirated it did. You are the one that seems rather desperate here. I don't find anything immoral with what I'm doing and the illegal part is not a deterrent when the law behind it is basically unenforceable.
 
2014-06-09 05:54:30 PM

yukichigai: Bottom line: I think the reason why it stands apart is because there's a surprising amount of journalism mixed in with this comedy, and Oliver is taking full advantage of the platform he's been given.


yeah he doesn't have to worry about offending a sponsor.
 
2014-06-09 05:54:39 PM

RoyBatty: Not to knock John Oliver, who I really enjoy, I can't understand his leaving the Daily Show for this knockoff.

While the bits I've seen are good, I think the Daily Show is much better and offered him greater exposure if not the seat behind the desk. And I suspect his total viewership is way down.


He can say whatever he wants about anything. No sponsors or advertising partners to offend. That's why Bill maher loves hbo.
 
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