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2014-06-09 10:22:21 AM  

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"THIS IS MAH PASSPORT!"

 
2014-06-09 10:22:29 AM  

mrhollywoodgates: BunkyBrewman: That reminds me... how long does it take to get a passport nowadays?

CSB: 
I got a passport in a day about 9 years ago - discovered 3 days before my trip to Europe that my passport had just expired. I drove 6 hours to Chicago (where there's one of the few actual passport offices) overnight, waited outside until they opened, then was first in line to sign up. I had brought a picture from a 24-hour Walgreens and all my papers, etc. Once they had my paperwork, they said it'd be done in 6 hours, and it was! I had to pay like double the normal price, plus all that driving, but I did get to enjoy a nice day in Downtown Chicago by myself, and it just so happened to be the day when all the museums were free.


There's worse ways to spend a day. Chicago is a fun town.
 
2014-06-09 10:22:33 AM  

dittybopper: I also forgot to point out:  Until relatively recently, a US citizen didn't need a passport to travel to Canada.  Now, you do, or an "Enhanced Driver's License".


IIRC, the need for a passport to get to Canada is a post 911 thing. 

What the heck is an Enhanced Drivers License? Is that some kind of state department issued DL that you can get if you live in a border state so that you don't have to carry a passport around all the time?  I figure it gets to be a pain if you lived in, say Buffalo.
 
2014-06-09 10:24:03 AM  

wxboy: fireclown: . I can drive a car from the North of Canada to Buenos Aires

You'll need a ferry to get past the Darien Gap.


Touche.
 
2014-06-09 10:24:26 AM  
Driving in southern Arizona between Tucson and Tubac I had to pull out my passport for a highway checkpoint, miles away from the Mexican border.

I didn't have to use a passport (a driver's license would work, too) but I had it on me so I used it.
 
2014-06-09 10:25:17 AM  

Nabb1: BunkyBrewman: That reminds me... how long does it take to get a passport nowadays?

The last time I did it, which was almost ten years ago (I guess it's time to renew), the turnaround was about three to four weeks. If you could show a genuine need to expedite it and paid an extra fee, you could get it with a turnaround time of a few days.


Thanks.  No need for a rush, not leaving until January.
 
2014-06-09 10:25:23 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Tigger: This is a weird thing I hear people say a lot and it just isn't true. I travel for a living - primarily internationally but significantly within the USA. The similarities culturally between Soiux Falls, SD, New York City and the Appalachians are far greater than the difference between any one of those places and anywhere in Europe or Asia.

I've been to South Korea and Canada ( British Colombia ). Korea is like going to another planet, but Sydney, BC is almost like home, IMHO.

/ Pacific Northwest
// I feel more (culturally) at home with Canadians in BC than with Southerners here in the US...


I've been to Korea a ton. If it's any consolation it doesn't ever start to make much more sense than the first time.
 
2014-06-09 10:25:52 AM  

EvilEgg: The neat thing about America, is that you don't need to leave the country to find the climate of your choice for vacation.


Exactly this...

We have a bigger country than the many countries that make up Europe, and have diverse cultures and climates.
 
2014-06-09 10:26:33 AM  
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2014-06-09 10:26:37 AM  

Mr. Oizo: Driving in southern Arizona between Tucson and Tubac I had to pull out my passport for a highway checkpoint, miles away from the Mexican border.

I didn't have to use a passport (a driver's license would work, too) but I had it on me so I used it.


I've heard of impromptu checkpoints pretty far up into Gringolandia.  Was this at a checkpoint?  Are you latino?
 
2014-06-09 10:27:13 AM  
Holy shiat Europe, we get it..it sucks that a country like Italy is economically equivalent to 1 of our 50 states, California.  Get over it
 
2014-06-09 10:27:41 AM  

Nabb1: BunkyBrewman: That reminds me... how long does it take to get a passport nowadays?

The last time I did it, which was almost ten years ago (I guess it's time to renew), the turnaround was about three to four weeks. If you could show a genuine need to expedite it and paid an extra fee, you could get it with a turnaround time of a few days.


I just got one last year and it took about 3 or 4 weeks to get it. Maybe a little less. It was a lot faster than I was expecting.
 
2014-06-09 10:29:37 AM  
Good.  The kind of person who doesn't think to get a passport until 4 weeks before their already-booked flight is the kind of person who shouldn't be traveling abroad.
 
2014-06-09 10:31:41 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Holy shiat Europe, we get it..it sucks that a country like Italy is economically equivalent to 1 of our 50 states, California.  Get over it


their GDPs are similar  but Italy has 60MM people where Cali only has like 35 or so...
 
2014-06-09 10:31:56 AM  

spawn73: EvilEgg: The neat thing about America, is that you don't need to leave the country to find the climate of your choice for vacation.

What if you don't travel to experience climate change?

"Oh, wow, its like hotter than at home, how novel." not.



Well, some people also have a greater interest in geographical discovery.  Some people like visiting natural wonders and state parks.  Sometimes people just want to hang out on a sunny beach on the Pacific coast, ski in the Rockies, hike trails in the Ozarks, Mountain bike the slick rock in Moab, fish big game tuna off the coast of the Carolinas, or ride the river down the Grand Canyon.
 
2014-06-09 10:31:57 AM  

Another Government Employee: LineNoise: BunkyBrewman: That reminds me... how long does it take to get a passport nowadays?

I think they say up to 6 weeks if you do it the standard way, but everyone I know who has done it says it is way faster than that. Expedited will cost you a hundred bucks or so more, and i believe they say it will take 2 weeks.

However, if you live in\near NYC or a couple of other places and have proof of travel, you can go to the passport office in person with your stuff, and get one cut same day, in a couple of hours. Its honestly the most insanely efficient operation I have ever seen.

When I got my son's, it took about four weeks to get it. But that was in 2004.  Have no idea what the wait times are now.


I had to get a new passport a couple years ago. It took three weeks, no expediting. Last year we got our toddler a passport during one of the big government backlogs, so we had it expedited. Took about 2 weeks. And regarding same-day service at a passport office, check carefully. We have one here in San Francisco, but in order to take advantage of that service, you need to prove you'll be traveling within two weeks.
 
2014-06-09 10:32:31 AM  

wxboy: fireclown: . I can drive a car from the North of Canada to Buenos Aires

You'll need a ferry to get past the Darien Gap.


I worked for a marketing company here in colombia and our office was next a hostel and one morning there was a Pontiac sunfire with canadian plates in my spot.

Our guard was trying to get this fat canuck chick to move it and she could not understand him pointing and saying no.

I told her she needed to move one spot over and she cursed me out.

Evidently her and a friend had driven down here with the idea they would have a adventure with a handsome Latino not realizing that they ground chuck in a country of filet mignon.

They also realized they could not sell it because ain't no Pontiac here
 
2014-06-09 10:33:05 AM  

monoski: The Southern Logic Company: It took me three farking months to get my passport, I KNOW what a passport is thank you very much.

You may know what it is but 3 months means you were doing it wrong.


When I finally got my acceptance for working in China I had 4 months to get my passport, get my approval from the PRC to get a visa and then get my actual visa.  I applied the day after my acceptance and mailed it off.  About a month later I got a letter from the State Department (iirc) saying I needed further information before they could process my passport.  I had it checked out by a lawyer and the document was legitimate; I had to provide more personal details including the hospital name where I was born, my Father's employment when I was born and then I had to list every address I have ever lived at for more than a month.  Boy, that was fun since my dad was in the Navy until I entered High School and I had moved 16 times total.

The process of getting my passport nearly cost me my job.  After paying the cost to have it expedited, getting approval from China for entry and paying a shady Chinese Visa processing company nearly 500$ so I could get the sticker in my passport I was two weeks late and had to cancel classes.  White Knight a more deserving agency next time.
 
2014-06-09 10:33:18 AM  

Seraphym: State to state, no papers?


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Montana. And an RV. Like a whole 'nother country ..
 
2014-06-09 10:33:48 AM  

fireclown: Mr. Oizo: Driving in southern Arizona between Tucson and Tubac I had to pull out my passport for a highway checkpoint, miles away from the Mexican border.

I didn't have to use a passport (a driver's license would work, too) but I had it on me so I used it.

I've heard of impromptu checkpoints pretty far up into Gringolandia.  Was this at a checkpoint?  Are you latino?


Haven't you heard? The border patrol's authority extends 100 miles inland. I'm sure it's just coincidence that the area included contains the vast majority of the population.
 
2014-06-09 10:34:08 AM  
We know what a Passport is. It's a "truck" that no one wants to drive.

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Ant
2014-06-09 10:34:49 AM  

Tigger: I think most people would suggest that the benefits of travel are more in the 'experiencing diversity of culture' side of things than 'change of weather'.


Different regions of the US have different cultural practices. Go to Atlanta and then to Seattle, and tell me those aren't two different cultures.
 
2014-06-09 10:34:58 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: my voice is my passport, verify me


sneakersthemovie.com

/came here for this
 
2014-06-09 10:35:15 AM  

BunkyBrewman: That reminds me... how long does it take to get a passport nowadays?


If you go to your U.S. Represenative's office and tell them you're in a hurry they can get you a passport in 2 days. When I needed to renew my passport I gave it to them on a Friday afternoon and had it on Sunday.
 
2014-06-09 10:35:20 AM  
Why is everyone treating this like an either or question.

Travel around the US it is great. Tons to see tons to do.

Travel around the world. Tons to see tons to do.

The US has some diversity, but nothing like you will see going abroad.

You can travel to Puerto Rico without a passport, but it is much more Americanized than Mexico (once you get out of tourist areas).

First stamp in my passport was from Guam (on my way to Yap and Palau). The customs agent had to go find a stamp when I asked. Apparently not many Americans ask for stamps from a US territory.
 
2014-06-09 10:35:46 AM  
Old school Passport.  Not valid in Virginia or DC.


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2014-06-09 10:35:55 AM  

untaken_name: fireclown: Mr. Oizo: Driving in southern Arizona between Tucson and Tubac I had to pull out my passport for a highway checkpoint, miles away from the Mexican border.

I didn't have to use a passport (a driver's license would work, too) but I had it on me so I used it.

I've heard of impromptu checkpoints pretty far up into Gringolandia.  Was this at a checkpoint?  Are you latino?

Haven't you heard? The border patrol's authority extends 100 miles inland. I'm sure it's just coincidence that the area included contains the vast majority of the population.


We have a border patrol? someone needs fired
 
2014-06-09 10:38:00 AM  
I got mine renewed last year, only took two weeks.  I had a friend who got one for the first time last year, only took two weeks.  I do remember hearing about a big backlog a few years back here, though.
 
2014-06-09 10:39:11 AM  

fireclown: dittybopper: I also forgot to point out:  Until relatively recently, a US citizen didn't need a passport to travel to Canada.  Now, you do, or an "Enhanced Driver's License".

IIRC, the need for a passport to get to Canada is a post 911 thing. 

What the heck is an Enhanced Drivers License? Is that some kind of state department issued DL that you can get if you live in a border state so that you don't have to carry a passport around all the time?  I figure it gets to be a pain if you lived in, say Buffalo.


I'm guessing he's lives in a boarder state that offers them, like Michigan. I bought a "Passport Card", which has the size/look of a driver's license, costs much less than a passport, and can be used only for land travel between the US and Canada or Mexico (and apparently the Caribbean, so maybe that's for cruises?). I bought one when I applied for my passport because you never know when you want to go gambling in Windsor. I thought if anything, it would be a nice back-up form of identification should I lose my driver's license.
 
2014-06-09 10:39:18 AM  

Joe Blowme: untaken_name: fireclown: Mr. Oizo: Driving in southern Arizona between Tucson and Tubac I had to pull out my passport for a highway checkpoint, miles away from the Mexican border.

I didn't have to use a passport (a driver's license would work, too) but I had it on me so I used it.

I've heard of impromptu checkpoints pretty far up into Gringolandia.  Was this at a checkpoint?  Are you latino?

Haven't you heard? The border patrol's authority extends 100 miles inland. I'm sure it's just coincidence that the area included contains the vast majority of the population.

We have a border patrol? someone needs fired


Well, somebody's gotta give documentation-challenged pre-citizens rides into town. Also, who's going to man the checkpoints 80 miles inside the US if they're all on the actual border?
 
2014-06-09 10:40:08 AM  
I was rather astonished when my wife went to get a passport card last month; the USPS office was actually able to take her picture as part of the application process. In the past, you had to get your 'official' pictures taken somewhere else and bring them in with your application.
 
2014-06-09 10:40:57 AM  

Disaster Transport: fireclown: dittybopper: I also forgot to point out:  Until relatively recently, a US citizen didn't need a passport to travel to Canada.  Now, you do, or an "Enhanced Driver's License".

IIRC, the need for a passport to get to Canada is a post 911 thing. 

What the heck is an Enhanced Drivers License? Is that some kind of state department issued DL that you can get if you live in a border state so that you don't have to carry a passport around all the time?  I figure it gets to be a pain if you lived in, say Buffalo.

I'm guessing he's lives in a boarder state that offers them, like Michigan. I bought a "Passport Card", which has the size/look of a driver's license, costs much less than a passport, and can be used only for land travel between the US and Canada or Mexico (and apparently the Caribbean, so maybe that's for cruises?). I bought one when I applied for my passport because you never know when you want to go gambling in Windsor. I thought if anything, it would be a nice back-up form of identification should I lose my driver's license.


Border. Sorry need coffee...
 
2014-06-09 10:41:35 AM  

fireclown: spawn73: No, people in the Schengen area doesn't need a passport to travel to other countries within the Schengen area.

But I think you need a national ID.  Will any state ID (like a drivers licence) do the trick?


No, the ID has to establish your nationality. You can have a drivers licence without being a citizen, so that would not be good enough.

Some countries don't have ID cards, eg. Denmark, so Danes needs to bring their passport regardless.
 
2014-06-09 10:42:31 AM  

Ant: Tigger: I think most people would suggest that the benefits of travel are more in the 'experiencing diversity of culture' side of things than 'change of weather'.

Different regions of the US have different cultural practices. Go to Atlanta and then to Seattle, and tell me those aren't two different cultures.


No one is disagreeing with that.

I was disagreeing with the ridiculous notion that the variance of culture within the US is the same as between the US and the rest of the world which is laughably untrue.
 
2014-06-09 10:44:06 AM  
I'm on my third passport, so getting a kick, etc.

/American
//was in Europe last month
 
2014-06-09 10:45:09 AM  
My uncle had some friends from France come to the states a number of years ago. The one lady was an English teacher, and taught her students about the states. They arrived in New York, and set off on a 3 week driving tour of the states. The teacher really wanted to see California, and could not understand why it was too far away to fit it into the trip. That is, until it was explained to her that driving to California would be like driving to central Turkey from her home. Then she understood how small and wimpy Europe is, and how large and kick ass the US is.
 
2014-06-09 10:45:34 AM  

Tigger: I think most people would suggest that the benefits of travel are more in the 'experiencing diversity of culture' side of things than 'change of weather'.


This.
 
2014-06-09 10:45:43 AM  

Tigger: Ant: Tigger: I think most people would suggest that the benefits of travel are more in the 'experiencing diversity of culture' side of things than 'change of weather'.

Different regions of the US have different cultural practices. Go to Atlanta and then to Seattle, and tell me those aren't two different cultures.

No one is disagreeing with that.

I was disagreeing with the ridiculous notion that the variance of culture within the US is the same as between the US and the rest of the world which is laughably untrue.


I think the poster was saying that culture variation within the US is just as broad as the variation in Europe. I don't buy it.  The variation between Amsterdam and Milan are far greater than Houston and NYC for instance.
 
2014-06-09 10:47:55 AM  

fireclown: dittybopper: I also forgot to point out:  Until relatively recently, a US citizen didn't need a passport to travel to Canada.  Now, you do, or an "Enhanced Driver's License".

IIRC, the need for a passport to get to Canada is a post 911 thing. 

What the heck is an Enhanced Drivers License? Is that some kind of state department issued DL that you can get if you live in a border state so that you don't have to carry a passport around all the time?  I figure it gets to be a pain if you lived in, say Buffalo.


Yea, the passport needed for the carribean\mexico\canada thing is post 9/11. The US got all tough on people coming in without passports, so those countries in turn said, "fine, if you are making our people buy passports, we are doing the same to you"

The enhanced drivers license basically covers you for canada\mexico, and I believe tmost of the carribean if traveling by sea. Its a little cheaper than a passport, and is also your drivers license. so if you are say a trucker who heads into canada every other day, its just so you don't always have to make sure you have your passport on you. Its pretty common in border areas, where people might on a random night decide to pop over to canada or wherever without advanced planning.

That said, how strictly they enforce checking your passport at entry points varies, some aren't even manned along the canadian border at all times. If you do end up over there and get stopped coming back, it isn't like you have to start a new life in canada. As long as you look and act american, and have some other ID, the worst they will do is waste your time and yell at you a bit. If you look a little spanish and don't have a drivers license though, your experience may vary.
 
2014-06-09 10:49:38 AM  

wingnut396: Tigger: Ant: Tigger: I think most people would suggest that the benefits of travel are more in the 'experiencing diversity of culture' side of things than 'change of weather'.

Different regions of the US have different cultural practices. Go to Atlanta and then to Seattle, and tell me those aren't two different cultures.

No one is disagreeing with that.

I was disagreeing with the ridiculous notion that the variance of culture within the US is the same as between the US and the rest of the world which is laughably untrue.

I think the poster was saying that culture variation within the US is just as broad as the variation in Europe. I don't buy it.  The variation between Amsterdam and Milan are far greater than Houston and NYC for instance.


But the peculiar thing to me is how often I see that stated. I've never really understood what drives that. There's usually some sort of internal psychological value to being wrong for the individual who is wrong; however, in this case I don't know what it could be.
 
2014-06-09 10:51:48 AM  

wingnut396: The variation between Amsterdam and Milan are far greater than Houston and NYC for instance.


in Milan they throw bananas at black athletes like thiiiiis and in Amsterdam they throw them like thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis.
 
2014-06-09 10:52:36 AM  
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2014-06-09 10:52:51 AM  

mattberg: My uncle had some friends from France come to the states a number of years ago. The one lady was an English teacher, and taught her students about the states. They arrived in New York, and set off on a 3 week driving tour of the states. The teacher really wanted to see California, and could not understand why it was too far away to fit it into the trip. That is, until it was explained to her that driving to California would be like driving to central Turkey from her home. Then she understood how small and wimpy Europe is, and how large and kick ass the US is.


I get lots of European cyclists on my road during the summer (it's in the local tour books as being a picturesque cycling route) that ask me how far it is to the Rockies and it's happened enough that I looked it up so I can pretend I'm an informed citizen and tell them it's nearly 4000km. Sorry Dutch folks but you probably aren't squeezing it into your holiday.
 
2014-06-09 10:54:08 AM  
i live overseas and needed to renew mine months in advance so i could get a new residence permit.  took photos to the consular agency in my city, filled out a form, gave them the money and my old passport and 11 days later my new passport was delivered to me via UPS.  was VERY efficient.

/Turks could learn a few things from the USA about expediting things in an efficient manner
 
2014-06-09 10:56:55 AM  

Khellendros: U.S. culture is varied, but in a fairly narrow band when you compare us to South America


I'm not sure I could argue that South America contains more internal diversity than that between France and Germany.

It's basically the same people and the same issues, with your choice of rainforest or arid mountain.
 
2014-06-09 10:58:07 AM  

Tigger: wingnut396: Tigger: Ant: Tigger: I think most people would suggest that the benefits of travel are more in the 'experiencing diversity of culture' side of things than 'change of weather'.

Different regions of the US have different cultural practices. Go to Atlanta and then to Seattle, and tell me those aren't two different cultures.

No one is disagreeing with that.

I was disagreeing with the ridiculous notion that the variance of culture within the US is the same as between the US and the rest of the world which is laughably untrue.

I think the poster was saying that culture variation within the US is just as broad as the variation in Europe. I don't buy it.  The variation between Amsterdam and Milan are far greater than Houston and NYC for instance.

But the peculiar thing to me is how often I see that stated. I've never really understood what drives that. There's usually some sort of internal psychological value to being wrong for the individual who is wrong; however, in this case I don't know what it could be.


I think some people feel it is part of national pride. Our country is bigger, we are just as diverse, our natural wonders are as good. Don't think they like to talk about Russia or Canada which are both bigger.

The same people bragging about how diverse the US is are probably the ones who push the hardest for English to be declared the official national language.

/This is America we speak American.
 
2014-06-09 10:59:21 AM  
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Also asks what's a passport.
 
2014-06-09 11:00:45 AM  
I got a passport with the hopes of seeing the world.........................

..............I still haven't made it any further away (internationally) than Vancouver, BC.
 
2014-06-09 11:02:23 AM  

Disaster Transport: fireclown: dittybopper: I also forgot to point out:  Until relatively recently, a US citizen didn't need a passport to travel to Canada.  Now, you do, or an "Enhanced Driver's License".

IIRC, the need for a passport to get to Canada is a post 911 thing. 

What the heck is an Enhanced Drivers License? Is that some kind of state department issued DL that you can get if you live in a border state so that you don't have to carry a passport around all the time?  I figure it gets to be a pain if you lived in, say Buffalo.

I'm guessing he's lives in a boarder state that offers them, like Michigan. I bought a "Passport Card", which has the size/look of a driver's license, costs much less than a passport, and can be used only for land travel between the US and Canada or Mexico (and apparently the Caribbean, so maybe that's for cruises?). I bought one when I applied for my passport because you never know when you want to go gambling in Windsor. I thought if anything, it would be a nice back-up form of identification should I lose my driver's license.


We got passports cards when we last renewed our regular passports.  They are good for driving and cruising the Caribbean, but not for flying. I still carry them when going overseas, because if I lose my real passports, I likley will still have some for of official State Department issued ID.
 
2014-06-09 11:04:32 AM  

Rigby-Reardon: I think some people feel it is part of national pride. Our country is bigger, we are just as diverse, our natural wonders are as good. Don't think they like to talk about Russia or Canada which are both bigger.


Canada is larger, but less diverse. Russia is bigger and arguably has comparable diversity, but no one lives where most of the scenic occurs.

The comparable nation no one really talks about is China.
 
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