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2014-06-09 01:10:01 AM
Heh, I knew it had to be an indie league team (though to be fair, Atlantic League is probably the highest level indie league on the continent).

/misses the Newark Bears
//former season ticket holder
 
2014-06-09 03:52:41 AM
If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.
 
2014-06-09 04:27:07 AM
I'm betting he gets the team to do well in the under/over category.
 
2014-06-09 04:37:41 AM

Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.


That makes no sense. Also, if we're talking scumbags in baseball, he doesn't come close to the pants shiatter that is George Brett. That dude is a huge liar and a huge creeper.

/wife's BFF is a daughter of Frank White
//she's also a contracted MD specialist for the Royals and has contact with that douche
 
2014-06-09 04:38:33 AM

Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.


What if he loved baseball & gambling?
 
2014-06-09 05:56:28 AM

Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.


Never bet against his team...
 
2014-06-09 07:15:33 AM

JSam21: Never bet against his team...


(notthisshiatagain.jpg)

He bet more on some games, less on others, none at all on some games. That kind of info is golden to bookies - and betting zero is as good a sign as any of the confidence Rose had in his starter those nights. Usually (iirc) Rose didn't bet the games started by Mario Soto (whose arm Rose had ruined) and Bill Gullickson. I have no idea why Rose didn't care for Gullickson, but then Rose was the kind of manager who kept moving Nick Esasky all over the field so he could stat-pad himself into the lineup at first base, and who had Barry Larkin on the bench because Kurt Stillwell was gonna be just awesome.

From there comes the next question: was Rose saving his better relievers for the situations where he had more action on the game?

Gambling goes right to the credibility of the game more than PED's, spitballs and all the other forms of cheating. At least we know the cheaters are trying to win.

And then you have the issue of Rose's huge gambling debts. Rose was a horrible gambler. He actually took the Patriots in Super Bowl XX. When you're $200,000 in the hole to just one bookie and that bookie is mobbed up...that's going to be a big problem.
 
2014-06-09 07:20:57 AM
If memory serves me right, Pete Rose's son played for the Bluefish at some point.

CSB: I live near Lancaster and saw the Barnstormers win the Atlantic League over Bridgeport back in '06. Nice place to see a game.

Also worked in Bridgeport for several years and saw the Bluefish a few times too. Was able to take some good photos of the players.

/end CSB
 
2014-06-09 07:41:08 AM
Wow I can't believe he is 73.  Pete Rose and Mike Schmidt were my heros growing up.
 
2014-06-09 07:46:53 AM
He's probably marginally more qualified than Lenny Dykstra.
 
2014-06-09 08:00:21 AM
If I was a betting man, I would bet that he never bet on managing again.

/not exactly the master of the non-denial denial.
 
2014-06-09 08:17:29 AM
Gulper Eel:
And then you have the issue of Rose's huge gambling debts. Rose was a horrible gambler. He actually took the Patriots in Super Bowl XX. When you're $200,000 in the hole to just one bookie and that bookie is mobbed up...that's going to be a big problem.



An artist's impression of Pete Rose after Superbowl XX.
 
2014-06-09 08:18:28 AM
sephjnr:
An artist's impression of Pete Rose after Superbowl XX.

[Bad Lieutenant shooting the car radio]

Gaah. Why didn't the post get bounced on the bad URL?
 
2014-06-09 08:25:52 AM
Gulper Eel:
And then you have the issue of Rose's huge gambling debts. Rose was a horrible gambler. He actually took the Patriots in Super Bowl XX. When you're $200,000 in the hole to just one bookie and that bookie is mobbed up...that's going to be a big problem.

sephjnr.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

An artist's impression of Pete Rose after Superbowl XX.

/Sin Cara award nomination post
 
2014-06-09 08:37:56 AM
This is bad news for their perennial rivals, the Coney Island Whitefish.
 
2014-06-09 08:43:00 AM
www.inflexwetrust.com

That's a great logo.
 
2014-06-09 08:46:48 AM

sephjnr: An artist's impression of Pete Rose after Superbowl XX.


After? He would've been shooting his radio halfway through the second quarter of that game.
 
2014-06-09 09:20:48 AM

JSam21: Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.

Never bet against his team...


Just like he never bet on baseball?  The guy has as much credibility as Lance Armstrong.
 
2014-06-09 09:22:38 AM

Gulper Eel: JSam21: Never bet against his team...

(notthisshiatagain.jpg)

He bet more on some games, less on others, none at all on some games. That kind of info is golden to bookies - and betting zero is as good a sign as any of the confidence Rose had in his starter those nights. Usually (iirc) Rose didn't bet the games started by Mario Soto (whose arm Rose had ruined) and Bill Gullickson. I have no idea why Rose didn't care for Gullickson, but then Rose was the kind of manager who kept moving Nick Esasky all over the field so he could stat-pad himself into the lineup at first base, and who had Barry Larkin on the bench because Kurt Stillwell was gonna be just awesome.

From there comes the next question: was Rose saving his better relievers for the situations where he had more action on the game?

Gambling goes right to the credibility of the game more than PED's, spitballs and all the other forms of cheating. At least we know the cheaters are trying to win.

And then you have the issue of Rose's huge gambling debts. Rose was a horrible gambler. He actually took the Patriots in Super Bowl XX. When you're $200,000 in the hole to just one bookie and that bookie is mobbed up...that's going to be a big problem.


So much this.

Also, Pete Rose's greatest talent wasn't hitting singles or attitude or even hustle ... it was not getting hurt.

He was a somewhat better than average hitter who never got hurt. He broke the hits record because when you get 700 PAs a year, and bat right around .300, all you have to do is not get hurt over a 20+ year career where you finish it up by plugging yourself into the lineup.

Granted, that's near impossible, so kudos to Pete for being good at hitting singles and being really, really, really good at not missing games.

Too bad it's tempered by him being one of the biggest self congratulating A-holes ever.
 
2014-06-09 09:32:07 AM
I really question if he has ever managed a professional baseball team.
 
2014-06-09 09:42:04 AM

Saiga410: I really question if he has ever managed a professional baseball team.


He managed to look like a manager.
 
2014-06-09 09:43:52 AM

JSam21: Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.

Never bet against his team...


How many times is this argument going to be trotted out only to be shot down? Betting on games involving his team gives him non-transparent motivations to make decisions that are contrary to the interests of the team.
 
2014-06-09 09:55:36 AM

Saiga410: I really question if he has ever managed a professional baseball team.


Funny how Lou Piniella took pretty much the same players that Rose continually managed to mediocre results, and won a World Series - sweeping the roidhead A's - even with certifiable lunatic Marge Schott running the show.

/billy bates game 2 ftw
 
2014-06-09 10:15:40 AM

robohobo: That makes no sense


It makes perfect sense. Gambling nearly destroyed professional baseball and "don't bet on baseball" is the number one rule for MLB.
 
2014-06-09 10:30:10 AM

Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.


Or taken steroid. He shouldn't have done that either.
 
2014-06-09 10:35:12 AM
I always figured he'd go to Japan first
 
2014-06-09 10:37:16 AM

Maturin: Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.

Or taken steroid. He shouldn't have done that either.


Juicers are at least trying to win.
 
2014-06-09 10:38:27 AM

dywed88: robohobo: That makes no sense

It makes perfect sense. Gambling nearly destroyed professional baseball and "don't bet on baseball" is the number one rule for MLB.


They actually bothered to write this rule down.
 
2014-06-09 10:39:08 AM
What's the totals? The run line? This is important.
 
2014-06-09 10:47:29 AM
baseball.top5.com

HAHA Pete.  I was banned from baseball 3 times, and I'm going to get in the Hall of Fame
 
2014-06-09 11:04:37 AM

sephjnr: Gulper Eel:
And then you have the issue of Rose's huge gambling debts. Rose was a horrible gambler. He actually took the Patriots in Super Bowl XX. When you're $200,000 in the hole to just one bookie and that bookie is mobbed up...that's going to be a big problem.

[sephjnr.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk image 300x200]

An artist's impression of Pete Rose after Superbowl XX.

/Sin Cara award nomination post


Show me how you bet on baseball.  Show me with your mouth.
 
2014-06-09 11:24:34 AM

zarberg: Granted, that's near impossible, so kudos to Pete for being good at hitting singles and being really, really, really good at not missing games.


Compared to Ichiro, Pete Rose has more 2Bs per season (an average of 31 and change) than does Ichiro (almost 25 - I'm not counting this year's stats). Rose averaged 5 5/8 triples every year, Ichiro has 6.3. Ichiro is averaging ~211 hits per season, Rose got 177.

It's not as simple as "hitting singles" - Charlie Hustle turned more than a few singles into doubles (possibly with a betting sheet in his pocket) - but I'm right there with you on "lucky enough to not get hurt".

// same could be said about Cal Ripken, but his fellow players often talk about Cal having no concept of "pain" (so maybe what would sideline a mortal man could not but annoy The Khal)
 
2014-06-09 12:12:37 PM

Dr Dreidel: zarberg: Granted, that's near impossible, so kudos to Pete for being good at hitting singles and being really, really, really good at not missing games.

Compared to Ichiro, Pete Rose has more 2Bs per season (an average of 31 and change) than does Ichiro (almost 25 - I'm not counting this year's stats). Rose averaged 5 5/8 triples every year, Ichiro has 6.3. Ichiro is averaging ~211 hits per season, Rose got 177.

It's not as simple as "hitting singles" - Charlie Hustle turned more than a few singles into doubles (possibly with a betting sheet in his pocket) - but I'm right there with you on "lucky enough to not get hurt".

// same could be said about Cal Ripken, but his fellow players often talk about Cal having no concept of "pain" (so maybe what would sideline a mortal man could not but annoy The Khal)


Ichiro was better at stealing and much better at defense than Pete. Pete deserved his gold gloves only a bit more than Jeter deserved his.
 
2014-06-09 12:42:05 PM
Rose will make it to the HOF, the day after they shovel the dirt on his pine box.
 
2014-06-09 12:51:13 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Rose will make it to the HOF, the day after they shovel the dirt on his pine box.


I really do hope that's the case.

Statistically he deserves to be in. Morally I hope he dies with the knowledge that he didn't get in and then they put him in the next day.
 
2014-06-09 01:02:06 PM

Wellon Dowd: JSam21: Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.

Never bet against his team...

How many times is this argument going to be trotted out only to be shot down? Betting on games involving his team gives him non-transparent motivations to make decisions that are contrary to the interests of the team.


When I see it now I just assume it's trolling. On the other hand Petey does have him some rabid fans so how can you be sure. I also figure that if they're to dumb to realize it doesn't matter that he didn't bet against his teams they are to stupid for me to spend the time explaining it.
 
2014-06-09 01:04:03 PM
If Joe Shlabotnik can manage a team, certainly Pete Rose can.  (Joe Shlabotnik was Charlie Brown's
baseball hero.  Although one season he had a batting average of .004 - one hit in 240 at-bats -
Shlabotnik once managed a team called the Waffletown Syrups, but was fired after one game for
apparent incompetence - calling a squeeze play with the bases empty.)
 
2014-06-09 01:09:47 PM
Another Hall of Famer:
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Cap Anson or Tris Speaker, I'm not sure which
 
2014-06-09 01:11:49 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Rose will make it to the HOF, the day after they shovel the dirt on his pine box.


Times must be rough if Pete cannot afford the $12 it takes to get into the Hall of Fame.
 
2014-06-09 01:32:00 PM

zarberg: He was a somewhat better than average hitter who never got hurt. He broke the hits record because when you get 700 PAs a year, and bat right around .300, all you have to do is not get hurt over a 20+ year career where you finish it up by plugging yourself into the lineup.


Yup.  Pete Rose had 15,890 PA to get his 4,256 hits.  (Ty Cobb?  4,189 hits in 13,084 PA.)  He's first all time in basically every hitting longevity category: games, plate appearances, at-bats, outs made (where he's practically all by himself), etc.  He's the offensive equivalent to Nolan Ryan, and a great guess for any "Who had the most _____?" trivia question that doesn't involve power or speed.

Some of that was his crazy durability-- he played in 19 straight years where he missed 14 games or less-- basically one trip to the DL at most.  But as a "player-manager", he was able to play his last five seasons (racking up 559 more hits) despite being worth -2.5 WAR and blocking younger players.  Anyone else would have been benched.

Overall, he's 39th all-time in WAR for position players.  He'd clearly be HOF material if he hadn't bet on baseball, but Pete isn't very smart.
 
2014-06-09 02:05:53 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Rose will make it to the HOF, the day after they shovel the dirt on his pine box.


I don't know. I think more the same day Shoeless Joe makes it. He will continue serve as the warning for players not to bet on baseball.
 
2014-06-09 02:08:14 PM

zarberg: Ichiro wa is better at stealing and much better at defense than Pete. Pete deserved his gold gloves only a bit more than Jeter deserved his.


No arguments there. If we're talking pure hitting, Pete Rose and Ichiro are roughly similar, I'd wager - I haven't seen spray charts or foot-speed comparisons, but who cares if Kevin Youkilis has a .300 OBP because he hits where they ain't or because he can leg out an infield single?

// given that Youk's career OBP is 10 points higher than Kenny Lofton's (.382 to .372), I'm gonna say results are a better indicator than tools
// Billy Beane approves
 
2014-06-09 02:17:37 PM

Lost Thought 00: I always figured he'd go to Japan first


He got close enough with his girlfriend
 
2014-06-09 02:24:53 PM

zarberg: Too bad it's tempered by him being one of the biggest self congratulating A-holes ever.


You should congratulate yourself on a wonderful post.
 
2014-06-09 02:29:39 PM

chimp_ninja: Anyone else would have been benched.


I got to see Giambi hack at a few balls in Arlington this past Saturday afternoon - he actually made contact with one of them!
 
2014-06-09 03:24:07 PM

dywed88: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Rose will make it to the HOF, the day after they shovel the dirt on his pine box.

I don't know. I think more the same day Shoeless Joe makes it. He will continue serve as the warning for players not to bet on baseball.


Considering how he lied, let his fans send death threats against the investigator and only told the truth when he could cash in, I'd wait until he was on his death bed. Then I'd slip a rumor the MLB was reconsidering it's policy on Rose in the Hall of Fame. Get him on stage in front of the museum, roll out a statue covered in fabric. And then I'd announce that the MLB was opening a Scumbag wing to give a permanent record of the sports' failures so they are never repeated. First inductee? Pete Rose. Pull of the fabric to show him in his most dignified moment: getting tombstoned by the Undertaker while in the Gobbeldygooker outfit. No team cap. Just his name, DOB, space to fill in for DOD, and the phrase HE BET ON THE GAME.

tl;dr version fark him with some rusty cleats.
 
2014-06-09 04:39:40 PM

pueblonative: dywed88: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Rose will make it to the HOF, the day after they shovel the dirt on his pine box.

I don't know. I think more the same day Shoeless Joe makes it. He will continue serve as the warning for players not to bet on baseball.

Considering how he lied, let his fans send death threats against the investigator and only told the truth when he could cash in, I'd wait until he was on his death bed. Then I'd slip a rumor the MLB was reconsidering it's policy on Rose in the Hall of Fame. Get him on stage in front of the museum, roll out a statue covered in fabric. And then I'd announce that the MLB was opening a Scumbag wing to give a permanent record of the sports' failures so they are never repeated. First inductee? Pete Rose. Pull of the fabric to show him in his most dignified moment: getting tombstoned by the Undertaker while in the Gobbeldygooker outfit. No team cap. Just his name, DOB, space to fill in for DOD, and the phrase HE BET ON THE GAME.

tl;dr version fark him with some rusty cleats.


Your newsletter ... I'd like to subscribe to it.
 
2014-06-09 05:23:19 PM

NinjaFapper: Wow I can't believe he is 73.  Pete Rose and Mike Schmidt were my heros growing up.


Bench and Nolan were mine. Damn, we're old, bud.
 
2014-06-09 06:14:02 PM

JSam21: Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.

Never bet against his team...


That may be technically true, but if you're not betting evenly across all games for your team, you're sorta betting "against" your team on the games where you're not betting at all.   You're naturally going to let a loss slide in those games, not use your best players, etc.
 
2014-06-10 11:51:08 AM

downstairs: JSam21: Harry_Seldon: If you loved baseball, Pete, you wouldn't have bet on the games.

Never bet against his team...

That may be technically true, but if you're not betting evenly across all games for your team, you're sorta betting "against" your team on the games where you're not betting at all.   You're naturally going to let a loss slide in those games, not use your best players, etc.


Or kill/burn out a career trying to win a game you have money riding on.
 
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