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2014-06-08 08:48:02 PM  
Well, hey, the feeling is mutual.
 
2014-06-08 10:38:42 PM  
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2014-06-09 05:05:08 PM  
Well...you ARE!
 
2014-06-09 05:06:05 PM  
He's right, whoever he is
 
2014-06-09 05:12:34 PM  
Reggie Bush was the idiot. He should have demanded a lot more money.
 
2014-06-09 05:15:11 PM  
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2014-06-09 05:22:24 PM  
These coaches will discipline a player for staying out past curfew, but they don't know where the player is living and driving or that it is beyond their means?

The football coach that doesn't know these things doesn't want to know these things. If he did know he wouldn't be able to deny them with any credibility, and that is the bedrock principle of modern major college sports, deniability. If the boosters don't pay the players someone else will at some other school, so they don't get the players, and if that happens the coaches don't win, they don't get the big contracts, and they get fired.

It's amazing how everybody knows the deal except for the people who should know. If you are competing for the national championship you're cheating, it's that simple.
 
2014-06-09 05:23:17 PM  
Well if we are using Superbowl victories as a standard then he's right I guess...
 
2014-06-09 05:26:43 PM  
Pete Caroll was a lying, cheating douche  at USC and he is a lying cheating* douche in the NFL.  The good news for him is doing that makes you succesful in the real world. SO more power to him.


*Just wait for the PED stuff that will come out, most of that team juiced
 
2014-06-09 05:27:48 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Well if we are using Superbowl victories as a standard then he's right I guess...


Yeah, he and Barry Switzer are farking geniuses.
 
2014-06-09 05:28:23 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Well if we are using Superbowl victories as a standard then he's right I guess...


He only has one more Superbowl victory than I do, and I've got as many as Marv Levy.
 
2014-06-09 05:37:30 PM  
In a way he's right.  The NCAA is very uneven in their punishments, particularly of big name programs.  Some violations lose you a few scholarships, some lose you a year of bowls, some you get probation, but only once in before(in football) has someone been hit with a death penalty, and the penalty that USC received was a death penalty in all but name(losing 30 scholarships and a multi-year bowl ban is just as effective of a death penalty and shutting down the team for 2 years and would have killed all but the highest tier programs).

Not even Penn State, where children were raped by a football coach for years while the head coach and school leadership were aware of it, received as harsh of a penalty as USC(originally, it was worse, but Penn State had 25 lost scholarships restored to a total of 15 lost overall).

And on the flip side, Auburn didn't lose anything in the Cam Newton scandal, where a player and/or his representatives acted outside of the institution to receive off-field performance related benefits.  The general premise is the same as that at USC, but the outcomes are completely opposite.

You can't predict what the NCAA will do.  At least with other corrupt institutions like FIFA or Formula 1/FIA, you can predict the corruption.  The NCAA borders between corruption and ineptitude, keeping you guessing where they will go.
 
2014-06-09 05:38:18 PM  
Pete Carroll reminds me of the guy who brings animals on Letterman.
 
2014-06-09 05:39:09 PM  
USC lost more scholarships than miami, ohio st, aTm, oregon, and alabama combined. I hate usc as much as the next guy, but they got hosed
 
2014-06-09 05:48:00 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Well if we are using Superbowl victories as a standard then he's right I guess...


Correct.  Let's Adderall them up.
 
2014-06-09 05:49:13 PM  

animesucks: USC lost more scholarships than miami, ohio st, aTm, oregon, and alabama combined. I hate usc as much as the next guy, but they got hosed


The worst part for USC was getting Kiffin.
 
2014-06-09 05:49:39 PM  
Can't really wade into what Pete knew about the sanctions or whether he actually would have stayed. It's all hypothetical and this is probably a good dose of turd polishing. That said, it's not like Carroll took the first job that came along. He had turned down overtures from several NFL teams over the years because his demands for control were too high for many of them. As far as I'm concerned, those demands are fine, especially if you're totally comfortable where you are. The Seahawks, coming off of the epic failure of the Mike Holmgren/Jim Mora Jr. saga and feeling the effects of Tim Ruskell's drafting were willing to meet his high demands for salary and control.

Even with that, there is admittedly a stink to the move. And to be fair to Pete, there's literally nothing he could say that would change any of his haters' minds about him.
 
2014-06-09 05:54:39 PM  
I thought he was banned from hockey on ice?
 
2014-06-09 05:57:25 PM  

bhcompy: The NCAA is very uneven in their punishments, particularly of big name programs.


Yep, there's no way he could have known that the NCAA would go batshiat over a violation that was a) five years old, and b) only affected one or two players.
 
2014-06-09 05:58:49 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: bhcompy: The NCAA is very uneven in their punishments, particularly of big name programs.

Yep, there's no way he could have known that the NCAA would go batshiat over a violation that was a) five years old, and b) only affected one or two players.


The punishment was likely for other things not made public.
 
2014-06-09 06:04:08 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Representative of the unwashed masses: Well if we are using Superbowl victories as a standard then he's right I guess...

Yeah, he and Barry Switzer are farking geniuses.


Barry Switzer: inherited a Super Bowl team from Jimmy Johnson, held on for a couple of years and won a Super Bowl before presiding over the inevitable decline.

Pete Carroll: inherited one of the worst teams in the NFL, turned over 49* of 53 roster spots within four years, and won a Super Bowl.

Yeah, those are totally the same thing.

* The other three were C Max Unger, DT Brandon Mebane, DE Red Bryant and P Jon Ryan, if you're curious. Bryant is now gone as well.
 
2014-06-09 06:06:27 PM  

LessO2: whizbangthedirtfarmer: bhcompy: The NCAA is very uneven in their punishments, particularly of big name programs.

Yep, there's no way he could have known that the NCAA would go batshiat over a violation that was a) five years old, and b) only affected one or two players.

The punishment was likely for other things not made public.


Honestly, that doesn't pass the smell test.  More realistically, the NCAA punished USC for the audacity to tell them "Come at me, bro" because they knew they had nothing to do with the Bush scandal, Carroll was fairly bombastic in general, and the NCAA did not like the celebrity involvement in things like practices and press conferences at USC at all.
 
2014-06-09 06:06:58 PM  
This man might be a success as a football coach, but he has a higher crap content than the animal waste dumpster at a large zoo.
 
2014-06-09 06:08:01 PM  

varmitydog: This man might be a success as a football coach, but he has a higher crap content than the animal waste dumpster at a large zoo.


Just like all the other good football coaches.
 
2014-06-09 06:08:30 PM  
I mean the other four. Last-second correction. (Or I could just go with "punters aren't really people.")
 
2014-06-09 06:11:44 PM  

bhcompy: More realistically, the NCAA punished USC for the audacity to tell them "Come at me, bro" because they knew they had nothing to do with the Bush scandal, Carroll was fairly bombastic in general, and the NCAA did not like the celebrity involvement in things like practices and press conferences at USC at all


As I've said before (and this isn't an outright dismissal of Carroll's/USC admin's possible culpability, just an observation) a million times; it's infinitely harder to "control" your student-athletes in Los Angeles than, say, f*cking Pullman or Corvallis.
 
2014-06-09 06:14:29 PM  

bhcompy: LessO2: whizbangthedirtfarmer: bhcompy: The NCAA is very uneven in their punishments, particularly of big name programs.

Yep, there's no way he could have known that the NCAA would go batshiat over a violation that was a) five years old, and b) only affected one or two players.

The punishment was likely for other things not made public.

Honestly, that doesn't pass the smell test.  More realistically, the NCAA punished USC for the audacity to tell them "Come at me, bro" because they knew they had nothing to do with the Bush scandal, Carroll was fairly bombastic in general, and the NCAA did not like the celebrity involvement in things like practices and press conferences at USC at all.



Completely agree.  That's part of my sentiment....even the NCAA can't just come out and say "we're sanctioning you because you're a bunch of arrogant pricks."

If that were the case, there would be a lot more sanctions on a lot more teams.
 
2014-06-09 06:14:45 PM  

Killer Cars: bhcompy: More realistically, the NCAA punished USC for the audacity to tell them "Come at me, bro" because they knew they had nothing to do with the Bush scandal, Carroll was fairly bombastic in general, and the NCAA did not like the celebrity involvement in things like practices and press conferences at USC at all

As I've said before (and this isn't an outright dismissal of Carroll's/USC admin's possible culpability, just an observation) a million times; it's infinitely harder to "control" your student-athletes in Los Angeles than, say, f*cking Pullman or Corvallis.


To be fair to Pullman, a larger than expected contingent of their student athletes Coug it on a regular basis.
 
2014-06-09 06:15:58 PM  

Shame Us: varmitydog: This man might be a success as a football coach, but he has a higher crap content than the animal waste dumpster at a large zoo.

Just like all the other good football coaches.


Not really, some coaches shiat stinks more than others.
 
2014-06-09 06:18:44 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: These coaches will discipline a player for staying out past curfew, but they don't know where the player is living and driving or that it is beyond their means?


...You mean what the parents were doing ~140 miles in southeast San Diego county?

As an aside, there was already precedent for the NCAA treating USC worse than many big name programs-- go look up the Mike Williams saga.  The NCAA said they'd reinstate him if he accomplished a list of tasks-- he accomplishes all of them and they deny him while he's waiting on the tarmac to leave for the first game of the season.

/Miami gets nothing for endemic and systematic misconduct
//USC gets hammered for one dirtbag's dirtbag parents.
///OJ Mayo is not a justification for blasting the football program.
 
2014-06-09 06:20:39 PM  
Several SEC teams admit that they were trying to bribe a future Heisman winner to come to their school: No punishment, all around.

Agent tries to bribe a future Heisman winner's family to get him to leave USC early: biggest punishment of any school recently.

The answer is "don't f*ck with the SEC."
 
2014-06-09 06:24:51 PM  

LessO2: Shame Us: varmitydog: This man might be a success as a football coach, but he has a higher crap content than the animal waste dumpster at a large zoo.

Just like all the other good football coaches.

Not really, some coaches shiat stinks more than others.


It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of which head coaches just flat out lie to the media the most. It'd be impossible to measure, and there wouldn't be any that were wholly truthful. They're all full of it, it's just a question of how they get there - meaningless platitudes/cliches, just flat-put lying to your face, veiled long-winded bullsh*t, etc.
 
2014-06-09 06:37:40 PM  

IAmRight: Several SEC teams admit that they were trying to bribe a future Heisman winner to come to their school: No punishment, all around.

Agent tries to bribe a future Heisman winner's family to get him to leave USC early: biggest punishment of any school recently.

The answer is "don't f*ck with the SEC."


Ding Ding Ding

The real reason the hammer came down on USC was that it was starting to really threaten the dominance of the southern powerhouses, and the NCAA is run by a bunch of corrupt good old boys (i.e. Paul Dee, who was the lead attack dog going after USC, who was looking passed hooker, cocaine yacht parties being thrown by an agent for players at Miami WHILE he was the A.D. at Miami and serving on the committee investigating USC).
 
2014-06-09 07:10:43 PM  
Pete Carroll gave 9 years to the USC program.  Are we really going to slam him for leaving after 2 national championships when the Seahawks offered him up more control than most in the hopes for bringing success?  I would like to  think he would have stayed had he known the challenges the NCAA would inflict on USC even if I don't believe him.  I put more of the blame on Reggie Bush and his family than USC for the misconduct that occurred.  USC certainly wasn't looking for violations but even if they adopted the best practices of the NCAA, much of the extra benefits by Bush would have still gotten through.  Ultimately it was yet another chapter in the NCAA punishing one school harshly to try and get others to clean up their acts.  Stay tuned to find out the next patsy for UNCs basketball misconduct to find out if Cleveland State will get the death penalty.
 
2014-06-09 07:11:00 PM  

Super Chronic: Jim from Saint Paul: Representative of the unwashed masses: Well if we are using Superbowl victories as a standard then he's right I guess...

Yeah, he and Barry Switzer are farking geniuses.

Barry Switzer: inherited a Super Bowl team from Jimmy Johnson, held on for a couple of years and won a Super Bowl before presiding over the inevitable decline.

Pete Carroll: inherited one of the worst teams in the NFL, turned over 49* of 53 roster spots within four years, and won a Super Bowl.

Yeah, those are totally the same thing.

* The other three were C Max Unger, DT Brandon Mebane, DE Red Bryant and P Jon Ryan, if you're curious. Bryant is now gone as well.


The asterisk should be for something else...
 
2014-06-09 07:32:27 PM  

Daedalus27: I put more of the blame on Reggie Bush


But really, what was he supposed to to?

Tell his parents not to take money? Like that's going to stop them? I guess he should've allowed the agent to blackmail him and signed with him instead of signing with the agent he wanted to sign with?

/again, Bush deserves a commendation for stealing from a sleazebag "agent"
 
2014-06-09 07:36:24 PM  

Killer Cars: bhcompy: More realistically, the NCAA punished USC for the audacity to tell them "Come at me, bro" because they knew they had nothing to do with the Bush scandal, Carroll was fairly bombastic in general, and the NCAA did not like the celebrity involvement in things like practices and press conferences at USC at all

As I've said before (and this isn't an outright dismissal of Carroll's/USC admin's possible culpability, just an observation) a million times; it's infinitely harder to "control" your student-athletes in Los Angeles than, say, f*cking Pullman or Corvallis.


Maybe, but in Pullman the cops really don't have anything better to do than harass college kids.  And they really do enjoy it.
 
2014-06-09 07:36:59 PM  

spiderpaz: IAmRight: Several SEC teams admit that they were trying to bribe a future Heisman winner to come to their school: No punishment, all around.

Agent tries to bribe a future Heisman winner's family to get him to leave USC early: biggest punishment of any school recently.

The answer is "don't f*ck with the SEC."

Ding Ding Ding

The real reason the hammer came down on USC was that it was starting to really threaten the dominance of the southern powerhouses, and the NCAA is run by a bunch of corrupt good old boys (i.e. Paul Dee, who was the lead attack dog going after USC, who was looking passed hooker, cocaine yacht parties being thrown by an agent for players at Miami WHILE he was the A.D. at Miami and serving on the committee investigating USC).


SHHH! You're spoiling the narrative.
 
2014-06-09 07:57:17 PM  

IAmRight: Daedalus27: I put more of the blame on Reggie Bush

But really, what was he supposed to to?

Tell his parents not to take money? Like that's going to stop them? I guess he should've allowed the agent to blackmail him and signed with him instead of signing with the agent he wanted to sign with?

/again, Bush deserves a commendation for stealing from a sleazebag "agent"


Compliance officers were woefully inadequate on the campus.  Agents and celebrities were allowed frequent contact on the sidelines and at events with students.  No one asked any questions when he showed up in a new vehicle after driving around an old beater.  There were clues available and problems they may have stopped if they had run an effective compliance department.  Certainly they wouldn't have detected the house in San Diego or free plane tickets to family which was the bulk of the benefits, but the problem was less not detecting and more they weren't looking for it.   That is the lack of institutional control.  I have no doubt they would have been hammered even if they did everything they could have done, but they didn't do everything they could do, in fact they did much less than they should have.

That is why I don't call USC blameless.  I agree that most goes on Reggie Bush for daring to ask to be paid for his efforts a little early through his family and living expenses.  It is high crime according to the NCAA worthy of program destruction for years.  I don't blame Reggie Bush for taking advantage of the opportunity, but the fault rest with him for violating the NCAA's arbitrarily enforced rules.  At least he got more than tattoos out of his misconduct.
 
2014-06-09 07:58:29 PM  

Daedalus27: Pete Carroll gave 9 years to the USC program.  Are we really going to slam him for leaving after 2 national championships when the Seahawks offered him up more control than most in the hopes for bringing success?


No, we're slamming him because he's lying. Everybody and their brother knew the NCAA banhammer was coming down on USC in the coming months, and that's when he jumped like a rat from a sinking ship. College football is a dirty game, and Carroll is a dirty coach, so for most fans this falls into the "don't hate the player hate the game" kinda thing. Carroll isn't any worse than the NCAA as a whole, they're both corrupt, lying, cheating frauds. But that's the game, and everybody knows it. It just irks us (us, as in the royal we) when he insults our intelligence by trying to peddle crap excuses like this. Just admit you're a lying, cheating, gum-chewing douche-kayak who spent a decade presiding over a dirty pay-for-play program and pretending to look the other way while all the "boosters" gave out (likely) millions of dollars to the best athletes so the school could earn billions off their labor, and when the house of cards finally came crumbling down all around him, he fled.

And that's ok. Some captains go down with their ships, others go all Captain Schettino and flee like cowards. Not everybody can be humble and principled. Integrity isn't for everybody. Sometimes ya just gotta look out for #1, right Pete?
 
2014-06-09 08:12:45 PM  
"We thought maybe it wasn't coming because they didn't have anything to get us with"

Well that pretty much says it all.
 
2014-06-09 08:24:06 PM  

Daedalus27: celebrities were allowed frequent contact on the sidelines and at events with students.


This isn't illegal, no matter how much it makes other schools jealous.

Why Would I Read the Article: Daedalus27: Pete Carroll gave 9 years to the USC program.  Are we really going to slam him for leaving after 2 national championships when the Seahawks offered him up more control than most in the hopes for bringing success?

No, we're slamming him because he's lying. Everybody and their brother knew the NCAA banhammer was coming down on USC in the coming months, and that's when he jumped like a rat from a sinking ship. College football is a dirty game, and Carroll is a dirty coach, so for most fans this falls into the "don't hate the player hate the game" kinda thing. Carroll isn't any worse than the NCAA as a whole, they're both corrupt, lying, cheating frauds. But that's the game, and everybody knows it. It just irks us (us, as in the royal we) when he insults our intelligence by trying to peddle crap excuses like this. Just admit you're a lying, cheating, gum-chewing douche-kayak who spent a decade presiding over a dirty pay-for-play program and pretending to look the other way while all the "boosters" gave out (likely) millions of dollars to the best athletes so the school could earn billions off their labor, and when the house of cards finally came crumbling down all around him, he fled.

And that's ok. Some captains go down with their ships, others go all Captain Schettino and flee like cowards. Not everybody can be humble and principled. Integrity isn't for everybody. Sometimes ya just gotta look out for #1, right Pete?


Someone's still bitter his team can't beat Pete's.
 
2014-06-09 08:53:33 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Pete Caroll was a lying, cheating douche  at USC and he is a lying cheating* douche in the NFL.  The good news for him is doing that makes you succesful in the real world. SO more power to him.


*Just wait for the PED stuff that will come out, most of that team juiced


Are you mad, brother?
 
2014-06-09 10:09:51 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Daedalus27: Pete Carroll gave 9 years to the USC program.  Are we really going to slam him for leaving after 2 national championships when the Seahawks offered him up more control than most in the hopes for bringing success?

No, we're slamming him because he's lying. Everybody and their brother knew the NCAA banhammer was coming down on USC in the coming months, and that's when he jumped like a rat from a sinking ship. College football is a dirty game, and Carroll is a dirty coach, so for most fans this falls into the "don't hate the player hate the game" kinda thing. Carroll isn't any worse than the NCAA as a whole, they're both corrupt, lying, cheating frauds. But that's the game, and everybody knows it. It just irks us (us, as in the royal we) when he insults our intelligence by trying to peddle crap excuses like this. Just admit you're a lying, cheating, gum-chewing douche-kayak who spent a decade presiding over a dirty pay-for-play program and pretending to look the other way while all the "boosters" gave out (likely) millions of dollars to the best athletes so the school could earn billions off their labor, and when the house of cards finally came crumbling down all around him, he fled.

And that's ok. Some captains go down with their ships, others go all Captain Schettino and flee like cowards. Not everybody can be humble and principled. Integrity isn't for everybody. Sometimes ya just gotta look out for #1, right Pete?


You are certain he is lying and dislike him.  I get that and I won't change your mind.  Perhaps if you were more exposed to him, saw how he operated and behaved in the Los Angeles area you might have a different view. He was always out in the community, scouting local high school games and interacting with people in his excited fashion. He came across as a genuinely likeable guy and did a great job conveying this to people who didn't just catch snippets on Sportcenter or Gameday. I can almost believe him now that he has achieved his goal in the NFL that he wishes things didn't go down the way they did.  It is revisionist thinking and I certainly think back in 2010 when the decision was made, he had a sense that the sanctions that would hit USC would be significant which made the Seattle job more attractive. I think he is trying to fool himself into thinking he would have stayed, but I don't think it comes from a bad place like you do and I don't place quite the blame that you do regarding the NCAA violations and his culpability.

IAmRight: Daedalus27: celebrities were allowed frequent contact on the sidelines and at events with students.

This isn't illegal, no matter how much it makes other schools jealous.


Celebrities, while not illegal in themselves, but it goes to show the mentality and open access in the athletic program to the athletes that allowed the illegal benefits to take place (and evidence to be discovered). The fact that sidelines and visitors were relatively open goes to the lack of institutional control. USC and UCLA are located in a far more vulnerable environment for these actions to take place.  It is a draw to potential athletes certainly, but it also means they are more vulnerable to misconduct.
 
2014-06-09 10:20:50 PM  

Daedalus27: Celebrities, while not illegal in themselves, but it goes to show the mentality and open access in the athletic program to the athletes that allowed the illegal benefits to take place (and evidence to be discovered). The fact that sidelines and visitors were relatively open goes to the lack of institutional control.


All practices should be open; petty, thickheaded coaches that need to close practices because they think they have some secret scheme that no one else can be trusted with are assclowns. Not to mention most schools are public schools; the public should have a right to be out in their stadium/practice fields. (Yeah, I know USC is private)

Daedalus27: It is revisionist thinking and I certainly think back in 2010 when the decision was made, he had a sense that the sanctions that would hit USC would be significant which made the Seattle job more attractive


There's also a decent chance that he felt that him going away would lessen the punishments, since most of the buttmad from the rest of the Top 10 teams came from him out there looking all happy and like he was enjoying life..FOOTBALL IS WAR GODDAMMIT AND YOU WILL TREAT IT SOMBERLY!

/same assholes who have a problem with kids celebrating a game-winning TD
 
2014-06-09 10:40:11 PM  

Daedalus27: You are certain he is lying and dislike him. I get that and I won't change your mind. Perhaps if you were more exposed to him, saw how he operated and behaved in the Los Angeles area you might have a different view. He was always out in the community, scouting local high school games and interacting with people in his excited fashion. He came across as a genuinely likeable guy and did a great job conveying this to people who didn't just catch snippets on Sportcenter or Gameday. I can almost believe him now that he has achieved his goal in the NFL that he wishes things didn't go down the way they did. It is revisionist thinking and I certainly think back in 2010 when the decision was made, he had a sense that the sanctions that would hit USC would be significant which made the Seattle job more attractive. I think he is trying to fool himself into thinking he would have stayed, but I don't think it comes from a bad place like you do and I don't place quite the blame that you do regarding the NCAA violations and his culpability.


The problem is that it's the same story you'll get from every dirty coach. This thread inspired me to re-watch Pony Exce$$, and in the end it's really funny how much he sounds like Ron Meyer. Oh, I didn't know about most of it, and by the way I'm off to the NFL just before the hammer drops. They could update the story, change a few details, and it would be USC's story, a lack of institutional control.

Even more amusing is how much the dirty players talked about the glory days, speaking with wonder about how SMU could have fielded a team so bad when they were so great. Oh, I don't know, could it be that you guys were bought and paid for whereas the next group were sacrificial lambs to restore integrity? Craig James isn't believable, Eric Dickerson isn't believable, and in USC's case Reggie Bush isn't believable, but Pete Carroll somehow is?

USC and other schools of its ilk, clearly dirty programs, have SMU to thank for taking the bullet for them. No school will ever get the death penalty again. Ever. What an opportunity that knowledge provides, schools can do whatever knowing that they might be punished but the punishment will not be that severe. Coaches and administrators can go on denying what everybody else knows to be true. And in the end, the guilty never get punished.

USC recovered fairly quickly, they remain pretty much untarnished, and Pete Carroll gets a lot of respect and a ton of white knights defending his patently ridiculous denials. Either you take him at his word, that he had no idea, that he was running a renegade program with no knowledge of anything going on, or you believe that he's full of crap. Either way, his credibility should be shot. But somehow it isn't, and I'll never understand why. Subby got it absolutely right with the headline.
 
2014-06-09 10:51:08 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The problem is that it's the same story you'll get from every dirty coach.


FTFY

/unless you think there's a coach out there who knows where every one of 100+ players and all their families get every dime they have
//SMU got busted for paying players, then, when told to stop, continuing to do so
///USC had a player's family taking money from someone trying to entice him to LEAVE USC
 
2014-06-09 11:03:32 PM  

IAmRight: /unless you think there's a coach out there who knows where every one of 100+ players and all their families get every dime they have


They don't have to know where every dime is coming from. But they recruited the players, they know what socioeconomic status they come from, and when they see their players driving expensive cars, living in expensive houses, sporting expensive clothes and jewelry, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that mommy and daddy didn't pay for it, so who did? $290,000 worth of stuff, and NOBODY noticed, not even the head coach? That strains credibility to the breaking point. In any case, it's the head coach's job to know. He knows when he's been late, or dogging it in the weight room, or out drinking and acting the fool, but he can't ask and/or doesn't know about the sudden appearance of a quarter-million dollars worth of stuff? That's a joke. In college football, apparently, the guy in charge is always the last to know.
 
2014-06-09 11:10:44 PM  
I love all the haters.
 
2014-06-09 11:12:59 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Daedalus27: You are certain he is lying and dislike him. I get that and I won't change your mind. Perhaps if you were more exposed to him, saw how he operated and behaved in the Los Angeles area you might have a different view. He was always out in the community, scouting local high school games and interacting with people in his excited fashion. He came across as a genuinely likeable guy and did a great job conveying this to people who didn't just catch snippets on Sportcenter or Gameday. I can almost believe him now that he has achieved his goal in the NFL that he wishes things didn't go down the way they did. It is revisionist thinking and I certainly think back in 2010 when the decision was made, he had a sense that the sanctions that would hit USC would be significant which made the Seattle job more attractive. I think he is trying to fool himself into thinking he would have stayed, but I don't think it comes from a bad place like you do and I don't place quite the blame that you do regarding the NCAA violations and his culpability.

The problem is that it's the same story you'll get from every dirty coach. This thread inspired me to re-watch Pony Exce$$, and in the end it's really funny how much he sounds like Ron Meyer. Oh, I didn't know about most of it, and by the way I'm off to the NFL just before the hammer drops. They could update the story, change a few details, and it would be USC's story, a lack of institutional control.

Even more amusing is how much the dirty players talked about the glory days, speaking with wonder about how SMU could have fielded a team so bad when they were so great. Oh, I don't know, could it be that you guys were bought and paid for whereas the next group were sacrificial lambs to restore integrity? Craig James isn't believable, Eric Dickerson isn't believable, and in USC's case Reggie Bush isn't believable, but Pete Carroll somehow is?

USC and other schools of its ilk, clearly dirty programs, have SMU to thank for taking the bullet for them. No school will ever get the death penalty again. Ever. What an opportunity that knowledge provides, schools can do whatever knowing that they might be punished but the punishment will not be that severe. Coaches and administrators can go on denying what everybody else knows to be true. And in the end, the guilty never get punished.

USC recovered fairly quickly, they remain pretty much untarnished, and Pete Carroll gets a lot of respect and a ton of white knights defending his patently ridiculous denials. Either you take him at his word, that he had no idea, that he was running a renegade program with no knowledge of anything going on, or you believe that he's full of crap. Either way, his credibility should be shot. But somehow it isn't, and I'll never understand why. Subby got it absolutely right with the headline.


Todd McNair thinks that you are full of shiat.

/ ncaa is pissing themselves about the lawsuit.
// one of the "violations" was a tennis player using a borrowed university calling card to call her parents on the other side of the world. NUKE THE UNIVERSITY
/// all you assholes calling uncle Pete a cheater seem to have forgotten that the ncaa report does not call uncle Pete a cheater.
 
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