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(Major League Baseball)   Somebody should teach Manny Machado baseball's unwritten rule about being a whiny pussy   (mlb.mlb.com) divider line 74
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2014-06-08 08:39:11 PM
Did he yell at his wife on national TV?
 
2014-06-08 08:53:02 PM
WTF?  Somebody needs to talk to Abad about throwing at someone when he has a ten run lead.
 
2014-06-08 08:54:28 PM
That was a horrible, horrible attempt at throwing the bat at the pitcher.  There's no way you can do it the way he did it. You can't pretend to swing and then launch it at the pitcher and assume it's gonna go straight, because momentum'll pull it in the direction you're swinging.

\just seems every player's in a pissy mood this year
 
2014-06-08 09:07:26 PM

Mudgen: WTF?  Somebody needs to talk to Abad about throwing at someone when he has a ten run lead.


Uhh, that is the perfect time to hit a batter, you have a 10 run lead, at worse you give up a 2 run homerun, however what Manny did was childish - even trying to play it off like the bat slipped out of his hand, but if you look where the "pitch" was, he clearly was intending to throw the bat.

/5 game suspension I'm guessing?
 
2014-06-08 09:25:55 PM
the pitch he threw the bat during was also way inside and almost hit his leg.  how is getting hit by an intentionally thrown bat any worse than getting hit by an intentionally thrown inside pitch?
 
2014-06-08 09:40:11 PM

Misconduc: Mudgen: WTF?  Somebody needs to talk to Abad about throwing at someone when he has a ten run lead.

Uhh, that is the perfect time to hit a batter, you have a 10 run lead, at worse you give up a 2 run homerun,



Holy f*ck.  Actually intending to hit him?  I don't like it out here.
 
2014-06-08 10:02:17 PM
I can see why Machado's a bit miffed. When you go intentionally way inside, you throw at the waist. Abad went right at his kneecap. That's about as bad as throwing at his head.
 
2014-06-08 10:38:34 PM
Why would Abad have wanted to hit Machado? Given where the catcher was set up it wasn't clear to me that the pitch was an intentional brush back. Was there something from earlier in the series?
 
2014-06-08 10:49:39 PM
Throwing the bat is stupid.  You have to charge the mound to really make sure that you brain that f*cker with it.
 
2014-06-09 12:00:39 AM

Triumph: I can see why Machado's a bit miffed. When you go intentionally way inside, you throw at the waist. Abad went right at his kneecap. That's about as bad as throwing at his head.


Especially right after knee surgery.
 
2014-06-09 12:24:54 AM
This all started Friday, when he was upset at getting tagged out at 3rd. Dude needs to sit a few games and think.
 
2014-06-09 12:38:17 AM
That was bush league.  If Machado wanted to show up the pitcher, he'd take his time, watch some video and hit a moonshot into the second deck the next time he faced Abad.  Then he could have taken a nice, slow walk before starting a nice, slow trot around the bases.  Proper payback is worth the wait.  Machado's young - he'll learn.
 
2014-06-09 12:38:36 AM

SoThor: This all started Friday, when he was upset at getting tagged out at 3rd. Dude needs to sit a few games and think.


Plus, I think the A's were more pissed after his reaction when he hit Norris with his backswing a couple of times.
 
2014-06-09 12:39:51 AM

nmrsnr: Why would Abad have wanted to hit Machado? Given where the catcher was set up it wasn't clear to me that the pitch was an intentional brush back. Was there something from earlier in the series?


Yes. On Friday, Machado was tagged out going to third by Donaldson. Machado tried to dodge the tag, failed miserably, and fell backwards on his ass in his attempt to get away from Donaldson. He was thoroughly embarrassed that he fell on his ass, so he acted like Donaldson hit him too hard with the tag, causing him to fall over. Machado gets in Donaldson's face, causing benches to clear.
 
2014-06-09 12:48:49 AM

Marmilman: nmrsnr: Why would Abad have wanted to hit Machado? Given where the catcher was set up it wasn't clear to me that the pitch was an intentional brush back. Was there something from earlier in the series?

Yes. On Friday, Machado was tagged out going to third by Donaldson. Machado tried to dodge the tag, failed miserably, and fell backwards on his ass in his attempt to get away from Donaldson. He was thoroughly embarrassed that he fell on his ass, so he acted like Donaldson hit him too hard with the tag, causing him to fall over. Machado gets in Donaldson's face, causing benches to clear.


Adding on, the next time Donaldson was at bat two innings later, he was thrown at, so Machado was thrown at the next inning himself.
 
2014-06-09 01:37:49 AM
That swing was so long after the pitch that it's impossible for me to think that it wasn't intentional. He should get at least a week suspension for that crap and I'd prefer 10+ games. Based on everything I've seen about why this happened, it's clear that Machado needs to grow up.
 
2014-06-09 02:00:15 AM
The A's catcher was knocked out of the game by that over-swing. Machado deserved to get his ass kicked after that.
 
2014-06-09 02:14:54 AM

Glenechocreek: The A's catcher was knocked out of the game by that over-swing. Machado deserved to get his ass kicked after that.


Was the back swing on purpose or did it just happen?

I used to catch, now coach them. Usually when a catcher gets hit, it is his fault.
 
2014-06-09 03:03:59 AM

JSam21: I used to catch, now coach them. Usually when a catcher gets hit, it is his fault.


I don't think it was the backswing itself that pissed the A's off.  It was Machado's reaction.  When Papi hit Avila last week, he helped the dude up (granted, Avila was far more injured than Norris).  Mark DeRosa said that it is kind of a standard practice when you hit a dude with your backswing to take a look back and see if he is alright* because you know damned well that you hit the catcher.

Even though he totally handled the bat throwing thing wrong, I can understand his frustration at being thrown at near his knees.

* granted that is getting into unwritten rules territory, but I think common decency trumps unwritten rules.
 
2014-06-09 03:25:22 AM

ladodger34: JSam21: I used to catch, now coach them. Usually when a catcher gets hit, it is his fault.

I don't think it was the backswing itself that pissed the A's off.  It was Machado's reaction.  When Papi hit Avila last week, he helped the dude up (granted, Avila was far more injured than Norris).  Mark DeRosa said that it is kind of a standard practice when you hit a dude with your backswing to take a look back and see if he is alright* because you know damned well that you hit the catcher.

Even though he totally handled the bat throwing thing wrong, I can understand his frustration at being thrown at near his knees.

* granted that is getting into unwritten rules territory, but I think common decency trumps unwritten rules.


That was the question I left out was him checking on him.

Unwritten rules don't always have to do with what you're not supposed to do as well. Example, as a catcher if the umpire takes a foul ball or pitch off a tender area. The catcher should go talk to his pitcher to let the umpire catch his breath. Umpires do the same for catchers.
 
2014-06-09 03:35:36 AM

JSam21: Unwritten rules don't always have to do with what you're not supposed to do as well. Example, as a catcher if the umpire takes a foul ball or pitch off a tender area. The catcher should go talk to his pitcher to let the umpire catch his breath. Umpires do the same for catchers.


Hell, even batters know when a catcher gets a nut shot that they should step out of the box and give the man some time. The umpire checks the ball, walks out to the mound to give the pitcher a new ball, cleans the plate, asks for more baseballs from the ballboy, etc.

Machado was something special to watch last season and it broke my heart (well, baseball heart) to see him go down at the end of the season.  However, this was a bad, bad weekend for him.
 
2014-06-09 03:48:01 AM

ladodger34: JSam21: Unwritten rules don't always have to do with what you're not supposed to do as well. Example, as a catcher if the umpire takes a foul ball or pitch off a tender area. The catcher should go talk to his pitcher to let the umpire catch his breath. Umpires do the same for catchers.

Hell, even batters know when a catcher gets a nut shot that they should step out of the box and give the man some time. The umpire checks the ball, walks out to the mound to give the pitcher a new ball, cleans the plate, asks for more baseballs from the ballboy, etc.

Machado was something special to watch last season and it broke my heart (well, baseball heart) to see him go down at the end of the season.  However, this was a bad, bad weekend for him.


Sounds like he is getting frustrated. That being said there are two things you don't do on a baseball field, throw your bat at someone or kick someone...

/still looking at you Johnny
 
2014-06-09 04:25:32 AM

JSam21: Sounds like he is getting frustrated. That being said there are two things you don't do on a baseball field, throw your bat at someone or kick someone...


Paging Mr. Marichal to the white phone..

Going back to the DeRosa comments (he is actually with it, compared to some dudes on MLBN) he said that Donaldson can get under folk's skin.  DeRosa isn't too far removed (and to go with the Simmon's theory - the best commentators are those that have recently retired) that I kind of trust his judgement.

As a Dodgers fan, I have to put this in a Puigascope.  I've seen crap on here where folks have skinned Puig for far lesser infractions.  Aside from the fact the Puig is the best hitting prospect since Mike Piazza that the Dodgers have signed (and Mikey was an accident), I'll take Puig's batflips, missed cutoff men, and baserunning stupidity over a man throwing his bat at another dude.

//so Manny almost 1000 minor league PAs.. Puig has 250.. granted, Puig played in the Cuban league.. and we have no idea what he did during that time...
 
2014-06-09 04:50:51 AM

ladodger34: JSam21: Sounds like he is getting frustrated. That being said there are two things you don't do on a baseball field, throw your bat at someone or kick someone...

Paging Mr. Marichal to the white phone..

Going back to the DeRosa comments (he is actually with it, compared to some dudes on MLBN) he said that Donaldson can get under folk's skin.  DeRosa isn't too far removed (and to go with the Simmon's theory - the best commentators are those that have recently retired) that I kind of trust his judgement.

As a Dodgers fan, I have to put this in a Puigascope.  I've seen crap on here where folks have skinned Puig for far lesser infractions.  Aside from the fact the Puig is the best hitting prospect since Mike Piazza that the Dodgers have signed (and Mikey was an accident), I'll take Puig's batflips, missed cutoff men, and baserunning stupidity over a man throwing his bat at another dude.

//so Manny almost 1000 minor league PAs.. Puig has 250.. granted, Puig played in the Cuban league.. and we have no idea what he did during that time...


To me Puig hasn't done anything to warrant the uproar about him besides people's hate for all things ESPN. Since ESPN got behind him he must be worse than terrorist and abortion combined. I can see where teammates would get on him about the base running and cutoffs but mainly everything was taken care of in house.

The bean ball is the hockey fight of baseball. It is how the game is self policed. I know im going to get the "warrior code" snark but I dont care. Players have to be able to self police games to an extent or things can go very bad, very quickly. I think hockey is a prime example of this. The league has tried to take out fighting as much as they can without banning it. The result is more skill players getting run at because the defenders know there is no price to pay really. Umpires should let each team get theirs then give out the warnings.
 
2014-06-09 05:05:45 AM

Mudgen: WTF?  Somebody needs to talk to Abad about throwing at someone when he has a ten run lead.


Someone needs to explain to subby what unwritten rules really mean, sure you can try to claim the inside of the plate but its obvious you're throwing at someone with a 10 run lead. And whining? He threw the bat, even if someone is intentionally throwing at you there is never a reason to throw the bat which is why he got ejected.
 
2014-06-09 05:26:37 AM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Marmilman: nmrsnr: Why would Abad have wanted to hit Machado? Given where the catcher was set up it wasn't clear to me that the pitch was an intentional brush back. Was there something from earlier in the series?

Yes. On Friday, Machado was tagged out going to third by Donaldson. Machado tried to dodge the tag, failed miserably, and fell backwards on his ass in his attempt to get away from Donaldson. He was thoroughly embarrassed that he fell on his ass, so he acted like Donaldson hit him too hard with the tag, causing him to fall over. Machado gets in Donaldson's face, causing benches to clear.

Adding on, the next time Donaldson was at bat two innings later, he was thrown at, so Machado was thrown at the next inning himself.


More specifically, the O's pitcher threw above the shoulder on the brushback, and then plunked Donaldson on the shoulder in the same at-bat, again throwing high and inside. Why he felt the need to do this to back up Machado's clear overreaction is uncertain, but it paved the way for more nastiness later.

Machado then did a ridiculous overswing to hit the A's catcher, Norris on the back of the helmet not once, but twice in the same at-bat. Norris suggested, without accusation, that it may have been deliberate.

If Abad threw low, it may have be retaliation for the headhunting done to Donaldson. Maybe. I think under ordinary circumstances, maybe Machado gets plunked in the midsection before the series ends. But after the Norris incident, maybe more drastic measures are taken.

Regardless, we can all agree that Manny Machado was a farking coont this weekend. He's young. It happens.
 
2014-06-09 05:31:30 AM
Or maybe I'm misinterpreting this and Manny Machado is a farking coont all the time. I don't see the Orioles play much.
 
2014-06-09 06:59:43 AM
 
2014-06-09 07:27:02 AM
There is no unwritten rule about being a whiny pussy. The first written rule in the book actually requires all baseball players to be whiny pussies.
 
2014-06-09 07:36:17 AM

Triumph: I can see why Machado's a bit miffed. When you go intentionally way inside, you throw at the waist. Abad went right at his kneecap. That's about as bad as throwing at his head.


And machado was just coming off a knee injury.
 
2014-06-09 07:58:08 AM
I fully endorse batters taking matters into their own hands, especially in the no-bat American League. I look forward to the first time someone actually connects
 
2014-06-09 08:13:20 AM
This all started because "The 3rd baseman tagged me too hard!" That's a biatch move complaining about that.
 
2014-06-09 08:26:56 AM
Baseball fights are so silly. Hey let's all run onto the field and shove each other around like little kids. Even the bullpens run all the way to home plate just to shove people. MLB should do like the NBA and start fining players who come on to the field of play without having a reason to be there. Two players on the field want to duke it out, then let them.
 
2014-06-09 08:37:16 AM
Why does everyone think the bat was thrown at Abad?   His original fight was with Donaldson, and the bat wound up near Donaldson, but every article says that he threw the bat at the pitcher and missed by a mile.
 
2014-06-09 08:44:30 AM

BigMax: Why does everyone think the bat was thrown at Abad?   His original fight was with Donaldson, and the bat wound up near Donaldson, but every article says that he threw the bat at the pitcher and missed by a mile.


Pretty much my point. And for people saying throwing a bat is the same as throwing a baseball, stand in front of someone and give them both. Now tell them to throw only one. Which one do you hope he throws?
 
2014-06-09 08:48:51 AM
He threw his bat because he "almost" got hit?

(Sigh) Today's players wouldn't last ten minutes in the 50s.
 
2014-06-09 08:48:59 AM

skinink: Baseball fights are so silly. Hey let's all run onto the field and shove each other around like little kids. Even the bullpens run all the way to home plate just to shove people. MLB should do like the NBA and start fining players who come on to the field of play without having a reason to be there. Two players on the field want to duke it out, then let them.


Which then quickly becomes a 9 on 4 at the most... that is including the base coaches and on-deck batter.
 
2014-06-09 08:50:18 AM

JSam21: skinink: Baseball fights are so silly. Hey let's all run onto the field and shove each other around like little kids. Even the bullpens run all the way to home plate just to shove people. MLB should do like the NBA and start fining players who come on to the field of play without having a reason to be there. Two players on the field want to duke it out, then let them.

Which then quickly becomes a 9 on 4 at the most... that is including the base coaches and on-deck batter.


You could do like high school rules though and anyone leaving their position, as well as coming of the bench(besides coaches to break it up), is ejected.
 
2014-06-09 08:53:52 AM
So let's see...start a brawl because you were tagged out "too hard" and then try to fling your bat at a pitcher all in a span of 3 days?

Manny, I think you need to lower your stanozolol dosage.
 
2014-06-09 08:56:24 AM

BigMax: Why does everyone think the bat was thrown at Abad?   His original fight was with Donaldson, and the bat wound up near Donaldson, but every article says that he threw the bat at the pitcher and missed by a mile.


I did this in high school unfortunately, I struck out on a curveball and let frustration boil me over and flung my bat against the backstop and got myself thrown out of the game. I believe machado was getting frustrating that Abad was throwing inside. If you watch closely, I don't believe he was throwing the bat at abad, more so he was simply frustrated and decided to fling the bat as a reaction, he really had no chance to hit the ball so it only looks bad for Machado.

Either way its a really stupid move for Machado, but the kids only 21 - he simply let the frustration boil over, hopefully he gets a few days suspension and comes back after a nice long talk with Uncle Buck.
 
2014-06-09 09:13:59 AM
Dumb move by Machado. But he's young, he'll get it together.
 
2014-06-09 09:34:18 AM
Why wasn't the pitcher ejected after the pitch? Suddenly it's okay to eject him after retaliation?
 
2014-06-09 09:36:09 AM

Misconduc: BigMax: Why does everyone think the bat was thrown at Abad?   His original fight was with Donaldson, and the bat wound up near Donaldson, but every article says that he threw the bat at the pitcher and missed by a mile.

I did this in high school unfortunately, I struck out on a curveball and let frustration boil me over and flung my bat against the backstop and got myself thrown out of the game. I believe machado was getting frustrating that Abad was throwing inside. If you watch closely, I don't believe he was throwing the bat at abad, more so he was simply frustrated and decided to fling the bat as a reaction, he really had no chance to hit the ball so it only looks bad for Machado.

Either way its a really stupid move for Machado, but the kids only 21 - he simply let the frustration boil over, hopefully he gets a few days suspension and comes back after a nice long talk with Uncle Buck.


He flung the bat after the ball was by him. If you're frustrated you throw the bat at the ground or slam your helmet (you know, like he did on Friday). Yesterday he was throwing the bat at the pitcher or 3B. Doesn't matter which, either one should give him a 10 game suspension.
 
2014-06-09 09:39:13 AM

JSam21: ladodger34: JSam21: Sounds like he is getting frustrated. That being said there are two things you don't do on a baseball field, throw your bat at someone or kick someone...

Paging Mr. Marichal to the white phone..

Going back to the DeRosa comments (he is actually with it, compared to some dudes on MLBN) he said that Donaldson can get under folk's skin.  DeRosa isn't too far removed (and to go with the Simmon's theory - the best commentators are those that have recently retired) that I kind of trust his judgement.

As a Dodgers fan, I have to put this in a Puigascope.  I've seen crap on here where folks have skinned Puig for far lesser infractions.  Aside from the fact the Puig is the best hitting prospect since Mike Piazza that the Dodgers have signed (and Mikey was an accident), I'll take Puig's batflips, missed cutoff men, and baserunning stupidity over a man throwing his bat at another dude.

//so Manny almost 1000 minor league PAs.. Puig has 250.. granted, Puig played in the Cuban league.. and we have no idea what he did during that time...

To me Puig hasn't done anything to warrant the uproar about him besides people's hate for all things ESPN. Since ESPN got behind him he must be worse than terrorist and abortion combined. I can see where teammates would get on him about the base running and cutoffs but mainly everything was taken care of in house.

The bean ball is the hockey fight of baseball. It is how the game is self policed. I know im going to get the "warrior code" snark but I dont care. Players have to be able to self police games to an extent or things can go very bad, very quickly. I think hockey is a prime example of this. The league has tried to take out fighting as much as they can without banning it. The result is more skill players getting run at because the defenders know there is no price to pay really. Umpires should let each team get theirs then give out the warnings.


Why does baseball need to police itself?  Hockey is crazy dangerous, and like you say, no self-policing can result in skill players getting gooned.

In baseball, pretty much the only threat is... players getting thrown at.  So why start throwing at guys as a retaliation for anything other than your guys being thrown at?

"I don't like the way you looked at that home run / reacted to something / glared at the pitcher / etc" is a terrible reason to throw at a guy.  Machado's reaction on that tag was dumb, but let it go.  That goes for both the A's and for the O's throwing at Donaldson.
 
2014-06-09 09:48:06 AM
Harper gets hit by a pitch and retaliates by stealing home, yet he's the one judged to have a bad attitude.
 
2014-06-09 10:32:16 AM

BigMax: Why does everyone think the bat was thrown at Abad?   His original fight was with Donaldson, and the bat wound up near Donaldson, but every article says that he threw the bat at the pitcher and missed by a mile.


I read that Donaldson was out of the game at that point.  Alberto Callaspo was playing 3rd.
 
2014-06-09 10:33:10 AM

tumy4me: BigMax: Why does everyone think the bat was thrown at Abad?   His original fight was with Donaldson, and the bat wound up near Donaldson, but every article says that he threw the bat at the pitcher and missed by a mile.

I read that Donaldson was out of the game at that point.  Alberto Callaspo was playing 3rd.


Oh, and these 2 have some obvious, uh, appearance differences.  I don't think you could possibly confuse the two.
 
2014-06-09 10:42:10 AM
Too bad this didn't happen when Roger Clemens was playing
 
2014-06-09 10:50:06 AM
"I know there was a hard tag, but you look at it on video, it's a normal tag. No big deal," Jaso said. "You start to think, Who does this guy think he is? The game should be played the right way and when it's not, people should be told a certain way.

And for his part, Jaso correctly observed the unwritten rule that says if you're the first one out of the dugout, you need to (1) slow down just enough so the first base coach can intercept you on the way to the batter, (2) flail about while others hold you back, and then (3) wander around at the periphery of the gathering while yelling at the batter. Perfectly executed, Mr. Jaso.
 
2014-06-09 11:00:39 AM
Don't have a dog in the fight, but if you're going to hit the guy, just man up and hit him.  None of this buzzing the dude multiple times bullshiat.
 
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