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(The Raw Story)   Bow tie enthusiast Tucker Carlson defends truck driver who critically injured Tracy Morgan and killed Jimmy Mack. Because sleep driving isn't always reckless, you guys   (rawstory.com) divider line 82
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2014-06-08 09:36:17 PM  
11 votes:
What Tucker really meant was it wasn't reckless because no white people were hurt.
2014-06-08 09:33:15 PM  
10 votes:

Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?


And the damnedest thing is, there's a reason WHY these guys drive themselves to the point of almost fatigue - razor thin delivery schedules from corporate buyers with low compensation for the work required.

That point won't get addressed.
2014-06-08 09:00:20 PM  
8 votes:
Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?
2014-06-08 10:20:30 PM  
7 votes:

SaladMonkey: Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still


Sleep is a biological imperative, driving is not. Driving isn't even a right, it's a privilege. The effect of driving sleepy are equatable to driving drunk and people die just as easily.

Yes he needed to sleep. He needed to sleep so badly he did so involuntarily, what he didn't need to do was drive in that condition. I'm not saying he should be crucified, but he certainly shouldn't be excused.
2014-06-08 08:47:42 PM  
7 votes:

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


So it's okay if he fell asleep and killed somebody, because he drives a lot?

I don't know if this was an accident, or if he was reckless, but saying I can't judge someone who (if it turns out he did) falls asleep at the wheel because I'm not a trucker is ridiculous.

I agree he is innocent until proven guilty, and since there's no evidence yet that he fell asleep, we shouldn't assume he did, but the "walk a mile in his shoes" argument doesn't fly if he caused the death of someone by falling asleep at the wheel.
2014-06-08 10:39:30 PM  
6 votes:
2014-06-08 09:43:55 PM  
6 votes:

Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?


Because if a driver gets 10 years for falling asleep at the wheel, people are going to start asking questions of Wal-Mart and other companies about what kind of policies they have in place with regards to making sure drivers are getting enough sleep. Drivers are going to start telling stories about how they got pressured to drive X number of miles in Y number of hours, stories of other drivers falling asleep and running into cars not containing famous black comedians will start surfacing, and all of the sudden Wal-Mart's cost to move freight from point A to B are costing them about a dollar more a mile.
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-06-08 09:38:10 PM  
6 votes:
When Jon Stewart showed what an absolute ass he was on Crossfire he should have never gotten another job.  Tucker Carlson is the biggest idiot on TV today, and that's a VERY high bar.
2014-06-08 09:44:12 PM  
5 votes:

steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.


He's not defending him but he's pretty slow in that the guy he was interviewing had to spell it out to him in plain English on why the charges were so severe.

"I'm not trying to take anything away from the tragedy of this," Carlson replied. "But 10 years in jail for falling asleep? It strikes me as very different from taking drugs, drinking. Has that ever happened? Has anybody ever actually gone to jail for falling asleep?"
"For falling asleep and causing a death?" Schwartz asked. "Absolutely."

"But, I mean sometimes people - and I'm not defending anyone here," Carlson continued. "I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness - does it unintentionally, nods off is a criminal."

"Tucker, if you're driving a 16-wheel truck, a truck for Walmart, and you're on the roads for the state of New Jersey, and you're drowsy and you fall asleep, it's certainly an act of recklessness," the attorney insisted. "Not an intentional murder, but it's an act of recklessness. And that's where this reckless homicide comes in."

Long story short, Tucker is a real dumbass.
2014-06-08 09:41:16 PM  
5 votes:

eejack: What Tucker really meant was it wasn't reckless because no white people were hurt Walmart was involved.



It is strange that he comments on this accident. Does he comment on other accidents that involve semi's? Or does he only comment on accidents involving Walmart semi's because if it is found out the guy did fall asleep, then Walmart will come under scrutiny for the way it handles its drivers.
2014-06-09 01:51:51 AM  
4 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: fark this guy and fark truck drivers who put their paycheck over the safety of every single person they share those roads with.


Pretty much this.

As a trucker I can easily understand the vitriol we get. I have been driving for roughly 9 months now. I love it. The company I drive for is rather large and our main goal is safety, so much so that delayed loads are forgiven for matters of weather or fatigue. From the time I am done for the day I have 10hrs (sometimes more but a minimum of 10) to eat, sleep, shower and shave.

I have been in situations where I have had to pull off and rest. I either inform my company that I will be delayed or if I am running on time I take no action. DOZING OFF WHILST IN MOTION IS UNFORGIVABLE. I am in favor of treating accidents like this as a DUI.

I am not saying I am perfect as I am still new however my paycheck is not worth the few seconds that could potentially kill a person. I also perform a task, I am not under the impression that I am to be worshipped as a god because I haul things. That example would be like saying the McDonalds worker should be worshipped because he feeds the masses. Of course my example sucks.

Anyway, the current rule is fine. 70Hrs in an 8 day period. A good chunk of that time also includes inspection, time at shipper/receiver and other things.

/Maybe I tried too hard
//Maybe nobody cares
///Maybe slashies
2014-06-09 12:21:36 AM  
4 votes:

SaladMonkey: Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still


Newsflash: No matter your reason for driving around tired, you are still putting yourself and every other person the road at risk when you selfishly make the decision to get behind the wheel and start tooling around when you should be trying to catch a nap.

Your excuse doesn't matter. You are not important enough that your trip can't wait 20 minutes while you rest.
2014-06-08 10:39:31 PM  
4 votes:
People, the mere fact that you did not intend harm does not absolve you from being responsible when you do harm.

The term "accident" does not mean "nobody's at fault".  If I'm on the jury, and, in fact, the proximate cause of this wreck turns out to be he fell asleep, then he's gonna do some time.
2014-06-08 10:18:49 PM  
4 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Mrtraveler01: Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.

You know a guy died right?

Yes. Because I'm not an idiot.

So did 93 other people in cars that day. 331 people died from various accidents that day too. Lots of people die in accidents. In addition to everything else that kills people

Is it a tragedy to the people who knew the man who died? Of course. Should there be a civil case? Of course. Should the truck driver (assuming he wasn't on anything) go to jail for ten years? No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?


Because he is a commercial driver, he is held to regulations that when not followed, he is criminally neglecting his job responsibilities.  The laws for truckers is not equal to non-commercial drivers, because non-commercial drivers do not spend 70 hours/week moving up to 40 tons down the road.  Even if they decided to not file criminal charges, his commercial insurance record( I know of it, but I'm not sure what it's really called) will list him as non-hirable.  He'll never drive big trucks again, as it would be the dumbest idea for any trucking company to hire a sleepy driver who killed.
2014-06-08 09:42:28 PM  
4 votes:

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


Drunk driving is technically an accident, so let's not charge someone who's piss-drunk and strikes a pedestrian! And a gun going off accidentally is also an accident, even if the person handling the weapon accidentally kills someone--so there goes any charge of negligent homicide, too!

Tucker Carlson was an asshat when I woke up this morning, he's an asshat now, and he will forever be a (gap-toothed) asshat.

/Thank god he no longer wears bow ties
//Yes, I wear bow ties
///But I'm not an asshat
2014-06-08 08:51:37 PM  
4 votes:
I think you'll find sleeping in front of the wheel is, in fact, always dangerous.l
2014-06-08 08:38:34 PM  
4 votes:

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


So if the log books are in order, the wreck didn't happen?
2014-06-08 08:15:42 PM  
4 votes:
STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.
2014-06-08 10:28:40 PM  
3 votes:

steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.


Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless
2014-06-08 10:19:01 PM  
3 votes:

LineNoise: What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?


They could scale back their delivery schedules by 24 hours as a way to encourage drivers to be more careful. A 4 hour construction delay or a traffic congestion around a major city wouldn't force these guys to drive extra long to make up the required hours.

Walmart has the size and money to do it, and could very easily set an industry standard by adopting that rule. "Give your workers a little more time for safety or you'll never get another Walmart contract again" would send a pretty clear message.
2014-06-08 10:11:27 PM  
3 votes:
Has anyone found a Tucker Carlson quote urging people not to rush to judgement on Sgt Berghdal?  I can't seem to find it, but it has to be out there since Tucker is a paragon of reason and tempered debate.
2014-06-08 10:09:50 PM  
3 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Is it a tragedy to the people who knew the man who died? Of course. Should there be a civil case? Of course. Should the truck driver (assuming he wasn't on anything) go to jail for ten years? No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?


If you kill someone even if it was negligent, you should go to jail.

Do you think the sentence is too long? I'm sure his attorney's will be able to talk it down a few years.
2014-06-08 09:52:49 PM  
3 votes:

Mrtraveler01: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

He's not defending him but he's pretty slow in that the guy he was interviewing had to spell it out to him in plain English on why the charges were so severe.

"I'm not trying to take anything away from the tragedy of this," Carlson replied. "But 10 years in jail for falling asleep? It strikes me as very different from taking drugs, drinking. Has that ever happened? Has anybody ever actually gone to jail for falling asleep?"
"For falling asleep and causing a death?" Schwartz asked. "Absolutely."

"But, I mean sometimes people - and I'm not defending anyone here," Carlson continued. "I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness - does it unintentionally, nods off is a criminal."
"Tucker, if you're driving a 16-wheel truck, a truck for Walmart, and you're on the roads for the state of New Jersey, and you're drowsy and you fall asleep, it's certainly an act of recklessness," the attorney insisted. "Not an intentional murder, but it's an act of recklessness. And that's where this reckless homicide comes in."

Long story short, Tucker is a real dumbass.


Tucker Carlson was defending the truck driver. Most claims otherwise miss the mark.

It is amazing to me how every time someone says something like "I'm not defending anyone," they end up offering a defense of someone. It's just like someone saying "I'm not a racist, but..." and then following it up with something racist.
2014-06-08 09:50:54 PM  
3 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?

And the damnedest thing is, there's a reason WHY these guys drive themselves to the point of almost fatigue - razor thin delivery schedules from corporate buyers with low compensation for the work required.

That point won't get addressed.


THAT is a conversation worth having. THAT would have been a comment worth making. Saying it's not really reckless or a crime is not.
2014-06-08 09:50:27 PM  
3 votes:
Tucker Carlson is lucky that you can't go to prison just for being an idiot and making moronic statements on TV.  Otherwise he'd be facing a life sentence.
2014-06-08 09:47:50 PM  
3 votes:

d23: When Jon Stewart showed what an absolute ass he was on Crossfire he should have never gotten another job.  Tucker Carlson is the biggest idiot on TV today, and that's a VERY high bar.


Have you SEEN Fox New's line-up? And I'm not even talking the primetime clowns--the morning show, the pre-morning show show, hell even the afternoon morons (with the exception of Shepard Smith, since he at least seems competent). It's as though the requirements to be on that channel go something like this:

Men: Must be willing to shill for whatever talking point is polling popularly among conservatives. Hair not necessary. Good hair advised against.

Women: Must have good legs.

No mention of intelligence or the ability to reason, though. That's LIEBRUL GUBMINT INTERFEERANCE!
2014-06-08 09:43:04 PM  
3 votes:

steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.


Fox news isn't news. It's just the TV equivalent of when angry old men would gather together to shiat on everything and cry on each other's shoulder. Eventually there will be a Fox News For Women which will invent gossip for nutty grandmas.
2014-06-09 02:10:53 AM  
2 votes:
Both Carlson and the trucker are assholes.

In the 20+ years I spent as a claims adjuster, many of them as an on call outside adjuster, I handled one hell of a lot of MVAs and a good many of them semi accidents where I got called out in the middle of the night to the scene.  Let me tell you, at least 90% of the semi accidents where the semi driver swore up and down "I swerved to miss a deer."  Bullshiat. in every case, they had either fallen asleep at the wheel or were drunk off their asses and I was usually able to prove it.


These guys were keeping double sets of books on driving and resting times.  They'd trot out the doctored books after an accident, but a good investigator  or cop knew to look for the real books.  It's harder now to pull that shiat, what with trucks equipped with GPS transponders that report back times and positions in real time and record same.


However, truth be told, a lot of the abuse was due to pressure from owners and shippers to get the cargo from point A to point B in the least time possible.  It just invited abuse.
2014-06-09 01:34:57 AM  
2 votes:
I would never blame a commercial driver for falling asleep.

Because I know the INSANE hours they are usually expected to drive, and rightly place all of that blame with companies and the government for legally allowing it. They shouldn't be allowed to drive an hour over 40 per week. It's absolutely farking insane what companies are allowed to get away with, and what people will endure for a job. If I got that little sleep I would literally go insane (my depression would return strongly), and yet we allow people to drive huge commercial vehicles on punishing schedules that don't allow them enough sleep.
2014-06-08 11:10:13 PM  
2 votes:

TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.

Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.


No there aren't.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay child support.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay your taxes.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay your taxes, or commit fraud.  You don't go to jail if your dog mauls someone who was poking it with a stick.  Hell, in most, if not all, states you aren't even civilly liable if your dog attacks someone who provoked it.
2014-06-08 11:07:41 PM  
2 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Why anyone on here would care...oh wait, right. a famous person is involved.


Really?
Why would I care if lots of semi drivers are nodding off behind the wheel?
In general, it's because I am often on the same roads.
Nothing at all to do with Tracy Morgan.

I AM AT RISK WHEN YOU OTHER ASSHOLES DRIVE DISTRACTED.
2014-06-08 10:48:19 PM  
2 votes:
Carlson is a bit of a jerk, but he has a point.

Yes falling asleep on the wheel is serious.   It is a common cause of accidents.  There also many other causes of accidents that the driver is at fault.    But the simple reality is that most every driver is guilty of something that could have caused a fatal accident.  If this driver deserves ten years, then so does every single person who has ever driven while too tired.   The difference between this guy and a thousand others is that he was the one whose recklessness resulted in a death and the thousands of others merely could have.  Will locking him up teach him a lesson that he has has not already learned?  No.  Will locking him up deter anyone?  No.   Maybe the justice system needs to worry about acting in such a way that makes our world better instead of being vengeance for the sake of vengeance.   We can't bring back those who are killed by accidents no matter what we do to those who cause accidents and no matter what we do to their families.

And to anyone who denies doing something that could have gotten someone killed.  You are either lying to yourself or your just plain lying.
2014-06-08 10:17:08 PM  
2 votes:
Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.
2014-06-08 10:12:52 PM  
2 votes:
Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still
2014-06-08 10:06:18 PM  
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.

You know a guy died right?


Yes. Because I'm not an idiot.

So did 93 other people in cars that day. 331 people died from various accidents that day too. Lots of people die in accidents. In addition to everything else that kills people

Is it a tragedy to the people who knew the man who died? Of course. Should there be a civil case? Of course. Should the truck driver (assuming he wasn't on anything) go to jail for ten years? No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?
2014-06-08 09:57:48 PM  
2 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.


You know a guy died right?
2014-06-08 09:54:32 PM  
2 votes:
Raising speed limits and shortening the mandatory rest periods for truckers means more people are gonna die this year in worse accidents. We could stop it, but corporations might have to raise prices an extra half a cent, so fark that, get the power washers and shovels out.
2014-06-08 09:50:54 PM  
2 votes:

d23: When Jon Stewart showed what an absolute ass he was on Crossfire he should have never gotten another job.  Tucker Carlson is the biggest idiot on TV today, and that's a VERY high bar.


You're talking about a network that has this guy on to talk about foreign policy:

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2014-06-08 09:48:59 PM  
2 votes:
Tucker Carlson's certainly entitled to his opinion.

But - should there be a cost for falling asleep behind the wheel of a tractor trailer, then plowing into a line of stopped cars? I would certainly hope so. And I hope the cost is significant enough to act as a deterrent. And I hope WalMart incurs a significant financial penalty for this as well, so they institute some sort of policy to mitigate drowsy driving.
2014-06-08 09:39:15 PM  
2 votes:
Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.
2014-06-08 09:34:11 PM  
2 votes:
Good thing he got his sleep in. Will probably want to keep his eyes open in prison.
2014-06-08 08:43:48 PM  
2 votes:
It would be a refreshing note of subtlety if he just volunteered to be the human porta-john at the Walton Family Reunion.
2014-06-09 11:58:28 AM  
1 votes:

TommyymmoT: I've BEEN in jail...

[snip]

Tommy, me boy, you're among my favorite Farkers, so this pains me, but...

You don't see the distinctions between what you enumerate, and the original claims?

Because there are very distinct distinguishing factors in each instance, and you wrote them out for us:

Unprovoked
dog attacks.

Refusal to pay tax, not inability.

See?

And I'm pretty sure the "Landlord's dogs maul female lawyer to death" case actually was this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Whipple

Which is rather different that what you describe, so...
2014-06-09 09:49:20 AM  
1 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: I can't tell who should I hate more?

A.  The Trucker
B.  The Tucker
C.  Walmart
D.  Fox News


D.

/ always D.
2014-06-09 04:44:36 AM  
1 votes:

RelativeEase: Look carlson is certainly a douche guy, but him asking whether falling asleep is necessarily reckless is hardly contemptible.


No, it is completely contemptible.  He tried to make a point that sleeping isn't reckless while the entire topic was sleeping behind the wheel of a moving 18 wheeler barreling down the highway.  It's the disassociation that makes his part in the discussion completely asinine.
It's like saying that millions of kids go to school every day, should that really lead to prison time?  Well when a kid goes to school and shoots some teachers and classmates, yes it should lead to prison time.
2014-06-09 03:15:24 AM  
1 votes:
I used to do a lot of long distance driving, especially at night, but not as a trucker, and I know two things: hard pushed truckers can and have fallen asleep at the wheel and those long, boring stretches of interstate highways can be hell to drive without starting to nod off, especially if you spend hours behind the wheel.

Years back, the TV stations broadcast a safety campaign telling you that if you were traveling long distances and were tired, to pull over and grab a nap. Safety first. Shortly after I found out that in the State of Florida, if you did so, especially at night, the Highway Patrol could ticket or arrest you.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Truckers used to pull into the Florida Turnpike way stations at night and grab a few hours of sleep -- at least until the way stations started going down hill. On I-95 it can be quite a distance between exits and if you do exit, you might not want to risk pulling over to nap because of the area you can wind up in. It's also not real wise to do so at the rest stops, especially at late night.

I used to be a courier and drove a small truck hundreds of miles a day, always having to fight the clock. Since I worked a 13 hour day most of the time, I was tired a lot and when I got a delivery way out in the middle of nowhere, those damn long, empty roads that I traveled at around 80 mph made my eyelids feel like lead weights, I'd fight to keep from dozing off, occasionally I even fell asleep for a couple of seconds. When I could, I stopped, got out of the truck and walked around or sat there with my eyes shut, but the clock kept ticking and if I ran late I caught hell.

Sometimes in the middle of the day I had to drive 40 miles along I-95 to one of the company bases, and even with the heavy traffic, I'd find myself nodding.

If I wanted to keep my job, I had to do what I had to do, just like the other drivers. It got harder when the company insisted on inserting 10:00 am delivery deadlines for certain freight, meaning I had to run miles past my usual customers, deliver the timed package, turn around, get all of the folks I missed, turn around and make another sweep to get the customers who were a couple of blocks off the main roads.

After I left the company it took me a year to stop driving as if the fires of hell were after me. I don't even like to make the 40 minute drive to the next city now. (As a courier, I cut that time in half.)

A lot of truckers are pushed hard to perform. Bosses tell them about the regulations and not to speed, then threaten to fire them if they don't get to their customers on time. (That's what Airborne Express did to us.)
2014-06-09 01:21:02 AM  
1 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?

And the damnedest thing is, there's a reason WHY these guys drive themselves to the point of almost fatigue - razor thin delivery schedules from corporate buyers with low compensation for the work required.

That point won't get addressed.


This.
2014-06-09 12:31:03 AM  
1 votes:
A driver who is knowingly pushing himself beyond a reasonable lack of rest is intentionally doing something dangerous; a driver who has had areasonable amount of sleep in the past 24 hours and has taken breaks with reasonable frequency and nonetheless inadvertently dozes off for a second  shouldn't get any driving awards but is in a different category when it comes to his culpability.

Failing to watch the road and missing an obvious obstacle in your lane can lead to someone's death too, but I'd say there's a big moral/legal difference depending whether the reason is "he was trying to see how long he could keep his eyes closedwithout leaving his lane" or"he had filled his car with unrestrained badgers" or"he glanced at the person in the passenger seat" or "he sneezed at an
inopportune  time."

There's a good chance, for obvious reasons, that a sleeping trucker was making reckless decisions, but it requires more information than "he fell asleep"
to make that call, IMO.
2014-06-08 11:53:20 PM  
1 votes:

TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.

Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.

No there aren't.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay child support.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay your taxes.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay your taxes, or commit fraud.  You don't go to jail if your dog mauls someone who was poking it with a stick.  Hell, in most, if not all, states you aren't even civilly liable if your dog attacks someone who provoked it.
====================

I've BEEN in jail with people that didn't pay child support, so stop talking out of your ass.
They even take their drivers licenses away, not that it makes any sense.

A woman 8 miles away from me was recently sentenced to 6 months for letting her dogs run free, (despite repeated warnings) and they bit someone.

There was case in NYC a few years ago in which a building superintendent's dog got free and mauled a female lawyer to death.
He was in Rikers for close to a year.

Then again, I don't live in a backwards state like Louisiana.

People don't go to jail for not paying taxes?
Wesley Snipes would beg to differ, as would thousands of others.


If you lose your job, get demoted, etc., you just have to ask the court for a modification of support.  Did the female lawyer provoke the dog by poking it with a stick before it attacked her?  Wesley Snipes didn't go to jail for not being able to afford to pay taxes.  He went to jail for tax evasion.  Tax evasion involves the intentional nonpayment of taxes.  But, congratulations on your geographic location.
2014-06-08 11:48:58 PM  
1 votes:
You are responsible for what you do when you get behind the wheel.
You are responsible for staying away from the driver's seat if you cannot drive safely.
2014-06-08 11:36:45 PM  
1 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


Not just us: there have been studies that confirm it. Here's one: http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1162167

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports that about 100000 accidents per year are caused by fatigued/sleepy drivers. Granted, that's a very small number when we average around 30 million MVAs per year (33 million in 2009, couldn't find anything more recent and was too lazy to look terribly hard), but it's not insignificant, which is why there are records kept on the statistic.
2014-06-08 11:34:52 PM  
1 votes:

sirrerun: Sail The Wide Accountancy: Why anyone on here would care...oh wait, right. a famous person is involved.

Really?
Why would I care if lots of semi drivers are nodding off behind the wheel?
In general, it's because I am often on the same roads.
Nothing at all to do with Tracy Morgan.

I AM AT RISK WHEN YOU OTHER ASSHOLES DRIVE DISTRACTED.


HEAR HEAR! I'm a pedestrian, which oftentimes means walking close to roadways. When drivers nod off, it puts me at great risk.

(CSB: Some old f*cker who wasn't paying attention in a McDonald's parking lot hit me because, as he said, his Big Mac had pickles on it. He lost focus, hit me, and angered the living hell out of my dickey hip over some motherf*cking pickles. Let me just say that I am glad for [legal] narcotics.)
2014-06-08 11:22:55 PM  
1 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Should they be removed from society? If all you want is revenge, then sure.


So even if he killed someone, what kind of punishment do you think he deserves?
2014-06-08 10:52:02 PM  
1 votes:

umad: SunsetLament: Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."

Fark that. Keep in control of the god damned 2 ton guided missile you are piloting or rot in prison where you belong. You can farking sleep/text/check your facebook at home where you are supposed to. I am sympathetic for people who kill somebody in a wreck because of mechanical failure, animal jumping through the windshield etc.

But if the accident is caused by the driver, then fark the driver. We coddle our drivers too much already. A good number of you deserve to be flogged for the way you drive.


Amen.

I live along Interstate 70 and drive that road very often. Driving on that road has made me hate trucks and truck drivers and make me think they're all a bunch of assholes.

They're either driving too fast or driving too slow, and when they're driving too slow, they happen to be in the middle lane.

I'm actually surprised accidents like these don't happen more often.
2014-06-08 10:48:11 PM  
1 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


Well one gets you in a fatal wreck and...oh wait, they both do.
2014-06-08 10:38:23 PM  
1 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


The law in a lot if states says yes.
2014-06-08 10:28:11 PM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: SaladMonkey: Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still

Sleep is a biological imperative, driving is not. Driving isn't even a right, it's a privilege. The effect of driving sleepy are equatable to driving drunk and people die just as easily.

Yes he needed to sleep. He needed to sleep so badly he did so involuntarily, what he didn't need to do was drive in that condition. I'm not saying he should be crucified, but he certainly shouldn't be excused.


I'm not sure we disagree.  My point is that recklessness is too high a charge for what may have happened.  Driving tired, just like taking your eyes off the road to look at the radio, is a risk.  Driving tired is obviously a bigger risk and should be punished if it results in a death.  However, 10 years in jail is figurative "crucifixion."  I don't believe falling asleep at the wheel should ever rise beyond negligence, unless there are extenuating circumstances like it's the third day without sleep.
2014-06-08 10:25:15 PM  
1 votes:

Atharaenea: lack of warmth: Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.

A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.

http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9208855/


I think the issue is then either Indiana doesn't prosecute cases of vehicular manslaughter aggressively enough, or perhaps New Jersey overdoes it. Your opening salvo sounded to me as if your example was of an incident ALSO in New Jersey which would have been more supportive of your point.
2014-06-08 10:19:14 PM  
1 votes:
Christ, what an asshole.
2014-06-08 10:15:37 PM  
1 votes:

steamingpile: In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.


The problem is that very often when people say "I'm not defending _____, but..." they're about to say something defending _____." And Tucker Carlson used up his allotted "benefit of the doubt" chips years ago.
2014-06-08 10:14:07 PM  
1 votes:
But the sad part is, this guy gets 10 years. Wal-Mart? Probably not even a fine.
2014-06-08 10:13:37 PM  
1 votes:
In other words Carlson is asking the same questions are judicial system and a jury will ask, but Tucker Carlson, bow ties, and fox news oh my.
2014-06-08 10:12:51 PM  
1 votes:
"I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness "

And carbon dioxide is good for plants, and therefore can't be a cause of global warming.
2014-06-08 10:12:41 PM  
1 votes:

Dwindle: Few people realize driving while drowsy is akin to driving drunk and is charged the same.


crow202.org
2014-06-08 10:10:25 PM  
1 votes:
Few people realize driving while drowsy is akin to driving drunk and is charged the same.
I have suffered a lifetime of insomnia, come close many times to almost causing a serious accident, and I know my number will come up sooner or later.

#legalizemethforsafedriving
2014-06-08 10:10:07 PM  
1 votes:
Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."
2014-06-08 10:09:11 PM  
1 votes:

Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.


A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.
2014-06-08 10:04:35 PM  
1 votes:

Big Ramifications: [img.fark.net image 443x278]


Oh... this seems appropriate, too.

img2u.info

Truck drivers are required to have so much "down time" for so much "drive time" - but they often "cook the books". I worked on electronic logging back in the mid 90s... but there is only so much people can do.

At any rate, the trucker should have known he was tired and found a place to stop his rig and rest. Unfortunately, areas closer to big cities tend to be populated with asshole drivers, in my experience. Short-haul drivers who have become accustomed to the nastiness of those highways and apathetic to everybody else on the road.
2014-06-08 10:04:17 PM  
1 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.


The difference is that most of them don't do that job for a living, and most of them aren't specifically trained to avoid sleep driving.

In any case, I do feel bad for the driver, who I'm sure never wanted anyone to die, and was most likely only pushing himself to meet the ludicrous demands placed on him by his employer. Even so, I would be supportive of punishment if it was discovered that he did break regulations.
2014-06-08 10:00:07 PM  
1 votes:

Trocadero: [31.media.tumblr.com image 500x609]
This guy looks okay in a bow tie. Don't worry, he doesn't eat cats.


Also looks good in a bow tie:

www.themindrobber.co.uk
2014-06-08 09:58:14 PM  
1 votes:

RelativeEase: Look carlson is certainly a douche guy, but him asking whether falling asleep is necessarily reckless is hardly contemptible.


I would like to think that it's pretty obvious that driving while tired should be considered reckless.
2014-06-08 09:57:26 PM  
1 votes:

boinkingbill: Considering Tracy Morgan wasn't all that funny, the driver shouldn't be charged at all.


I don't find you funny. Can I kill you?
2014-06-08 09:57:00 PM  
1 votes:
Bow tie enthusiast T-


cdn.gifbay.com
2014-06-08 09:56:57 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: d23: When Jon Stewart showed what an absolute ass he was on Crossfire he should have never gotten another job.  Tucker Carlson is the biggest idiot on TV today, and that's a VERY high bar.

You're talking about a network that has this guy on to talk about foreign policy:

[marinephotos.togetherweserved.com image 517x450]


They also think the Wasilla Snowbilly Grifter is capable of talking about politics in general. And a guy who was kicked out of the American Psychiatric Association is totally their go-to guy for mental health information. Oh, and they have Geraldo Rivera.
2014-06-08 09:56:38 PM  
1 votes:
I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.
2014-06-08 09:48:54 PM  
1 votes:

nytmare: No one puts down Bill Nye for wearing a bow tie. But when you're a douchecanoe, all of a sudden bow ties are a bad thing. It's like you can't catch a break if you're a twatwaffle.


Actually it looks stupid on him too.
2014-06-08 09:46:00 PM  
1 votes:

spunkymunky: Maybe it wasn't accidental. Perhaps this truck driver just wanted to rid the world of another "comedian" who isn't actually funny. If so, this was probably just a practice run for Dane Cook, that "ventriloquist" guy with the racist puppet and Jim Davis.


Wow, someone really hates Monday's.
2014-06-08 09:44:51 PM  
1 votes:
No one puts down Bill Nye for wearing a bow tie. But when you're a douchecanoe, all of a sudden bow ties are a bad thing. It's like you can't catch a break if you're a twatwaffle.
2014-06-08 09:44:49 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe it wasn't accidental. Perhaps this truck driver just wanted to rid the world of another "comedian" who isn't actually funny. If so, this was probably just a practice run for Dane Cook, that "ventriloquist" guy with the racist puppet and Jim Davis.
2014-06-08 09:32:01 PM  
1 votes:

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


Good one, you'll get bites.
2014-06-08 09:31:57 PM  
1 votes:
My brother fell asleep driving once and ran into a row of parked cars. I know I have been close and powered through by sheer willpower. I once drove alone from Massachusetts to West Texas without stopping. I have no idea what point I am trying to make.
2014-06-08 08:50:44 PM  
1 votes:
Some of these trucks have beds in them.  Who can you blame there?
 
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