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2014-06-08 10:24:02 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: LineNoise: What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?

They could scale back their delivery schedules by 24 hours as a way to encourage drivers to be more careful. A 4 hour construction delay or a traffic congestion around a major city wouldn't force these guys to drive extra long to make up the required hours.

Walmart has the size and money to do it, and could very easily set an industry standard by adopting that rule. "Give your workers a little more time for safety or you'll never get another Walmart contract again" would send a pretty clear message.


Has anything come out saying this guy was pulling crazy hours or doing something elswise dangerous to meet a walmart schedule? Or are you just assuming shiat because you want to hate on a company?

If this guy was falsifying logs, sure, lock him up. If this guy was ignoring other regulations, lock him up. If walmart was shown to be doing anything to encourage that behavior, sue the pants off them. Absolutely.

But if he was within regulations, walmart did nothing wrong. Take it up with your congressman to change the DOT regulations for what a trucker can work to be whatever you deem safe (ignoring the fact that those regulations were determined by actual experts in the field).

Oh, and then don't come complaining when every product suddenly doubles in price because now the cost of shipping it has to factor in a team of drivers that switches out every hour to make sure everyone is fresh and in compliance.
 
2014-06-08 10:24:10 PM  
I feel like the only reason he's under arrest is because there's someone famous involved. Anyone else feel that way? Are there laws in Jersey that specifically state driving while tired is illegal? I understand it is reckless, but I rarely hear about people getting arrested for it unless it is a trucker who fudged paperwork. Last year a trucker killed a state trooper and put a highway worker in the hospital for months and it wasn't until weeks later that it was verified that he had in fact been fudging paperwork did they arrest him.
 
2014-06-08 10:25:15 PM  

Atharaenea: lack of warmth: Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.

A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.

http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9208855/


I think the issue is then either Indiana doesn't prosecute cases of vehicular manslaughter aggressively enough, or perhaps New Jersey overdoes it. Your opening salvo sounded to me as if your example was of an incident ALSO in New Jersey which would have been more supportive of your point.
 
2014-06-08 10:25:47 PM  

Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.


Literally no one is in jail for those things.
 
2014-06-08 10:28:11 PM  

Ambivalence: SaladMonkey: Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still

Sleep is a biological imperative, driving is not. Driving isn't even a right, it's a privilege. The effect of driving sleepy are equatable to driving drunk and people die just as easily.

Yes he needed to sleep. He needed to sleep so badly he did so involuntarily, what he didn't need to do was drive in that condition. I'm not saying he should be crucified, but he certainly shouldn't be excused.


I'm not sure we disagree.  My point is that recklessness is too high a charge for what may have happened.  Driving tired, just like taking your eyes off the road to look at the radio, is a risk.  Driving tired is obviously a bigger risk and should be punished if it results in a death.  However, 10 years in jail is figurative "crucifixion."  I don't believe falling asleep at the wheel should ever rise beyond negligence, unless there are extenuating circumstances like it's the third day without sleep.
 
2014-06-08 10:28:40 PM  

steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.


Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless
 
2014-06-08 10:29:20 PM  

nytmare: No one puts down Bill Nye for wearing a bow tie. But when you're a douchecanoe, all of a sudden bow ties are a bad thing. It's like you can't catch a break if you're a twatwaffle.


The degree to which you take yourself seriously determines where you fall on the Bow Tie Douchenozzle Spectrum, where zero equals "endearing" and values greater than zero are proportional to the square of your douchenozzle score.
 
2014-06-08 10:29:33 PM  

cirby: lack of warmth:
A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.

Neither do you.

The actual details that are known? A truck driver hit a small bus and killed/injured several people. It happened at about 1 AM. The truck driver has been charged. The police say that they have no indication that the driver was asleep. That's about it for pertinent information.

The cause could have been the driver falling asleep. Or a driver who wasn't paying enough attention. Or a driver who was looking at his GPS instead of the road. Or any of a large number of other things, ranging from mechanical failure to just plain bad driving.

But for some reason, since the truck was a Wal-Mart truck, a whole lot of folks immediately grabbed onto the "he was asleep because WAL-MART is EVIL!"


Sloth is one of the seven deadly sins. QED.
 
2014-06-08 10:34:00 PM  

LineNoise: Has anything come out saying this guy was pulling crazy hours or doing something elswise dangerous to meet a walmart schedule? Or are you just assuming shiat because you want to hate on a company?


He fell asleep while driving after being certified as a professional driver. Trucking companies are seriously shat upon to meet guidelines with timing intervals that are JUST at the legal limit by the DOT. My dislike for Walmart is not exclusive, every major retailer does it.

If this guy was falsifying logs, sure, lock him up. If this guy was ignoring other regulations, lock him up. If walmart was shown to be doing anything to encourage that behavior, sue the pants off them. Absolutely.

But if he was within regulations, walmart did nothing wrong. Take it up with your congressman to change the DOT regulations for what a trucker can work to be whatever you deem safe (ignoring the fact that those regulations were determined by actual experts in the field).


Completely agree on the second and about 90% of the third. Not sure where I said I was an expert on DOT safety, so I'll just assume you're being an asshole rather than a troll.

Oh, and then don't come complaining when every product suddenly doubles in price because now the cost of shipping it has to factor in a team of drivers that switches out every hour to make sure everyone is fresh and in compliance.

Three problems with your paragraph:
1. It's a ridiculous absurdity. No one in this thread is asking for a team of people
2. How does allowing latency in a contract result in a price increase? A trucker pulling off to a rest area because he's tired and able to take a slightly longer break doesn't change his insurance, gas, or depreciation
3. Even if we assume that 2 actually happens, I'm okay with paying more knowing that the cargo was delivered safely and the workers were compensated fairly. (Also, doubling is a hyperbolic idiocy)
 
2014-06-08 10:35:15 PM  
If fox is defending it, some rich a$$hole somewhere is has money at stake. I'm assuming it's walmart.

I feel for the driver and the victims. I can't imagine how awful it would feel to kill someone because I did something stupid.
 
2014-06-08 10:35:19 PM  

haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless


Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.
 
2014-06-08 10:35:51 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Long story short, Tucker is a real dumbass.

 
2014-06-08 10:38:21 PM  
No more Raw Story links, plz
 
2014-06-08 10:38:23 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


The law in a lot if states says yes.
 
2014-06-08 10:39:30 PM  
 
2014-06-08 10:39:31 PM  
People, the mere fact that you did not intend harm does not absolve you from being responsible when you do harm.

The term "accident" does not mean "nobody's at fault".  If I'm on the jury, and, in fact, the proximate cause of this wreck turns out to be he fell asleep, then he's gonna do some time.
 
2014-06-08 10:40:47 PM  

CantConfirmOrDeny: People, the mere fact that you did not intend harm does not absolve you from being responsible when you do harm.

The term "accident" does not mean "nobody's at fault".  If I'm on the jury, and, in fact, the proximate cause of this wreck turns out to be he fell asleep, then he's gonna do some time.


One can argue that 10 years is too extreme, but yeah, he should be locked away for a small amount of time in the least.
 
2014-06-08 10:42:07 PM  

cirby: lack of warmth:
A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.

Neither do you.

The actual details that are known? A truck driver hit a small bus and killed/injured several people. It happened at about 1 AM. The truck driver has been charged. The police say that they have no indication that the driver was asleep. That's about it for pertinent information.

The cause could have been the driver falling asleep. Or a driver who wasn't paying enough attention. Or a driver who was looking at his GPS instead of the road. Or any of a large number of other things, ranging from mechanical failure to just plain bad driving.

But for some reason, since the truck was a Wal-Mart truck, a whole lot of folks immediately grabbed onto the "he was asleep because WAL-MART is EVIL!"


My statement was towards a separate accident, so WTH are you talking about?

Atharaenea: lack of warmth: Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.

A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.

http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9208855/


I looked it up, and it seems he wasn't charged because they couldn't prove he was negligent.  Yes, he had a terrible record, but the police couldn't find enough evidence of neglect because he was sober, awake and not speeding.  Tragic, yes very much so, but it is always about the proof, and I hope he isn't driving anymore.  The driver in the Morgan wreck must not have had his book in order, which is why a lot of companies are forcing the electronic book keeping for their truckers.  If they try to cheat it, they'll probably get caught much faster.
 
2014-06-08 10:44:02 PM  
"I can only imagine the guilt that he's already feeling," Fox News co-host Anna Kooiman observed.

Of course she can only imagine, she work at Fox News. Not being able to feel guilt is pretty much required.
 
2014-06-08 10:44:19 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


Yes, thousands of people a year are killed by sleeping drivers.  More than half of all accidents involve sleep-deprived drivers.
The National Transportation Safety Board reported that drowsy driving was likely the cause of more than half of crashes leading to a truck driver's death. For each truck driver fatality, another three to four people are killed .
So it is a much more serious issue than you seem to think.
 
2014-06-08 10:46:40 PM  
If you fall asleep at work and it causes an accident where someone dies, you will face some legal repercussions including possible jail time. This really isn't hard to understand.
 
2014-06-08 10:47:42 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: If you fall asleep at work and it causes an accident where someone dies, you will face some legal repercussions including possible jail time. This really isn't hard to understand.


Eh, shiat happens.

/some people actually believe this apparently
 
2014-06-08 10:48:11 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


Well one gets you in a fatal wreck and...oh wait, they both do.
 
2014-06-08 10:48:19 PM  
Carlson is a bit of a jerk, but he has a point.

Yes falling asleep on the wheel is serious.   It is a common cause of accidents.  There also many other causes of accidents that the driver is at fault.    But the simple reality is that most every driver is guilty of something that could have caused a fatal accident.  If this driver deserves ten years, then so does every single person who has ever driven while too tired.   The difference between this guy and a thousand others is that he was the one whose recklessness resulted in a death and the thousands of others merely could have.  Will locking him up teach him a lesson that he has has not already learned?  No.  Will locking him up deter anyone?  No.   Maybe the justice system needs to worry about acting in such a way that makes our world better instead of being vengeance for the sake of vengeance.   We can't bring back those who are killed by accidents no matter what we do to those who cause accidents and no matter what we do to their families.

And to anyone who denies doing something that could have gotten someone killed.  You are either lying to yourself or your just plain lying.
 
2014-06-08 10:48:23 PM  

SunsetLament: Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."


Fark that. Keep in control of the god damned 2 ton guided missile you are piloting or rot in prison where you belong. You can farking sleep/text/check your facebook at home where you are supposed to. I am sympathetic for people who kill somebody in a wreck because of mechanical failure, animal jumping through the windshield etc.

But if the accident is caused by the driver, then fark the driver. We coddle our drivers too much already. A good number of you deserve to be flogged for the way you drive.
 
2014-06-08 10:49:04 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.


Well, unfortunately for you and Tucker, we have laws that cover these kinds of things.

New Jersey: A driver that has been without sleep for 24 hours is considered to be driving recklessly, in the same class as an intoxicated driver. (New Jersey Statues §2C:11-5)

- - -

Whether the driver is guilty of this or not is up to the court to decide, but you don't get to decide -- unless you get together with like-minded people and work to change the statute.
 
2014-06-08 10:52:02 PM  

umad: SunsetLament: Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."

Fark that. Keep in control of the god damned 2 ton guided missile you are piloting or rot in prison where you belong. You can farking sleep/text/check your facebook at home where you are supposed to. I am sympathetic for people who kill somebody in a wreck because of mechanical failure, animal jumping through the windshield etc.

But if the accident is caused by the driver, then fark the driver. We coddle our drivers too much already. A good number of you deserve to be flogged for the way you drive.


Amen.

I live along Interstate 70 and drive that road very often. Driving on that road has made me hate trucks and truck drivers and make me think they're all a bunch of assholes.

They're either driving too fast or driving too slow, and when they're driving too slow, they happen to be in the middle lane.

I'm actually surprised accidents like these don't happen more often.
 
2014-06-08 10:52:49 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Peter von Nostrand: If you fall asleep at work and it causes an accident where someone dies, you will face some legal repercussions including possible jail time. This really isn't hard to understand.

Eh, shiat happens.

/some people actually believe this apparently


Personal responsibility ftw. Or not. Whatever
 
2014-06-08 10:53:49 PM  
Some people sleepwalk. I know a guy who used to regularly drive 45 miles in his sleep. Never caused any problems.
 
2014-06-08 10:55:25 PM  

fusillade762: boinkingbill: Considering Tracy Morgan wasn't all that funny, the driver shouldn't be charged at all.

I don't find you funny. Can I kill you?


That's what OJ said to Ron Goldman, and he wasn't convicted of murder.
 
2014-06-08 10:56:46 PM  

RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.


Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.
 
2014-06-08 10:57:40 PM  
Tucker is a piece of crap douche ladle. He is also largely correct in this instance.
 
2014-06-08 11:00:17 PM  

Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness.


And thus, he is qualified to provide roadside assistance.
www.cedarmi.com
 
2014-06-08 11:02:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: umad: SunsetLament: Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."

Fark that. Keep in control of the god damned 2 ton guided missile you are piloting or rot in prison where you belong. You can farking sleep/text/check your facebook at home where you are supposed to. I am sympathetic for people who kill somebody in a wreck because of mechanical failure, animal jumping through the windshield etc.

But if the accident is caused by the driver, then fark the driver. We coddle our drivers too much already. A good number of you deserve to be flogged for the way you drive.

Amen.

I live along Interstate 70 and drive that road very often. Driving on that road has made me hate trucks and truck drivers and make me think they're all a bunch of assholes.

They're either driving too fast or driving too slow, and when they're driving too slow, they happen to be in the middle lane.

I'm actually surprised accidents like these don't happen more often.


I'm not just talking truck drivers, which is why I said "two ton". I would have the same opinion on this story even if this guy was driving a Civic.
 
2014-06-08 11:04:13 PM  

sirrerun: Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.

Well, unfortunately for you and Tucker, we have laws that cover these kinds of things.

New Jersey: A driver that has been without sleep for 24 hours is considered to be driving recklessly, in the same class as an intoxicated driver. (New Jersey Statues §2C:11-5)

- - -

Whether the driver is guilty of this or not is up to the court to decide, but you don't get to decide -- unless you get together with like-minded people and work to change the statute.


Yes. And if that proves to be the case, by all means. How exactly do you know when the last time he slept was? I'm actually asking. I haven't read that.

And yes. shiat happens. Sometimes that shiat causes someone to die. Sometimes it's friendly fire that takes out a dozen fellow soldiers. Sometimes it's taking the wrong drug at a hospital. Sometimes it's a car accident because some kid is texting.

Should they be removed from society? If all you want is revenge, then sure. Why anyone on here would care...oh wait, right. a famous person is involved.
 
2014-06-08 11:07:41 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Why anyone on here would care...oh wait, right. a famous person is involved.


Really?
Why would I care if lots of semi drivers are nodding off behind the wheel?
In general, it's because I am often on the same roads.
Nothing at all to do with Tracy Morgan.

I AM AT RISK WHEN YOU OTHER ASSHOLES DRIVE DISTRACTED.
 
2014-06-08 11:07:43 PM  
has his condition updated from critical to dead?
 
2014-06-08 11:09:32 PM  
A misleading headline? On my Fark?

It's more likely than you might think.
 
2014-06-08 11:10:13 PM  

TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.

Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.


No there aren't.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay child support.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay your taxes.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay your taxes, or commit fraud.  You don't go to jail if your dog mauls someone who was poking it with a stick.  Hell, in most, if not all, states you aren't even civilly liable if your dog attacks someone who provoked it.
 
2014-06-08 11:15:47 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: The difference between this guy and a thousand others is that he was the one whose recklessness resulted in a death and the thousands of others merely could have.


Give the man a prize. Yes, that is the only difference. If you are worn out from you newborn screaming all night, and you chose to drive and cause a fatality, you go to jail like thousands of others before you. If you cannot operate safely, you cannot operate legally.

Will locking him up teach him a lesson that he has has not already learned?  No.  Will locking him up deter anyone?  No.   Maybe the justice system needs to worry about acting in such a way that makes our world better instead of being vengeance for the sake of vengeance.

Hate to tell you this, but the same is true for millions in prison all over the world. Again, guys who lose their job and can't pay taxes or child support. They don't even have a place to live, and they go to jail when they can't pony up the $1200 a month, like a coworker of mine this winter when no one in his industry had work.

His child support is 1/3 of what he made five years ago, which is half of what he makes now. During the miserable winter, work screeched to a halt, he didn't make anything close to $1200 a month, so off to jail he went.

No one cried for him. Except maybe his daughter, who tried and failed to live with him instead of her drunk of a mother who clears $4K a month and doesn't give the kid shiat from either pile.

Remember that the next time a judge in your town is running for re-election.
 
2014-06-08 11:17:25 PM  
Cops, and the media like to act as if DUI, and impaired driving fatalities are on the rise, when in fact they have been steadily on the decline.

In fact, traffic fatalities (all kinds) have been steadily dropping since 1949.
 
2014-06-08 11:22:55 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Should they be removed from society? If all you want is revenge, then sure.


So even if he killed someone, what kind of punishment do you think he deserves?
 
2014-06-08 11:23:47 PM  

fusillade762: boinkingbill: Considering Tracy Morgan wasn't all that funny, the driver shouldn't be charged at all.

I don't find you funny. Can I kill you?


When it concerns Tracy Morgan, I gather it's only acceptable to joke about killng a person you find "funny."
 
2014-06-08 11:26:32 PM  
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet

aurorasblog.com
 
2014-06-08 11:30:41 PM  

RelativeEase: TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.

Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.

No there aren't.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay child support.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay your taxes.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay your taxes, or commit fraud.  You don't go to jail if your dog mauls someone who was poking it with a stick.  Hell, in most, if not all, states you aren't even civilly liable if your dog attacks someone who provoked it.

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I've BEEN in jail with people that didn't pay child support, so stop talking out of your ass.
They even take their drivers licenses away, not that it makes any sense.

A woman 8 miles away from me was recently sentenced to 6 months for letting her dogs run free, (despite repeated warnings) and they bit someone.

There was case in NYC a few years ago in which a building superintendent's dog got free and mauled a female lawyer to death.
He was in Rikers for close to a year.

Then again, I don't live in a backwards state like Louisiana.

People don't go to jail for not paying taxes?
Wesley Snipes would beg to differ, as would thousands of others.
 
2014-06-08 11:32:15 PM  

LineNoise: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: LineNoise: What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?

They could scale back their delivery schedules by 24 hours as a way to encourage drivers to be more careful. A 4 hour construction delay or a traffic congestion around a major city wouldn't force these guys to drive extra long to make up the required hours.

Walmart has the size and money to do it, and could very easily set an industry standard by adopting that rule. "Give your workers a little more time for safety or you'll never get another Walmart contract again" would send a pretty clear message.

Has anything come out saying this guy was pulling crazy hours or doing something elswise dangerous to meet a walmart schedule? Or are you just assuming shiat because you want to hate on a company?

If this guy was falsifying logs, sure, lock him up. If this guy was ignoring other regulations, lock him up. If walmart was shown to be doing anything to encourage that behavior, sue the pants off them. Absolutely.

But if he was within regulations, walmart did nothing wrong. Take it up with your congressman to change the DOT regulations for what a trucker can work to be whatever you deem safe (ignoring the fact that those regulations were determined by actual experts in the field).

Oh, and then don't come complaining when every product suddenly doubles in price because now the cost of shipping it has to factor in a team of drivers that switches out every hour to make sure everyone is fresh and in compliance.


WELL SAID^^

Perfect summary.
 
2014-06-08 11:34:52 PM  

sirrerun: Sail The Wide Accountancy: Why anyone on here would care...oh wait, right. a famous person is involved.

Really?
Why would I care if lots of semi drivers are nodding off behind the wheel?
In general, it's because I am often on the same roads.
Nothing at all to do with Tracy Morgan.

I AM AT RISK WHEN YOU OTHER ASSHOLES DRIVE DISTRACTED.


HEAR HEAR! I'm a pedestrian, which oftentimes means walking close to roadways. When drivers nod off, it puts me at great risk.

(CSB: Some old f*cker who wasn't paying attention in a McDonald's parking lot hit me because, as he said, his Big Mac had pickles on it. He lost focus, hit me, and angered the living hell out of my dickey hip over some motherf*cking pickles. Let me just say that I am glad for [legal] narcotics.)
 
2014-06-08 11:35:27 PM  

Snarfangel: cirby: lack of warmth:
A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.

Neither do you.

The actual details that are known? A truck driver hit a small bus and killed/injured several people. It happened at about 1 AM. The truck driver has been charged. The police say that they have no indication that the driver was asleep. That's about it for pertinent information.

The cause could have been the driver falling asleep. Or a driver who wasn't paying enough attention. Or a driver who was looking at his GPS instead of the road. Or any of a large number of other things, ranging from mechanical failure to just plain bad driving.

But for some reason, since the truck was a Wal-Mart truck, a whole lot of folks immediately grabbed onto the "he was asleep because WAL-MART is EVIL!"

Sloth is one of the seven deadly sins. QED.


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2014-06-08 11:36:32 PM  

RelativeEase: You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.


Lol, wut?

My dad almost went to jail because he was out of work and couldn't really afford to pay child support for my older siblings.  If my mom wasn't holding a full time job, he would of been gone.  And I quote him the day he went to court, "I could be going to jail for not having money."  I replied, "What, you can go to jail for not having money?"  He went on to say, "When you can't pay child support, you sure can."  I thought I wouldn't see him again till he walked into the house that evening.  He paid on that child support for a couple years after they turned 18, so no, they do not discount child support for losing a job.
 
2014-06-08 11:36:45 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


Not just us: there have been studies that confirm it. Here's one: http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1162167

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports that about 100000 accidents per year are caused by fatigued/sleepy drivers. Granted, that's a very small number when we average around 30 million MVAs per year (33 million in 2009, couldn't find anything more recent and was too lazy to look terribly hard), but it's not insignificant, which is why there are records kept on the statistic.
 
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