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2014-06-08 09:58:05 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.



What about if the driver goes before the PAL and the SECAM?

//too obscure?
 
2014-06-08 09:58:14 PM  

RelativeEase: Look carlson is certainly a douche guy, but him asking whether falling asleep is necessarily reckless is hardly contemptible.


I would like to think that it's pretty obvious that driving while tired should be considered reckless.
 
2014-06-08 09:58:17 PM  
So...when will Google start testing self-driving semis?

/seems there would be a good market for them, and dropping $100K (or whatever) on sensors, controls, and electronics looks more reasonable with a tractor-trailer that than a family car.
 
2014-06-08 09:59:09 PM  

o_blah: dark.com


I was expecting interracial porn but it appears that domain is available. Kinda shocking.
 
2014-06-08 10:00:07 PM  

Trocadero: [31.media.tumblr.com image 500x609]
This guy looks okay in a bow tie. Don't worry, he doesn't eat cats.


Also looks good in a bow tie:

www.themindrobber.co.uk
 
2014-06-08 10:00:18 PM  

fusillade762: o_blah: dark.com

I was expecting interracial porn but it appears that domain is available. Kinda shocking.


Bizarre.
 
2014-06-08 10:01:47 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


So why is he defending him? Shouldn't he have the evidence in front of him first?
 
2014-06-08 10:02:52 PM  
Why doesn't that network have done with it and officially rebrand themselves as HSN, The Hail Satan Network?
 
2014-06-08 10:03:02 PM  
"They always survive by the way, the people who cause accidents," Carlson agreed.

farking goons.
 
2014-06-08 10:03:13 PM  

edmo: Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.

So why is he defending him? Shouldn't he have the evidence in front of him first?


But by then it will be too late!
 
2014-06-08 10:03:17 PM  
Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.
 
2014-06-08 10:03:52 PM  

clancifer: Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.

So if the log books are in order, the wreck didn't happen?


Just wait until the video comes out and it was a giant dragon that caused the whole thing.
 
2014-06-08 10:04:17 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.


The difference is that most of them don't do that job for a living, and most of them aren't specifically trained to avoid sleep driving.

In any case, I do feel bad for the driver, who I'm sure never wanted anyone to die, and was most likely only pushing himself to meet the ludicrous demands placed on him by his employer. Even so, I would be supportive of punishment if it was discovered that he did break regulations.
 
2014-06-08 10:04:35 PM  

Big Ramifications: [img.fark.net image 443x278]


Oh... this seems appropriate, too.

img2u.info

Truck drivers are required to have so much "down time" for so much "drive time" - but they often "cook the books". I worked on electronic logging back in the mid 90s... but there is only so much people can do.

At any rate, the trucker should have known he was tired and found a place to stop his rig and rest. Unfortunately, areas closer to big cities tend to be populated with asshole drivers, in my experience. Short-haul drivers who have become accustomed to the nastiness of those highways and apathetic to everybody else on the road.
 
2014-06-08 10:04:54 PM  
After a long shift at work I fell asleep while riding home...on my bicycle. And five minutes later after picking myself up off the pavement I did it again. Ouch.

But I was never stupid enough to wear such lame ass bow ties as little Tucker seems driven to do.
 
2014-06-08 10:06:18 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.

You know a guy died right?


Yes. Because I'm not an idiot.

So did 93 other people in cars that day. 331 people died from various accidents that day too. Lots of people die in accidents. In addition to everything else that kills people

Is it a tragedy to the people who knew the man who died? Of course. Should there be a civil case? Of course. Should the truck driver (assuming he wasn't on anything) go to jail for ten years? No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?
 
2014-06-08 10:09:11 PM  

Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.


A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.
 
2014-06-08 10:09:50 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Is it a tragedy to the people who knew the man who died? Of course. Should there be a civil case? Of course. Should the truck driver (assuming he wasn't on anything) go to jail for ten years? No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?


If you kill someone even if it was negligent, you should go to jail.

Do you think the sentence is too long? I'm sure his attorney's will be able to talk it down a few years.
 
2014-06-08 10:10:07 PM  
Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."
 
2014-06-08 10:10:25 PM  
Few people realize driving while drowsy is akin to driving drunk and is charged the same.
I have suffered a lifetime of insomnia, come close many times to almost causing a serious accident, and I know my number will come up sooner or later.

#legalizemethforsafedriving
 
2014-06-08 10:11:27 PM  
Has anyone found a Tucker Carlson quote urging people not to rush to judgement on Sgt Berghdal?  I can't seem to find it, but it has to be out there since Tucker is a paragon of reason and tempered debate.
 
2014-06-08 10:11:56 PM  
Keep on Tuckin'.
 
2014-06-08 10:12:41 PM  

Dwindle: Few people realize driving while drowsy is akin to driving drunk and is charged the same.


crow202.org
 
2014-06-08 10:12:46 PM  

lack of warmth: Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.

A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.


http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9208855/
 
2014-06-08 10:12:51 PM  
"I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness "

And carbon dioxide is good for plants, and therefore can't be a cause of global warming.
 
2014-06-08 10:12:52 PM  
Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still
 
2014-06-08 10:13:37 PM  
In other words Carlson is asking the same questions are judicial system and a jury will ask, but Tucker Carlson, bow ties, and fox news oh my.
 
2014-06-08 10:13:40 PM  

JungleBoogie: Tucker Carlson's certainly entitled to his opinion.

But - should there be a cost for falling asleep behind the wheel of a tractor trailer, then plowing into a line of stopped cars? I would certainly hope so. And I hope the cost is significant enough to act as a deterrent. And I hope WalMart incurs a significant financial penalty for this as well, so they institute some sort of policy to mitigate drowsy driving.


And, how do you propose, they do that? They are already very heavily regulated in terms of who can drive that truck. There are random drug tests, the guy getting behind the wheel has logs he needs to keep, he can only drive for certain periods of time.

What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?
 
2014-06-08 10:14:07 PM  
But the sad part is, this guy gets 10 years. Wal-Mart? Probably not even a fine.
 
2014-06-08 10:15:02 PM  
I always thought these people were being contrary for attention. It's all a performance art piece. Really, they should be labeled as satire.
 
2014-06-08 10:15:37 PM  

steamingpile: In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.


The problem is that very often when people say "I'm not defending _____, but..." they're about to say something defending _____." And Tucker Carlson used up his allotted "benefit of the doubt" chips years ago.
 
2014-06-08 10:16:15 PM  
Thirteen minutes.

The good feeling I had about the world and some sliver of hope for the future I had after watching the Cosmos finale lasted precisely thirteen minutes before I read this headline about a mindless shrieking head saying something completely ridiculous just to be in contradiction to common sense.

Thirteen goddamn minutes.
 
2014-06-08 10:16:31 PM  
I'm gonna start a restaurant chain called Twatwaffles.

/rich in omega3!
 
2014-06-08 10:16:35 PM  
If I had a short list of people I would love to punch square in the face, Tucker Carlson would be very near the top.
 
2014-06-08 10:16:45 PM  

SunsetLament: But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."


Exactly. I think we have lost sense of the concept of "shiat happens" in society. Unless we can show this guy was up for 4 days straight playing video games or something, throwing him in prison for 10 years is going to accomplish nothing, aside from ruining his life, and that of his family. Show that he was knowingly negligent in any way, and I'll change my tune.

IlGreven: But the sad part is, this guy gets 10 years. Wal-Mart? Probably not even a fine.


By no means am I a fan of walmart,  but what exactly did they do wrong here, other than have their name on the side of the truck?
 
2014-06-08 10:16:57 PM  
I always wonder, does Fox News pay these people to be assholes, or do they just selectively hire assholes?
 
2014-06-08 10:17:08 PM  
Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.
 
2014-06-08 10:18:43 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.


www.videouniversity.com
 
2014-06-08 10:18:49 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Mrtraveler01: Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.

You know a guy died right?

Yes. Because I'm not an idiot.

So did 93 other people in cars that day. 331 people died from various accidents that day too. Lots of people die in accidents. In addition to everything else that kills people

Is it a tragedy to the people who knew the man who died? Of course. Should there be a civil case? Of course. Should the truck driver (assuming he wasn't on anything) go to jail for ten years? No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?


Because he is a commercial driver, he is held to regulations that when not followed, he is criminally neglecting his job responsibilities.  The laws for truckers is not equal to non-commercial drivers, because non-commercial drivers do not spend 70 hours/week moving up to 40 tons down the road.  Even if they decided to not file criminal charges, his commercial insurance record( I know of it, but I'm not sure what it's really called) will list him as non-hirable.  He'll never drive big trucks again, as it would be the dumbest idea for any trucking company to hire a sleepy driver who killed.
 
2014-06-08 10:19:01 PM  

LineNoise: What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?


They could scale back their delivery schedules by 24 hours as a way to encourage drivers to be more careful. A 4 hour construction delay or a traffic congestion around a major city wouldn't force these guys to drive extra long to make up the required hours.

Walmart has the size and money to do it, and could very easily set an industry standard by adopting that rule. "Give your workers a little more time for safety or you'll never get another Walmart contract again" would send a pretty clear message.
 
2014-06-08 10:19:14 PM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-06-08 10:19:23 PM  
lack of warmth:
A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.

Neither do you.

The actual details that are known? A truck driver hit a small bus and killed/injured several people. It happened at about 1 AM. The truck driver has been charged. The police say that they have no indication that the driver was asleep. That's about it for pertinent information.

The cause could have been the driver falling asleep. Or a driver who wasn't paying enough attention. Or a driver who was looking at his GPS instead of the road. Or any of a large number of other things, ranging from mechanical failure to just plain bad driving.

But for some reason, since the truck was a Wal-Mart truck, a whole lot of folks immediately grabbed onto the "he was asleep because WAL-MART is EVIL!"
 
2014-06-08 10:19:39 PM  
The judge who sentenced him was obviously a liberal truck-grabber, bent on taking away my constitutional rights!
 
2014-06-08 10:19:47 PM  

Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.


Do you believe that someone who accidentally left their range on is a criminal who should be removed from society? That's the question. A woman with a dangerous dog IS different.
 
2014-06-08 10:19:47 PM  

Dwindle: Jails are full of people like this.


Which is wrong. But society likes to play this game where we pretend bad stuff never happens on its own, so when something bad does happen, we need to immediately run out, find someone to put the blame on, and then pat ourselves on the back.
 
2014-06-08 10:20:01 PM  

stirfrybry: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

THIS!

what a joke of a headline and fark eats it up. OMG Faux News!!!! Instagreen!


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-08 10:20:30 PM  

SaladMonkey: Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still


Sleep is a biological imperative, driving is not. Driving isn't even a right, it's a privilege. The effect of driving sleepy are equatable to driving drunk and people die just as easily.

Yes he needed to sleep. He needed to sleep so badly he did so involuntarily, what he didn't need to do was drive in that condition. I'm not saying he should be crucified, but he certainly shouldn't be excused.
 
2014-06-08 10:20:35 PM  

revrendjim: My brother fell asleep driving once and ran into a row of parked cars. I know I have been close and powered through by sheer willpower. I once drove alone from Massachusetts to West Texas without stopping. I have no idea what point I am trying to make.


Is this you?

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Did you know it's farther from Houston to El Paso than it is from El Paso to Los Angeles?
 
2014-06-08 10:22:36 PM  
I guess he should be charged with something, but 4 counts of assault by auto just isn't nessecary.
 
2014-06-08 10:22:57 PM  
Wow. I didn't realize that accident actually happened. I figured it was 4chan death trolling again
 
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