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2014-06-08 08:15:42 PM  
STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.
 
2014-06-08 08:38:34 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


So if the log books are in order, the wreck didn't happen?
 
2014-06-08 08:43:48 PM  
It would be a refreshing note of subtlety if he just volunteered to be the human porta-john at the Walton Family Reunion.
 
2014-06-08 08:47:42 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


So it's okay if he fell asleep and killed somebody, because he drives a lot?

I don't know if this was an accident, or if he was reckless, but saying I can't judge someone who (if it turns out he did) falls asleep at the wheel because I'm not a trucker is ridiculous.

I agree he is innocent until proven guilty, and since there's no evidence yet that he fell asleep, we shouldn't assume he did, but the "walk a mile in his shoes" argument doesn't fly if he caused the death of someone by falling asleep at the wheel.
 
2014-06-08 08:50:44 PM  
Some of these trucks have beds in them.  Who can you blame there?
 
2014-06-08 08:51:37 PM  
I think you'll find sleeping in front of the wheel is, in fact, always dangerous.l
 
2014-06-08 09:00:20 PM  
Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?
 
2014-06-08 09:31:57 PM  
My brother fell asleep driving once and ran into a row of parked cars. I know I have been close and powered through by sheer willpower. I once drove alone from Massachusetts to West Texas without stopping. I have no idea what point I am trying to make.
 
2014-06-08 09:32:01 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


Good one, you'll get bites.
 
2014-06-08 09:33:15 PM  

Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?


And the damnedest thing is, there's a reason WHY these guys drive themselves to the point of almost fatigue - razor thin delivery schedules from corporate buyers with low compensation for the work required.

That point won't get addressed.
 
2014-06-08 09:34:11 PM  
Good thing he got his sleep in. Will probably want to keep his eyes open in prison.
 
2014-06-08 09:36:17 PM  
What Tucker really meant was it wasn't reckless because no white people were hurt.
 
2014-06-08 09:38:10 PM  
When Jon Stewart showed what an absolute ass he was on Crossfire he should have never gotten another job.  Tucker Carlson is the biggest idiot on TV today, and that's a VERY high bar.
 
2014-06-08 09:39:15 PM  
Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.
 
2014-06-08 09:41:16 PM  

eejack: What Tucker really meant was it wasn't reckless because no white people were hurt Walmart was involved.



It is strange that he comments on this accident. Does he comment on other accidents that involve semi's? Or does he only comment on accidents involving Walmart semi's because if it is found out the guy did fall asleep, then Walmart will come under scrutiny for the way it handles its drivers.
 
2014-06-08 09:42:28 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


Drunk driving is technically an accident, so let's not charge someone who's piss-drunk and strikes a pedestrian! And a gun going off accidentally is also an accident, even if the person handling the weapon accidentally kills someone--so there goes any charge of negligent homicide, too!

Tucker Carlson was an asshat when I woke up this morning, he's an asshat now, and he will forever be a (gap-toothed) asshat.

/Thank god he no longer wears bow ties
//Yes, I wear bow ties
///But I'm not an asshat
 
2014-06-08 09:43:04 PM  

steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.


Fox news isn't news. It's just the TV equivalent of when angry old men would gather together to shiat on everything and cry on each other's shoulder. Eventually there will be a Fox News For Women which will invent gossip for nutty grandmas.
 
2014-06-08 09:43:13 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-08 09:43:55 PM  

Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?


Because if a driver gets 10 years for falling asleep at the wheel, people are going to start asking questions of Wal-Mart and other companies about what kind of policies they have in place with regards to making sure drivers are getting enough sleep. Drivers are going to start telling stories about how they got pressured to drive X number of miles in Y number of hours, stories of other drivers falling asleep and running into cars not containing famous black comedians will start surfacing, and all of the sudden Wal-Mart's cost to move freight from point A to B are costing them about a dollar more a mile.
 
2014-06-08 09:44:12 PM  

steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.


He's not defending him but he's pretty slow in that the guy he was interviewing had to spell it out to him in plain English on why the charges were so severe.

"I'm not trying to take anything away from the tragedy of this," Carlson replied. "But 10 years in jail for falling asleep? It strikes me as very different from taking drugs, drinking. Has that ever happened? Has anybody ever actually gone to jail for falling asleep?"
"For falling asleep and causing a death?" Schwartz asked. "Absolutely."

"But, I mean sometimes people - and I'm not defending anyone here," Carlson continued. "I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness - does it unintentionally, nods off is a criminal."

"Tucker, if you're driving a 16-wheel truck, a truck for Walmart, and you're on the roads for the state of New Jersey, and you're drowsy and you fall asleep, it's certainly an act of recklessness," the attorney insisted. "Not an intentional murder, but it's an act of recklessness. And that's where this reckless homicide comes in."

Long story short, Tucker is a real dumbass.
 
2014-06-08 09:44:49 PM  
Maybe it wasn't accidental. Perhaps this truck driver just wanted to rid the world of another "comedian" who isn't actually funny. If so, this was probably just a practice run for Dane Cook, that "ventriloquist" guy with the racist puppet and Jim Davis.
 
2014-06-08 09:44:51 PM  
No one puts down Bill Nye for wearing a bow tie. But when you're a douchecanoe, all of a sudden bow ties are a bad thing. It's like you can't catch a break if you're a twatwaffle.
 
2014-06-08 09:45:42 PM  

Mrtraveler01: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

He's not defending him but he's pretty slow in that the guy he was interviewing had to spell it out to him in plain English on why the charges were so severe.

"I'm not trying to take anything away from the tragedy of this," Carlson replied. "But 10 years in jail for falling asleep? It strikes me as very different from taking drugs, drinking. Has that ever happened? Has anybody ever actually gone to jail for falling asleep?"
"For falling asleep and causing a death?" Schwartz asked. "Absolutely."

"But, I mean sometimes people - and I'm not defending anyone here," Carlson continued. "I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness - does it unintentionally, nods off is a criminal."
"Tucker, if you're driving a 16-wheel truck, a truck for Walmart, and you're on the roads for the state of New Jersey, and you're drowsy and you fall asleep, it's certainly an act of recklessness," the attorney insisted. "Not an intentional murder, but it's an act of recklessness. And that's where this reckless homicide comes in."

Long story short, Tucker is a real dumbass.



Maybe he was sleepy.
 
2014-06-08 09:46:00 PM  

spunkymunky: Maybe it wasn't accidental. Perhaps this truck driver just wanted to rid the world of another "comedian" who isn't actually funny. If so, this was probably just a practice run for Dane Cook, that "ventriloquist" guy with the racist puppet and Jim Davis.


Wow, someone really hates Monday's.
 
2014-06-08 09:46:51 PM  
"I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness "

People fall asleep every day. Can't explain that.

Tucker needs to switch back to the bowtie, I think that Windsor knot is cutting off the circulation to his brain.
 
2014-06-08 09:47:50 PM  

d23: When Jon Stewart showed what an absolute ass he was on Crossfire he should have never gotten another job.  Tucker Carlson is the biggest idiot on TV today, and that's a VERY high bar.


Have you SEEN Fox New's line-up? And I'm not even talking the primetime clowns--the morning show, the pre-morning show show, hell even the afternoon morons (with the exception of Shepard Smith, since he at least seems competent). It's as though the requirements to be on that channel go something like this:

Men: Must be willing to shill for whatever talking point is polling popularly among conservatives. Hair not necessary. Good hair advised against.

Women: Must have good legs.

No mention of intelligence or the ability to reason, though. That's LIEBRUL GUBMINT INTERFEERANCE!
 
2014-06-08 09:48:39 PM  

nytmare: No one puts down Bill Nye for wearing a bow tie. But when you're a douchecanoe, all of a sudden bow ties are a bad thing. It's like you can't catch a break if you're a twatwaffle.


Now we know George Will's Fark handle.
 
2014-06-08 09:48:54 PM  

nytmare: No one puts down Bill Nye for wearing a bow tie. But when you're a douchecanoe, all of a sudden bow ties are a bad thing. It's like you can't catch a break if you're a twatwaffle.


Actually it looks stupid on him too.
 
2014-06-08 09:48:59 PM  
Tucker Carlson's certainly entitled to his opinion.

But - should there be a cost for falling asleep behind the wheel of a tractor trailer, then plowing into a line of stopped cars? I would certainly hope so. And I hope the cost is significant enough to act as a deterrent. And I hope WalMart incurs a significant financial penalty for this as well, so they institute some sort of policy to mitigate drowsy driving.
 
2014-06-08 09:48:59 PM  

steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.


THIS!

what a joke of a headline and fark eats it up. OMG Faux News!!!! Instagreen!
 
2014-06-08 09:49:01 PM  
Well, this a good way to get attention.
 
2014-06-08 09:49:01 PM  
Look carlson is certainly a douche guy, but him asking whether falling asleep is necessarily reckless is hardly contemptible.
 
2014-06-08 09:50:27 PM  
Tucker Carlson is lucky that you can't go to prison just for being an idiot and making moronic statements on TV.  Otherwise he'd be facing a life sentence.
 
2014-06-08 09:50:54 PM  

d23: When Jon Stewart showed what an absolute ass he was on Crossfire he should have never gotten another job.  Tucker Carlson is the biggest idiot on TV today, and that's a VERY high bar.


You're talking about a network that has this guy on to talk about foreign policy:

marinephotos.togetherweserved.com
 
2014-06-08 09:50:54 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?

And the damnedest thing is, there's a reason WHY these guys drive themselves to the point of almost fatigue - razor thin delivery schedules from corporate buyers with low compensation for the work required.

That point won't get addressed.


THAT is a conversation worth having. THAT would have been a comment worth making. Saying it's not really reckless or a crime is not.
 
2014-06-08 09:51:56 PM  
Considering Tracy Morgan wasn't all that funny, the driver shouldn't be charged at all.
 
2014-06-08 09:52:49 PM  

Mrtraveler01: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

He's not defending him but he's pretty slow in that the guy he was interviewing had to spell it out to him in plain English on why the charges were so severe.

"I'm not trying to take anything away from the tragedy of this," Carlson replied. "But 10 years in jail for falling asleep? It strikes me as very different from taking drugs, drinking. Has that ever happened? Has anybody ever actually gone to jail for falling asleep?"
"For falling asleep and causing a death?" Schwartz asked. "Absolutely."

"But, I mean sometimes people - and I'm not defending anyone here," Carlson continued. "I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness - does it unintentionally, nods off is a criminal."
"Tucker, if you're driving a 16-wheel truck, a truck for Walmart, and you're on the roads for the state of New Jersey, and you're drowsy and you fall asleep, it's certainly an act of recklessness," the attorney insisted. "Not an intentional murder, but it's an act of recklessness. And that's where this reckless homicide comes in."

Long story short, Tucker is a real dumbass.


Tucker Carlson was defending the truck driver. Most claims otherwise miss the mark.

It is amazing to me how every time someone says something like "I'm not defending anyone," they end up offering a defense of someone. It's just like someone saying "I'm not a racist, but..." and then following it up with something racist.
 
2014-06-08 09:54:32 PM  
Raising speed limits and shortening the mandatory rest periods for truckers means more people are gonna die this year in worse accidents. We could stop it, but corporations might have to raise prices an extra half a cent, so fark that, get the power washers and shovels out.
 
2014-06-08 09:54:34 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


So these truckers live by a code that we mere mortals can't understand?
 
2014-06-08 09:54:39 PM  

stirfrybry: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

THIS!

what a joke of a headline and fark eats it up. OMG Faux News!!!! Instagreen!


While I agree that the headline is misleading (oblig. welcome to dark.com), you can't possibly sent that what Tucker said was completely retarded.
 
2014-06-08 09:55:52 PM  
If you have a wreck why is it called reckless?
 
2014-06-08 09:56:30 PM  
Fark.com*....
 
2014-06-08 09:56:33 PM  
31.media.tumblr.com
This guy looks okay in a bow tie. Don't worry, he doesn't eat cats.
 
2014-06-08 09:56:38 PM  
I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.
 
2014-06-08 09:56:57 PM  

Mrtraveler01: d23: When Jon Stewart showed what an absolute ass he was on Crossfire he should have never gotten another job.  Tucker Carlson is the biggest idiot on TV today, and that's a VERY high bar.

You're talking about a network that has this guy on to talk about foreign policy:

[marinephotos.togetherweserved.com image 517x450]


They also think the Wasilla Snowbilly Grifter is capable of talking about politics in general. And a guy who was kicked out of the American Psychiatric Association is totally their go-to guy for mental health information. Oh, and they have Geraldo Rivera.
 
2014-06-08 09:57:00 PM  
Bow tie enthusiast T-


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2014-06-08 09:57:17 PM  

Ambivalence: Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?


Because he's an asshole.
 
2014-06-08 09:57:26 PM  

boinkingbill: Considering Tracy Morgan wasn't all that funny, the driver shouldn't be charged at all.


I don't find you funny. Can I kill you?
 
2014-06-08 09:57:48 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.


You know a guy died right?
 
2014-06-08 09:58:03 PM  
I honestly can't tell if he's a farking idiot or just trolling us.
 
2014-06-08 09:58:05 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.



What about if the driver goes before the PAL and the SECAM?

//too obscure?
 
2014-06-08 09:58:14 PM  

RelativeEase: Look carlson is certainly a douche guy, but him asking whether falling asleep is necessarily reckless is hardly contemptible.


I would like to think that it's pretty obvious that driving while tired should be considered reckless.
 
2014-06-08 09:58:17 PM  
So...when will Google start testing self-driving semis?

/seems there would be a good market for them, and dropping $100K (or whatever) on sensors, controls, and electronics looks more reasonable with a tractor-trailer that than a family car.
 
2014-06-08 09:59:09 PM  

o_blah: dark.com


I was expecting interracial porn but it appears that domain is available. Kinda shocking.
 
2014-06-08 10:00:07 PM  

Trocadero: [31.media.tumblr.com image 500x609]
This guy looks okay in a bow tie. Don't worry, he doesn't eat cats.


Also looks good in a bow tie:

www.themindrobber.co.uk
 
2014-06-08 10:00:18 PM  

fusillade762: o_blah: dark.com

I was expecting interracial porn but it appears that domain is available. Kinda shocking.


Bizarre.
 
2014-06-08 10:01:47 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.


So why is he defending him? Shouldn't he have the evidence in front of him first?
 
2014-06-08 10:02:52 PM  
Why doesn't that network have done with it and officially rebrand themselves as HSN, The Hail Satan Network?
 
2014-06-08 10:03:02 PM  
"They always survive by the way, the people who cause accidents," Carlson agreed.

farking goons.
 
2014-06-08 10:03:13 PM  

edmo: Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.

So why is he defending him? Shouldn't he have the evidence in front of him first?


But by then it will be too late!
 
2014-06-08 10:03:17 PM  
Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.
 
2014-06-08 10:03:52 PM  

clancifer: Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.

So if the log books are in order, the wreck didn't happen?


Just wait until the video comes out and it was a giant dragon that caused the whole thing.
 
2014-06-08 10:04:17 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.


The difference is that most of them don't do that job for a living, and most of them aren't specifically trained to avoid sleep driving.

In any case, I do feel bad for the driver, who I'm sure never wanted anyone to die, and was most likely only pushing himself to meet the ludicrous demands placed on him by his employer. Even so, I would be supportive of punishment if it was discovered that he did break regulations.
 
2014-06-08 10:04:35 PM  

Big Ramifications: [img.fark.net image 443x278]


Oh... this seems appropriate, too.

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Truck drivers are required to have so much "down time" for so much "drive time" - but they often "cook the books". I worked on electronic logging back in the mid 90s... but there is only so much people can do.

At any rate, the trucker should have known he was tired and found a place to stop his rig and rest. Unfortunately, areas closer to big cities tend to be populated with asshole drivers, in my experience. Short-haul drivers who have become accustomed to the nastiness of those highways and apathetic to everybody else on the road.
 
2014-06-08 10:04:54 PM  
After a long shift at work I fell asleep while riding home...on my bicycle. And five minutes later after picking myself up off the pavement I did it again. Ouch.

But I was never stupid enough to wear such lame ass bow ties as little Tucker seems driven to do.
 
2014-06-08 10:06:18 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.

You know a guy died right?


Yes. Because I'm not an idiot.

So did 93 other people in cars that day. 331 people died from various accidents that day too. Lots of people die in accidents. In addition to everything else that kills people

Is it a tragedy to the people who knew the man who died? Of course. Should there be a civil case? Of course. Should the truck driver (assuming he wasn't on anything) go to jail for ten years? No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?
 
2014-06-08 10:09:11 PM  

Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.


A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.
 
2014-06-08 10:09:50 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Is it a tragedy to the people who knew the man who died? Of course. Should there be a civil case? Of course. Should the truck driver (assuming he wasn't on anything) go to jail for ten years? No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?


If you kill someone even if it was negligent, you should go to jail.

Do you think the sentence is too long? I'm sure his attorney's will be able to talk it down a few years.
 
2014-06-08 10:10:07 PM  
Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."
 
2014-06-08 10:10:25 PM  
Few people realize driving while drowsy is akin to driving drunk and is charged the same.
I have suffered a lifetime of insomnia, come close many times to almost causing a serious accident, and I know my number will come up sooner or later.

#legalizemethforsafedriving
 
2014-06-08 10:11:27 PM  
Has anyone found a Tucker Carlson quote urging people not to rush to judgement on Sgt Berghdal?  I can't seem to find it, but it has to be out there since Tucker is a paragon of reason and tempered debate.
 
2014-06-08 10:11:56 PM  
Keep on Tuckin'.
 
2014-06-08 10:12:41 PM  

Dwindle: Few people realize driving while drowsy is akin to driving drunk and is charged the same.


crow202.org
 
2014-06-08 10:12:46 PM  

lack of warmth: Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.

A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.


http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9208855/
 
2014-06-08 10:12:51 PM  
"I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness "

And carbon dioxide is good for plants, and therefore can't be a cause of global warming.
 
2014-06-08 10:12:52 PM  
Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still
 
2014-06-08 10:13:37 PM  
In other words Carlson is asking the same questions are judicial system and a jury will ask, but Tucker Carlson, bow ties, and fox news oh my.
 
2014-06-08 10:13:40 PM  

JungleBoogie: Tucker Carlson's certainly entitled to his opinion.

But - should there be a cost for falling asleep behind the wheel of a tractor trailer, then plowing into a line of stopped cars? I would certainly hope so. And I hope the cost is significant enough to act as a deterrent. And I hope WalMart incurs a significant financial penalty for this as well, so they institute some sort of policy to mitigate drowsy driving.


And, how do you propose, they do that? They are already very heavily regulated in terms of who can drive that truck. There are random drug tests, the guy getting behind the wheel has logs he needs to keep, he can only drive for certain periods of time.

What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?
 
2014-06-08 10:14:07 PM  
But the sad part is, this guy gets 10 years. Wal-Mart? Probably not even a fine.
 
2014-06-08 10:15:02 PM  
I always thought these people were being contrary for attention. It's all a performance art piece. Really, they should be labeled as satire.
 
2014-06-08 10:15:37 PM  

steamingpile: In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.


The problem is that very often when people say "I'm not defending _____, but..." they're about to say something defending _____." And Tucker Carlson used up his allotted "benefit of the doubt" chips years ago.
 
2014-06-08 10:16:15 PM  
Thirteen minutes.

The good feeling I had about the world and some sliver of hope for the future I had after watching the Cosmos finale lasted precisely thirteen minutes before I read this headline about a mindless shrieking head saying something completely ridiculous just to be in contradiction to common sense.

Thirteen goddamn minutes.
 
2014-06-08 10:16:31 PM  
I'm gonna start a restaurant chain called Twatwaffles.

/rich in omega3!
 
2014-06-08 10:16:35 PM  
If I had a short list of people I would love to punch square in the face, Tucker Carlson would be very near the top.
 
2014-06-08 10:16:45 PM  

SunsetLament: But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."


Exactly. I think we have lost sense of the concept of "shiat happens" in society. Unless we can show this guy was up for 4 days straight playing video games or something, throwing him in prison for 10 years is going to accomplish nothing, aside from ruining his life, and that of his family. Show that he was knowingly negligent in any way, and I'll change my tune.

IlGreven: But the sad part is, this guy gets 10 years. Wal-Mart? Probably not even a fine.


By no means am I a fan of walmart,  but what exactly did they do wrong here, other than have their name on the side of the truck?
 
2014-06-08 10:16:57 PM  
I always wonder, does Fox News pay these people to be assholes, or do they just selectively hire assholes?
 
2014-06-08 10:17:08 PM  
Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.
 
2014-06-08 10:18:43 PM  

Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.


www.videouniversity.com
 
2014-06-08 10:18:49 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Mrtraveler01: Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.

You know a guy died right?

Yes. Because I'm not an idiot.

So did 93 other people in cars that day. 331 people died from various accidents that day too. Lots of people die in accidents. In addition to everything else that kills people

Is it a tragedy to the people who knew the man who died? Of course. Should there be a civil case? Of course. Should the truck driver (assuming he wasn't on anything) go to jail for ten years? No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?


Because he is a commercial driver, he is held to regulations that when not followed, he is criminally neglecting his job responsibilities.  The laws for truckers is not equal to non-commercial drivers, because non-commercial drivers do not spend 70 hours/week moving up to 40 tons down the road.  Even if they decided to not file criminal charges, his commercial insurance record( I know of it, but I'm not sure what it's really called) will list him as non-hirable.  He'll never drive big trucks again, as it would be the dumbest idea for any trucking company to hire a sleepy driver who killed.
 
2014-06-08 10:19:01 PM  

LineNoise: What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?


They could scale back their delivery schedules by 24 hours as a way to encourage drivers to be more careful. A 4 hour construction delay or a traffic congestion around a major city wouldn't force these guys to drive extra long to make up the required hours.

Walmart has the size and money to do it, and could very easily set an industry standard by adopting that rule. "Give your workers a little more time for safety or you'll never get another Walmart contract again" would send a pretty clear message.
 
2014-06-08 10:19:14 PM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-06-08 10:19:23 PM  
lack of warmth:
A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.

Neither do you.

The actual details that are known? A truck driver hit a small bus and killed/injured several people. It happened at about 1 AM. The truck driver has been charged. The police say that they have no indication that the driver was asleep. That's about it for pertinent information.

The cause could have been the driver falling asleep. Or a driver who wasn't paying enough attention. Or a driver who was looking at his GPS instead of the road. Or any of a large number of other things, ranging from mechanical failure to just plain bad driving.

But for some reason, since the truck was a Wal-Mart truck, a whole lot of folks immediately grabbed onto the "he was asleep because WAL-MART is EVIL!"
 
2014-06-08 10:19:39 PM  
The judge who sentenced him was obviously a liberal truck-grabber, bent on taking away my constitutional rights!
 
2014-06-08 10:19:47 PM  

Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.


Do you believe that someone who accidentally left their range on is a criminal who should be removed from society? That's the question. A woman with a dangerous dog IS different.
 
2014-06-08 10:19:47 PM  

Dwindle: Jails are full of people like this.


Which is wrong. But society likes to play this game where we pretend bad stuff never happens on its own, so when something bad does happen, we need to immediately run out, find someone to put the blame on, and then pat ourselves on the back.
 
2014-06-08 10:20:01 PM  

stirfrybry: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

THIS!

what a joke of a headline and fark eats it up. OMG Faux News!!!! Instagreen!


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-08 10:20:30 PM  

SaladMonkey: Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still


Sleep is a biological imperative, driving is not. Driving isn't even a right, it's a privilege. The effect of driving sleepy are equatable to driving drunk and people die just as easily.

Yes he needed to sleep. He needed to sleep so badly he did so involuntarily, what he didn't need to do was drive in that condition. I'm not saying he should be crucified, but he certainly shouldn't be excused.
 
2014-06-08 10:20:35 PM  

revrendjim: My brother fell asleep driving once and ran into a row of parked cars. I know I have been close and powered through by sheer willpower. I once drove alone from Massachusetts to West Texas without stopping. I have no idea what point I am trying to make.


Is this you?

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Did you know it's farther from Houston to El Paso than it is from El Paso to Los Angeles?
 
2014-06-08 10:22:36 PM  
I guess he should be charged with something, but 4 counts of assault by auto just isn't nessecary.
 
2014-06-08 10:22:57 PM  
Wow. I didn't realize that accident actually happened. I figured it was 4chan death trolling again
 
2014-06-08 10:24:02 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: LineNoise: What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?

They could scale back their delivery schedules by 24 hours as a way to encourage drivers to be more careful. A 4 hour construction delay or a traffic congestion around a major city wouldn't force these guys to drive extra long to make up the required hours.

Walmart has the size and money to do it, and could very easily set an industry standard by adopting that rule. "Give your workers a little more time for safety or you'll never get another Walmart contract again" would send a pretty clear message.


Has anything come out saying this guy was pulling crazy hours or doing something elswise dangerous to meet a walmart schedule? Or are you just assuming shiat because you want to hate on a company?

If this guy was falsifying logs, sure, lock him up. If this guy was ignoring other regulations, lock him up. If walmart was shown to be doing anything to encourage that behavior, sue the pants off them. Absolutely.

But if he was within regulations, walmart did nothing wrong. Take it up with your congressman to change the DOT regulations for what a trucker can work to be whatever you deem safe (ignoring the fact that those regulations were determined by actual experts in the field).

Oh, and then don't come complaining when every product suddenly doubles in price because now the cost of shipping it has to factor in a team of drivers that switches out every hour to make sure everyone is fresh and in compliance.
 
2014-06-08 10:24:10 PM  
I feel like the only reason he's under arrest is because there's someone famous involved. Anyone else feel that way? Are there laws in Jersey that specifically state driving while tired is illegal? I understand it is reckless, but I rarely hear about people getting arrested for it unless it is a trucker who fudged paperwork. Last year a trucker killed a state trooper and put a highway worker in the hospital for months and it wasn't until weeks later that it was verified that he had in fact been fudging paperwork did they arrest him.
 
2014-06-08 10:25:15 PM  

Atharaenea: lack of warmth: Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.

A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.

http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9208855/


I think the issue is then either Indiana doesn't prosecute cases of vehicular manslaughter aggressively enough, or perhaps New Jersey overdoes it. Your opening salvo sounded to me as if your example was of an incident ALSO in New Jersey which would have been more supportive of your point.
 
2014-06-08 10:25:47 PM  

Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.


Literally no one is in jail for those things.
 
2014-06-08 10:28:11 PM  

Ambivalence: SaladMonkey: Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still

Sleep is a biological imperative, driving is not. Driving isn't even a right, it's a privilege. The effect of driving sleepy are equatable to driving drunk and people die just as easily.

Yes he needed to sleep. He needed to sleep so badly he did so involuntarily, what he didn't need to do was drive in that condition. I'm not saying he should be crucified, but he certainly shouldn't be excused.


I'm not sure we disagree.  My point is that recklessness is too high a charge for what may have happened.  Driving tired, just like taking your eyes off the road to look at the radio, is a risk.  Driving tired is obviously a bigger risk and should be punished if it results in a death.  However, 10 years in jail is figurative "crucifixion."  I don't believe falling asleep at the wheel should ever rise beyond negligence, unless there are extenuating circumstances like it's the third day without sleep.
 
2014-06-08 10:28:40 PM  

steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.


Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless
 
2014-06-08 10:29:20 PM  

nytmare: No one puts down Bill Nye for wearing a bow tie. But when you're a douchecanoe, all of a sudden bow ties are a bad thing. It's like you can't catch a break if you're a twatwaffle.


The degree to which you take yourself seriously determines where you fall on the Bow Tie Douchenozzle Spectrum, where zero equals "endearing" and values greater than zero are proportional to the square of your douchenozzle score.
 
2014-06-08 10:29:33 PM  

cirby: lack of warmth:
A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.

Neither do you.

The actual details that are known? A truck driver hit a small bus and killed/injured several people. It happened at about 1 AM. The truck driver has been charged. The police say that they have no indication that the driver was asleep. That's about it for pertinent information.

The cause could have been the driver falling asleep. Or a driver who wasn't paying enough attention. Or a driver who was looking at his GPS instead of the road. Or any of a large number of other things, ranging from mechanical failure to just plain bad driving.

But for some reason, since the truck was a Wal-Mart truck, a whole lot of folks immediately grabbed onto the "he was asleep because WAL-MART is EVIL!"


Sloth is one of the seven deadly sins. QED.
 
2014-06-08 10:34:00 PM  

LineNoise: Has anything come out saying this guy was pulling crazy hours or doing something elswise dangerous to meet a walmart schedule? Or are you just assuming shiat because you want to hate on a company?


He fell asleep while driving after being certified as a professional driver. Trucking companies are seriously shat upon to meet guidelines with timing intervals that are JUST at the legal limit by the DOT. My dislike for Walmart is not exclusive, every major retailer does it.

If this guy was falsifying logs, sure, lock him up. If this guy was ignoring other regulations, lock him up. If walmart was shown to be doing anything to encourage that behavior, sue the pants off them. Absolutely.

But if he was within regulations, walmart did nothing wrong. Take it up with your congressman to change the DOT regulations for what a trucker can work to be whatever you deem safe (ignoring the fact that those regulations were determined by actual experts in the field).


Completely agree on the second and about 90% of the third. Not sure where I said I was an expert on DOT safety, so I'll just assume you're being an asshole rather than a troll.

Oh, and then don't come complaining when every product suddenly doubles in price because now the cost of shipping it has to factor in a team of drivers that switches out every hour to make sure everyone is fresh and in compliance.

Three problems with your paragraph:
1. It's a ridiculous absurdity. No one in this thread is asking for a team of people
2. How does allowing latency in a contract result in a price increase? A trucker pulling off to a rest area because he's tired and able to take a slightly longer break doesn't change his insurance, gas, or depreciation
3. Even if we assume that 2 actually happens, I'm okay with paying more knowing that the cargo was delivered safely and the workers were compensated fairly. (Also, doubling is a hyperbolic idiocy)
 
2014-06-08 10:35:15 PM  
If fox is defending it, some rich a$$hole somewhere is has money at stake. I'm assuming it's walmart.

I feel for the driver and the victims. I can't imagine how awful it would feel to kill someone because I did something stupid.
 
2014-06-08 10:35:19 PM  

haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless


Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.
 
2014-06-08 10:35:51 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Long story short, Tucker is a real dumbass.

 
2014-06-08 10:38:21 PM  
No more Raw Story links, plz
 
2014-06-08 10:38:23 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


The law in a lot if states says yes.
 
2014-06-08 10:39:30 PM  
 
2014-06-08 10:39:31 PM  
People, the mere fact that you did not intend harm does not absolve you from being responsible when you do harm.

The term "accident" does not mean "nobody's at fault".  If I'm on the jury, and, in fact, the proximate cause of this wreck turns out to be he fell asleep, then he's gonna do some time.
 
2014-06-08 10:40:47 PM  

CantConfirmOrDeny: People, the mere fact that you did not intend harm does not absolve you from being responsible when you do harm.

The term "accident" does not mean "nobody's at fault".  If I'm on the jury, and, in fact, the proximate cause of this wreck turns out to be he fell asleep, then he's gonna do some time.


One can argue that 10 years is too extreme, but yeah, he should be locked away for a small amount of time in the least.
 
2014-06-08 10:42:07 PM  

cirby: lack of warmth:
A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.

Neither do you.

The actual details that are known? A truck driver hit a small bus and killed/injured several people. It happened at about 1 AM. The truck driver has been charged. The police say that they have no indication that the driver was asleep. That's about it for pertinent information.

The cause could have been the driver falling asleep. Or a driver who wasn't paying enough attention. Or a driver who was looking at his GPS instead of the road. Or any of a large number of other things, ranging from mechanical failure to just plain bad driving.

But for some reason, since the truck was a Wal-Mart truck, a whole lot of folks immediately grabbed onto the "he was asleep because WAL-MART is EVIL!"


My statement was towards a separate accident, so WTH are you talking about?

Atharaenea: lack of warmth: Atharaenea: Last summer a truck driver smashed a Jeep carrying a family of 7 between his semi and another semi. No charges were filed, though everyone in the Jeep died.

But this time a truck driver killed someone famous and put another famous person in a hospital, so hell yeah charges have been filed.

A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.  You are welcome to fill us in on the full story if you wish.

http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9208855/


I looked it up, and it seems he wasn't charged because they couldn't prove he was negligent.  Yes, he had a terrible record, but the police couldn't find enough evidence of neglect because he was sober, awake and not speeding.  Tragic, yes very much so, but it is always about the proof, and I hope he isn't driving anymore.  The driver in the Morgan wreck must not have had his book in order, which is why a lot of companies are forcing the electronic book keeping for their truckers.  If they try to cheat it, they'll probably get caught much faster.
 
2014-06-08 10:44:02 PM  
"I can only imagine the guilt that he's already feeling," Fox News co-host Anna Kooiman observed.

Of course she can only imagine, she work at Fox News. Not being able to feel guilt is pretty much required.
 
2014-06-08 10:44:19 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


Yes, thousands of people a year are killed by sleeping drivers.  More than half of all accidents involve sleep-deprived drivers.
The National Transportation Safety Board reported that drowsy driving was likely the cause of more than half of crashes leading to a truck driver's death. For each truck driver fatality, another three to four people are killed .
So it is a much more serious issue than you seem to think.
 
2014-06-08 10:46:40 PM  
If you fall asleep at work and it causes an accident where someone dies, you will face some legal repercussions including possible jail time. This really isn't hard to understand.
 
2014-06-08 10:47:42 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: If you fall asleep at work and it causes an accident where someone dies, you will face some legal repercussions including possible jail time. This really isn't hard to understand.


Eh, shiat happens.

/some people actually believe this apparently
 
2014-06-08 10:48:11 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


Well one gets you in a fatal wreck and...oh wait, they both do.
 
2014-06-08 10:48:19 PM  
Carlson is a bit of a jerk, but he has a point.

Yes falling asleep on the wheel is serious.   It is a common cause of accidents.  There also many other causes of accidents that the driver is at fault.    But the simple reality is that most every driver is guilty of something that could have caused a fatal accident.  If this driver deserves ten years, then so does every single person who has ever driven while too tired.   The difference between this guy and a thousand others is that he was the one whose recklessness resulted in a death and the thousands of others merely could have.  Will locking him up teach him a lesson that he has has not already learned?  No.  Will locking him up deter anyone?  No.   Maybe the justice system needs to worry about acting in such a way that makes our world better instead of being vengeance for the sake of vengeance.   We can't bring back those who are killed by accidents no matter what we do to those who cause accidents and no matter what we do to their families.

And to anyone who denies doing something that could have gotten someone killed.  You are either lying to yourself or your just plain lying.
 
2014-06-08 10:48:23 PM  

SunsetLament: Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."


Fark that. Keep in control of the god damned 2 ton guided missile you are piloting or rot in prison where you belong. You can farking sleep/text/check your facebook at home where you are supposed to. I am sympathetic for people who kill somebody in a wreck because of mechanical failure, animal jumping through the windshield etc.

But if the accident is caused by the driver, then fark the driver. We coddle our drivers too much already. A good number of you deserve to be flogged for the way you drive.
 
2014-06-08 10:49:04 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.


Well, unfortunately for you and Tucker, we have laws that cover these kinds of things.

New Jersey: A driver that has been without sleep for 24 hours is considered to be driving recklessly, in the same class as an intoxicated driver. (New Jersey Statues §2C:11-5)

- - -

Whether the driver is guilty of this or not is up to the court to decide, but you don't get to decide -- unless you get together with like-minded people and work to change the statute.
 
2014-06-08 10:52:02 PM  

umad: SunsetLament: Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."

Fark that. Keep in control of the god damned 2 ton guided missile you are piloting or rot in prison where you belong. You can farking sleep/text/check your facebook at home where you are supposed to. I am sympathetic for people who kill somebody in a wreck because of mechanical failure, animal jumping through the windshield etc.

But if the accident is caused by the driver, then fark the driver. We coddle our drivers too much already. A good number of you deserve to be flogged for the way you drive.


Amen.

I live along Interstate 70 and drive that road very often. Driving on that road has made me hate trucks and truck drivers and make me think they're all a bunch of assholes.

They're either driving too fast or driving too slow, and when they're driving too slow, they happen to be in the middle lane.

I'm actually surprised accidents like these don't happen more often.
 
2014-06-08 10:52:49 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Peter von Nostrand: If you fall asleep at work and it causes an accident where someone dies, you will face some legal repercussions including possible jail time. This really isn't hard to understand.

Eh, shiat happens.

/some people actually believe this apparently


Personal responsibility ftw. Or not. Whatever
 
2014-06-08 10:53:49 PM  
Some people sleepwalk. I know a guy who used to regularly drive 45 miles in his sleep. Never caused any problems.
 
2014-06-08 10:55:25 PM  

fusillade762: boinkingbill: Considering Tracy Morgan wasn't all that funny, the driver shouldn't be charged at all.

I don't find you funny. Can I kill you?


That's what OJ said to Ron Goldman, and he wasn't convicted of murder.
 
2014-06-08 10:56:46 PM  

RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.


Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.
 
2014-06-08 10:57:40 PM  
Tucker is a piece of crap douche ladle. He is also largely correct in this instance.
 
2014-06-08 11:00:17 PM  

Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness.


And thus, he is qualified to provide roadside assistance.
www.cedarmi.com
 
2014-06-08 11:02:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: umad: SunsetLament: Sometimes a tragedy, no matter how bad, is simply an accident.  Is it possible to fall asleep at the wheel without it being "reckless"?  Yes, of course it is - particularly on the highway where you're pretty much driving in a straight line (often with cruise control on), in the dark.  It's terrible that someone died, but that doesn't automatically mean you have to ruin the life of the person responsible just because.  If there are drugs or alcohol involved?  Prison for decades.  But absent drugs or alcohol (or something equally as irresponsible), it should be chalked up to "sometimes bad things happen."

Fark that. Keep in control of the god damned 2 ton guided missile you are piloting or rot in prison where you belong. You can farking sleep/text/check your facebook at home where you are supposed to. I am sympathetic for people who kill somebody in a wreck because of mechanical failure, animal jumping through the windshield etc.

But if the accident is caused by the driver, then fark the driver. We coddle our drivers too much already. A good number of you deserve to be flogged for the way you drive.

Amen.

I live along Interstate 70 and drive that road very often. Driving on that road has made me hate trucks and truck drivers and make me think they're all a bunch of assholes.

They're either driving too fast or driving too slow, and when they're driving too slow, they happen to be in the middle lane.

I'm actually surprised accidents like these don't happen more often.


I'm not just talking truck drivers, which is why I said "two ton". I would have the same opinion on this story even if this guy was driving a Civic.
 
2014-06-08 11:04:13 PM  

sirrerun: Sail The Wide Accountancy: I...agree...with...Tucker. *vomits*

Accidents happen. There's even a word for it. It's called an accident. If he wasn't drinking, or doing drugs. I mean. There's a million people on the highway in tiny metal boxes going an average of 65 mph, you're going to have accidents. And hell. Everyone on the highway hates my guts because I have the audacity to go the speed limit.

If this guys had a safe record I agree that he should not have to serve time. Jesus. The people who purposefully bankrupted our nation didn't get shiat.

Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day. 34,000 other people die a year from auto accidents. I haven't heard squat about them and most of them don't go to jail unless they've actually taken a substance.

Well, unfortunately for you and Tucker, we have laws that cover these kinds of things.

New Jersey: A driver that has been without sleep for 24 hours is considered to be driving recklessly, in the same class as an intoxicated driver. (New Jersey Statues §2C:11-5)

- - -

Whether the driver is guilty of this or not is up to the court to decide, but you don't get to decide -- unless you get together with like-minded people and work to change the statute.


Yes. And if that proves to be the case, by all means. How exactly do you know when the last time he slept was? I'm actually asking. I haven't read that.

And yes. shiat happens. Sometimes that shiat causes someone to die. Sometimes it's friendly fire that takes out a dozen fellow soldiers. Sometimes it's taking the wrong drug at a hospital. Sometimes it's a car accident because some kid is texting.

Should they be removed from society? If all you want is revenge, then sure. Why anyone on here would care...oh wait, right. a famous person is involved.
 
2014-06-08 11:07:41 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Why anyone on here would care...oh wait, right. a famous person is involved.


Really?
Why would I care if lots of semi drivers are nodding off behind the wheel?
In general, it's because I am often on the same roads.
Nothing at all to do with Tracy Morgan.

I AM AT RISK WHEN YOU OTHER ASSHOLES DRIVE DISTRACTED.
 
2014-06-08 11:07:43 PM  
has his condition updated from critical to dead?
 
2014-06-08 11:09:32 PM  
A misleading headline? On my Fark?

It's more likely than you might think.
 
2014-06-08 11:10:13 PM  

TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.

Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.


No there aren't.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay child support.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay your taxes.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay your taxes, or commit fraud.  You don't go to jail if your dog mauls someone who was poking it with a stick.  Hell, in most, if not all, states you aren't even civilly liable if your dog attacks someone who provoked it.
 
2014-06-08 11:15:47 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: The difference between this guy and a thousand others is that he was the one whose recklessness resulted in a death and the thousands of others merely could have.


Give the man a prize. Yes, that is the only difference. If you are worn out from you newborn screaming all night, and you chose to drive and cause a fatality, you go to jail like thousands of others before you. If you cannot operate safely, you cannot operate legally.

Will locking him up teach him a lesson that he has has not already learned?  No.  Will locking him up deter anyone?  No.   Maybe the justice system needs to worry about acting in such a way that makes our world better instead of being vengeance for the sake of vengeance.

Hate to tell you this, but the same is true for millions in prison all over the world. Again, guys who lose their job and can't pay taxes or child support. They don't even have a place to live, and they go to jail when they can't pony up the $1200 a month, like a coworker of mine this winter when no one in his industry had work.

His child support is 1/3 of what he made five years ago, which is half of what he makes now. During the miserable winter, work screeched to a halt, he didn't make anything close to $1200 a month, so off to jail he went.

No one cried for him. Except maybe his daughter, who tried and failed to live with him instead of her drunk of a mother who clears $4K a month and doesn't give the kid shiat from either pile.

Remember that the next time a judge in your town is running for re-election.
 
2014-06-08 11:17:25 PM  
Cops, and the media like to act as if DUI, and impaired driving fatalities are on the rise, when in fact they have been steadily on the decline.

In fact, traffic fatalities (all kinds) have been steadily dropping since 1949.
 
2014-06-08 11:22:55 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Should they be removed from society? If all you want is revenge, then sure.


So even if he killed someone, what kind of punishment do you think he deserves?
 
2014-06-08 11:23:47 PM  

fusillade762: boinkingbill: Considering Tracy Morgan wasn't all that funny, the driver shouldn't be charged at all.

I don't find you funny. Can I kill you?


When it concerns Tracy Morgan, I gather it's only acceptable to joke about killng a person you find "funny."
 
2014-06-08 11:26:32 PM  
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet

aurorasblog.com
 
2014-06-08 11:30:41 PM  

RelativeEase: TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.

Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.

No there aren't.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay child support.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay your taxes.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay your taxes, or commit fraud.  You don't go to jail if your dog mauls someone who was poking it with a stick.  Hell, in most, if not all, states you aren't even civilly liable if your dog attacks someone who provoked it.

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I've BEEN in jail with people that didn't pay child support, so stop talking out of your ass.
They even take their drivers licenses away, not that it makes any sense.

A woman 8 miles away from me was recently sentenced to 6 months for letting her dogs run free, (despite repeated warnings) and they bit someone.

There was case in NYC a few years ago in which a building superintendent's dog got free and mauled a female lawyer to death.
He was in Rikers for close to a year.

Then again, I don't live in a backwards state like Louisiana.

People don't go to jail for not paying taxes?
Wesley Snipes would beg to differ, as would thousands of others.
 
2014-06-08 11:32:15 PM  

LineNoise: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: LineNoise: What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?

They could scale back their delivery schedules by 24 hours as a way to encourage drivers to be more careful. A 4 hour construction delay or a traffic congestion around a major city wouldn't force these guys to drive extra long to make up the required hours.

Walmart has the size and money to do it, and could very easily set an industry standard by adopting that rule. "Give your workers a little more time for safety or you'll never get another Walmart contract again" would send a pretty clear message.

Has anything come out saying this guy was pulling crazy hours or doing something elswise dangerous to meet a walmart schedule? Or are you just assuming shiat because you want to hate on a company?

If this guy was falsifying logs, sure, lock him up. If this guy was ignoring other regulations, lock him up. If walmart was shown to be doing anything to encourage that behavior, sue the pants off them. Absolutely.

But if he was within regulations, walmart did nothing wrong. Take it up with your congressman to change the DOT regulations for what a trucker can work to be whatever you deem safe (ignoring the fact that those regulations were determined by actual experts in the field).

Oh, and then don't come complaining when every product suddenly doubles in price because now the cost of shipping it has to factor in a team of drivers that switches out every hour to make sure everyone is fresh and in compliance.


WELL SAID^^

Perfect summary.
 
2014-06-08 11:34:52 PM  

sirrerun: Sail The Wide Accountancy: Why anyone on here would care...oh wait, right. a famous person is involved.

Really?
Why would I care if lots of semi drivers are nodding off behind the wheel?
In general, it's because I am often on the same roads.
Nothing at all to do with Tracy Morgan.

I AM AT RISK WHEN YOU OTHER ASSHOLES DRIVE DISTRACTED.


HEAR HEAR! I'm a pedestrian, which oftentimes means walking close to roadways. When drivers nod off, it puts me at great risk.

(CSB: Some old f*cker who wasn't paying attention in a McDonald's parking lot hit me because, as he said, his Big Mac had pickles on it. He lost focus, hit me, and angered the living hell out of my dickey hip over some motherf*cking pickles. Let me just say that I am glad for [legal] narcotics.)
 
2014-06-08 11:35:27 PM  

Snarfangel: cirby: lack of warmth:
A lot of details left out of your story, or you don't have the full story, so there is nothing useful in your statement.

Neither do you.

The actual details that are known? A truck driver hit a small bus and killed/injured several people. It happened at about 1 AM. The truck driver has been charged. The police say that they have no indication that the driver was asleep. That's about it for pertinent information.

The cause could have been the driver falling asleep. Or a driver who wasn't paying enough attention. Or a driver who was looking at his GPS instead of the road. Or any of a large number of other things, ranging from mechanical failure to just plain bad driving.

But for some reason, since the truck was a Wal-Mart truck, a whole lot of folks immediately grabbed onto the "he was asleep because WAL-MART is EVIL!"

Sloth is one of the seven deadly sins. QED.


images2.memedroid.com
 
2014-06-08 11:36:32 PM  

RelativeEase: You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.


Lol, wut?

My dad almost went to jail because he was out of work and couldn't really afford to pay child support for my older siblings.  If my mom wasn't holding a full time job, he would of been gone.  And I quote him the day he went to court, "I could be going to jail for not having money."  I replied, "What, you can go to jail for not having money?"  He went on to say, "When you can't pay child support, you sure can."  I thought I wouldn't see him again till he walked into the house that evening.  He paid on that child support for a couple years after they turned 18, so no, they do not discount child support for losing a job.
 
2014-06-08 11:36:45 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.


Not just us: there have been studies that confirm it. Here's one: http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1162167

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports that about 100000 accidents per year are caused by fatigued/sleepy drivers. Granted, that's a very small number when we average around 30 million MVAs per year (33 million in 2009, couldn't find anything more recent and was too lazy to look terribly hard), but it's not insignificant, which is why there are records kept on the statistic.
 
2014-06-08 11:41:19 PM  

TommyymmoT: People don't go to jail for not paying taxes?
Wesley Snipes would beg to differ, as would thousands of others.


In a lot of cases, you can owe a boatload of back taxes, and you're not going to jail. If you owe, say, $25,000 to the IRS, you're not going to jail. But Snipes owed in the millions, therefore jail.

As for the original point (about people going to jail for things like robbing a bank and dealing drugs), there is a reason why there are different sentencing guidelines. Dealing drugs will get you some months, maybe two years, of jail time (unless you're black, in which case you earn a life in prison). Robbing a bank? A decade or more in the pokey, where you will be poked in the -ey.
 
2014-06-08 11:44:30 PM  

Aigoo: Sail The Wide Accountancy: haknudsen: steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.

Drinking or drugging and then driving is, "Just a mistake" too.  Driving while impared in any way is reckless

Just so I'm clear. You believe that drinking a 12 pack and getting in your truck is the same as driving while you're tired.

Not just us: there have been studies that confirm it. Here's one: http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1162167

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports that about 100000 accidents per year are caused by fatigued/sleepy drivers. Granted, that's a very small number when we average around 30 million MVAs per year (33 million in 2009, couldn't find anything more recent and was too lazy to look terribly hard), but it's not insignificant, which is why there are records kept on the statistic.


In Pennsylvania, you can be charged with a DUI* for driving while tired.  It's very rarely done, though.

*PA is a DUI (Driving Under Influence) not a DWI (Driving While Intoxicated), which gives them a lot of leeway for charges when the driver is under the effects of stuff not readily testable (designer drugs, marijauna, Benedryl, sleep deprivation, etc...).  The '.08' limit is just there as a guide for the level of DUI charge, not as an indicator of where you are legally "OK to drive".  If it's below .08, then the officer has to testify that the alcohol was, in some observable and provable manor, still affecting your ability to safely drive.  Same goes with charging a driver with DUI for things like sleep deprivation.

/Got pulled over with a .06 in 2004 at 3am
//still got charged with a DUI
///Lawyer explained to me all these lovely nuances of the DUI law (.06 + presumed sleepiness == charge)
 
2014-06-08 11:45:38 PM  
That thundering-jackwagon is still a thing?  How is he still on the air - anywhere?
 
2014-06-08 11:48:22 PM  

jayhawk88: Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?

Because if a driver gets 10 years for falling asleep at the wheel, people are going to start asking questions of Wal-Mart and other companies about what kind of policies they have in place with regards to making sure drivers are getting enough sleep. Drivers are going to start telling stories about how they got pressured to drive X number of miles in Y number of hours, stories of other drivers falling asleep and running into cars not containing famous black comedians will start surfacing, and all of the sudden Wal-Mart's cost to move freight from point A to B are costing them about a dollar more a mile.


This.

And more than this: driving hours for long-haul truckers are regulated.

Regulations - as unquestionable Rebublican holy doctrine states - decrease profits and kill jobs.
 
2014-06-08 11:48:58 PM  
You are responsible for what you do when you get behind the wheel.
You are responsible for staying away from the driver's seat if you cannot drive safely.
 
2014-06-08 11:53:20 PM  

TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.

Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.

No there aren't.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay child support.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay your taxes.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay your taxes, or commit fraud.  You don't go to jail if your dog mauls someone who was poking it with a stick.  Hell, in most, if not all, states you aren't even civilly liable if your dog attacks someone who provoked it.
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I've BEEN in jail with people that didn't pay child support, so stop talking out of your ass.
They even take their drivers licenses away, not that it makes any sense.

A woman 8 miles away from me was recently sentenced to 6 months for letting her dogs run free, (despite repeated warnings) and they bit someone.

There was case in NYC a few years ago in which a building superintendent's dog got free and mauled a female lawyer to death.
He was in Rikers for close to a year.

Then again, I don't live in a backwards state like Louisiana.

People don't go to jail for not paying taxes?
Wesley Snipes would beg to differ, as would thousands of others.


If you lose your job, get demoted, etc., you just have to ask the court for a modification of support.  Did the female lawyer provoke the dog by poking it with a stick before it attacked her?  Wesley Snipes didn't go to jail for not being able to afford to pay taxes.  He went to jail for tax evasion.  Tax evasion involves the intentional nonpayment of taxes.  But, congratulations on your geographic location.
 
2014-06-09 12:12:18 AM  

RelativeEase: TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: TommyymmoT: RelativeEase: Dwindle: Sail The Wide Accountancy:No. Is he the same as a guy who robs a bank at gunpoint? No. Is he the same as a drug runner doing a drive by? No. Yet you'd have him locked up with those people?

Is he the same as a guy who lost his job and couldn't pay his taxes or child support? Is he the same as a guy who left the range on and burned down his apartment building? Or the lady whose dog escaped and mauled a child who was poking it with a stick?

Jails are full of people like this.

Literally no one is in jail for those things.

Actually, there are people in jail for ALL of those things (especially child support), and I'm just going by news reports I've heard locally in the last 5 years.

No there aren't.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay child support.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay child support.  You don't go to jail if you can't afford to pay your taxes.  You go to jail if you refuse to pay your taxes, or commit fraud.  You don't go to jail if your dog mauls someone who was poking it with a stick.  Hell, in most, if not all, states you aren't even civilly liable if your dog attacks someone who provoked it.
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I've BEEN in jail with people that didn't pay child support, so stop talking out of your ass.
They even take their drivers licenses away, not that it makes any sense.

A woman 8 miles away from me was recently sentenced to 6 months for letting her dogs run free, (despite repeated warnings) and they bit someone.

There was case in NYC a few years ago in which a building superintendent's dog got free and mauled a female lawyer to death.
He was in Rikers for close to a year.

Then again, I don't live in a backwards state like Louisiana.

People don't go to jail for not paying taxes?
Wesley Snipes would beg to differ, as would thousands of others.

If you lose your job, get demoted, etc., you just have to ask the court for a modification of support.  Did the female law ...
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Oftentimes, people owe child support to more than one person, in more than one court, and they all want to be paid first.
Irresponsible yes, but no unheard of.

Personally think that people who shirk their responsibilities as a parent, are little more than vermin, and deserved to be punished at times.

I still can't figure out the whole license forfeiture thing though.
In many places if you don't drive you probably won't find work.

As far as my location goes, my primary residence is in a nice suburb (Niskayuna) of Albany NY, but I grew up in NYC, and still keep an apartment there for work.
 
2014-06-09 12:12:25 AM  
fark this guy and fark truck drivers who put their paycheck over the safety of every single person they share those roads with.
 
2014-06-09 12:19:48 AM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: h


You keep talking about whether or not the truck driver was "on anything."

That has little bearing when the question is whether or not the asshole was driving while tired.
 
2014-06-09 12:20:02 AM  
I'm fast asleep at the wheel right now so I'll be getting a kick out of these replies after I wake up just before I plow into another vehicle.
 
2014-06-09 12:21:36 AM  

SaladMonkey: Damn...I can't believe I have to say this...but....here goes....I agree with Tucker.  Assuming the guy fell asleep at the wheel, I wouldn't give him recklessness, I would give him negligence.  I haven't consulted the statutes, but I believe this is more likely to fall under some equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.  Like Tucker said, sleep is a biological imperative, and is therefore different from things like drinking alcohol.   There are many people that drive severely sleep deprived with no real choice (new parents come to mind).

I'm not a truck driver, but I used to be in a long distance relationship that required driving about 5 hours to see the girl.  I've on occasion had to make that trek sleep deprived, and one specific time I remember nodding off at the wheel for a second or two.  It was the scariest thing ever, particularly in how unexpected it was.  I had just gotten a giant cup of dunkin donuts coffee which I was drinking while "singing" along to metal on the radio.  Next thing I know, I wake up with a start and realize that my car has started drifting into the shoulder.  Now, if I plowed into someone, and someone died, clearly I would have been at fault.  However, I don't think my mens rea would have justified a 10 year sentence.  Yes, I was tired and driving, but I did not feel like I was THAT tired.  Just the same kind of tired I've driven through many times before with no issues.  The body does unexpected stuff sometimes when it comes to sleep.

/yes...this is all pure speculation, but still


Newsflash: No matter your reason for driving around tired, you are still putting yourself and every other person the road at risk when you selfishly make the decision to get behind the wheel and start tooling around when you should be trying to catch a nap.

Your excuse doesn't matter. You are not important enough that your trip can't wait 20 minutes while you rest.
 
2014-06-09 12:26:44 AM  

IlGreven: "I'm really struck by the idea that someone who falls asleep - which is something that everybody does every day, not necessarily considered an act of recklessness "


I take a dump every day but I'll bet he wouldn't like it if I took a dump on his face.

though I wouldn't bet much
 
2014-06-09 12:31:03 AM  
A driver who is knowingly pushing himself beyond a reasonable lack of rest is intentionally doing something dangerous; a driver who has had areasonable amount of sleep in the past 24 hours and has taken breaks with reasonable frequency and nonetheless inadvertently dozes off for a second  shouldn't get any driving awards but is in a different category when it comes to his culpability.

Failing to watch the road and missing an obvious obstacle in your lane can lead to someone's death too, but I'd say there's a big moral/legal difference depending whether the reason is "he was trying to see how long he could keep his eyes closedwithout leaving his lane" or"he had filled his car with unrestrained badgers" or"he glanced at the person in the passenger seat" or "he sneezed at aninopportune  time."

There's a good chance, for obvious reasons, that a sleeping trucker was making reckless decisions, but it requires more information than "he fell asleep" to make that call, IMO.
 
2014-06-09 12:44:37 AM  
Why you no space my words like I ask you to, Fark?
 
2014-06-09 12:53:29 AM  
It's a good thing congress just voted to increase truck drivers work weeks by 15 hours to 85 hours. We will get to have many more of these thread very soon!
 
2014-06-09 12:58:34 AM  
I like the comic from toothpastefordinner.com, that show the 7 deadly sins as "sloth", and 2-7 "whatever".
 
2014-06-09 01:21:02 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Ambivalence: Tucker Carlson has elevated himself to AAA+ level douchiness. WTF? He says ten years for falling asleep is too much? Someone died! And people don't generally fall asleep outside their control unless they are severely fatigued to the point of being impaired and driving impaired is most certainly reckless, especially when you're driving a big rig.

Seriously, WTF? Why did he even feel the need to comment?

And the damnedest thing is, there's a reason WHY these guys drive themselves to the point of almost fatigue - razor thin delivery schedules from corporate buyers with low compensation for the work required.

That point won't get addressed.


This.
 
2014-06-09 01:34:57 AM  
I would never blame a commercial driver for falling asleep.

Because I know the INSANE hours they are usually expected to drive, and rightly place all of that blame with companies and the government for legally allowing it. They shouldn't be allowed to drive an hour over 40 per week. It's absolutely farking insane what companies are allowed to get away with, and what people will endure for a job. If I got that little sleep I would literally go insane (my depression would return strongly), and yet we allow people to drive huge commercial vehicles on punishing schedules that don't allow them enough sleep.
 
2014-06-09 01:50:07 AM  

d23: When Jon Stewart showed what an absolute ass he was on Crossfire he should have never gotten another job.  Tucker Carlson is the biggest idiot on TV today, and that's a VERY high bar.


Bigger than Sean Hannity?

/ citation needed
 
2014-06-09 01:51:51 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: fark this guy and fark truck drivers who put their paycheck over the safety of every single person they share those roads with.


Pretty much this.

As a trucker I can easily understand the vitriol we get. I have been driving for roughly 9 months now. I love it. The company I drive for is rather large and our main goal is safety, so much so that delayed loads are forgiven for matters of weather or fatigue. From the time I am done for the day I have 10hrs (sometimes more but a minimum of 10) to eat, sleep, shower and shave.

I have been in situations where I have had to pull off and rest. I either inform my company that I will be delayed or if I am running on time I take no action. DOZING OFF WHILST IN MOTION IS UNFORGIVABLE. I am in favor of treating accidents like this as a DUI.

I am not saying I am perfect as I am still new however my paycheck is not worth the few seconds that could potentially kill a person. I also perform a task, I am not under the impression that I am to be worshipped as a god because I haul things. That example would be like saying the McDonalds worker should be worshipped because he feeds the masses. Of course my example sucks.

Anyway, the current rule is fine. 70Hrs in an 8 day period. A good chunk of that time also includes inspection, time at shipper/receiver and other things.

/Maybe I tried too hard
//Maybe nobody cares
///Maybe slashies
 
2014-06-09 02:10:53 AM  
Both Carlson and the trucker are assholes.

In the 20+ years I spent as a claims adjuster, many of them as an on call outside adjuster, I handled one hell of a lot of MVAs and a good many of them semi accidents where I got called out in the middle of the night to the scene.  Let me tell you, at least 90% of the semi accidents where the semi driver swore up and down "I swerved to miss a deer."  Bullshiat. in every case, they had either fallen asleep at the wheel or were drunk off their asses and I was usually able to prove it.


These guys were keeping double sets of books on driving and resting times.  They'd trot out the doctored books after an accident, but a good investigator  or cop knew to look for the real books.  It's harder now to pull that shiat, what with trucks equipped with GPS transponders that report back times and positions in real time and record same.


However, truth be told, a lot of the abuse was due to pressure from owners and shippers to get the cargo from point A to point B in the least time possible.  It just invited abuse.
 
2014-06-09 02:11:35 AM  

steamingpile: Its amazing, fox news is attached to something and instantly the hate train starts even though he said nothing like the subby states in the headline. In fact he said he's NOT defending anyone.... Only comparing it to DUI or using drugs getting punished harshly, sure its reckless but sometimes a mistake is just that, a mistake.

I hate most news shows for spinning shiat to their benefit but this leap is just moronic.


Ain't no hate like Liberal hate.
 
2014-06-09 02:17:41 AM  

Dwindle: Few people realize driving while drowsy is akin to driving drunk and is charged the same.
I have suffered a lifetime of insomnia, come close many times to almost causing a serious accident, and I know my number will come up sooner or later.

#legalizemethforsafedriving


I have narcolepsy and before I knew that diagnosis I knew to take the next damn exit and park in the first populated lot I could find.

I honestly do hope that post doesn't f--king come true.
 
2014-06-09 02:33:53 AM  
Penoatle:

Anyway, the current rule is fine. 70Hrs in an 8 day period. A good chunk of that time also includes inspection, time at shipper/receiver and other things.


The House just voted to up that to 82 hours in 8 days
 
2014-06-09 02:39:06 AM  

anuran: Penoatle:

Anyway, the current rule is fine. 70Hrs in an 8 day period. A good chunk of that time also includes inspection, time at shipper/receiver and other things.


The House just voted to up that to 82 hours in 8 days


I know. I like the current (soon old, I guess) system. The new might get a run but it may be replaced. I DNRTFA on the new change as I can not see much changing in how I work. It all varies from driver to driver.
 
2014-06-09 02:42:30 AM  
A while ago a friend asked me to ride with him on a 1300 mile run because an unexpected truck repair put him behind and he needed someone to help him stay awake. That was a rough two days and we outran the log by a noticeable margin, but those times that he went from being tired to being sleepy he pulled the hell over and climbed in the bunk. There's a difference between being over your time limits and being actually dangerous. TFA guy was dangerous and didn't have the sense of responsibility to make himself safe - fark him.

/Stay away from cabovers unless you want to be the first person at the scene of an accident.
 
2014-06-09 02:49:04 AM  

Penoatle: The My Little Pony Killer: fark this guy and fark truck drivers who put their paycheck over the safety of every single person they share those roads with.

Pretty much this.

As a trucker I can easily understand the vitriol we get. I have been driving for roughly 9 months now. I love it. The company I drive for is rather large and our main goal is safety, so much so that delayed loads are forgiven for matters of weather or fatigue. From the time I am done for the day I have 10hrs (sometimes more but a minimum of 10) to eat, sleep, shower and shave.

I have been in situations where I have had to pull off and rest. I either inform my company that I will be delayed or if I am running on time I take no action. DOZING OFF WHILST IN MOTION IS UNFORGIVABLE. I am in favor of treating accidents like this as a DUI.

I am not saying I am perfect as I am still new however my paycheck is not worth the few seconds that could potentially kill a person. I also perform a task, I am not under the impression that I am to be worshipped as a god because I haul things. That example would be like saying the McDonalds worker should be worshipped because he feeds the masses. Of course my example sucks.

Anyway, the current rule is fine. 70Hrs in an 8 day period. A good chunk of that time also includes inspection, time at shipper/receiver and other things.

/Maybe I tried too hard
//Maybe nobody cares
///Maybe slashies


Good to know your company seems decent. Thanks for driving safe.
 
2014-06-09 02:52:02 AM  

Ex-Texan: I like the comic from toothpastefordinner.com, that show the 7 deadly sins as "sloth", and 2-7 "whatever".


I like the one that shows a laid trap, a guy behind a bush shouting "their first album was better!" with the caption "to catch the wild hipster you must replicate its mating call exactly".
 
2014-06-09 03:00:38 AM  

Penoatle: The My Little Pony Killer: fark this guy and fark truck drivers who put their paycheck over the safety of every single person they share those roads with.

Pretty much this.

As a trucker I can easily understand the vitriol we get. I have been driving for roughly 9 months now. I love it. The company I drive for is rather large and our main goal is safety, so much so that delayed loads are forgiven for matters of weather or fatigue. From the time I am done for the day I have 10hrs (sometimes more but a minimum of 10) to eat, sleep, shower and shave.

I have been in situations where I have had to pull off and rest. I either inform my company that I will be delayed or if I am running on time I take no action. DOZING OFF WHILST IN MOTION IS UNFORGIVABLE. I am in favor of treating accidents like this as a DUI.

I am not saying I am perfect as I am still new however my paycheck is not worth the few seconds that could potentially kill a person. I also perform a task, I am not under the impression that I am to be worshipped as a god because I haul things. That example would be like saying the McDonalds worker should be worshipped because he feeds the masses. Of course my example sucks.

Anyway, the current rule is fine. 70Hrs in an 8 day period. A good chunk of that time also includes inspection, time at shipper/receiver and other things.

/Maybe I tried too hard
//Maybe nobody cares
///Maybe slashies


I care, and good for you. The guy I spoke of above actually used to drive for Walmart and things aren't anywhere near as forgiving in a world like that. It sounds like you drive for one of the good ones and as long as your money and mileage remain good I'd say stick with 'em. And if you ever go independent remember that you don't need to haul for someone who gets pissy that you're late because you needed to sleep or didn't want to drive through a hurricane. There's always another load and unless you're loaded with 50k lbs of human organs for transplant it just isn't that time-critical.
 
2014-06-09 03:15:24 AM  
I used to do a lot of long distance driving, especially at night, but not as a trucker, and I know two things: hard pushed truckers can and have fallen asleep at the wheel and those long, boring stretches of interstate highways can be hell to drive without starting to nod off, especially if you spend hours behind the wheel.

Years back, the TV stations broadcast a safety campaign telling you that if you were traveling long distances and were tired, to pull over and grab a nap. Safety first. Shortly after I found out that in the State of Florida, if you did so, especially at night, the Highway Patrol could ticket or arrest you.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Truckers used to pull into the Florida Turnpike way stations at night and grab a few hours of sleep -- at least until the way stations started going down hill. On I-95 it can be quite a distance between exits and if you do exit, you might not want to risk pulling over to nap because of the area you can wind up in. It's also not real wise to do so at the rest stops, especially at late night.

I used to be a courier and drove a small truck hundreds of miles a day, always having to fight the clock. Since I worked a 13 hour day most of the time, I was tired a lot and when I got a delivery way out in the middle of nowhere, those damn long, empty roads that I traveled at around 80 mph made my eyelids feel like lead weights, I'd fight to keep from dozing off, occasionally I even fell asleep for a couple of seconds. When I could, I stopped, got out of the truck and walked around or sat there with my eyes shut, but the clock kept ticking and if I ran late I caught hell.

Sometimes in the middle of the day I had to drive 40 miles along I-95 to one of the company bases, and even with the heavy traffic, I'd find myself nodding.

If I wanted to keep my job, I had to do what I had to do, just like the other drivers. It got harder when the company insisted on inserting 10:00 am delivery deadlines for certain freight, meaning I had to run miles past my usual customers, deliver the timed package, turn around, get all of the folks I missed, turn around and make another sweep to get the customers who were a couple of blocks off the main roads.

After I left the company it took me a year to stop driving as if the fires of hell were after me. I don't even like to make the 40 minute drive to the next city now. (As a courier, I cut that time in half.)

A lot of truckers are pushed hard to perform. Bosses tell them about the regulations and not to speed, then threaten to fire them if they don't get to their customers on time. (That's what Airborne Express did to us.)
 
2014-06-09 04:44:36 AM  

RelativeEase: Look carlson is certainly a douche guy, but him asking whether falling asleep is necessarily reckless is hardly contemptible.


No, it is completely contemptible.  He tried to make a point that sleeping isn't reckless while the entire topic was sleeping behind the wheel of a moving 18 wheeler barreling down the highway.  It's the disassociation that makes his part in the discussion completely asinine.
It's like saying that millions of kids go to school every day, should that really lead to prison time?  Well when a kid goes to school and shoots some teachers and classmates, yes it should lead to prison time.
 
2014-06-09 07:02:34 AM  

Begoggle: No more Raw Story links, plz

 
2014-06-09 07:14:49 AM  
Huh.  We used to hang people for falling asleep, now we can't even lock 'em away?  Damn.
 
2014-06-09 07:43:00 AM  
it's okay in Tucker's mind because it was black people in the limo. ergo they were at fault and the truck driver is the real victim here.
 
2014-06-09 07:54:45 AM  

Penoatle: The My Little Pony Killer: fark this guy and fark truck drivers who put their paycheck over the safety of every single person they share those roads with.

Pretty much this.

As a trucker I can easily understand the vitriol we get. I have been driving for roughly 9 months now. I love it. The company I drive for is rather large and our main goal is safety, so much so that delayed loads are forgiven for matters of weather or fatigue. From the time I am done for the day I have 10hrs (sometimes more but a minimum of 10) to eat, sleep, shower and shave.

I have been in situations where I have had to pull off and rest. I either inform my company that I will be delayed or if I am running on time I take no action. DOZING OFF WHILST IN MOTION IS UNFORGIVABLE. I am in favor of treating accidents like this as a DUI.

I am not saying I am perfect as I am still new however my paycheck is not worth the few seconds that could potentially kill a person. I also perform a task, I am not under the impression that I am to be worshipped as a god because I haul things. That example would be like saying the McDonalds worker should be worshipped because he feeds the masses. Of course my example sucks.

Anyway, the current rule is fine. 70Hrs in an 8 day period. A good chunk of that time also includes inspection, time at shipper/receiver and other things.

/Maybe I tried too hard
//Maybe nobody cares
///Maybe slashies


As someone who deals indirectly with truckers every day and enjoys his occasional cross-country trip, I do care and I thank you and your company.
 
2014-06-09 07:55:55 AM  

nmrsnr: Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.

So it's okay if he fell asleep and killed somebody, because he drives a lot?

I don't know if this was an accident, or if he was reckless, but saying I can't judge someone who (if it turns out he did) falls asleep at the wheel because I'm not a trucker is ridiculous.

I agree he is innocent until proven guilty, and since there's no evidence yet that he fell asleep, we shouldn't assume he did, but the "walk a mile in his shoes" argument doesn't fly if he caused the death of someone by falling asleep at the wheel.


My question is this; if it is found he fell asleep at the wheel, will his employer, Walmart, who frequently pressures drivers to sacrifice sleep to meet the strict delivery times their strict supply-lines require, be held liable for creating an unsafe working environment?
 
2014-06-09 08:25:18 AM  
Sounds like the angry mob should just lynch the truck driver on the side of the road. No need for an investigation. The masses have determined he was sleepy and negligent. Wal-Mart must pay. Make an example out of him.

4-wheelers (cars) have no concept of what it takes to stop an 80,000 lb vehicle with air brakes. Selfish car drivers see the big empty space in front of the truck and zoom-in to fill the void. That space is the trucks safety buffer.

//Why yes, I do have a Class-A CDL
 
2014-06-09 08:26:05 AM  

Heron: nmrsnr: Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.  You don't know, OP because YOU weren't there.  When you've driven a few tens of thousands of miles, and you've filled out your log book after you've had your Class A, Hazmat, Trailers, Airbrakes, then and only then can you complain.

So it's okay if he fell asleep and killed somebody, because he drives a lot?

I don't know if this was an accident, or if he was reckless, but saying I can't judge someone who (if it turns out he did) falls asleep at the wheel because I'm not a trucker is ridiculous.

I agree he is innocent until proven guilty, and since there's no evidence yet that he fell asleep, we shouldn't assume he did, but the "walk a mile in his shoes" argument doesn't fly if he caused the death of someone by falling asleep at the wheel.

My question is this; if it is found he fell asleep at the wheel, will his employer, Walmart, who frequently pressures drivers to sacrifice sleep to meet the strict delivery times their strict supply-lines require, be held liable for creating an unsafe working environment?


Companies can't be found liable for things. Accountability is only for poors.
 
2014-06-09 08:42:23 AM  

FarkinBastard: Sounds like the angry mob should just lynch the truck driver on the side of the road. No need for an investigation. The masses have determined he was sleepy and negligent. Wal-Mart must pay. Make an example out of him.

4-wheelers (cars) have no concept of what it takes to stop an 80,000 lb vehicle with air brakes. Selfish car drivers see the big empty space in front of the truck and zoom-in to fill the void. That space is the trucks safety buffer.

//Why yes, I do have a Class-A CDL


Lynch the trucker on the side of the road?  Untwist those panties there, cupcake.

No, we're not going to let you tell us that you can do whatever it is you want just because you drive a bigger vehicle.  fark you and pull over when you're tired.  Period.  No excuses will be accepted, no shiats given for a tight schedule.   If your employer is requiring you to work dangerous hours, sue them.

None of this conversation had anything to do with truckers being cut off by cars, but nice deflection there.

/it's always amusing to me that the manly men who feel like they do manly men things are all full of bluster and manly man-ness, until they fark up and then it's nothing but a teenager's self-pity tantrum and self-righteous whining
 
2014-06-09 08:57:56 AM  

neomunk: FarkinBastard: Sounds like the angry mob should just lynch the truck driver on the side of the road. No need for an investigation. The masses have determined he was sleepy and negligent. Wal-Mart must pay. Make an example out of him.

4-wheelers (cars) have no concept of what it takes to stop an 80,000 lb vehicle with air brakes. Selfish car drivers see the big empty space in front of the truck and zoom-in to fill the void. That space is the trucks safety buffer.

//Why yes, I do have a Class-A CDL

Lynch the trucker on the side of the road?  Untwist those panties there, cupcake.

No, we're not going to let you tell us that you can do whatever it is you want just because you drive a bigger vehicle.  fark you and pull over when you're tired.  Period.  No excuses will be accepted, no shiats given for a tight schedule.   If your employer is requiring you to work dangerous hours, sue them.

None of this conversation had anything to do with truckers being cut off by cars, but nice deflection there.

/it's always amusing to me that the manly men who feel like they do manly men things are all full of bluster and manly man-ness, until they fark up and then it's nothing but a teenager's self-pity tantrum and self-righteous whining

You sounds as if you are a highly educated professional that has absolutely no real-world skills. You like to hold everyone to higher standards, except for yourself.

'untwist your panties' is a very cerebral retort and well substantiated.

Your expert analysis of the accident scene is also duly noted. If a car occupies the same space as another vehicle, the laws of motion state that there will be a change of direction of both moving objects. What were the results of the recovered black box from the limo? Was it speeding?

Who mentioned schedule? Bigger vehicle does. indeed, have the right-of-way because truck driver is alive and those that don't heed F = M * A get squished.

 
2014-06-09 09:24:42 AM  

FarkinBastard: You sounds as if you are a highly educated professional that has absolutely no real-world skills. You like to hold everyone to higher standards, except for yourself.

'untwist your panties' is a very cerebral retort and well substantiated.

Your expert analysis of the accident scene is also duly noted. If a car occupies the same space as another vehicle, the laws of motion state that there will be a change of direction of both moving objects. What were the results of the recovered black box from the limo? Was it speeding?

Who mentioned schedule? Bigger vehicle does. indeed, have the right-of-way because truck driver is alive and those that don't heed F = M * A get squished.


LOL.  It's hilarious that you switch to a more refined style and a physics lecture to pretend you weren't just knee-jerk defending people who share your profession by projecting fault back at the people you have to share the road with.  I also like how you immediately try and feel me out to see what -I- do for a living, as if it has any bearing on your little "quit being mean to negligent truckers" screed you dumped on us.

And yeah, I'm educated enough to understand F=M A, it's just that that had NOTHING to do with the thread in general (other than suggesting that truckers need to be MORE careful), and is a piss poor deflection from the legitimate criticism your profession gets...  You know, for KILLING people needlessly in order to git er dun.

As far as not holding myself to those standards, my driving record is as clean or (most probably) cleaner than yours, and I used to drive for a living too (those 4 wheelers you denigrate).  I'm quite careful, knowing that I'm maneuvering tons of mass at a high rate.  If I'm tired, I stop.  It's stupidly simple, isn't it?  You know what I don't do?  Take a story about a dude passing out at the wheel and turn it into a rant against the people truckers kill with negligence.

/starting to look like there ain't much difference between a big rig and a high horse in this thread.
//some exceptions may apply
 
2014-06-09 09:26:02 AM  

FarkinBastard: Sounds like the angry mob should just lynch the truck driver on the side of the road. No need for an investigation. The masses have determined he was sleepy and negligent. Wal-Mart must pay. Make an example out of him.

4-wheelers (cars) have no concept of what it takes to stop an 80,000 lb vehicle with air brakes. Selfish car drivers see the big empty space in front of the truck and zoom-in to fill the void. That space is the trucks safety buffer.

//Why yes, I do have a Class-A CDL


That point bears repeating.jpeg

/ lots of crappy Class-C drivers here in Oregon.
 
2014-06-09 09:27:43 AM  
I can't tell who should I hate more?

A.  The Trucker
B.  The Tucker
C.  Walmart
D.  Fox News
 
2014-06-09 09:35:50 AM  

spunkymunky: Maybe it wasn't accidental. Perhaps this truck driver just wanted to rid the world of another "comedian" who isn't actually funny. If so, this was probably just a practice run for Dane Cook, that "ventriloquist" guy with the racist puppet and Jim Davis.


Why the Garfield hate?
 
2014-06-09 09:49:20 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: I can't tell who should I hate more?

A.  The Trucker
B.  The Tucker
C.  Walmart
D.  Fox News


D.

/ always D.
 
2014-06-09 09:55:01 AM  

Tsar_Bomba1: Trailltrader: STOP RIGHT NOW!  Senseless speculation and blaming the truck driver BEFORE the NTSC examines everything is reckless.

http://www.videouniversity.com image 232x174


then put him behind bars!
 
2014-06-09 09:58:03 AM  
Why is it right-wingers are all about personal responsibility... until you're behind the wheel of a vehicle then it's "they can do whatever they damn well please"?
 
2014-06-09 10:11:16 AM  

maram500: Tucker Carlson was an asshat when I woke up this morning, he's an asshat now, and he will forever be a (gap-toothed) asshat.


from what I hear, Tucket Carlson was also an accident.
 
2014-06-09 10:19:15 AM  

jmayson: Why is it right-wingers are all about personal responsibility... until you're behind the wheel of a vehicle then it's "they can do whatever they damn well please"?


Because it's all about them. ( big egos)
 
2014-06-09 10:29:06 AM  
Now, let me just hazard a little bit of guess.

1) The crashees were all of the Negro persuasion.
2) The crasher was of the Caucasian persuasion.

Just a bit of a guess to explain Mr. Carlson's flight of fancy.

I
 
2014-06-09 10:31:45 AM  

SaladMonkey: My point is that recklessness is too high a charge for what may have happened.


Well, I'm going to add the point that you should add "Word" to the beginning of your handle, because you have expended a great of time talking in circles, and adding no new insight.

To wit: "Recklessness" and "Negligence" are in many ways legally equivalent, except that "recklessness" is the assumption of unnecessary risk, whereas negligence is the acceptance of *obvious* and inherently dangerous risk, so you have the "severity" construct exactly backwards (however, recklessness can be so gross as to constitute negligence) and the charge of "Homicide by Automobile" reflects that.  The charge is for an accidental death.

Everything you've argued so forcefully about would change precisely nothing about that, even if you didn't have it backwards, which you do.
 
2014-06-09 11:55:38 AM  

Silly_Sot: Now, let me just hazard a little bit of guess.

1) The crashees were all of the Negro persuasion.
2) The crasher was of the Caucasian persuasion.

Just a bit of a guess to explain Mr. Carlson's flight of fancy.


The trucker is black and hadn't slept for 24 hours. This really confuses my opinion.
 
2014-06-09 11:58:28 AM  

TommyymmoT: I've BEEN in jail...

[snip]

Tommy, me boy, you're among my favorite Farkers, so this pains me, but...

You don't see the distinctions between what you enumerate, and the original claims?

Because there are very distinct distinguishing factors in each instance, and you wrote them out for us:

Unprovoked
dog attacks.

Refusal to pay tax, not inability.

See?

And I'm pretty sure the "Landlord's dogs maul female lawyer to death" case actually was this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Whipple

Which is rather different that what you describe, so...
 
2014-06-09 12:53:36 PM  

Mrtraveler01: ...
Long story short, Tucker is a real dumbass.


Didn't watch the video, but my guess is that he was trying to work some ~inquisitive journalistic magic~  and toss out some "challenge" question to spur conversation....
I hate it when media does this, but when the questions are well thought out and might conceivably draw out more depth to the interview, they're good. When they're asked by a second rate moron and who is just regurgitating what the Network wants him to say, he basically looks like a huge dumbarse
 
2014-06-09 01:39:44 PM  

LineNoise: IlGreven: But the sad part is, this guy gets 10 years. Wal-Mart? Probably not even a fine.


By no means am I a fan of walmart,  but what exactly did they do wrong here, other than have their name on the side of the truck?


...foster a work environment that encourages its drivers to get so little sleep that they're in danger of falling asleep at the wheel?
 
2014-06-09 02:03:19 PM  
Wow.

All of you absolutely uber perfect people are so quick to pass such harsh judgement for a human being being...human.

We're not robots.  Yes, if you're getting paid to drive on the highway you should be held to a higher accountability, yes you should know when you're getting tired...But we're not robots.  Trucks are not something you just go and park for X amount of time  especially in the area he was driving in.

Fact of the matter is, ANY GIVEN TIME ANY of you can be distracted by the radio, by a person talking to you in your car, reach for the heater/AC.  When you suddenly kill someone, I'm going to be first in line to say "STRING'EM UP!  LOCK'EM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!!!!"

And you can come back and give any excuse you want...I'll just hold my hands up to my ears and say "sorry, you're reckless...you're going to lose your job, impact your family's well-being potentially causing them to go on welfare, cost taxpayers a lot of money by going to jail....and when you get out of jail have a really hard time getting a new job...thus causing you to seek state aid (aka yes, welfare) and be a further burden to society".

That all will really bring back the guy you killed when you reached for the heater knob.

/stupid unthinking, irrational people are STUPID
 
2014-06-09 02:37:58 PM  

LineNoise: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: LineNoise: What is walmart supposed to do, hire someone to watch over the guy to make sure he gets some solid REM sleep before each shift?

They could scale back their delivery schedules by 24 hours as a way to encourage drivers to be more careful. A 4 hour construction delay or a traffic congestion around a major city wouldn't force these guys to drive extra long to make up the required hours.

Walmart has the size and money to do it, and could very easily set an industry standard by adopting that rule. "Give your workers a little more time for safety or you'll never get another Walmart contract again" would send a pretty clear message.

Has anything come out saying this guy was pulling crazy hours or doing something elswise dangerous to meet a walmart schedule? Or are you just assuming shiat because you want to hate on a company?

If this guy was falsifying logs, sure, lock him up. If this guy was ignoring other regulations, lock him up. If walmart was shown to be doing anything to encourage that behavior, sue the pants off them. Absolutely.

But if he was within regulations, walmart did nothing wrong. Take it up with your congressman to change the DOT regulations for what a trucker can work to be whatever you deem safe (ignoring the fact that those regulations were determined by actual experts in the field).

Oh, and then don't come complaining when every product suddenly doubles in price because now the cost of shipping it has to factor in a team of drivers that switches out every hour to make sure everyone is fresh and in compliance.


So your whole point in making excuses for this trucker is so that Walmart won't look bad.  A true plutocrat at work.
 
2014-06-09 02:41:36 PM  

hitlersbrain: If fox is defending it, some rich a$$hole somewhere is has money at stake. I'm assuming it's walmart.


The same as what certain people on Fark are making excuses for the driver, they don't want that Conservative icon, Walmark, looking bad in any way and thus don't want their business practices looked at too closely.
 
2014-06-09 05:29:14 PM  
www.personal.psu.edu

What is wrong with you?

I watch your show every day. And it kills me.

/Wisdom.
 
2014-06-09 06:24:15 PM  
 
2014-06-09 06:25:59 PM  
If his victims had been on bikes instead of in a car, you'd all be singing a different tune.
 
2014-06-09 11:52:34 PM  

neomunk: FarkinBastard: You sounds as if you are a highly educated professional that has absolutely no real-world skills. You like to hold everyone to higher standards, except for yourself.

'untwist your panties' is a very cerebral retort and well substantiated.

Your expert analysis of the accident scene is also duly noted. If a car occupies the same space as another vehicle, the laws of motion state that there will be a change of direction of both moving objects. What were the results of the recovered black box from the limo? Was it speeding?

Who mentioned schedule? Bigger vehicle does. indeed, have the right-of-way because truck driver is alive and those that don't heed F = M * A get squished.

LOL.  It's hilarious that you switch to a more refined style and a physics lecture to pretend you weren't just knee-jerk defending people who share your profession by projecting fault back at the people you have to share the road with.  I also like how you immediately try and feel me out to see what -I- do for a living, as if it has any bearing on your little "quit being mean to negligent truckers" screed you dumped on us.

And yeah, I'm educated enough to understand F=M A, it's just that that had NOTHING to do with the thread in general (other than suggesting that truckers need to be MORE careful), and is a piss poor deflection from the legitimate criticism your profession gets...  You know, for KILLING people needlessly in order to git er dun.

As far as not holding myself to those standards, my driving record is as clean or (most probably) cleaner than yours, and I used to drive for a living too (those 4 wheelers you denigrate).  I'm quite careful, knowing that I'm maneuvering tons of mass at a high rate.  If I'm tired, I stop.  It's stupidly simple, isn't it?  You know what I don't do?  Take a story about a dude passing out at the wheel and turn it into a rant against the people truckers kill with negligence.

/starting to look like there ain't much difference between a big r ...



I don't think you can compare your driving professionally for Domino's Pizza to driving a semi truck. Your assumptions sure you make you look ignorant. LOL - hilarious, cupcake- sophomoric rant because you know you can't do anything except push keys on a keyboard. Sorry to confuse the issue with physics.

My MVR is 30+ years without an accident. I don't drive a big rig for a living, but I am credentialed. I've taken the 160 hour driving class required. I own a few combination vehicles for personal use. My major in college was engineering and am still an active member of Society of Automotive Engineers.

It sounds as if they have quickly put full blame on the truck driver in the news. Funny how train and air tragedies take months to investigate.

neotroll: If you are so disciplined in your principles re trucks, you can refuse to use any goods that are transported by them. Put your money where your big mouth is.
 
2014-06-10 08:07:52 AM  

FarkinBastard: I don't think you can compare your driving professionally for Domino's Pizza to driving a semi truck.


Wrong again, and once again trying to deflect from your own stupidity by making fun of what I do now, and did then,  while having no idea what either of those are.  Own up to YOUR own bullshiat instead of trying to shy away from it, you're starting to look like a flailing biatch here.

FarkinBastard: because you know you can't do anything except push keys on a keyboard.


If this is how you argue a point, I bet there isn't much I COULDN'T do better than you, cupcake.

FarkinBastard: Sorry to confuse the issue with physics.


You're not confusing any issue, you're backpedaling away from a ludicrous non-point by trying to deflect.  It's just not working.

FarkinBastard: My MVR is 30+ years without an accident.


And mine is 19 years with nothing but a blinker ticket (the first week I had my license), so unless you've got a TOTALLY ticket free record my original statement still stands.  You very likely don't, so it very likely does.

FarkinBastard: I don't drive a big rig for a living


So you just blow truckers at truckstops or something?  You're putting a whole lot of energy into arguing why they shouldn't be held responsible for their own actions.  Why all the hate for car drivers if you're a car driver?

FarkinBastard: but I am credentialed. I've taken the 160 hour driving class required.


Oh, so you like to pretend you're in a big-boy club then...  LOL

FarkinBastard: I own a few combination vehicles for personal use. My major in college was engineering and am still an active member of Society of Automotive Engineers.

It sounds as if they have quickly put full blame on the truck driver in the news. Funny how train and air tragedies take months to investigate.


blah blah blah....  more bullshiat to deflect from your own stupidity....

FarkinBastard: neotroll: If you are so disciplined in your principles re trucks, you can refuse to use any goods that are transported by them. Put your money where your big mouth is.


You probably don't know this about me, but I -AM- a boycotter, and I haven't been to WalMart in about 5 years, but for reasons other than shipping issues.  Here's the thing though, I don't hate truckers.  I know plenty of decent truckers.  I hate arrogant asshats who want to blame everyone but the source of the problem just because they think that person is on their "team".   You're not a member of some Trucking Tribe, hell, you're not even a trucker, and you're coming off like they are golden and without fault.

Everything you've said so far, with the exception of saying people shouldn't cut trucks off (and you give no farks about trucks cutting cars off, because why would you), is totally farking ridiculous and I'm going to make fun of you for it.
 
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