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2014-06-08 10:07:18 PM
Nice that it folds, they should probably do something about that giant duct taped battery on it though.
 
2014-06-08 11:17:26 PM

Farktastic: Nice that it folds, they should probably do something about that giant duct taped battery on it though.


You just can't be satisfied, can you?  Always wanting for more.

It's a foldable screen, they say.   Yeah, that's nice, but what about the duct taped battery, you reply.  Will nothing please you!?

Shameful!
 
2014-06-09 12:06:24 AM
these SOBs just won't be happy until everything's the size of a peanut, will they?

as it is I can barely read what's on my phone.  they already want us to get watches with screens for digital content.

now we're going to have to FOLD screens.

what next, some sort of electronic wearable computer with an optical head-mounted display that displays information in a smartphone-like hands free display?

where does it end?  penile printers?
 
2014-06-09 12:10:48 AM
I do not understand the obsession with flexible screens. Does anyone besides advertisers actually want this?
 
2014-06-09 12:17:08 AM
This is a terrific solution to an imaginary problem.
 
2014-06-09 12:18:27 AM
The 7 inch Android tablet that I use as a reader has served me quite well for 3 years now.

Anything smaller would just be a waste of time.
 
2014-06-09 12:18:30 AM

pheed: I do not understand the obsession with flexible screens. Does anyone besides advertisers actually want this?


Yes, clam shell phones are the bomb.  Imagine a screen twice as big as anything you can currently fit in your pocket that acts as it's own screen protector.

/Don't have a smart phone because I would almost certainly crack the screen in my pocket
 
2014-06-09 12:38:19 AM

pheed: I do not understand the obsession with flexible screens. Does anyone besides advertisers actually want this?


If you can work the bugs out on the small systems you can scale it up to more interesting things. Imagine displays that could be molded to any surface or be used so that a wall lights up rather than a single point of light. OLEDs are significantly more efficient and thinner than other light-emitting devices, you get a reduction in size and power consumption with increased contrast and lifetime.

/Worked with OLEDs.
 
2014-06-09 12:44:30 AM
Once they get to the point where they can be made quick and cheap, one use could be easily-replaced screens for regular phones when you scratch them up due to plain old human error.  Slide it out, slide a new one in.
 
2014-06-09 12:48:33 AM

SpdrJay: The 7 inch Android tablet that I use as a reader has served me quite well for 3 years now.

Anything smaller would just be a waste of time.


What does that have anything to do with the topic of the article?
 
2014-06-09 01:10:11 AM
Pre-smart phone, I might have wanted something like this (ignoring aforementioned battery)...but we aren't pre-smartphone anymore.

I have a smartphone.  I'm going to be carrying it around no matter what else I'm carrying, and it already works fine as an ebook reader.  Why would I want to carry a second device that does something my phone already does, regardless of how small the second device folds?
 
2014-06-09 01:11:57 AM
I don't know about anyone else, but this guy sure is!!
 
2014-06-09 01:22:54 AM
Meh, I've folded a Kindle. Didn't work that well.
 
2014-06-09 01:44:40 AM
Bring back physical page-turn buttons and I'll consider a new e-reader.
 
2014-06-09 01:56:48 AM

Emposter: Pre-smart phone, I might have wanted something like this (ignoring aforementioned battery)...but we aren't pre-smartphone anymore.

I have a smartphone.  I'm going to be carrying it around no matter what else I'm carrying, and it already works fine as an ebook reader.  Why would I want to carry a second device that does something my phone already does, regardless of how small the second device folds?


What if it were your phone screen that folded?
 
2014-06-09 02:04:18 AM
Remember the phones in Tekwar?  The screens rolled up like a scroll.  That could be useful, putting a 5" screen in a 3" form.
 
2014-06-09 02:06:05 AM
No staples?
 
2014-06-09 02:43:50 AM

InmanRoshi: This is a terrific solution to an imaginary problem.


A screen than flexes is one that will not crack if you accidentally sit on it.

It would also be useful for putting screens on irregular surfaces.  Imagine cars with screens on the doors that show advertising.  I could put one on my truck's tailgate so I could display obscenities to people riding my bumper.
 
2014-06-09 03:09:30 AM

Farnn: Emposter: Pre-smart phone, I might have wanted something like this (ignoring aforementioned battery)...but we aren't pre-smartphone anymore.

I have a smartphone.  I'm going to be carrying it around no matter what else I'm carrying, and it already works fine as an ebook reader.  Why would I want to carry a second device that does something my phone already does, regardless of how small the second device folds?

What if it were your phone screen that folded?


That was one thing I considered before I posted, but the thread was about e-readers specifically.  To work as a phone, the screen would need to not-only be foldable, but also be a touch screen.  If/when they are able to do that, I'm all for phones with the ability to have expandable screens for easy use when surfing or reading, so long as it doesn't make them unwieldy when being used as a phone.

I might also worry about the battery life, since I assume bigger screen = larger power draw, but battery life is getting longer by leaps and bounds these days, so I'd bet that by that time battery life wouldn't be a problem.
 
2014-06-09 03:11:50 AM

Dinjiin: InmanRoshi: This is a terrific solution to an imaginary problem.

A screen than flexes is one that will not crack if you accidentally sit on it.

It would also be useful for putting screens on irregular surfaces.  Imagine cars with screens on the doors that show advertising.  I could put one on my truck's tailgate so I could display obscenities to people riding my bumper.



Now that is something that I would use.
 
2014-06-09 03:15:50 AM
I am ready. I would like that. I would like to have it as a foldable A3 that could be opened up for use with a Wacom pen-like device. I want it for interactive board games. I want it as a map when I'm in a strange city.
 
2014-06-09 04:16:45 AM
So they basically reinvented the flip phone? Ever since Microsoft screwed the pouch on their Courier tablet it seems like no one want's to just make the easy solution to giant phone/tablet screens and portability. Just make it a flip tablet, I would just love it if they took two 7" tablet screens and just stuck them together to work as one, that would give it the same screen size as a 10" tablet but keep it portable, give it some protection, and make ebook reading more intuitive.
 
2014-06-09 06:25:26 AM

Fat Man Of La Mancha: So they basically reinvented the flip phone? Ever since Microsoft screwed the pouch on their Courier tablet it seems like no one want's to just make the easy solution to giant phone/tablet screens and portability. Just make it a flip tablet, I would just love it if they took two 7" tablet screens and just stuck them together to work as one, that would give it the same screen size as a 10" tablet but keep it portable, give it some protection, and make ebook reading more intuitive.


There'd be a seam where it connects though. That's fine for 2 pages at once, but not so good for one page on the whole unit.

That said, my current ebook reader is fine. And I wouldn't fold it if I could.
 
2014-06-09 06:28:59 AM

InmanRoshi: This is a terrific solution to an imaginary problem.


The problem is that R&D figured out how to make folding/curved screens about 6 years ago and the execs never said "that's retarded"

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2014-06-09 06:43:29 AM
Don't even expect me to try an e-reader until I can dog-ear pages on it.
 
2014-06-09 07:20:47 AM

lostcat: Bring back physical page-turn buttons and I'll consider a new e-reader.


Still love my original edition e-ink Nook from 2009.

Still has physical buttons on both sides for page turns.  Still has vast amount of storage via the microSD card I put in there.  Has both 3G and WiFi connectivity.  Easy to sideload and manage plain ePub files through Calibre.

AFAIC, they haven't made a better basic e-reader yet, and many newer readers have subtracted features (ePub support, microSD, physical buttons, etc), which makes me hesitant about replacing it.
 
2014-06-09 07:31:46 AM

Emposter: Pre-smart phone, I might have wanted something like this (ignoring aforementioned battery)...but we aren't pre-smartphone anymore.

I have a smartphone.  I'm going to be carrying it around no matter what else I'm carrying, and it already works fine as an ebook reader.


That may be your experience, but in my opinion it really doesn't.

I hate trying to read books (or any long-form reading) on my smartphone.  Want something at least paperback size.

The absence of backlighting on eInk readers is also a plus to me.  I spend most of the rest of my time staring at screens. I can give my eyes a break when I'm reading a book.
 
2014-06-09 08:01:12 AM

pheed: I do not understand the obsession with flexible screens. Does anyone besides advertisers actually want this?


Yes. I do. I want to be able to re-read all the back issues of Mad Magazine and actually be able to fold the back covers. It's important.
 
2014-06-09 08:05:47 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: Dinjiin: InmanRoshi: This is a terrific solution to an imaginary problem.

A screen than flexes is one that will not crack if you accidentally sit on it.

It would also be useful for putting screens on irregular surfaces.  Imagine cars with screens on the doors that show advertising.  I could put one on my truck's tailgate so I could display obscenities to people riding my bumper.


Now that is something that I would use.


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Go nuts!
 
2014-06-09 10:02:43 AM
I dont care about foldability in a reader.  I just want it easier to transport.  My ereader would fit nicely in my back pocket if it did not have be large bezel around the screen (Nook Simple 1st gen).  That is all I want out of an ereader, just fit into my back pocket and be able to display at least the size of dimestore pulp fiction size.... and front lighting looks like a great feature that I think I would really like to use.

I do see the foldability being the next big thing for phones once they get the screens to be pressure sensing
 
2014-06-09 10:37:35 AM

Doc Daneeka: Still love my original edition e-ink Nook from 2009.

Still has physical buttons on both sides for page turns.  Still has vast amount of storage via the microSD card I put in there.  Has both 3G and WiFi connectivity.  Easy to sideload and manage plain ePub files through Calibre.

AFAIC, they haven't made a better basic e-reader yet, and many newer readers have subtracted features (ePub support, microSD, physical buttons, etc), which makes me hesitant about replacing it.


The Nook Simple Touch is a pretty good upgrade, Doc.  Same sized screen, smaller body, lighter, still has physical buttons on either side to turn pages.  I like the touch screen, though.  It doesn't have the LCD color screen at the bottom, and it doesn't have the 3G connection, which are pretty minor in a world where WiFi is ubiquitous.
 
2014-06-09 11:03:30 AM
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2014-06-09 11:10:27 AM

stevarooni: Doc Daneeka: Still love my original edition e-ink Nook from 2009.

Still has physical buttons on both sides for page turns.  Still has vast amount of storage via the microSD card I put in there.  Has both 3G and WiFi connectivity.  Easy to sideload and manage plain ePub files through Calibre.

AFAIC, they haven't made a better basic e-reader yet, and many newer readers have subtracted features (ePub support, microSD, physical buttons, etc), which makes me hesitant about replacing it.

The Nook Simple Touch is a pretty good upgrade, Doc.  Same sized screen, smaller body, lighter, still has physical buttons on either side to turn pages.  I like the touch screen, though.  It doesn't have the LCD color screen at the bottom, and it doesn't have the 3G connection, which are pretty minor in a world where WiFi is ubiquitous.


Don't really have issues with the weight of the first-gen Nook.  It's already much lighter than a hardcover and probably about the same as a paperback.

I am indifferent to the little LCD screen on the bottom.  That was probably a poor design choice, but it doesn't ruin the reader.

Regardless of how much or little I use the 3G, it's nice having it as a feature.  I just don't like how electronics manufacturers are always pushing people to "upgrade" to newer versions that oftentimes have fewer features and less flexibility than their predecessors (no 3G, no buttons, no microSD) - and what you get instead of useful features are gimmicks (glow lighting) or a bunch of "cloud" features which are really just a way of trying to lock you into their "ecosystem."

I'd prefer my library not be locked into any particular retailer's "ecosystem," which is why I have shied away from Kindles and also why I take every ebook I buy, regardless of source, and strip the DRM in Calibre so I can store it as a plain epub file.
 
2014-06-09 11:21:06 AM

lostcat: Bring back physical page-turn buttons and I'll consider a new e-reader.


And a crappy animation of the page turning as well. Oh and some musty old paper smell device. And paper cuts. And like the ability to fold over a corner on the page, but like by actually folding the corner on the device. That'd be so cool.
 
2014-06-09 11:39:12 AM

Russ1642: lostcat: Bring back physical page-turn buttons and I'll consider a new e-reader.

And a crappy animation of the page turning as well. Oh and some musty old paper smell device. And paper cuts. And like the ability to fold over a corner on the page, but like by actually folding the corner on the device. That'd be so cool.


Snark all you want, but tactile feedback is kind of important for a species that interacts with the world largely (and increasingly) through its fingertips.

Something important is lost as everything moves to touchscreen interfaces.  This isn't an anti-progress attitude, it's a pragmatic one.  Buttons work very well for many things - why do we need to get rid of them?  "Progress" should mean movement to better user interfaces, not inferior ones.
 
2014-06-09 11:41:07 AM
I'm holding out for a e-reader with a color display that can be read in sunlight.
 
2014-06-09 11:43:32 AM

Doc Daneeka: Russ1642: lostcat: Bring back physical page-turn buttons and I'll consider a new e-reader.

And a crappy animation of the page turning as well. Oh and some musty old paper smell device. And paper cuts. And like the ability to fold over a corner on the page, but like by actually folding the corner on the device. That'd be so cool.

Snark all you want, but tactile feedback is kind of important for a species that interacts with the world largely (and increasingly) through its fingertips.

Something important is lost as everything moves to touchscreen interfaces.  This isn't an anti-progress attitude, it's a pragmatic one.  Buttons work very well for many things - why do we need to get rid of them?  "Progress" should mean movement to better user interfaces, not inferior ones.


From the start, the kindle and its ilk have been about saving money for the manufacturers, not producing a top-notch product.
 
2014-06-09 11:48:01 AM
OLED paint is where it's at. (Apologies for the crap audio quality.)
 
2014-06-09 12:35:43 PM
I've never had a cracked screen, but apparently this would reduce that chance greatly. Samsung keeps promising it on the next gen phone, but never quite gets there.
 
2014-06-09 01:12:26 PM
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How about two screens and a hinge?
 
2014-06-09 01:35:26 PM

amindtat: [cdn2.ubergizmo.com image 640x427]

How about two screens and a hinge?


There still isn't a e-reader app for it.  Sure, there's a book collection on a cart, and some interactive kids books in the eShop, but not a standard reader that you can load you own books in.
 
2014-06-09 02:18:36 PM

Nogale: Don't even expect me to try an e-reader until I can dog-ear pages on it.


Pretty sure you can with most of them.  I know my Kindle lets me set arbitrary bookmarks.  Better yet, I can give each one a short description letting me go straight to the bit I want to re-read, something I can't do with a dog-eared physical book.
 
2014-06-09 02:28:42 PM

Russ1642: lostcat: Bring back physical page-turn buttons and I'll consider a new e-reader.

And a crappy animation of the page turning as well. Oh and some musty old paper smell device. And paper cuts. And like the ability to fold over a corner on the page, but like by actually folding the corner on the device. That'd be so cool.


Because real books have buttons you push to turn the page...Right?

My old Kindle Keyboard 3G had buttons placed exactly where I could hold the device in one hand, and exert the slightest pressure to turn the page. Their new, "improved" models require me to touch the screen every time I want to turn the page. Sure, it's hardly a big exertion, but it makes holding the device in one hand that much more awkward, and requires full motion for every page turn, were before only slight pressure was required.
 
2014-06-09 02:58:39 PM
So I can read it, and then fold it in half for storage? You mean, like a book?
 
2014-06-09 03:13:38 PM

bingethinker: So I can read it, and then fold it in half for storage? You mean, like a book?


Well, one that lights itself up in the middle of the night, doesn't have to worry about paper ripping and can change the story inside every time you want it to. But, yeah, words.
 
2014-06-09 04:03:59 PM

Nogale: Don't even expect me to try an e-reader until I can dog-ear pages on it.



Remind me to never loan you a book.
 
2014-06-09 04:29:32 PM
OLED displays have been two or three years from being on the market for the past 12 years...
 
2014-06-09 05:26:08 PM

nickdaisy: these SOBs just won't be happy until everything's the size of a peanut, will they?

as it is I can barely read what's on my phone.  they already want us to get watches with screens for digital content.

now we're going to have to FOLD screens.

what next, some sort of electronic wearable computer with an optical head-mounted display that displays information in a smartphone-like hands free display?

where does it end?  penile printers?


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2014-06-09 07:15:34 PM
They really need to give up on these shiatbox e-readers I see every couple months and admit to themselves that people carry around very high quality visual devices that are easy on the eye, ubiquitous and do more than just display books.

Stop trying to make Zeppelins happen, they're not going to happen.
 
2014-06-09 07:56:09 PM
From the pictures, it's more of a roll than a fold, what you lose in area, you significantly gain in thickness.  No thanks.

However.  If you could roll it up like a scroll and have, say, a 15" (or larger maybe) touchscreen that rolls up into a slim tube(ala a maglight), that could be interesting.  A nice large tablet that "stows" into something more convenient for toting around.
 
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