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2014-06-08 06:18:42 PM  
Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.
 
2014-06-08 07:55:42 PM  

MrDon: Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.


Or why not one more step than that and give me something affordable and accurate so I can do a quick self test after some drinks and know if I'm okay to drive instead of the Russian Roulette game we have now?

Do you think you could drive the proper speed limit without a speedometer? And speeding isn't even a criminal offense.
 
2014-06-08 08:38:56 PM  

Barfmaker: MrDon: Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.

Or why not one more step than that and give me something affordable and accurate so I can do a quick self test after some drinks and know if I'm okay to drive instead of the Russian Roulette game we have now?

Do you think you could drive the proper speed limit without a speedometer? And speeding isn't even a criminal offense.


The difference here is that in russian roulette you're not pointing the gun at my head, or my wife's, or my kids.

I've had one car totaled by some farkwad who was "totally fine to drive" (through a red light). A friend killed by another one. Half a dozen friends hospitalized by some shiat-fer-brains, and a co-worker's kid killed not long ago. My sympathy level for drunks is somewhere between "Penn State Football coach" and "Enron CEO".

If you think you might be close to the limit, you're over it. Stay off the damned road. Read a paper. Clean a gun. Speed-sort  M&M's and RX medications. Anything but turning the key on the car.

If you're going to have to drive, DON'T DRINK. Humanity can function without alcohol. I've never, ever woken up in the morning and realized that I've passed by some huge opportunity because I only had a single glass of wine at a party. I've never hurt anyone's feelings by asking them for a soda. I've never had to call and apologize because I ordered perrier "on an empty stomach".
 
2014-06-08 08:48:30 PM  

MisterTweak: If you think you might be close to the limit, you're over it.


You don't know that.
 
2014-06-08 08:57:35 PM  
I hope drunk drivers have worse nightmares than being pulled over by police.  Personally, I worry about fungus.  The worst nightmare I had was something like Kafka's The Metamorphosis, where I turn into a giant bug, get hit by an apple, and the apple spreads mold or fungus through my body.  It gives me the heebee jeebees just thinking about it.  I spray myself with tolnaftate sometimes, just all over.  Oh, and killing some people, that's another good nightmare for drunk drivers.
 
2014-06-08 09:05:36 PM  

MisterTweak: Barfmaker: MrDon: Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.

Or why not one more step than that and give me something affordable and accurate so I can do a quick self test after some drinks and know if I'm okay to drive instead of the Russian Roulette game we have now?

Do you think you could drive the proper speed limit without a speedometer? And speeding isn't even a criminal offense.

The difference here is that in russian roulette you're not pointing the gun at my head, or my wife's, or my kids.

I've had one car totaled by some farkwad who was "totally fine to drive" (through a red light). A friend killed by another one. Half a dozen friends hospitalized by some shiat-fer-brains, and a co-worker's kid killed not long ago. My sympathy level for drunks is somewhere between "Penn State Football coach" and "Enron CEO".

If you think you might be close to the limit, you're over it. Stay off the damned road. Read a paper. Clean a gun. Speed-sort  M&M's and RX medications. Anything but turning the key on the car.

If you're going to have to drive, DON'T DRINK. Humanity can function without alcohol. I've never, ever woken up in the morning and realized that I've passed by some huge opportunity because I only had a single glass of wine at a party. I've never hurt anyone's feelings by asking them for a soda. I've never had to call and apologize because I ordered perrier "on an empty stomach".


Wow. Do you have a subscription to get all those issues?
 
2014-06-08 09:11:18 PM  

doglover: Wow. Do you have a subscription to get all those issues?


Yeah.  Just because something is purely recreational, and has been ruining countless lives since time immemorial is no reason to get your panties in a bunch.  Just because the only limitation put on drinking is self-restraint, which is the first thing to go when you're drinking, is no reason to call for moderation.  Where does this assclown get off?
 
2014-06-08 09:13:24 PM  
Seems to me, from the article, that it wouldn't even work if the windows were open.
 
2014-06-08 09:15:52 PM  
OK...

1. Don't be a dumbass by drinking and driving
2. You really do have to wonder why there aren't commercially available breathalizers.
3. Isn't anyone concerned about the unreasonable search and seizure issues this raises?
 
2014-06-08 09:22:36 PM  

baka-san: Seems to me, from the article, that it wouldn't even work if the windows were open.


Hey, it's the Military University of Technology in Warsaw, cut them some slack.  At least this time they're not just suggesting putting a thermospray mass spectrometer at every other intersection and having people blow in them.
 
2014-06-08 09:33:37 PM  

staplermofo: doglover: Wow. Do you have a subscription to get all those issues?

Yeah.  Just because something is purely recreational, and has been ruining countless lives since time immemorial is no reason to get your panties in a bunch.  Just because the only limitation put on drinking is self-restraint, which is the first thing to go when you're drinking, is no reason to call for moderation.  Where does this assclown get off?


You laugh, but DUI enforcement, as it stands, isn't about safety. It's about dolla dolla bills y'all.

Your kids aren't safer when people are forced out into the streets at 2AM because the bar's gotta close and there's no midnight trains to take you home. Taxis? Don't make me laugh. Expensive as hell and you need two. One to go home and one to go pick up your car.

No, if you're worried about your family catching a drunk's fender, sell every breathalyzer and road block barrier and use that money to buy light rail. Change the liquor laws so you can just serve people till the dawn's early light, and make parking at bars illegal.

Knights didn't go to battle by asking the constables to confiscate their opponents' weapons. They sheathed their whole bodies in hardened steel then further hid said bodies behind tons of stone and had signs on their helmet saying things like "I'm worth 10,000 gold ducuts alive" And surprise surprise, knights rarely died in battle.
 
2014-06-08 09:33:44 PM  

staplermofo: baka-san: Seems to me, from the article, that it wouldn't even work if the windows were open.

Hey, it's the Military University of Technology in Warsaw, cut them some slack.  At least this time they're not just suggesting putting a thermospray mass spectrometer at every other intersection and having people blow in them.


Or screen doors on submarines.

Or attacking Panzer tank divisions on horseback

/actually that last one is pretty badass when you think about it
 
2014-06-08 09:38:57 PM  

baka-san: Seems to me, from the article, that it wouldn't even work if the windows were open.


Another obvious problem would be someone drunk in the car other than the driver.  I doubt the police are going to want to pull over every designated driver taking a bunch of his friends home.
 
2014-06-08 09:42:13 PM  

doglover: You laugh, but DUI enforcement, as it stands, isn't about safety. It's about dolla dolla bills y'all.


I laughed because someone mentioned how a lot of people he cared about have died because people planned to drink a little and drive, and your response was along of the lines of "what are you so uptight about?"
 
2014-06-08 09:57:56 PM  

staplermofo: doglover: You laugh, but DUI enforcement, as it stands, isn't about safety. It's about dolla dolla bills y'all.

I laughed because someone mentioned how a lot of people he cared about have died because people planned to drink a little and drive, and your response was along of the lines of "what are you so uptight about?"


At least three people I know died in car wrecks with sober people. Two died sober on vehicles other than cars. One was crushed by a sober elephant. Exactly 0 claimed by DUI.

The plural of anecdote is not evidence. DUI is bad. Doesn't mean the current system where cops can cite you for DUI without any objective standards or accountability is good. I don't go around the world to zoos saying keepers should sharpen their elephant hooks to avoid being trampled because, bad as losing a friend is, it doesn't justify systematic abuse.
 
2014-06-08 09:59:50 PM  
Implementation of new technology:  2015 no cars in Poland allowed to drive.
 
2014-06-08 10:12:43 PM  

doglover: I don't go around the world to zoos saying keepers should sharpen their elephant hooks to avoid being trampled because, bad as losing a friend is, it doesn't justify systematic abuse.


He said "If you're going to have to drive, DON'T DRINK."  I don't know who said whatever it is you're arguing against, but it wasn't him.  Unless you quoted MisterTweak by accident and were replying to Barfmaker or MrDon, I don't get it at all.
 
2014-06-08 10:23:54 PM  

MrDon: Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.


I'm just gonna ignore the rest of the comments and say you are proposing that drunk people are not allowed to be in cars. So  we should just let them sleep it off in the parking lot? Taxis? We're gonna pull over every taxi because they're taking a drunk home? Then cabs will stop picking up drunks because they don't want to lose money getting pulled over.
 
2014-06-08 10:25:34 PM  

MisterTweak: Barfmaker: MrDon: Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.

Or why not one more step than that and give me something affordable and accurate so I can do a quick self test after some drinks and know if I'm okay to drive instead of the Russian Roulette game we have now?

Do you think you could drive the proper speed limit without a speedometer? And speeding isn't even a criminal offense.

The difference here is that in russian roulette you're not pointing the gun at my head, or my wife's, or my kids.

I've had one car totaled by some farkwad who was "totally fine to drive" (through a red light). A friend killed by another one. Half a dozen friends hospitalized by some shiat-fer-brains, and a co-worker's kid killed not long ago. My sympathy level for drunks is somewhere between "Penn State Football coach" and "Enron CEO".

If you think you might be close to the limit, you're over it. Stay off the damned road. Read a paper. Clean a gun. Speed-sort  M&M's and RX medications. Anything but turning the key on the car.

If you're going to have to drive, DON'T DRINK. Humanity can function without alcohol. I've never, ever woken up in the morning and realized that I've passed by some huge opportunity because I only had a single glass of wine at a party. I've never hurt anyone's feelings by asking them for a soda. I've never had to call and apologize because I ordered perrier "on an empty stomach".


staplermofo: doglover: I don't go around the world to zoos saying keepers should sharpen their elephant hooks to avoid being trampled because, bad as losing a friend is, it doesn't justify systematic abuse.

He said "If you're going to have to drive, DON'T DRINK."  I don't know who said whatever it is you're arguing against, but it wasn't him.  Unless you quoted MisterTweak by accident and were replying to Barfmaker or MrDon, I don't get it at all.


Can we get an AMEN, this right here. drink all you want piss all over yourself, but do not get in the drivers seat.
 
2014-06-08 10:27:30 PM  

jaylectricity: I'm just gonna ignore the rest of the comments and say you are proposing that drunk people are not allowed to be in cars.


Well, I'm going to ignore the rest of your comment and say you're proposing that everyone who has ever been drunk should be forced to wear hair shirts in public for the next 10 years.
How do you like that?  It's not so nice, is it?  Think about how you feel now the next time you get the urge to ignore me!
 
2014-06-08 10:28:38 PM  
Why spend all that money developing this?  You can use a regular ol' 1,000,000 candle-power spotlight to see if a driver is black or Mexican.
 
2014-06-08 10:29:29 PM  

jaylectricity: MrDon: Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.

I'm just gonna ignore the rest of the comments and say you are proposing that drunk people are not allowed to be in cars. So  we should just let them sleep it off in the parking lot? Taxis? We're gonna pull over every taxi because they're taking a drunk home? Then cabs will stop picking up drunks because they don't want to lose money getting pulled over.


Cops would NEVER do that!
 
2014-06-08 10:29:52 PM  

staplermofo: doglover: Wow. Do you have a subscription to get all those issues?

Yeah.  Just because something is purely recreational, and has been ruining countless lives since time immemorial is no reason to get your panties in a bunch.  Just because the only limitation put on drinking is self-restraint, which is the first thing to go when you're drinking, is no reason to call for moderation.  Where does this assclown get off?


Could always try prohibition again. That worked out well. Still working out well for other recreational drugs. And by well I mean it makes lots of money for organized crime, people in/and working for government, etc and so forth.
 
2014-06-08 10:31:13 PM  

MrDon: Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.


They have those.  It's called an ignition interlock device.  Some states require that you install one after a DUI conviction to deter future DUIs.  http://www.arizonainterlocks.com/

Barfmaker: Or why not one more step than that and give me something affordable and accurate so I can do a quick self test after some drinks and know if I'm okay to drive instead of the Russian Roulette game we have now?


They have those too.   http://www.amazon.com/BACtrack-Keychain-Breathalyzer-Portable-Keyring / dp/B006536ZXC

Ignorant motherfarkers everywhere.
 
2014-06-08 10:32:33 PM  
The entire Eastern European car market would crash(no pun)
 
2014-06-08 10:33:28 PM  
Can it tell if it's right guard or listerine?
 
2014-06-08 10:35:02 PM  

Talondel: MrDon: Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.

They have those.  It's called an ignition interlock device.  Some states require that you install one after a DUI conviction to deter future DUIs.  http://www.arizonainterlocks.com/

Barfmaker: Or why not one more step than that and give me something affordable and accurate so I can do a quick self test after some drinks and know if I'm okay to drive instead of the Russian Roulette game we have now?

They have those too.   http://www.amazon.com/BACtrack-Keychain-Breathalyzer-Portable-Keyring / dp/B006536ZXC

Ignorant motherfarkers everywhere.


Yeah I've owned the $100 one from amazon for years and it really does let me know when I've had too many. And I don't drive. Period.
Once we get the google cars on the road problem solved.
 
2014-06-08 10:36:11 PM  
FTFA: Also, "from the practical point of view, there seem to be some countermeasures, such as driving with windows open... However, such situations are very easily detected by the system, which sends this information to the policeman indicating that the car should be checked."

"Sir, we pulled you over because your windows were open. What are you trying to hide?"

/Cops in the U.S. are going to  love this
 
2014-06-08 10:37:09 PM  

staplermofo: jaylectricity: I'm just gonna ignore the rest of the comments and say you are proposing that drunk people are not allowed to be in cars.

Well, I'm going to ignore the rest of your comment and say you're proposing that everyone who has ever been drunk should be forced to wear hair shirts in public for the next 10 years.
How do you like that?  It's not so nice, is it?  Think about how you feel now the next time you get the urge to ignore me!


I would love if all drunk people wore hair shirts in public. As a drunk I would wear hair shirts just to further your cause!
 
2014-06-08 10:37:49 PM  
I think this would fall under Kyllo v. United States. Not gonna happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States
 
2014-06-08 10:37:50 PM  

baka-san: Seems to me, from the article, that it wouldn't even work if the windows were open.


What if the windows are down?

/or, "This."

TuteTibiImperes: Another obvious problem would be someone drunk in the car other than the driver.


That too, but they've actually given "drunk in public" tickets to passengers. So, yeah, it'll still work.

/for them
 
2014-06-08 10:38:45 PM  
"I pulled you over for driving with your window down, that gives us probable cause to search your vehicle and perform a sobriety test on you."
 
2014-06-08 10:40:53 PM  
Its gonna be the new "I smell pot".
 
2014-06-08 10:41:21 PM  
ryano913:

Yeah I've owned the $100 one from amazon for years and it really does let me know when I've had too many. And I don't drive. Period.
Once we get the google cars on the road problem solved.


What, you think that you'll not get a DUI in a self-driving car? They'll still say that you're 'in control' of the vehicle, same as they do the drunk sleeping it off in the passenger seat with a cold engine. Now that they've taken to seizing your vehicle and selling it in a lot of states, they're never going to give up that revenue stream.
 
2014-06-08 10:43:11 PM  

jaylectricity: MrDon: Why don't they take that technology one more step and install it in the car so a drunk driver could not start the car? Could it be that It would mean less revenue for police departments that rely on income from fines and impounding cars from the public? I'm guessing this type of technology has been around for a while and can be made at a small cost.

I'm just gonna ignore the rest of the comments and say you are proposing that drunk people are not allowed to be in cars. So  we should just let them sleep it off in the parking lot? Taxis? We're gonna pull over every taxi because they're taking a drunk home? Then cabs will stop picking up drunks because they don't want to lose money getting pulled over.


Not only that, you could be sure any politician behind such a bill would have a huge interest in the company that supplies them.

A reasonably inexpensive and accurate breath test might help keep drunks off the road.  I'll sometimes drive after a single beer (and I'm sure someone here will tell me I should lose my license for that) but no more mainly because I have no idea what my actual BAC is or how high I've ever gotten it.  Those charts you can find regarding number of drinks over number of time aren't reliable when you start considering all the factors involved.
 
2014-06-08 10:46:28 PM  

SurfaceTension: 2. You really do have to wonder why there aren't commercially available breathalizers.


WAT.

You can buy a keychain breathalyzer for $20.
 
2014-06-08 10:46:33 PM  

buzzcut73: What, you think that you'll not get a DUI in a self-driving car? They'll still say that you're 'in control' of the vehicle, same as they do the drunk sleeping it off in the passenger seat with a cold engine. Now that they've taken to seizing your vehicle and selling it in a lot of states, they're never going to give up that revenue stream.


In most states - just being in a car that is parked and not started with the car keys is enough to arrest you.  DUI laws has gone beyond attempting to solve a problem and more into maintaining a revenue stream.
 
2014-06-08 10:47:19 PM  
Every lawyer worth a damn tries the "Breathalyzer had't been properly calibrated" defense. Many times they succeed.

I can't even begin to imagine the level of fight police departments would have on their hands proving that this device was calibrated and used properly.
 
2014-06-08 10:47:38 PM  

gfid: A reasonably inexpensive and accurate breath test might help keep drunks off the road.


Z-clipped: You can buy a keychain breathalyzer for $20.


For farks sake.
 
2014-06-08 10:47:38 PM  

Z-clipped: SurfaceTension: 2. You really do have to wonder why there aren't commercially available breathalizers.

WAT.

You can buy a keychain breathalyzer for $20.


Which are all garbage.  I bought one that said I was 4x the legal limit after one beer.
 
2014-06-08 10:48:12 PM  
We should let drunk drivers tell us about their drunk driving experiences. I know it makes us uncomfortable but wouldn't it be better if we learned about their mentality?
 
2014-06-08 10:49:53 PM  

doyner: Z-clipped: SurfaceTension: 2. You really do have to wonder why there aren't commercially available breathalizers.

WAT.

You can buy a keychain breathalyzer for $20.

Which are all garbage.  I bought one that said I was 4x the legal limit after one beer.


I want whatever beer that was.
 
2014-06-08 10:50:19 PM  
These comments are making me want a drink.
 
2014-06-08 10:50:22 PM  
I've never understood the prohibition against letting people sleeping it off, and arresting anyone in or near a car with the keys to it, even if it's off or on but parked... unless it's about the money. But no, you get the same DUI that you would if you ran a red light and totaled another car (but didn't kill anyone).

Hey, all you guys railing against drunk driving, our laws are the ones that drive people who otherwise wouldn't to drive drunk, because the penalties for doing the right thing are the same as the penalties for doing the worst thing.

Aside from that, that sleeping DUI carries the same penalty as negligent vehicular manslaughter. Consider that: Actually killing someone sober because you were texting or fell asleep will get you the same penalties as sleeping a few drinks off in your car so that you don't. Maybe it's time to admit that we're not in the 70's, we don't let drunk drivers off with a $25 fine anymore, the drunk driving issue has been addressed, and it's time to realign both our priorities and our cash cows.
 
2014-06-08 10:50:39 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: baka-san: Seems to me, from the article, that it wouldn't even work if the windows were open.

Another obvious problem would be someone drunk in the car other than the driver.  I doubt the police are going to want to pull over every designated driver taking a bunch of his friends home.


My DD was pulled over for speeding once.  I was completely totally blitzed, just remember the flashing light, her rolling down her window and a voice said, "My god! it smells like a bar in there, have you been drinking?"  That woke me up enough to lean over and wave and say "Hiiiyyeee!."  He said, "Oh.  Thanks for not letting him drive."  No ticket.
/csb
 
2014-06-08 10:51:15 PM  
The guy in the photo bears an uncanny resemblance to prince Obama. Its almost a dead ringer for him if he wasnt of mixed parentage. This whole article is a thinly veiled racist attack.
 
2014-06-08 10:52:04 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: doyner: Z-clipped: SurfaceTension: 2. You really do have to wonder why there aren't commercially available breathalizers.

WAT.

You can buy a keychain breathalyzer for $20.

Which are all garbage.  I bought one that said I was 4x the legal limit after one beer.

I want whatever beer that was.


An Asahi.  Nothing special about it....sadly.
 
2014-06-08 10:53:45 PM  
spend some actual money and get a decent breathalyser.
I have a BACtrack s80 that I paid ~$120 for. I keep it in my glove box.
 
2014-06-08 10:53:49 PM  
Haven't read the thread but the air inside my car is not subject to search without probable cause. Don't think a stop based on that kind of laser could hold up in court.
 
2014-06-08 10:55:06 PM  

mrlewish: I think this would fall under Kyllo v. United States. Not gonna happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States


I wonder if that's pronounced "kilo," as in, "Hey, we found a kilo of pot here in Ecum Secum, Nova Scotia, Canada." (that's 2.2 pounds for you Imperial Americans).
 
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