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2014-06-09 03:00:57 AM  

mikerylander: Mentalpatient87: "That's just my way of saying we are happening, we have happened, and we will continue to happen."

And this is my way of expressing an exasperated sigh about that fact. Like knowing those carnival barkers weaseled their way into having a permit to clog up my favorite hangout. It's happening... oh hell...

And brimed up there summed it up beautifully. You don't seem to give a fark about the actual community. It's just your product. I wouldn't call myself part of any kind of in circle, but you come off as a suit who's trying to "connect with the guys" just long enough to segue into your pitch.

Your hat is on backwards, you can show me your tattoos, you are in the video business, you are calling me "dude."

Yes, I wasn't part of the Fark community before I got this gig, but I've also never shied away from that fact. I was just your typical actor/host/writer/comedy guy in LA doing various gigs and auditioning for stuff all the time. Which, by the way, I'm still doing.

But luckily, 2014 was a good year for me. Shot a Mark Wahlberg movie, shot some commercials, blah, blah blah. And then, I got this gig.

What would you do? Be super superficial and pretend you were there all along? Do the "backwards hat, 'hey guys, I'm one of you!' bullshiat you're talking about? No way. I have no pitch. I'm not the man. I'm just a guy making a show.  I'm not posting this comment on "company time" or "on the clock." I'm not some sort of paid social media manager or some bullshiat.

I'm not on salary and this interaction isn't some paid social media stunt bullshiat. I'm having this conversation on my own time because I'm generally trying to connect to the community, and, as I always do on the internet, and in life, I'm over sharing about myself so that Farkers are like, "oh, he's a just a dude like me, trying his best."

If you view me as suit guy with a backwards hat, then I guess I can't do much about that.

But that's definitely not me...


Fine. Then do it.

You've got a handful of people here spending their time telling you how to make the show better and you know what? None of us are "on the clock" either. In fact, we aren't getting paid at all. Stop acting like you're doing us the favor here.

Are you listening to yourself? Lemme summarize your latest post for you, by paragraph:

1. I'm not a Farker and this is just another gig to me. BTW I'm doing other gigs.

2. Did I mention my other gigs? Cause I've had some. Them I got this one.

3. I'm not faking being a Farker! But I am engaging with you guys... for free. No one is paying me to talk to you guys.

4. I'm doing this for free! Like me dammit!

5. You don't want to like me. Whatever. Doesn't hurt.

I'm fairly sure that's not what you meant, but it *is* what you said. And you aren't listening to what we've said. Want to be accepted by Fark? Step one: don't get defensive and butthurt.

I don't care that you're doing this off the clock. Do you know how much stuff I do "off the clock" so that my paid gig succeeds? So that I'm more valuable to my employer? So I'm more marketable? You really expect me to be impressed that you're here? Seriously? It's your frickin' gig, man. I should hope you'd be here trying to make it more successful, and I'd think you'd be appreciative of *our* being here offering suggestions seeing as how we aren't getting paid for it. Stop expecting me to fawn all over you for gracing us with your presence.
 
2014-06-09 03:04:26 AM  

brimed03: I have to tell ya, that's not it for some of us. Not for me, anyway.

I never saw FarkTV. I've never *heard* of SuperDeluxe. So I came into this with very little bias.

Simply put, the little I was able to watch of WTFark was... well, ok: it wasn't just that it was bad. The first season of many new things are bad, so that's ok.

What did I hate so much? What turned me off to it? Farker LesserEvil may have hit on it when he mentioned Talk Soup and Tosh.0. I would also throw in the "Illustrated FMLs." I would also point out Mikerylander's comment from earlier ITT: "our show is a mass audience forward video personification of the community." What the what?

The episode I tried to watch immediately felt like a corporatized low-budget knockoff of things already being done to death. It was like drinking Mr. Pibb-- with apologies to the Mr. Pibb fans out there... both of you. It didn't connect to the Fark community. It sure didn't "personify" the Fark community. It pseudo-Farkerized the other shows (cable and online) mentioned. And, I'm sorry mike, but I just didn't find you funny. Or personable. You might very well be, in person, but it didn't come across on camera. I immediately didn't like the show because it was generic. It was formulaic, rehashed, and just felt like it was there to cash in on what's already being done elsewhere.

And yeah, taking away the ability to comment just distanced WTFark from the community even more. Ever see Eastwood's "Gran Torino," where he teaches the kid how to give the guys a hard time as a way of earning acceptance? And that you have to be able to take ribbing from the guys if you want to be respected? It's like Farker thehobbes said above: at least once a thread someone posts a welcometofark.jpg. By disallowing comments, you immediately lost Fark's respect.

And even worse, the handful of times I've ever seen you post to Fark, Mike, it's been in WTFark threads and it's always been defensive. Fark does not respect butthurt, Mike. Telling Farker Cpl.D above that you weren't aware that he spoke for everyone on the Internet? Butthurt. Your huffy reply to my earlier post ITT about how you're "syndicated by the Huffington Post and AOL?" Butthurt.

Which brings me to the second thing. You would know all this if you spent any real time in the comment threads. You want to claim to be a "video personification of the community?" Then stop the industry-speak (like that phrase) and actually join the community. You can just lurk, that's fine. But if you spent any real time in the threads, I wouldn't need to be telling you the stuff I'm saying here. The Fark community is not subtle. You'd pick up on it all really fast.

And before you say that you spend lots of time on Fark... I'm not talking about skimming the posts and comments for show material. You aren't learning about the community that way. Put the show aside and really spend a few hours a week just... Farking.


Lotta valid points here... yes, I regret earlier postings. Deeply. Lost sleep over some. Truth bombs. (explode)

But please, just imagine if you were thrust into this situation, as i was, and verbally crucified every time anything you did ever was mentioned, or even close to mentioned. It's weird to deal with. Still is.

But instead of just brushing it off as "internet trolling," as most entertainers do, (and most do), I'm choosing to reach out to it. To deal with it. To try to learn from it and become better. To be vulnerable. Tomake mistakes.

I'm not doing this because I was asked to by some evil suit. Or by Drew. Or by anyone. Doing it cause I want to. Because I want to figure out what I can do to get the support of avid Farkers.

And yes, I do need to put in "more time" as just a Farker. Someone who is just Farking and not skimming for material or defending attacks against my character, work andoverall existence as a human being. I'm working on that all time.

And lastly, if you didn't find me funny or personable, no problem. I can deal with that. I'm not going to be for everyone. But I've been doing this type of stuff for a living for a decade, so as much as it stings when people don't like your work, (yes, it still stings. never stops. even my famous friends have told me that), you know that there are still other people who do like it. Sorry I didn't work for you. At least I work for others.
 
2014-06-09 03:07:07 AM  

DuudeStanky: mikerylander:

What would you do? Be super superficial and pretend you were there all along? Do the "backwards hat, 'hey guys, I'm one of you!' bullshiat you're talking about? No way. I have no pitch. I'm not the man. I'm just a guy making a show.  I'm not posting this comment on "company time" or "on the clock." I'm not some sort of paid social media manager or some bullshiat.

I'm not on salary and this interaction isn't some paid social media stunt bullshiat. I'm having this conversation on my own time because I'm generally trying to connect to the community, and, as I always do on the internet, and in life, I'm over sharing about myself so that Farkers are like, "oh, he's a just a dude like me, trying his best."

If you view me as suit guy with a backwards hat, then I guess I can't do much about that.

But that's definitely not me...


Damn near everyone on this site is an alt, so learn from them to gain their acceptance. Play a role, take on a persona.. something. Just knock it off with the breaking the fourth wall stuff by saying "I'm an outsider! I have a real-life job and I get paid to make these videos."

What is your role going to be in this community?

Who are you going to be in this picture?


If he's going to be a hot young female with big knockers then I'm going to have to start revising my opinions.

And watching WTFark.
 
2014-06-09 03:13:54 AM  
brimed03: Fine. Then do it.

You've got a handful of people here spending their time telling you how to make the show better and you know what? None of us are "on the clock" either. In fact, we aren't getting paid at all. Stop acting like you're doing us the favor here.

Are you listening to yourself? Lemme summarize your latest post for you, by paragraph:

1. I'm not a Farker and this is just another gig to me. BTW I'm doing other gigs.

2. Did I mention my other gigs? Cause I've had some. Them I got this one.

3. I'm not faking being a Farker! But I am engaging with you guys... for free. No one is paying me to talk to you guys.

4. I'm doing this for free! Like me dammit!

5. You don't want to like me. Whatever. Doesn't hurt.

I'm fairly sure that's not what you meant, but it *is* what you said. And you aren't listening to what we've said. Want to be accepted by Fark? Step one: don't get defensive and butthurt.

I don't care that you're doing this off the clock. Do you know how much stuff I do "off the clock" so that my paid gig succeeds? So that I'm more valuable to my employer? So I'm more marketable? You really expect me to be impressed that you're here? Seriously? It's your frickin' gig, man. I should hope you'd be here trying to make it more successful, and I'd think you'd be appreciative of *our* being here offering suggestions seeing as how we aren't getting paid for it. Stop expecting me to fawn all over you for gracing us with your presence.


(*facepalm*)

Thanks. Glad I opened myself up here.

You said it yourself- you don't find me funny, and/or personable.

Tried to connect, human-to-human, and you were mean back.

Honestly, I don't need to lose sleep over this.

Life is too short to spend it being mean to people on Internet comment boards.

I wish you the best and hope that outside of this comment thread you are a happy person.

Cause honestly, your comments alone have made me wish I never engaged tonight.

Thanks for bringing hostility and negativity into my life.

Remember, as I've said repeatedly, I'm just a human being.

Just like you.

Peace.
 
2014-06-09 03:17:09 AM  
You are seriously not getting it. You think you are, but you're not. You're just digging deeper with each sarcastic dismissal and unsubtle boast. Now you're telling us how long you've been in the business and how you have famous friends, all the while still trying the "I'm so humble and trying SO hard" shtick out of the other side of your mouth. You just can't stop, it seems.
 
2014-06-09 03:19:01 AM  

mikerylander: brimed03: I have to tell ya, that's not it for some of us. Not for me, anyway.

I never saw FarkTV. I've never *heard* of SuperDeluxe. So I came into this with very little bias.

Simply put, the little I was able to watch of WTFark was... well, ok: it wasn't just that it was bad. The first season of many new things are bad, so that's ok.

What did I hate so much? What turned me off to it? Farker LesserEvil may have hit on it when he mentioned Talk Soup and Tosh.0. I would also throw in the "Illustrated FMLs." I would also point out Mikerylander's comment from earlier ITT: "our show is a mass audience forward video personification of the community." What the what?

The episode I tried to watch immediately felt like a corporatized low-budget knockoff of things already being done to death. It was like drinking Mr. Pibb-- with apologies to the Mr. Pibb fans out there... both of you. It didn't connect to the Fark community. It sure didn't "personify" the Fark community. It pseudo-Farkerized the other shows (cable and online) mentioned. And, I'm sorry mike, but I just didn't find you funny. Or personable. You might very well be, in person, but it didn't come across on camera. I immediately didn't like the show because it was generic. It was formulaic, rehashed, and just felt like it was there to cash in on what's already being done elsewhere.

And yeah, taking away the ability to comment just distanced WTFark from the community even more. Ever see Eastwood's "Gran Torino," where he teaches the kid how to give the guys a hard time as a way of earning acceptance? And that you have to be able to take ribbing from the guys if you want to be respected? It's like Farker thehobbes said above: at least once a thread someone posts a welcometofark.jpg. By disallowing comments, you immediately lost Fark's respect.

And even worse, the handful of times I've ever seen you post to Fark, Mike, it's been in WTFark threads and it's always been defensive. Fark does not respect butthurt, Mike. Telling Farker Cpl.D above that you weren't aware that he spoke for everyone on the Internet? Butthurt. Your huffy reply to my earlier post ITT about how you're "syndicated by the Huffington Post and AOL?" Butthurt.

Which brings me to the second thing. You would know all this if you spent any real time in the comment threads. You want to claim to be a "video personification of the community?" Then stop the industry-speak (like that phrase) and actually join the community. You can just lurk, that's fine. But if you spent any real time in the threads, I wouldn't need to be telling you the stuff I'm saying here. The Fark community is not subtle. You'd pick up on it all really fast.

And before you say that you spend lots of time on Fark... I'm not talking about skimming the posts and comments for show material. You aren't learning about the community that way. Put the show aside and really spend a few hours a week just... Farking.

Lotta valid points here... yes, I regret earlier postings. Deeply. Lost sleep over some. Truth bombs. (explode)

But please, just imagine if you were thrust into this situation, as i was, and verbally crucified every time anything you did ever was mentioned, or even close to mentioned. It's weird to deal with. Still is.

But instead of just brushing it off as "internet trolling," as most entertainers do, (and most do), I'm choosing to reach out to it. To deal with it. To try to learn from it and become better. To be vulnerable. Tomake mistakes.

I'm not doing this because I was asked to by some evil suit. Or by Drew. Or by anyone. Doing it cause I want to. Because I want to figure out what I can do to get the support of avid Farkers.

And yes, I do need to put in "more time" as just a Farker. Someone who is just Farking and not skimming for material or defending attacks against my character, work andoverall existence as a human being. I'm working on that all time.

And lastly, if you didn't find me funny or personable, no problem. I can deal with that. I'm not going to be for everyone. But I've been doing this type of stuff for a living for a decade, so as much as it stings when people don't like your work, (yes, it still stings. never stops. even my famous friends have told me that), you know that there are still other people who do like it. Sorry I didn't work for you. At least I work for others.


We're telling you again, you can't get butthurt on Fark. And you can't expect a lot of sympathy either, not least because we all learned it the hard way; nobody "explained" Fark to us like we're doing for you. People come to Fark as newbies, get slammed around some, and they adjust or they leave. Frankly, most of us lurked for a long time first, so we knew what we were getting into when we began to comment... but it still stings when someone flames you, and Fark does not tolerate whining "ouchie" replies.

You want to succeed with the Fark community? Create an alt account and lurk awhile. Comment a bit. Get to understand it as someone other than Mikerylander. Incorporate what you learn into the show and your Mikerylander account posts.

Or get a new gig. I hear Marky Mark isn't doing underwear ads in Times Square anymore; maybe since you worked with him earlier this year you can get that gig.
 
2014-06-09 03:19:19 AM  
"Life is too short to spend it being mean to people on Internet comment boards."

And they hired you to work for Fark dot freaking com?
 
2014-06-09 03:20:28 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: I don't even know Mike Rylander yet somehow I hate him. After the last WTFark thread I commented in I felt a little bad for some of the things I said and resolved to watch this and give it another try. I don't feel sorry anymore; fire him, take any computers that you have footage already shot on and burn them. Then maybe the healing can start.


Thanks!
If you have children, give them my love!
If you don't, you can have all my love yourself!
I LOVE YOU.
IN A CREEPY WAY.
 
2014-06-09 03:26:45 AM  

mikerylander: brimed03: Fine. Then do it.

You've got a handful of people here spending their time telling you how to make the show better and you know what? None of us are "on the clock" either. In fact, we aren't getting paid at all. Stop acting like you're doing us the favor here.

Are you listening to yourself? Lemme summarize your latest post for you, by paragraph:

1. I'm not a Farker and this is just another gig to me. BTW I'm doing other gigs.

2. Did I mention my other gigs? Cause I've had some. Them I got this one.

3. I'm not faking being a Farker! But I am engaging with you guys... for free. No one is paying me to talk to you guys.

4. I'm doing this for free! Like me dammit!

5. You don't want to like me. Whatever. Doesn't hurt.

I'm fairly sure that's not what you meant, but it *is* what you said. And you aren't listening to what we've said. Want to be accepted by Fark? Step one: don't get defensive and butthurt.

I don't care that you're doing this off the clock. Do you know how much stuff I do "off the clock" so that my paid gig succeeds? So that I'm more valuable to my employer? So I'm more marketable? You really expect me to be impressed that you're here? Seriously? It's your frickin' gig, man. I should hope you'd be here trying to make it more successful, and I'd think you'd be appreciative of *our* being here offering suggestions seeing as how we aren't getting paid for it. Stop expecting me to fawn all over you for gracing us with your presence.

(*facepalm*)

Thanks. Glad I opened myself up here.

You said it yourself- you don't find me funny, and/or personable.

Tried to connect, human-to-human, and you were mean back.

Honestly, I don't need to lose sleep over this.

Life is too short to spend it being mean to people on Internet comment boards.

I wish you the best and hope that outside of this comment thread you are a happy person.

Cause honestly, your comments alone have made me wish I never engaged tonight.

Thanks for bringing hostility and negativity into my life.

Remember, as I've said repeatedly, I'm just a human being.

Just like you.

Peace.


Last try:

This isn't Pinterest. Think 4chan, only older and possibly more intoxicated.

You can "open up" on Pinterest. Not here, or at least not like that. That isn't to say Farkers are uncaring. Far from it; when shiat hits the fan you'll see amazing things happen here. But if you're expecting everyone to melt and go all gooey like it's a 3am confession in the freshman dorm, you've misread your audience.

Well, you've already shut your ears and left, so I'm not going to say more on the chance that you might read the last few comments later on.

Good luck-- at your next gig.
 
2014-06-09 03:30:38 AM  

Mentalpatient87: You are seriously not getting it. You think you are, but you're not. You're just digging deeper with each sarcastic dismissal and unsubtle boast. Now you're telling us how long you've been in the business and how you have famous friends, all the while still trying the "I'm so humble and trying SO hard" shtick out of the other side of your mouth. You just can't stop, it seems.


Thanks MentalPatient187, means a lot, espescially coming from you.
What, with your anonymous username everything...
Honestly, I do get it.
Which is why I've been away for so long.
Thought I'd see if things have changed.
Nope.
Same old vitriol and hate.
No worries.
I can hack it.
At the end of the day, I'm okay with who I am.
Thankfully.
Online abuse causes some to harm themselves in ways that would make the abusers not be able to sleep at night...
 
2014-06-09 03:31:48 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Sure wish they'd spend more time and money making mobile Fark more functional with quotes and stuff instead of hiring more advertisers...


Holy crap yes. I hate that I can't cut down the amount of quoted text on mobile. Often I just want to comment on one part of someone's five-part post.
 
2014-06-09 03:36:13 AM  
Jesus, are you really going into crybaby asshole mode now? Because it sure looks like it, but we all know you see things a bit differently from up there on your farking high horse.

And this site is full of anonymous usernames. Way to further alienate your audience, prick.
 
2014-06-09 03:36:59 AM  

mikerylander: Mentalpatient87: You are seriously not getting it. You think you are, but you're not. You're just digging deeper with each sarcastic dismissal and unsubtle boast. Now you're telling us how long you've been in the business and how you have famous friends, all the while still trying the "I'm so humble and trying SO hard" shtick out of the other side of your mouth. You just can't stop, it seems.

Thanks MentalPatient187, means a lot, espescially coming from you.
What, with your anonymous username everything...
Honestly, I do get it.
Which is why I've been away for so long.
Thought I'd see if things have changed.
Nope.
Same old vitriol and hate.
No worries.
I can hack it.
At the end of the day, I'm okay with who I am.
Thankfully.
Online abuse causes some to harm themselves in ways that would make the abusers not be able to sleep at night...


MIKE: GET IT ALREADY. This. Is not. Abuse. It's unvarnished, it's rough-cut, it's unsugared opinion. All that is true!

But if you'll spend five minutes *not* expecting people to do group hugs, or tell you that you've got a beautiful aura, or whatever the hell it is you're seeking... you just might find some help in making WTFark a success with the home team.

You really think any of us wants to see Fark lose? Are you kidding?
 
2014-06-09 03:37:14 AM  

brimed03: Last try:

This isn't Pinterest. Think 4chan, only older and possibly more intoxicated.

You can "open up" on Pinterest. Not here, or at least not like that. That isn't to say Farkers are uncaring. Far from it; when shiat hits the fan you'll see amazing things happen here. But if you're expecting everyone to melt and go all gooey like it's a 3am confession in the freshman dorm, you've misread your audience.

Well, you've already shut your ears and left, so I'm not going to say more on the chance that you might read the last few comments later on.

Good luck-- at your next gig.


Thanks for your hospitality!
The thing is... i'd gladly let my 15mo daughter read what I've written tonight, as I feel I've been a decent human being throughout.

Would you let yours?

Something to think about it. This "life" shiat is bigger than Fark.com.

I'll take your insincere wishes of good luck and apply them to the current job I have, and plan on having for a while. Good night, and GREAT chat. Glad it happened!
 
2014-06-09 03:37:22 AM  
Oh wait, that's right. We're not your audience. We're just the source material for the product you're peddling.
 
2014-06-09 03:39:21 AM  

brimed03: you just might find some help in making WTFark a success with the home team.


Really? I'd love to read one thing you said tonight that strives to achieve that... Have a great night!
 
2014-06-09 03:45:40 AM  

mikerylander: brimed03: you just might find some help in making WTFark a success with the home team.

Really? I'd love to read one thing you said tonight that strives to achieve that... Have a great night!


And I'd love for you to read it, because it's there! But you're too busy looking for the love-fest.
 
2014-06-09 03:48:55 AM  

mikerylander: brimed03: you just might find some help in making WTFark a success with the home team.

Really? I'd love to read one thing you said tonight that strives to achieve that... Have a great night!


You were told many times to stop acting like a suit, grow some thicker skin, and actually make an attempt to give a shiat about the community. Nobody to blame but yourself if you still haven't gotten that. Again, prick.

Great staff around here lately, Drew. Really makes the site feel like home with increasingly annoying ads and stupid stunt shows put on by some farking shill with no attachment.
 
2014-06-09 03:51:53 AM  

mikerylander: brimed03: Last try:

This isn't Pinterest. Think 4chan, only older and possibly more intoxicated.

You can "open up" on Pinterest. Not here, or at least not like that. That isn't to say Farkers are uncaring. Far from it; when shiat hits the fan you'll see amazing things happen here. But if you're expecting everyone to melt and go all gooey like it's a 3am confession in the freshman dorm, you've misread your audience.

Well, you've already shut your ears and left, so I'm not going to say more on the chance that you might read the last few comments later on.

Good luck-- at your next gig.

Thanks for your hospitality!
The thing is... i'd gladly let my 15mo daughter read what I've written tonight, as I feel I've been a decent human being throughout.

Would you let yours?

Something to think about it. This "life" shiat is bigger than Fark.com.

I'll take your insincere wishes of good luck and apply them to the current job I have, and plan on having for a while. Good night, and GREAT chat. Glad it happened!


Really? So now you're holding up your 15-month-old child as a shield against criticism? You expect me to feel bad because because you have a toddler?

Hey man, I think it's great you have a kid. I think you might even be a good and loving dad, and that's great 'cause the world needs that. But if you really think that has *anything* to do with this thread... wow, I just don't know what to tell ya.

Stop trying to dish out Deep Thoughts in a comment thread about WTFark. It's bad enough that you're channeling Stuart Smalley, without throwing Jack Handey in on top of it.
 
2014-06-09 03:57:27 AM  

Mentalpatient87: You were told many times to stop acting like a suit, grow some thicker skin, and actually make an attempt to give a shiat about the community. Nobody to blame but yourself if you still haven't gotten that. Again, prick.


Thanks!
Just re-read the entire thread.
I'm okay with who I am.
And I know I'm not a prick.
Sorry for (whatever I did). I'll try to not do it again...
 
2014-06-09 04:02:55 AM  

Mentalpatient87: mikerylander: brimed03: you just might find some help in making WTFark a success with the home team.

Really? I'd love to read one thing you said tonight that strives to achieve that... Have a great night!

You were told many times to stop acting like a suit, grow some thicker skin, and actually make an attempt to give a shiat about the community. Nobody to blame but yourself if you still haven't gotten that. Again, prick.

Great staff around here lately, Drew. Really makes the site feel like home with increasingly annoying ads and stupid stunt shows put on by some farking shill with no attachment.


This. Drew, if you're reading, here's your problem with WTFark. I know the site needs revenue and I'm fine with that, but make sure the brand isn't getting diluted. WTFark needs someone who understands and reflects the community. I think that, in a Fark way, we've been trying to explain that to the guy you've got, but he just doesn't get it. So you're winding up with two different products. Which would be fine if they were unrelated, but they share the Fark name so they need to share the brand identity.

No one much seems to care for this guy (even the positive comments ITT are faint praise) but I hope you'll be able to sit down with him and help him see what we've been trying to explain all night. I have no personal beef with the guy and hope WTFark cam succeed with him. But as of now, he's the main flaw, and at the heart of that is his refusal to "get" the essential character of Fark.
 
2014-06-09 04:05:39 AM  
"And I know I'm not a prick."

Again, then stop acting like one. You still sound like you have made no progress toward understanding, and at this point you sound entirely unwilling. Because you have your paycheck. That's all that really matters.
 
2014-06-09 04:06:26 AM  

brimed03: Really? So now you're holding up your 15-month-old child as a shield against criticism? You expect me to feel bad because because you have a toddler?


No, I'm actually making a bigger point about the Internet as a whole.
This shiat is new. No generation before us had an online legacy that they are leaving behind.
Something to think about...
Someday, long after we are gone, how we were online will define who we were as people.
I've thought about that a lot, but more so since becoming a dad.

My 15mo isn't a shield, she's my daughter.
And having her in my life has shaped and molded they way I think about how I conduct myself online.
I thought that pointing that out to you might make you think about yourself.

Inward reflection type bullshiat.

Look- I'm not here to make enemies. Exact opposite, in fact.
When I re-read this thread, it was obvious from your Boobies you weren't a fan of mine.
Nothing we can say to each other in an Internet comment thread is going to change that.

You don't like me. I don't know who you are.
And honestly, I don't think we're ever going to get beyond that.

It's cool. It's your right not to like me.
I was merely posing bigger questions, hoping you'd reflect upon our conversation and things that were said.

But like you said, this ain't no Jack Handy / Stuart Smally bullshiat site.
So my bad.

As you were...
 
2014-06-09 04:12:12 AM  

Mentalpatient87: "And I know I'm not a prick."

Again, then stop acting like one. You still sound like you have made no progress toward understanding, and at this point you sound entirely unwilling. Because you have your paycheck. That's all that really matters.


If that is truly what you think, then so be it... I beg to differ, but we all have the right to have our own opinions.
At the end of the day, you had your opinion about WTFark and me and anything I said in this comment thread wasn't going to change that.
My only hope is that people who read through this thread see I wasn't being a prick.
And I honestly don't think I was.
If it came off that way, I apologize.

It's cool. You don't have to like WTFark.
Not everything is for everyone.
But we can still be civil humans toward each other.
 
2014-06-09 04:15:14 AM  

mikerylander: Mentalpatient87: You were told many times to stop acting like a suit, grow some thicker skin, and actually make an attempt to give a shiat about the community. Nobody to blame but yourself if you still haven't gotten that. Again, prick.

Thanks!
Just re-read the entire thread.
I'm okay with who I am.
And I know I'm not a prick.
Sorry for (whatever I did). I'll try to not do it again...


Stop - making - this - about - you. Holy shiat.

Lemme put it another way for you: none of us knows you well enough to dislike you. Which also means "not well enough to like you" either, but that's the only part you're focusing on, like this is really a personal thing. It's not. It can't be. We don't know you well enough to like *or* hate you.

You came in here wondering why the Fark community doesn't accept WTFark. You were given honest and constructive criticism. You chose to interpret it all personally. See point one, about how it can't be since we don't know you well enough.

Stop coming here looking for warm caresses and butterfly kisses. That completely misses the Fark character. Fark is a rough and tumble, snarky place whose denizens genuinely care about one another and show that by regularly pushing each other off a cliff because we think fart jokes are funny.

If you can't understand that, then you aren't right for WTFark. Move on and let someone else try to make a success of it.

Of course, assuming you stay true to form, your response will be something like "oh, so you want me to quit, well I could mind you, but I'm not going to because we're such a success right now, but just so you know I totally could and stop hurting my feelings!"

It's - not - about - you.
 
2014-06-09 04:19:21 AM  
I didn't think you were being a prick until the fourth or fifth time you lorded you status as a shill over us and then attacked me for my "anonymous username" in an unsubtle way of trying to shame me. And it doesn't help that you're still trying to play the poor victim.

You should really try that "blend in with the community" idea. But you need a different username for it. I suggest "Poochie died on the way to his home planet" if it's available.
 
2014-06-09 04:20:17 AM  

mikerylander: brimed03: Really? So now you're holding up your 15-month-old child as a shield against criticism? You expect me to feel bad because because you have a toddler?

No, I'm actually making a bigger point about the Internet as a whole.
This shiat is new. No generation before us had an online legacy that they are leaving behind.
Something to think about...
Someday, long after we are gone, how we were online will define who we were as people.
I've thought about that a lot, but more so since becoming a dad.

My 15mo isn't a shield, she's my daughter.
And having her in my life has shaped and molded they way I think about how I conduct myself online.
I thought that pointing that out to you might make you think about yourself.

Inward reflection type bullshiat.

Look- I'm not here to make enemies. Exact opposite, in fact.
When I re-read this thread, it was obvious from your Boobies you weren't a fan of mine.
Nothing we can say to each other in an Internet comment thread is going to change that.

You don't like me. I don't know who you are.
And honestly, I don't think we're ever going to get beyond that.

It's cool. It's your right not to like me.
I was merely posing bigger questions, hoping you'd reflect upon our conversation and things that were said.

But like you said, this ain't no Jack Handy / Stuart Smally bullshiat site.
So my bad.

As you were...


Oh good lord. You're not really giving the whole "golly, the Internet can be such a dehumanizing place" speech are you? That's so 1998. And it's trite as hell. Not to mention patronizing, and since I'm older than you that really doesn't work.

Stop asking for advice you don't really want. That's what this boils down to.
 
2014-06-09 04:21:38 AM  

Mentalpatient87: I didn't think you were being a prick until the fourth or fifth time you lorded you status as a shill over us and then attacked me for my "anonymous username" in an unsubtle way of trying to shame me. And it doesn't help that you're still trying to play the poor victim.

You should really try that "blend in with the community" idea. But you need a different username for it. I suggest "Poochie died on the way to his home planet" if it's available.


I feel like "InstantMartyr" would be a better handle for him.
 
2014-06-09 04:27:13 AM  
Anyway, he's stomped his foot and announced his intention to leave this thread a half-dozen times now, and evidently that's turned out to be as difficult for him as hearing the advice he asked for... so I guess we'll have to do that for him as well. Have a good night Mentalpatient87, I'm out.
 
2014-06-09 04:33:56 AM  
I honestly have no idea how we got here...
i.chzbgr.com
...but it was not my intent.
 
2014-06-09 05:22:09 AM  
brimed03: You really think any of us wants to see Fark lose? Are you kidding?

brimed03: let's face it, it was doa anyhow

brimed03: none of us knows you well enough to dislike you.

brimed03: I just didn't find you funny. Or personable.

brimed03: the host was so banal, his patter so cookie-cutter and boring, the attempts at humor so forced... sometimes you can just tell right away. You just know this thing is stillborn and you can't watch any more.

brimed03: I have no personal beef with the guy and hope WTFark cam succeed with him.

brimed03: if he's going to be a hot young female with big knockers then I'm going to have to start revising my opinions. And watching WTFark.

brimed03: Good luck-- at your next gig.

ct.fra.bz

Of the 3600+ clicks this post got, you and like 3 other dudes ruined my night.

Thanks again.
 
2014-06-09 07:50:45 AM  

mikerylander: I honestly have no part of the distribution model. I just go to to work everyday, find a Farked up story, and do a destruction of its local news video coverage.

Oh, and lots and lots of meth. The WTFark office is a big meth den. Duh. Obvi.


Behind the scenes at the WTFark office:
stmedia.startribune.com

Oh, you said meth. Sorry.

As for your poll -- I like hearing funny comments by other Farkers highlighted. And I have no clue what should be included in the video tomorrow. Since my sense of humor runs to either either end of the "bafflingly obscure/horribly obvious" spectrum, seasoned with bad puns and mangled song lyrics, that is for the best.
 
2014-06-09 08:57:43 AM  

mikerylander: But luckily, 2014 was a good year for me. Shot a Mark Wahlberg movie, shot some commercials, blah, blah blah. And then, I got this gig.


Was it Transformers? It was transformers wasn't it?
 
2014-06-09 09:23:56 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: So how did subby get primer commentario in the headline without getting filter pwned?


You mean Boobies? Easy peasy!
 
2014-06-09 09:25:36 AM  
Reading back on the thread, if anyone else but the WTFark guy with his real name had posted that much defensive, easy to pick apart material, I'd assume he was baiting us... like a master.So did we all get hooked or does he not get the anonymity of message boards for entertainment and free flow of ideas?
 
2014-06-09 09:30:27 AM  
WTF:Now with more Sisyphus!

The piss-poor attempts to monetize Fark shall continue until morale improves™
 
2014-06-09 09:32:13 AM  

brimed03: Mentalpatient87: Sure wish they'd spend more time and money making mobile Fark more functional with quotes and stuff instead of hiring more advertisers...

Holy crap yes. I hate that I can't cut down the amount of quoted text on mobile. Often I just want to comment on one part of someone's five-part post.


Oh. I keep forgetting that exists.  Tried it once.  But I don't like forums of any sort through mobile. None of them work the way they do on a pc. I'm just spoiled.
 
2014-06-09 09:38:33 AM  
So, basic boil down.

"How dare you operate with maybe, if lucky, 4 times the budget per episode of college student Frankie who posts about chicken"

"Write better. I don't care if you're the only writer.  Fire yourself and find someone else.  How, if you're fired? figure it out."

"People have opinions about how I do things with WTFark, why can't they be coherent."
 
2014-06-09 10:33:19 AM  
Basic boil down on my end...
assets.diylol.com
And...
cdn.instapop.com
 
2014-06-09 12:41:01 PM  

Cpl.D: I haven't really watched your videos, mikerylander.  So frankly, I ain't being fair to you.  It's rather jarring to see a third incarnation of FarkTV, so I dismissed it out of hand.

Give me a while to get the curmudgeon out and I'll sit down and take a look.  Give you another shot.


This is me in a caption, I guess.

I saw WTFARK! and went 'oh, FarkTV is back' and assumed it had to be pure shiat.

Haven't bothered watching an episode because of the previous association. Maybe a good PR campaign that isn't overly forceful and in your face would help. Like: 'Ya, we know, we're not farktv, please at least try watching us before showering us in your bile'.
 
2014-06-09 12:53:59 PM  
If you want to win over farkers you have to have commenting. It will also increase your views of the video.

Yeah some of the people on here will trash it on principle, but someone *may* watch it and make some witty remark about something in it, or reference somewhere  in it there is a MILF, etc. Once that happens, other commenters lurking in the comments will go ahead and click it. Same concept as the daily fail's "hot" standard. Some will venture forth to check, and with some people actually watching the segment, more information is generated and the conversation continues. This will then increase comment count and then increase people interested as to what is going on in the thread, generating more clicks.

Yeah you will take criticism, but view this as retarded internet fight club. Being new, you'll take it personally and let it get you depressed, after a few weeks, you'll learn to be self-deprecating and able to make your enemies look like potato.

Taking away the commenting section makes this as easily ignored as (sponsored partner) was.
 
2014-06-09 12:59:24 PM  

thehobbes: If you want to win over farkers you have to have commenting. It will also increase your views of the video.

Yeah some of the people on here will trash it on principle, but someone *may* watch it and make some witty remark about something in it, or reference somewhere  in it there is a MILF, etc. Once that happens, other commenters lurking in the comments will go ahead and click it. Same concept as the daily fail's "hot" standard. Some will venture forth to check, and with some people actually watching the segment, more information is generated and the conversation continues. This will then increase comment count and then increase people interested as to what is going on in the thread, generating more clicks.

Yeah you will take criticism, but view this as retarded internet fight club. Being new, you'll take it personally and let it get you depressed, after a few weeks, you'll learn to be self-deprecating and able to make your enemies look like potato.

Taking away the commenting section makes this as easily ignored as (sponsored partner) was.


Personally I find it easier to sit in my lazy boy chair and click the video link on the Ora Tv roku channel that has the WTFark videos.  The tv is bigger.
 
2014-06-09 02:09:08 PM  
And here I was, going to give it a shot despite the association with sweat and dead mans balls. Good jorb douchebro on completely failing to understand anything.
 
2014-06-09 02:10:22 PM  

kroonermanblack: Maybe a good PR campaign that isn't overly forceful and in your face would help. Like: 'Ya, we know, we're not farktv, please at least try watching us before showering us in your bile'.


That has a nice ring to it...

"WTFark: It's Not FarkTV, But It Is Fark.com's New Personal Toilet."
 
2014-06-09 02:12:02 PM  

Zafler: And here I was, going to give it a shot despite the association with sweat and dead mans balls. Good jorb douchebro on completely failing to understand anything.


Douchebro no understand nothing. Douchebro just brush teeth with face razor. Douchebro blood mouth bleed hurt hurt.
 
2014-06-09 02:32:41 PM  

mikerylander: <snip>

Of the 3600+ clicks this post got, you and like 3 other dudes ruined my night.

Thanks again.


You know, I did a similar post in response to a known Fark troll recently and it got deleted.  Apparently I was "trolling another Farker."  Nice to see the mods play favorites.

Anyhow, once again, and despite everyone telling you otherwise, you've managed to make this All About You, Mike.  So in yet another exercise in futility, let's break it down for you:

brimed03: You really think any of us wants to see Fark lose? Are you kidding?
brimed03: let's face it, it was doa anyhow


Comment #1 subject: Fark.com
Comment #2 subject: WTFark.

Two different things, Mike.  So, no discrepancies there.  And even if they weren't, I can want to see Fark succeed and still point out where it is failing.  Criticism is a healthy part of loving a person or a place, Mike.  You should really endeavor to understand that.  Really.

brimed03: none of us knows you well enough to dislike you.
brimed03: I just didn't find you funny. Or personable.
brimed03: the host was so banal, his patter so cookie-cutter and boring, the attempts at humor so forced... sometimes you can just tell right away. You just know this thing is stillborn and you can't watch any more.


Comment #1: I don't know you personally and therefore have no grudge against you
Comments #2 & 3: But I do have an opinion of you professionally, which is that you suck as host of WTFark and you don't understand the Fark community, as evidenced repeatedly in these threads.

Personal vs. professional, Mike.  If you can't distinguish the two, you're in the wrong business; entertainment is going to eat you up.  But then, almost every profession requires separating them and not taking professional criticism personally, so I don't really know what you're best suited for.  Maybe you could be a tester in a bubble factory, you can verify that the bubbles don't hurt when they touch you.

brimed03: I have no personal beef with the guy and hope WTFark cam succeed with him.
brimed03: if he's going to be a hot young female with big knockers then I'm going to have to start revising my opinions. And watching WTFark.


Hey, Francis?  Lighten up.  The second comment was a joke response to a popular Fark meme posted above by Farker Duude Stanky.  Seriously, have you even thought about how hard you're working to be hurt here?  You're inventing things to be hurt about.

I'm tempted to finish with a little sampling of your hypocrisy ITT, but that wouldn't do any good.  The fact is, Mike, this entire thread can be summed up as follows:

Fark: Here's what we didn't like about WTFark
YOU: We stopped allowing comments because you hurt my feelings... all we want to do is connect to the Fark core members
Fark: No, no... we're just telling you what we don't like about WTFark so far
YOU: Ouch!  That hurts me feelings.  All you guys ever do is hurt my feelings
Fark: Wait, what?  No, we're telling you why WTFark doesn't seem to connect with the core members... like you asked us to?
YOU: That's it, I'm leaving because you guys are hurtful and mean
Fark: Uh, well, admittedly we can be a little mean, that's kind of how Fark works; that's what we're trying to explain, you're not going to get coddled here and if you can just get past that you'll do fine
YOU: That's it, I'm leaving because you guys are hurtful and mean
Fark: Yeah, you said that.  But just fyi, this isn't about you; it's about how to make WTFark work
YOU: You know, I worked with Mark Wahlberg earlier this year.  I have other gigs.  I can find another gig like that!  But let's make WTFark work I'm really committed to it
Fark: Yeah, you sound really committed to it
YOU: That's it, I'm leaving because you guys are hurtful and mean
Fark: Sighhh...

Mike, I had no personal feelings about you before this.  Now, I do.  I think you're a self-centered, coddled fool who wants an audience of suck-ups and who views WTFark as just a platform for exposure to be leveraged as quickly as possible into other jobs.  You couldn't care less about Fark.com or its core members.  You're absolutely incapable of separating your ego from your work and so are utterly incapable of taking feedback and criticism.

Me and those "three other dudes" who ruined your night?  Did you ever stop to think that we've spent literally hours conversing with you about WTFark?  We're not getting money or career advancement for this.  And if all we were doing was trolling you, frankly it would be like sandblasting a cracker, and about as much fun.  If you could think about something other than yourself for even a minute, you'd realize that we're the best allies you've got, because we evidently do care about Fark.  The problem here is that you don't care about Fark, and why would you?  You don't spend any time on the site.  You don't participate in the comments.  You think of it as just another one of your gigs, and if it doesn't work out, well, you have other irons in the fire.

You know what Fark does really well?  Fark is really good at sniffing out the phonies.  That's why WTFark is failing under your leadership.  Because you aren't genuine and it comes across instantly.

Go on, Mike.  I know all you've been doing as you read this is formulating your butthurt response.  You haven't genuinely listened to anything we've said so far, so why would I expect you to read this with an open mind?  My last post, I was done with this thread for the night.  Now, I'm just done with this thread.  See you in the funny papers, funny guy.
 
2014-06-09 02:45:34 PM  
Well that thread escalated quickly since I went to bed last night.... Mike, get an alt account and make a couple posts per day. You'll get a much better idea of how this community interacts, what's acceptable and what is mocked and why. If you want to work with the community you are going to need a thicker skin, you can't take stuff personally and you can't let it screw with you. Make that alt account and never mention your name or what you do while on that account, it will be a different experience that I think you'll learn a lot from.
 
2014-06-09 02:47:23 PM  

brimed03: Because you aren't genuine and it comes across instantly.


I genuinely care about everything I do.
You may not like me, or personally think I'm funny or a good host, but I have always been a genuine person.

That one hurt.
And I'm not ashamed or too "egomaniacal" to say so.

I, too, am done here.
And I have listened. I've heard it all.
I'll do my best to keep your professional criticisms of my work in mind as I continue to genuinely make it.
 
2014-06-09 02:47:25 PM  
You know, if Mike Rylander could make WTFark as interesting as his comments make these threads, more people would watch.

He should incorporate a 'Heckle Mike Rylander' section into the videos.
 
2014-06-09 03:13:46 PM  

mikerylander: brimed03: Because you aren't genuine and it comes across instantly.

I genuinely care about everything I do.
You may not like me, or personally think I'm funny or a good host, but I have always been a genuine person.

That one hurt.
And I'm not ashamed or too "egomaniacal" to say so.

I, too, am done here.
And I have listened. I've heard it all.
I'll do my best to keep your professional criticisms of my work in mind as I continue to genuinely make it.


Not exactly a way to learn.  as with anything on the internet, you have to

1) accept that all of the people connecting everyday are only truly important to your life if you have them in your life outside of the internet.  Even then at the end of the day, it's your brain and heart not theirs.

2) develop some mental armor, and learn how to roll with the flow.  I'd say punches, but it's been years since anyone on fark has pissed me off.  I prefer swimming over fighting.

3) Take what makes sense to you as constructive criticism.  And run those and iffy ones by Drew to see if maybe you need improvement.

This is an attempt to increase entertainment after all.  Every writer, producer, etc learns from experience, mistakes, criticism, and advice.  Well, some do.  It's not one hundred percent.
 
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