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(Carl Sagan Portal)   "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" Finale episode 13 discussion thread and drinking game. 9PM Eastern on Fox   (carlsagan.com) divider line 92
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2014-06-08 09:26:01 PM  
4 votes:

mark12A: Sorry Neil, I consider Dark Matter to be Theology. "It's there, trust us. Can't see it, can't show you any, but it's there" Sorta like heaven, I guess.


Do you feel the same way about gravity? Cause we've never seen gravity. Ever. All we have are the effects of it. But gravity itself alone? Despite a lot of time and money so far no one has observed it by itself.
2014-06-08 10:15:45 PM  
3 votes:
What do you think, guys?

i.imgur.com
2014-06-08 10:00:21 PM  
3 votes:
So who do we have to pester to get a season 2?
2014-06-08 09:38:15 PM  
3 votes:
I must be hitting some wrong buttons. Definitely don't mean to do anything nice for anyone. ;)
2014-06-09 11:07:48 AM  
2 votes:

Boloxor the Insipid: Cosmos BLOWS.  It is not science, it is cargo-cult science as religion.  Tyson even dresses a priest.

Don't agree with this? Then you may not even know what science really is!  Scientific American, New scientist, Bill Nye, Nova, whatever, this is all pop-science, but pop-science is not science.
...
All that jibjab and special effects in these programs and magazine are bunkum for people who haven't a clue.


Thanks for the input, Dr. Cooper.  I'm sure the show you've produced is much more interesting and informative.  Please share it with us.

And Bill Nye?  Seriously?  Not that I agree that popularizing science is cargo-cult-science-as-religion, but Bill Nye is pretty much the definition of that.  Tyson may not be as eloquent as Sagan, but his heart is in the same place.  Bill Nye is Mr. Wizard The Next Generation.

And of course these programs are for people who haven't a clue.  They're designed to give them a clue.  Inspire someone to look closer, and who knows where they'll go, or where they'll take all of us.
2014-06-09 10:05:22 AM  
2 votes:

Boloxor the Insipid: Cosmos BLOWS.  It is not science, it is cargo-cult science as religion.  Tyson even dresses a priest.

Don't agree with this? Then you may not even know what science really is!  Scientific American, New scientist, Bill Nye, Nova, whatever, this is all pop-science, but pop-science is not science.

I took an image of the first match google gave me for 'quatum physics homework'.  This is what it looks like:
[i.imgur.com image 705x817]
All that jibjab and special effects in these programs and magazine are bunkum for people who haven't a clue.


So what you're actually saying is you have no clue what the hell you're talking about?  You did an image search and came up with a page out of a quantum mechanics text book.  Congrats.

I've got a physics degree.  Bachelors, so nothing too special.  And I can tell you this, as someone who's gone through a similar text book and mastered its content - shows like Cosmos are absolutely science.  Yes, it's the survey course.  No, you're not required to be able to solve the time dependent Schrodinger equation for a particle in a infinite potential well to understand the basics at a conversational level.

What you're calling "pop science" is the gateway to actually getting people to think scientifically, and let go of prejudice, superstitious thinking, and start making decisions that help us as an ecosystem, not a race or a social class.  And it's absolutely science.
2014-06-09 01:25:41 AM  
2 votes:
I couldn't sponsor everyone, but I thought that more Cosmos fans should see the Cosmos TF logo while it was still there. And I want to thank Crypticsatellite, who posts Science Channel discussion threads every week and has been since back when they played Cosmos reruns on Tuesday nights. He's a hell of a satellite.
2014-06-09 12:25:23 AM  
2 votes:
An apt time for a reboot of the James Burke "Connections"  show, don't you think? It has been a favorite since the late '70s when it first aired.
2014-06-08 10:02:56 PM  
2 votes:
Great ending,loved the homage to Sagan.I hope the next spectacular science show will be on PBS without commercials though.
2014-06-08 10:01:46 PM  
2 votes:
Maybe not the poetry of Sagan, but an eloquent plea for sanity. A good thumbprint for Neil's message with this iteration.
2014-06-08 09:59:46 PM  
2 votes:
I feel privileged to have shared this with you all
2014-06-08 09:54:08 PM  
2 votes:
That was beautiful.
2014-06-08 09:52:16 PM  
2 votes:
Some of the most powerful words ever written.

/Manly tears T_T7
2014-06-08 09:47:19 PM  
2 votes:
He's been talking about the Voyagers - he has to close out the series with Pale Blue Dot.  Perfect homage to Carl.
2014-06-08 09:41:18 PM  
2 votes:
Woah, finally saw the FFRF Ron Reagan ad.  That's gonna twist some panties.....
2014-06-08 09:40:31 PM  
2 votes:

mark12A: Sorry Neil, I consider Dark Matter to be Theology. "It's there, trust us. Can't see it, can't show you any, but it's there" Sorta like heaven, I guess.


Neil pointed out that the term "dark" matter or energy is a reference to our ignorance.

It must hurt to be that dumb. At least, dear God, I hope it does.
2014-06-08 09:32:14 PM  
2 votes:

Aquapope: shastacola: cameroncrazy1984: I almost always want to go outside and look up at the stars after one of these types of episodes.

I feel the same way and felt the same with Sagan's Cosmos too. I hope Carl gets a shout out tonight.

I hope he does Carl reading Pale Blue Dot with new graphics, photography, etc.


Oh gods, I hope so. The Pale Blue Dot is some of the most powerful writing in the world to me.
2014-06-08 09:28:32 PM  
2 votes:
I don't know what I said or did for the one month of TF, but THANK YOU Chicken_little (if you're in here)
2014-06-08 09:23:27 PM  
2 votes:

mark12A: Sorry Neil, I consider Dark Matter to be Theology. "It's there, trust us. Can't see it, can't show you any, but it's there"


Huh. I was unaware that sight was the only sense that humans have. And eyes the only tool.
2014-06-08 08:48:16 PM  
2 votes:

mark12A: It's not been that good a series. Kinda light on the production values, and he jumped around a lot. Not a good narrative flow at all.


I disagree 100%. It's beautifully shot and well-edited. Tyson has a good way of explaining concepts and linking them together. You're just reaching for things to be critical about.
2014-06-08 08:27:10 PM  
2 votes:

Psychohazard: This was one of the best series on TV in a while.  Here's hoping for some sort of sequel, like using Neuroscience as a launching pad to discuss biochemistry, genetics, informatics, and philosophy.


...you mean like NOVA ScienceNOW, that started almost a decade ago which Tyson hosted for five seasons?
2014-06-08 08:22:48 PM  
2 votes:
This was one of the best series on TV in a while.  Here's hoping for some sort of sequel, like using Neuroscience as a launching pad to discuss biochemistry, genetics, informatics, and philosophy.
2014-06-09 11:16:43 AM  
1 votes:

rosekolodny: And I just watched this final episode of Cosmos.  I was... not unmoved.  OK, fine.  Pale Blue Dot got me good, and I went a little weepy.  My time zone has prevented my from watching in real-time with the threads, but I have really enjoyed reading along after I watch the episode.  Thanks, farkers.


I watched this morning also, due to time zone/lack of cable.  Great stuff.  I'm surprised that no one here has commented on the empty chair in the ship of the imagination at the end.  It's like Neil saying, "Ok, I'm done here.  Who's next?"
2014-06-09 08:12:35 AM  
1 votes:

Boloxor the Insipid: This not a definition, it is an example.  Specifically an example of how different actual science is from media portrayal.  This math cannot be translated into English; you might as well translate into dog barks.  That is to say, the level of science you get from Cosmos is the same level of science your dog gets from Cosmos.  That is, none.  You might both be sold on a new brand of dog food though.
What Cosmos in particular does do is political proselytizing.  It does it the same way preachers sell their religion; with interesting stories about long dead mean and proclamations about the one absolute truth.


So, basically, you're using the same argument that Harvard used against Carl Sagan when he was denied tenure.  That he was trying to bring science to the masses by making it more accessible instead of doing hard research.

And you are wrong.  It's better to have scientists that try to explain things like the scientific method in simple terms that anyone can understand.   Sagan himself thought that the more that science is accessible by the general public (the explanations of why and how things work), the better off society was at large.  Science is no more a 'religion' than I am a flatworm.
2014-06-09 02:58:27 AM  
1 votes:
imgs.xkcd.com
2014-06-09 02:57:09 AM  
1 votes:

Boloxor the Insipid: This not a definition, it is an example.  Specifically an example of how different actual science is from media portrayal.  This math cannot be translated into English; you might as well translate into dog barks.  That is to say, the level of science you get from Cosmos is the same level of science your dog gets from Cosmos.  That is, none.  You might both be sold on a new brand of dog food though.
What Cosmos in particular does do is political proselytizing.  It does it the same way preachers sell their religion; with interesting stories about long dead mean and proclamations about the one absolute truth.


Let me help you out here a little:

Steps of the Scientific Method:
Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

 ______________________
See step one?
See the last step?
That is what Cosmos was doing.
Getting present-day people to internally ask questions about things they might not know
AND show results of questions asked by people who came before them.
2014-06-09 01:46:12 AM  
1 votes:
I've been following the series with rapt attention. Wonderful series. I hope it opened a few eyes.
2014-06-09 01:28:56 AM  
1 votes:
Just finished out here on the west coast, tears in my eyes. I wish Fark was able to play these threads out in the same time based on your timezone. Or maybe have an Eastern Time/Central Time/Mountain Time/Pacific Time thread set. I would have liked to share all this will you in real time. But I feel as I have been able to in a small way.
2014-06-08 11:00:57 PM  
1 votes:
Hey dugitman, many thanks for the TF subscription! I drink to you.
2014-06-08 10:50:14 PM  
1 votes:

Lapdance: The last episode should have been the First. Last week the whole show was about Global Warming. Then I remembered I got PO'd at the Original for Sagan harping about Nuclear Winter back then. Just came for the Science but they Had to stick Politics into it both times


Science can't ignore politics. Politics ignoring science is one of the primary reasons the world and it's people are currently hurtling down two or three parallel paths to it's destruction. If science goes on it's merry way ignoring politics, one day the scientists will wake up to nuclear war, global climate destruction, world-wide epidemics, crippling overpopulation, or one of a dozen other genuine threats. And by then all of their science will be worthless.
2014-06-08 10:47:24 PM  
1 votes:

Lapdance: Still the most bothersome were the crappy cartoons. Weren't any Cartoons in the Original.


Evolution in 40 seconds
2014-06-08 10:42:45 PM  
1 votes:

Pariah.: What do you think, guys?

[i.imgur.com image 370x380]


I like it.!

And thanks again to dugitman.
2014-06-08 10:39:53 PM  
1 votes:
Thank you for the TotalFark - dugitman !

I hope we get to do this again with a new Cosmos series.
2014-06-08 10:37:19 PM  
1 votes:

mark12A: The struggle against Communisim, present day struggles against Islamic fundies, is NOT meaningless or petty.


A lot of the research that goes into space exploration was done by Soviet scientists. Indeed the inability of them to communicate freely with American and other scientists greatly hampered space exploration, it still hampers it. So, yeah, we'd have been a lot better off just learning to get along than blowing tons of money on posturing, goes for us, goes for them.
2014-06-08 10:35:35 PM  
1 votes:
Well folks, it's been real. Don't forget the badge!

i.imgur.com
2014-06-08 10:25:24 PM  
1 votes:

mark12A: Sorry kids, not feeling it. It's lovely plea, "Can't we all just get along?" "it's the only home we got..etc."

But it's just a lament. The Scienticians love to whine about the inhumanity of man, but don't seem to have any ideas on how to resolve the struggle of freedom against tyranny. Bleeding for freedom is just so icky....


Yeah, because throwing up our hands yelling, "Nope, nothing we can do at all - even a little bit - to make this world a better place" is the right answer.
2014-06-08 10:19:59 PM  
1 votes:

mark12A: Sorry kids, not feeling it. It's lovely plea, "Can't we all just get along?" "it's the only home we got..etc."

But it's just a lament. The Scienticians love to whine about the inhumanity of man, but don't seem to have any ideas on how to resolve the struggle of freedom against tyranny. Bleeding for freedom is just so icky....


That the best you've got? Pitiful.
2014-06-08 10:10:18 PM  
1 votes:
At its core, Cosmos (both of them) were about Science and Knowledge, how we came by them, why we need them, what they can do for us.  It's a series about Science and why we should appreciate it in big broad terms.  It's not a show about a particular science or application of tech, except to illustrate the bigger picture of Science.

I don't know if you could do that with another 13 weeks.  But I would love to give that a try.
2014-06-08 10:10:10 PM  
1 votes:
Well guys, it's been fun when I've been able to show up for these threads. We should make a badge. Anyone got any ideas for one?
2014-06-08 10:07:02 PM  
1 votes:
Here's the music that's on the Voyager Golder Record. I'm gonna check out some of these later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contents_of_the_Voyager_Golden_Record#M us ic
2014-06-08 10:05:44 PM  
1 votes:

trekkiecougar: The thought of the Voyager probes gives me chills. It's fascinating to imagine some being examining them after we're long gone. I have the greatest respect for the folks who designed and cconstructed them.


"Murmurs of Earth: The Voyager Interstellar Record" (Sagan) is the book to hunt down.

http://goldenrecord.org/ is cool in the meantime.
2014-06-08 10:04:32 PM  
1 votes:
Thanks for a great few months folks. This was truly wonderful. Enjoyed it every week. Gonna have to get the BluRay for sure.
2014-06-08 10:03:39 PM  
1 votes:
Aw, thanks for the TFark dugitman!!!

And thanks to my fellow nerdy farkers for a great run of threads!  I'm drunk and I love you!
2014-06-08 10:02:20 PM  
1 votes:

Vacation Bible School: So who do we have to pester to get a season 2?


Strong DVD sales might convince them.
2014-06-08 10:01:30 PM  
1 votes:
THANK YOU to all of you who made this series a REAL TREAT to watch with you.  Thank you for correcting me when I was wrong, thank you for making fun of the fundies, and not making fun of my religiousness.

Most of all, just THANK YOU for having a thread EVERY WEEK!

/chicken_little thank you again!
2014-06-08 10:00:38 PM  
1 votes:
www.bestgifever.com
2014-06-08 10:00:05 PM  
1 votes:
You know it's a mesmerizing fer minutes when your screensaver pops up in a discussion thread.

That was a beautiful last 10 minutes. Thank you Neil.
2014-06-08 10:00:00 PM  
1 votes:
wow, good ending but sad too. Wish we had more
2014-06-08 09:59:37 PM  
1 votes:

Neil deGrasse Tyson @neiltyson 28m
Between scenes on #Cosmos. Hadrian'sVilla. Surely the cover art for my nonexistent album of love songs pic.twitter.com/e2CkPiUrzD

pbs.twimg.com

2014-06-08 09:57:56 PM  
1 votes:
right now...on one side of the moon is Saturn and on the other is Mars.
pretty cool
2014-06-08 09:55:34 PM  
1 votes:
The Pale Blue Dot always gets me. Always.
2014-06-08 09:54:51 PM  
1 votes:
speck of dust got in my eye
2014-06-08 09:54:44 PM  
1 votes:

chicken_little: I must be hitting some wrong buttons. Definitely don't mean to do anything nice for anyone. ;)


Thanks as well!  You're wonderful!
2014-06-08 09:54:00 PM  
1 votes:
Goosebumps and a smile.  That was great.
2014-06-08 09:53:53 PM  
1 votes:
Lot of nerds are crying right now.....
2014-06-08 09:53:33 PM  
1 votes:

picodenico: crypticsatellite: And did you notice the alt text of the image? :)

The what?


Alt text is an HTML thing that displays a user-settable text if the image cannot display. It says, "Au revoir, Cosmos."
2014-06-08 09:50:36 PM  
1 votes:

Pariah.: Aquapope: He's been talking about the Voyagers - he has to close out the series with Pale Blue Dot.  Perfect homage to Carl.

Gods I hope so.


NAILED IT!!!
2014-06-08 09:49:22 PM  
1 votes:

dugitman: look for an occasional variant logo of that too. -snert-


OH GOD NO
2014-06-08 09:48:19 PM  
1 votes:

Pariah.: Trying this image link again....

[i.imgur.com image 357x192]


look for an occasional variant logo of that too. -snert-
2014-06-08 09:47:06 PM  
1 votes:
The origin of S. R. Hadden:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esarhaddon
2014-06-08 09:46:51 PM  
1 votes:
The thought of the Voyager probes gives me chills. It's fascinating to imagine some being examining them after we're long gone. I have the greatest respect for the folks who designed and cconstructed them.
2014-06-08 09:46:03 PM  
1 votes:
*blinks* Thank you chicken_little for the TF gift.

Thought I was seeing things and one too many drinks when I saw that message
2014-06-08 09:45:10 PM  
1 votes:
God, that Blind Willy Johnson story gets me every time.....
2014-06-08 09:45:08 PM  
1 votes:
Heh. The contents of that probe really do show us as a race of hopeless romantics, huh?
2014-06-08 09:41:49 PM  
1 votes:
WOW!

I just saw the FFRF ad.

I am religious, and Catholic.  I APPLAUD that ad.

WHAT is the capitol of ASSYRIA?!?
2014-06-08 09:41:16 PM  
1 votes:
Thanks for the TF, dugitman.  I see you started drinking early.
2014-06-08 09:40:50 PM  
1 votes:
Just getting the Freedom from Religion Foundation ad here in the Minneapolis/St Paul area.
2014-06-08 09:40:45 PM  
1 votes:

Vacation Bible School: crypticsatellite: WhyteRaven74: crypticsatellite: I saw it in the Boston area.

I saw it in Chicago.

also anyone with TF notice the Fark logo at the top of the page?

Yup. :)

screenshot for us pleebs?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7INIhD9P0Pw

/haven't seen it tonight but have seen it somewhere recently, maybe a previous episode of this
2014-06-08 09:40:38 PM  
1 votes:
Dark matter is global warming of astrophysics, in that most astrophysicist are in agreement that dark matter is actually matter, but most lay people (who think about it at all) seem not to.

There are several lines of evidence showing dark matter being matter, rather than a breakdown of gravitational theory (e.g., MOND). The Bullet Cluster more or less puts the nails in the coffin of theories like MOND. Dark matter is far from "theology".

There is also precedent for a particle being theorized before its discovery. Neutrinos, for example, were theorized a good 30 years before being discovered in the lab. And there's also the Higgs Boson.
2014-06-08 09:40:12 PM  
1 votes:

chicken_little: I must be hitting some wrong buttons. Definitely don't mean to do anything nice for anyone. ;)


Thank you!!!
2014-06-08 09:40:01 PM  
1 votes:

GRCooper: geom_00: So...on August 1st, we finally find out what the Fox says??

"Benghazi"?


Fox, not Fox News.
2014-06-08 09:39:54 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: geom_00: Um....I for one would throw money at a kickstarter for that.

So would I.

cameroncrazy1984: That would be fun to have.

Yep it would.


It already exists, it just depends on how handy you are with a soldering iron:

The Society of Amateur Radio Astronomy website

http://radio-astronomy.org/e-store

has plans for an Itty Bitty Radio Telescope

http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/epo/teachers/ittybitty/procedure.html

that you can cobble together at home.  If you're completely inept at that kind of stuff, contact your local amateur radio club

http://www.arrl.org/find-a-club

and see if anyone can help.

Warning:  highly addictive hobby
2014-06-08 09:36:29 PM  
1 votes:
Holy shiat, why is chicken_little giving out TF to this whole thread?!

Thanks, not that I have the time to really take advantage of it.... xD
2014-06-08 09:30:59 PM  
1 votes:

shastacola: cameroncrazy1984: I almost always want to go outside and look up at the stars after one of these types of episodes.

I feel the same way and felt the same with Sagan's Cosmos too. I hope Carl gets a shout out tonight.


I hope he does Carl reading Pale Blue Dot with new graphics, photography, etc.
2014-06-08 09:30:39 PM  
1 votes:

crypticsatellite: I saw it in the Boston area.


I saw it in Chicago.

also anyone with TF notice the Fark logo at the top of the page?
2014-06-08 09:29:46 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: spottymax: nucular bum: Ho. Lee. FARK. Ad for Freedom from Religion Foundation with Ron Reagan. "...not afraid of burning in hell!" Yeaaaaaahhhh!!!

Was this a national ad?  Local station had a news update last break.

Had to be local; I didn't see it.


I saw it in the Boston area.
2014-06-08 09:29:11 PM  
1 votes:

spottymax: nucular bum: Ho. Lee. FARK. Ad for Freedom from Religion Foundation with Ron Reagan. "...not afraid of burning in hell!" Yeaaaaaahhhh!!!

Was this a national ad?  Local station had a news update last break.


Had to be local; I didn't see it.
2014-06-08 09:27:22 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: mark12A: Sorry Neil, I consider Dark Matter to be Theology. "It's there, trust us. Can't see it, can't show you any, but it's there" Sorta like heaven, I guess.

Do you feel the same way about gravity? Cause we've never seen gravity. Ever. All we have are the effects of it. But gravity itself alone? Despite a lot of time and money so far no one has observed it by itself.


Obviously gravity is religion.
2014-06-08 09:26:29 PM  
1 votes:
Ho. Lee. FARK. Ad for Freedom from Religion Foundation with Ron Reagan. "...not afraid of burning in hell!" Yeaaaaaahhhh!!!
2014-06-08 09:24:26 PM  
1 votes:

farkingismybusiness: I always knew Ronald Reagan was a satanist!


that ad was great.
2014-06-08 09:24:24 PM  
1 votes:

mark12A: Sorry Neil, I consider Dark Matter to be Theology. "It's there, trust us. Can't see it, can't show you any, but it's there" Sorta like heaven, I guess.

OH MY GOD IT'S RON REAGAN!!! AND HE'S NOT AFRAID OF BURNING IN HELL!!!!


There is SOME evidence for it. It's our current best theory for the gravitational effect. That's one more piece of evidence than for anything theological.
2014-06-08 09:23:36 PM  
1 votes:
Carl had planned to do a second series after "Cosmos." It was to be called, "Ethos."
2014-06-08 09:16:35 PM  
1 votes:
"We don't have to pretend we have all the answers."

Let the fundie butthurt commence.
2014-06-08 09:12:36 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: It's always cool when you look for something and find something else instead.


I'm paraphrasing here:

The most interesting words in science aren't "AH-HA," but "That's strange."
2014-06-08 09:09:05 PM  
1 votes:

Corn_Fed: Just curious about ratings--is Cosmos considered a genuine ratings hit? Has it performed well enough that a 2nd season is likely?


Sadly, no.  Neil doesn't want to host a second season.

I am HOPING though, that someone else does.

Bill Nye, or another woman was suggested last week.
2014-06-08 09:04:27 PM  
1 votes:
The mob's already here, Neil. What a virulent strain of anti-intellectualism we have in this country, to say nothing of the rest of the world.
2014-06-08 09:04:17 PM  
1 votes:
Jenny McCarty and Ken Ham have sizable followings.

The Mobs already here, Neil
2014-06-08 09:03:18 PM  
1 votes:
And we use that ability... to look at porn and cat pictures.
2014-06-08 09:02:02 PM  
1 votes:

mark12A: OK, I like NdGT, but if you all can just dial back the NdGT fanboi intensity, that would be good...


Can you point that out for me? I'm not finding any.
2014-06-08 09:01:23 PM  
1 votes:
It sucks that it's ending, but all good things do.
2014-06-08 08:55:10 PM  
1 votes:

BeerBear: final episode :( now what show we going use going to use to drink?


You're ready for pointless, aimless drinking now, young padawan

/jedi drinker
2014-06-08 08:50:08 PM  
1 votes:

mark12A: It's not been that good a series. Kinda light on the production values, and he jumped around a lot. Not a good narrative flow at all. The commercials were the final nail in the coffin. A noble effort, but something like this really belongs on PBS.

Last week was frustrating. Made some nice clear points about global warming, but didn't close the sale. You do NOT make a statement like "global warming is increasing the number and severity of storms" without backing it up with some data. There is no clear data showing that yet. We're coming off some quiet hurricane and tornado seasons. People are going to throw that in your face. He needed to make a complete airtight case, and didn't . And he was SO close. He talked about the carbon balance, good, killed the volcano argument the deniers use, but did NOT address how much CO2 the biosphere throws into the air. He needed to address that, because deniers will bring it up. Frustrating.


c.mql5.com
 
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