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(Blogger.com)   Government rules cheese can't age on wooden boards - and that Americans can't import cheese from Europe that was aged on wooden boards in methods used for thousands of years   (cheeseunderground.blogspot.com ) divider line 285
    More: Stupid, FDA, Europe, Center for Food Safety, Americans, Listeria monocytogenes, food processing, FSMA, pathogenic bacteria  
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2014-06-08 11:51:34 AM  
Common-sense regulations must thrive otherwise Somalia!
 
2014-06-08 11:58:07 AM  
Yeah. I'm not finding anything about this from anywhere other than this blog.
 
2014-06-08 12:18:48 PM  

Shostie: Yeah. I'm not finding anything about this from anywhere other than this blog.


DNRTFA, but most European techniques for handling dairy products are banned in the USA. You can't get the best French cheeses here.

But we are preserving some nice federal regulatory jobs by making sure we save ourselves from nothing that could hurt us.
 
2014-06-08 12:23:40 PM  
This America. If it don't come from a can or come individually wrapped it's elitest.
 
2014-06-08 12:26:56 PM  
So, are they saying Obama is cutting the cheese?
 
2014-06-08 12:28:30 PM  
We separated form the Crown but still have the rule making fetish.
 
2014-06-08 12:42:20 PM  
at lest we can look forward to the tainted chicken parts from china, thanks fda.
 
2014-06-08 12:43:00 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So, are they saying Obama is cutting the cheese?


And chewing gum at the same time.
 
2014-06-08 01:04:47 PM  
fta "The very pillar that we built our niche business on is the ability to age our cheese on wood planks, an art that has been practiced in Europe for thousands of years," Roelli says.

Yeah? And guess what. All those Europeans who've been eating wood plank-aged cheese for thousands of years are either dead or are going to die. All. Of. Them. So stop trying to kill Americans with your socialist European wood plank cheese.
 
2014-06-08 01:35:49 PM  
At last!  Finally a government agency is stepping up and taking action to STOP the plague of cheese-related deaths!  Five of my siblings died in the Great Brie Catastrophe of '87.
 
2014-06-08 01:35:56 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So, are they saying Obama is cutting the cheese?


DIEDIEDIE!!!
 
2014-06-08 01:36:29 PM  
I've never understood our cheese regulations. Is their a Wisconsin based cheese Mafia?
 
2014-06-08 01:36:32 PM  

edmo: We separated form the Crown but still have the rule making fetish.


Bravo
 
2014-06-08 01:36:35 PM  
pocketdoppler.com
We don't want cheese touch.
 
2014-06-08 01:36:48 PM  
People have been doing a lot of shiat for thousands of years that isn't any good of an idea at all. That's a bad argument. What they should focus on is how this practice isn't dangerous or unsanitary.
 
2014-06-08 01:37:35 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-08 01:37:57 PM  
Off to add Cheese-Ruiner to the Big Spiffy List!
 
2014-06-08 01:38:28 PM  
Blessed are the cheesemakers.
 
2014-06-08 01:39:28 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: But we are preserving some nice federal regulatory jobs by making sure we save ourselves from nothing that could hurt us.


IIRC, there are barely any regulation goons and even less funding to enforce their will. But I guess it's cool to rage against the machine, brah.
 
2014-06-08 01:40:27 PM  
This is actually wonderful news.  Like many middle-aged Americans, I am currently grappling with the crushing angst of an all-in-all mediocre career and life in general.

And then this shows up....a golden opportunity to change all that by becoming a professional cheese smuggler.  Sign. Me. Up.  Danger, excitement, travel...cheesy consumables.  I am there!

Thank you big government!
 
2014-06-08 01:40:36 PM  
God I hope they never see blue cheese. I here it has the mold!!
 
2014-06-08 01:42:50 PM  
Thank you big government from saving me from delicious international cheese.
 
2014-06-08 01:42:59 PM  
 
2014-06-08 01:43:29 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Thank you big government for saving me from delicious international cheese.

 
2014-06-08 01:44:47 PM  
French people have been keeping cows in their houses for thousands of years too, doesn't mean it's sanitary.
 
2014-06-08 01:44:52 PM  
No one expected this giant regulation behemoth to virtually put a stop to innovation in the American artisanal cheese movement.

Their chief weapon is surprise.
 
2014-06-08 01:46:57 PM  
Behold the power of pathogenic cheese.
 
2014-06-08 01:47:06 PM  
fark the fda.
 
2014-06-08 01:48:09 PM  

Nothing To See Here: It's worth a minute to watch this, trust me.


"Pinch a loaf"

That was funny.
 
2014-06-08 01:48:16 PM  
Next they will want us to stop using lead drinking mugs.
 
2014-06-08 01:49:23 PM  

beverly8: fark the fda.


You are literally only alive thanks to the FDA.
 
2014-06-08 01:50:11 PM  

Nothing To See Here: It's worth a minute to watch this, trust me.


BZZZZZ
 
2014-06-08 01:50:50 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-08 01:51:46 PM  

Zap_Rowsdower: At last!  Finally a government agency is stepping up and taking action to STOP the plague of cheese-related deaths!  Five of my siblings died in the Great Brie Catastrophe of '87.


My condolences. That was a muenster of a catastrophe.
 
2014-06-08 01:52:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: French people have been keeping cows in their houses for thousands of years too, doesn't mean it's sanitary.


That's no way to talk about someone's mother-in-law.
 
2014-06-08 01:52:20 PM  
Food AND Drug Administration
 
2014-06-08 01:52:25 PM  

Hector Remarkable: No one expected this giant regulation behemoth to virtually put a stop to innovation in the American artisanal cheese movement.


Oh, I like this line right here. It gets the best of right wing trolls and hipster yuppie lefties to hate on the same thing. Government getting in the whey of their cheese.
 
2014-06-08 01:53:03 PM  
Ban the cheese, but allow scrapple?
This is what insanity looks like.
 
2014-06-08 01:53:43 PM  
As a friend of mine from Paris told me in 1998, "In France, we have cheese that will kill you Americans."   It is the same reason why you can't buy Kobe beef here either.  The USA wants free trade with other countries as long as they play by our rules.
 
2014-06-08 01:54:01 PM  

Hector Remarkable: No one expected this giant regulation behemoth to virtually put a stop to innovation in the American artisanal cheese movement.

Their chief weapon is surprise.


...and ruthless efficiency.
 
2014-06-08 01:54:05 PM  
Meanwhile poultry inspections are conducted at the rate of 1 chicken every 1/3 of a second, literally so fast you'll miss one every time you blink . More info.
 
2014-06-08 01:54:39 PM  
"A sense of disbelief and distress is quickly rippling through the U.S. artisan cheese community"

www.asicentral.com
 
2014-06-08 01:55:31 PM  
If this story is as straight-up as the article states, it is a pretty dumb rule. If you're worried about your mold-covered cheese picking up additional pathogens, maybe you shouldn't be eating mold-covered cheese in the first place.
 
2014-06-08 01:55:38 PM  
I'm no artisan cheese maker. So please excuse my ignorance, but can't you make cheese without wooden boards?  Is it a flavor component or something?
 
2014-06-08 01:55:59 PM  
If only they applied the same zeal for this to gun control
 
2014-06-08 01:57:10 PM  

Hector Remarkable: No one expected this giant regulation behemoth to virtually put a stop to innovation in the American artisanal cheese movement.

Their chief weapon is surprise.


upload.wikimedia.org Their chief weapon is the flies.
 
2014-06-08 01:58:08 PM  
It's almost as though the FDA is applying mandated standards for food preparation and manufacturing surfaces to a food preparation and manufacturing surface.
 
2014-06-08 01:58:10 PM  
real? or Onion in disguise?

I can actually see this happening, unfortunately.  "Eat your vitamin-enriched processed-gelatin wafer, Citizen."

/what is this taste you speak of?
 
2014-06-08 01:58:19 PM  

Aarontology: This America. If it don't come from a can or come individually wrapped it's elitest.


www.theeasymarket.com

Never really thought of Velveeta as "elitist" before, but there ya go.

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Seriously, though.  This is probably a regulation that should have been thought out better, but I'm willing to consider the anti-wooden shelf POV.

What is the food safety record of wood aged cheese in the US and EU?  It's likely very good, but IDK.  Could even a few deaths per year be prevented if all cheese had been aged on properly cleaned stainless steel?

Is it possible to tell the difference in taste or texture between stainless steel aged cheese and wood aged cheese, or are cheesemakers wineing whining because "It's ALWAYS been done this way!"  (Cheese and wine-- yum!)

If a properly done double blind study was made, I doubt any difference could be consistently detected even by "Cheese experts."  I could be wrong on that, though.

In the end:

IF it could save a few lives and nobody can tell the difference in the product, I'd tell the cheesemakers to suck it up and invest in new shelves.

IF there is no evidence of anybody getting sick or dying from wood aged cheese but there's no difference in quality vs. stainless steel, I'd be pretty indifferent, but leaning a little in favor of FDA's attempts to keep their rules simple and consistent as possible while adding in a "better safe than sorry" factor-- something I sure as hell wish they would do when it came to factory farm practices like giving antibiotics to livestock just to make them bigger.

Where it gets interesting: What if the facts turn out to be yes, wood-aged cheese tastes slightly better, And somewhere around 6 people a year sicken and/or die from food poisoning that could have been avoided if stainless steel shelves were used.

What would the tradeoff point be for better taste vs. peoples lives?

Personally, I'd be willing to kill 53.5 people per year and take that 1 in 50 million chance of death to make sure my Velveeta stayed yummy.


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Annnnd, I've typed way more on this subject than I wanted to, so here's a YouTube link to the Monty Python Cheese Shop sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0
 
2014-06-08 02:00:06 PM  
I love the cheese but the cheese don't love me.
 
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