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2014-06-08 12:21:00 PM  
As I mistakenly posted in another thread, Dawkins can eat a dick.
 
2014-06-08 12:51:59 PM  

Mugato: As I mistakenly posted in another thread, Dawkins can eat a dick.


I believe that's one of those sentiments that is really at home in any thread.
 
2014-06-08 01:35:08 PM  
OMG! Richard Dawkins had an opinion about something.

Nobody should ever have an opinion that contradicts mine. I must denounce him.

Mugato: Dawkins can eat a dick.


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Oh that's funny. That really showed him.
 
2014-06-08 01:37:57 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: OMG! Richard Dawkins had an opinion about something.

Nobody should ever have an opinion that contradicts mine. I must denounce him.

Mugato: Dawkins can eat a dick.

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Oh that's funny. That really showed him.


You should switch to decaf crack.
 
2014-06-08 01:44:37 PM  
Oh look, Atheism has nutjob fanatics too. The problem will all human endeavors is ... the humans.
 
2014-06-08 01:48:14 PM  

Mugato: You should switch to decaf crack.


Domo arigato Mr. Mugato.
 
2014-06-08 01:48:57 PM  
I thought my X-Men mutant ability would appear and I'd be a superhero. I got over it.

/not really, still want to be an X-Man
 
2014-06-08 01:58:14 PM  
Eh, he has a point.

Was sitting at a coffee shop yesterday and a mother was sitting at the table next to mine discussing with her two young children a book they had read about Baba Yaga.  The kids were bored and disinterested, but at one point one of them that looked to be about 6 said almost as an aside "sometimes I don't believe in magic."  I wanted to lean over and say that was very wise of them, but it wasn't really my place.  But it made me think; if we're raising children on stories about magic and fairy tales, how does that affect their credulity later in life?
 
2014-06-08 02:05:42 PM  

StrangeQ: Eh, he has a point.

Was sitting at a coffee shop yesterday and a mother was sitting at the table next to mine discussing with her two young children a book they had read about Baba Yaga.  The kids were bored and disinterested, but at one point one of them that looked to be about 6 said almost as an aside "sometimes I don't believe in magic."  I wanted to lean over and say that was very wise of them, but it wasn't really my place.  But it made me think; if we're raising children on stories about magic and fairy tales, how does that affect their credulity later in life?


Seriously?
 
2014-06-08 02:07:37 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Oh look, Atheism has nutjob fanatics too. The problem will all human endeavors is ... the humans.


Read that as autism at first.  Which makes sense because Dawkins has lots of Aspie/Executive Dysfunction behaviors.
 
2014-06-08 02:09:25 PM  
Disney movies should be banned because they give girls very unrealistic expectations of how relationships work.

Before anyone says similar things about men and porn, one has to be 18 to purchase porn.
 
2014-06-08 02:10:16 PM  
I think this is one of the few times where Dawkins thinks religion has a good idea. "Noooo, you can't expose young minds to the ideas of witchcraft and magic, it's going to send them to Hell / a position of not knowing what reason is!"
 
2014-06-08 02:11:22 PM  
Let's see... is it the fundamentalists against witchcraft and fantasy? The feminists against perpetuated gender roles? LGBTQ for a lack of sexual diversity? *click* Dawkins? Seriously?
 
2014-06-08 02:11:48 PM  
These kinds of stories also stir the imagination, which is important in scientific research.  Imagination leads to innovation.

It's a stupid question anyways.  We would have to get rid of fairy tales, the mythologies of several cultures, several works by Shakespear, the fantasy genre, the superhero genre, and a host of other works, which isn't going to happen.
 
2014-06-08 02:12:45 PM  

Saborlas: Disney movies should be banned because they give girls very unrealistic expectations of how relationships work.

Before anyone says similar things about men and porn, one has to be 18 to purchase porn.


Might as well throw out romantic comedies, most YA fiction, pop music, and just about every other form of entertainment popular amongst that set then.  Entertainment is often escapism, it doesn't have to be, and shouldn't always be, true to life.
 
2014-06-08 02:17:06 PM  
I'd be happy if copyright wasn't extended whenever mickey mouse was about to go public domain
 
2014-06-08 02:20:20 PM  
A mildly interesting piece with an abrupt
 
2014-06-08 02:34:32 PM  

Apos: A mildly interesting piece with an abrupt


Are you saying its like the Sopranos were they just ended it in the middle of a damned sen
 
2014-06-08 02:36:07 PM  

Mugato: Because People in power are Stupid: OMG! Richard Dawkins had an opinion about something.

Nobody should ever have an opinion that contradicts mine. I must denounce him.

Mugato: Dawkins can eat a dick.

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Oh that's funny. That really showed him.

You should switch to decaf crack.


Ugh, it's so exoensive.
 
2014-06-08 02:36:43 PM  

wildsnowllama: Mugato: Because People in power are Stupid: OMG! Richard Dawkins had an opinion about something.

Nobody should ever have an opinion that contradicts mine. I must denounce him.

Mugato: Dawkins can eat a dick.

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Oh that's funny. That really showed him.

You should switch to decaf crack.

Ugh, it's so exoensive.


:/ *expensive
 
2014-06-08 02:41:48 PM  
Weirdly, I'm drawing mental parallels between Dawkins and Deepak Chopra, for some reason.
 
2014-06-08 02:47:41 PM  

kroonermanblack: StrangeQ: Eh, he has a point.

Was sitting at a coffee shop yesterday and a mother was sitting at the table next to mine discussing with her two young children a book they had read about Baba Yaga.  The kids were bored and disinterested, but at one point one of them that looked to be about 6 said almost as an aside "sometimes I don't believe in magic."  I wanted to lean over and say that was very wise of them, but it wasn't really my place.  But it made me think; if we're raising children on stories about magic and fairy tales, how does that affect their credulity later in life?

Seriously?


YASRSLY.

The argument of "we've done it this way for thousands of years, therefore it must be the best way" doesn't really carry much rational support.
 
2014-06-08 02:57:13 PM  
Pterry had the best answer for this kind of thinking. Paraphrased, children need to learn to believe in the little lies first, so they can believe in the big ones, like justice and mercy.
 
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2014-06-08 02:58:46 PM  

StrangeQ: looked to be about 6 said almost as an aside "sometimes I don't believe in magic."


And so the kid is learning to tell made-up from factual.
 
2014-06-08 03:06:42 PM  
I am most definitely an atheist.
And I never believed in any religion, nor did my parents try to indoctrinate me. However there was no evil atheist anti-religion indoctrination either. But they did explain how things, even mysterious things, work (a lever, a car, and more esoteric things). and there was probably some introduction to critical thinking.

Still, I remember having what I assume is a common child's imagination. Believing in all sorts of little thing that had no base in reality. And then there was this phase where I knew those things did not exist, but I still kind of believe in them. I WANTED to believe in them. They were fun and stuff. And I knew that I would soon cease to believe in those things. And that is exactly what happened.
I don't miss those things. Art (including literature) and science and experiencing nature offer plenty of wonder.
Nor do I doubt that I have any less imagination.
 
2014-06-08 03:08:51 PM  
I have to agree: Dawkins can eat a dick on this issue.
 
2014-06-08 03:10:32 PM  

StrangeQ: kroonermanblack: StrangeQ: Eh, he has a point.

Was sitting at a coffee shop yesterday and a mother was sitting at the table next to mine discussing with her two young children a book they had read about Baba Yaga.  The kids were bored and disinterested, but at one point one of them that looked to be about 6 said almost as an aside "sometimes I don't believe in magic."  I wanted to lean over and say that was very wise of them, but it wasn't really my place.  But it made me think; if we're raising children on stories about magic and fairy tales, how does that affect their credulity later in life?

Seriously?

YASRSLY.

The argument of "we've done it this way for thousands of years, therefore it must be the best way" doesn't really carry much rational support.


My friend's 7 year old kid loves Disney movies, and fairy tales in general. You know what else she knows?

They aren't real.
 
2014-06-08 03:16:11 PM  

StrangeQ: kroonermanblack: StrangeQ: Eh, he has a point.

Was sitting at a coffee shop yesterday and a mother was sitting at the table next to mine discussing with her two young children a book they had read about Baba Yaga.  The kids were bored and disinterested, but at one point one of them that looked to be about 6 said almost as an aside "sometimes I don't believe in magic."  I wanted to lean over and say that was very wise of them, but it wasn't really my place.  But it made me think; if we're raising children on stories about magic and fairy tales, how does that affect their credulity later in life?

Seriously?

YASRSLY.

The argument of "we've done it this way for thousands of years, therefore it must be the best way" doesn't really carry much rational support.


I don't think that was his argument.

More along the lines of: Wait, so demonstrating that sometimes things we believe in are pure bunk, and that sometimes people we trust lie to us ... that's a bad thing? Or are you saying that raising children on fantasies and then destroying those fantasies somehow makes them more prone to accepting fantasies?

Either way, I, for one, am not seeing a connection.
 
2014-06-08 03:16:40 PM  
I blame Disney for my screwed up psyche. Living in a hellish household, parents physically duking it out in front of me (me 4-5 yo att) before they eventually divorced, and then the Wonderful World of Disney on TV, showing me what I assumed was how people are supposed to live, what with friendly, helpful dads (I imprinted on Fred MacMurry) and kids riding horses (Spin and Marty), lots of airplane adventures and Kurt Russell's early Disney pics, with the Southern California lifestyle, etc. Roy on the Mickey Mouse Club creeped me out, tho.

Unrealistic expectations inculcated in me by Disney led me to an empty life of scouting, camping, hiking, flying, foxhunting, diving, international travel and, oddly, pipe smoking.

I would have been better off in a Sid and Marty Krofft world....
 
2014-06-08 03:18:00 PM  

StrangeQ: Eh, he has a point.

Was sitting at a coffee shop yesterday and a mother was sitting at the table next to mine discussing with her two young children a book they had read about Baba Yaga.  The kids were bored and disinterested, but at one point one of them that looked to be about 6 said almost as an aside "sometimes I don't believe in magic."  I wanted to lean over and say that was very wise of them, but it wasn't really my place.  But it made me think; if we're raising children on stories about magic and fairy tales, how does that affect their credulity later in life?


Some kids grow out of that on their own, some never seem to.  It strikes me as likely that a parent or other adult indulging them past a certain point probably doesn't help, but I'm not going to be the guy that goes around telling kids there's no Santa and I think banning shiat is stupid and counter productive.  But, again, past a certain point (and I'm not claiming to know exactly where that point is) pretending that obviously unreal things are real isn't doing any kids any favors.
 
2014-06-08 03:20:30 PM  

grumpfuff: My friend's 7 year old kid loves Disney movies, and fairy tales in general. You know what else she knows?

They aren't real.


Heh. My friend's kid has been watching me and him shoot zombies since she was old enough to walk. She knows they're "make believe" as she was raised to understand this.

She also knows how to kill a zombie and will happily yell, "Shoot him in the face!" at you if you keep hitting one in the torso.

/she also still likes to dress up as a princess
 
2014-06-08 03:27:24 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: grumpfuff: My friend's 7 year old kid loves Disney movies, and fairy tales in general. You know what else she knows?

They aren't real.

Heh. My friend's kid has been watching me and him shoot zombies since she was old enough to walk. She knows they're "make believe" as she was raised to understand this.

She also knows how to kill a zombie and will happily yell, "Shoot him in the face!" at you if you keep hitting one in the torso.

/she also still likes to dress up as a princess


I'm curious how many of the people who agree with Dawkins also complain because kids aren't allowed to play Cops and Robbers or whatever anymore.
 
2014-06-08 03:28:34 PM  

mark12A: I blame Disney for my screwed up psyche. Living in a hellish household, parents physically duking it out in front of me (me 4-5 yo att) before they eventually divorced, and then the Wonderful World of Disney on TV, showing me what I assumed was how people are supposed to live, what with friendly, helpful dads (I imprinted on Fred MacMurry) and kids riding horses (Spin and Marty), lots of airplane adventures and Kurt Russell's early Disney pics, with the Southern California lifestyle, etc. Roy on the Mickey Mouse Club creeped me out, tho.

Unrealistic expectations inculcated in me by Disney led me to an empty life of scouting, camping, hiking, flying, foxhunting, diving, international travel and, oddly, pipe smoking.

I would have been better off in a Sid and Marty Krofft world....


Heh.  I have reading Tolkien to blame for my pipe smoking.
 
2014-06-08 03:43:58 PM  
Wow, how farking stupid. As much as I'm pro-science, kids need to be allowed to use their farking imagination... Jesus, without the feeling of wonder at the world around them, nobody would be interested in studying how that farking world works.

What an asshole, he might as well be picketing Harry Potter right next to the fundie jack-offs who annoy us every time they get a farking chance.
 
2014-06-08 03:46:53 PM  
i thought it was going to talk about how in disney movies one or both parents are often dead, and if the kid is being raised by one parent you can be damn well sure the other is dead, single parents and divorce does not exist apparantly.
 
2014-06-08 03:47:05 PM  

Mikey1969: fundie jack-offs


Dawkins is a fundie jack-off, just of the atheist variety. He is the embodiment of the straw man some religious types use to describe all atheists.
 
2014-06-08 04:09:27 PM  

StrangeQ: But it made me think; if we're raising children on stories about magic and fairy tales, how does that affect their credulity later in life?


Seriously, you do know that fairy tales didn't start with the generation after yours, right?

I don't believe in telling kids about Santa Claus though but that's outright lying to your kids, that's different than simply exposing them to fiction literature.

Felgraf: Weirdly, I'm drawing mental parallels between Dawkins and Deepak Chopra, for some reason.


He was gunned down in Vegas by a rival rapper. But he still puts out albums.
 
2014-06-08 04:20:23 PM  
Here is an example of Physiological dysfunction, or is it?
It seems schizoid, but it is also a powerful component of human psyche; which Cats use symbiotically.

Mr Dawkins fails to master the deeper aspects of this powerful whirligig of psychology that point towards the origins of intelligence, and the end result of that.[Cf; Flowers for Algernon]
He is correct to want to tightly regulate the use/misuse of these powerful influences.

Here is an example of what scares him, he would feel much as any reader would, and it scares the piss out of him; rather than excites him as in discovering a tool of unimaginable power.
To wit:
"""Calvin? Calvin, sweetheart?"
In the darkness Calvin heard the sound of Susie, his wife of fifty-three years. Calvin struggled to open his eyes. God, he was so tired and it took so much strength. Slowly, light replaced the darkness, and soon vision followed. At the foot of his bed stood his wife. Calvin wet his dry lips and spoke hoarsely, "Did... did you.... find him?"
"Yes dear," Susie said smiling sadly, "He was in the attic."
Susie reached into her big purse and brought out a soft, old, orange tiger doll. Calvin could not help but laugh. It had been so long. Too long.
"I washed him for you," Susie said, her voice cracking a little as she laid the stuffed tiger next to her husband.
"Thank you, Susie." Calvin said.
A few moments passed as Calvin just laid on his hospital bed, his head turned to the side, staring at the old toy with nostalgia.
"Dear," Calvin said finally. "Would you mind leaving me alone with Hobbes for a while? I would like to catch up with him."
"All right," Susie said. "I'll get something to eat in the cafeteria. I'll be back soon."
Susie kissed her huband on the forehead and turned to leave. With sudden but gentle strength Calvin stopped her. Lovingly he pulled his wife in and gave her a passionate kiss on the lips. "I love you," he said.
"And I love you," said Susie.
Susie turned and left. Calvin saw tears streaming from her face as she went out the door.
Calvin then turned to face his oldest and dearest friend. "Hello Hobbes. It's been a long time hasn't it old pal?"
Hobbes was no longer a stuffed doll but the big furry old tiger Calvin had always remembered. "It sure has, Calvin." said Hobbes.
"You... haven't changed a bit." Calvin smiled.
"You've changed a lot." Hobbes said sadly.
Calvin laughed, "Really? I haven't noticed at all."
There was a long pause. The sound of a clock ticking away the seconds rang throughout the sterile hospital room.
"So... you married Susie Derkins." Hobbes said, finally smiling. "I knew you always like her."
"Shut up!" Calvin said, his smile bigger than ever.
"Tell me everything I missed. I'd love to hear what you've been up to!" Hobbes said, excited.
And so Calvin told him everything. He told him about how he and Susie fell in love in high school and had married after graduating from college, about his three kids and four grandkids, how he turned Spaceman Spiff into one of the most popular sci-fi novels of the decade, and so on. After he told Hobbes all this there was another pregnant pause.
"You know... I visited you in the attic a bunch of times." Calvin said.
"I know."
"But I couldn't see you. All I saw was a stuffed animal." Calvin voice was breaking and tears of regret started welling up in his eyes.
"You grew up old buddy." said Hobbes.
Calvin broke down and sobbed, hugging his best friend. "I'm so sorry! I'm so sorry I broke my promise! I promised I wouldn't grow up and that we'd be together forever!!"
Hobbes stroke the Calvin's hair, or what little was left of it. "But you didn't."
"What do you mean?"
"We were always together... in our dreams."
"We were?"
"We were."
"Hobbes?"
"Yeah, old buddy?"
"I'm so glad I got to see you like this... one last time..."
"Me too, Calvin. Me too."
"Sweetheart?" Susie voice came from outside the door.
"Yes dear?" Calvin replied.
"Can I come in?" Susie asked.
"Just a minute."
Calvin turned to face Hobbes one last time. "Goodbye Hobbes. Thanks... for everything..."
"No, thank you Calvin." Hobbes said.
Calvin turned back to the door and said, "You can come in now."
Susie came in and said, "Look who's come to visit you."
Calvin's children and grandchildren followed Susie into Calvin's room. The youngest grandchild ran past the rest of them and hugged Calvin in a hard, excited hug. "Grandpa!!" screamed the child in delight.
"Francis!" cried Calvin's daughter, "Be gentle with your grandfather."
Calvin's daughter turned to her dad. "I'm sorry, Daddy. Francis never seems to behave these days. He just runs around making a mess and coming up with strange stories."
Calvin laughed and said, "Well now! That sound just like me when I was his age."
Calvin and his family chatted some more until a nurse said, "Sorry, but visiting hours are almost up."
Calvin's beloved family said good bye and promised to visit tommorrow. As they turned to leave Calvin said, "Francis. Come here for a second."
Francis came over to his grandfather's side, "What is it Gramps?"
Calvin reached over to the stuffed tiger on his bedside and and held him out shakily to his grandson, who looked exactly as he did so many years ago. "This is Hobbes. He was my best friend when I was your age. I want you to have him."
"He's just a stuffed tiger." Francis said, eyebrows raised.
Calvin laughed, "Well, let me tell you a secret."
Francis leaned closer to Clavin. Calvin whispered, "If you catch him in a tiger trap using a tuna sandwich as bait he will turn into a real tiger."
Francis gasped in delighted awe. Calvin continued, "Not only that he will be your best friend forever."
"Wow! Thanks grandpa!" Francis said, hugging his grandpa tightly again.
"Francis! We need to go now!" Calvin's daughter called.
"Okay!" Francis shouted back.
"Take good care of him." Calvin said.
"I will." Francis said before running off after the rest of the family.
Calvin laid on his back and stared at the ceiling. The time to go was close. He could feel it in his soul. Calvin tried to remember a quote he read in a book once. It said something about death being the next great adventure or something like that. He eyelids grew heavy and his breathing slowed. As he went deeper into his final sleep he heard Hobbes, as if he was right next to him at his bedside. "I'll take care of him, Calvin..."
Calvin took his first step toward one more adventure and breathed his last with a grin on his face. ""

I am impressed with those words... there is contained in them some hints of built in mind programs of mighty power.... Something Cats have used for millenia, and Humans only dimly aware of.
 
2014-06-08 04:21:40 PM  

StrangeQ: kroonermanblack: StrangeQ: Eh, he has a point.

Was sitting at a coffee shop yesterday and a mother was sitting at the table next to mine discussing with her two young children a book they had read about Baba Yaga.  The kids were bored and disinterested, but at one point one of them that looked to be about 6 said almost as an aside "sometimes I don't believe in magic."  I wanted to lean over and say that was very wise of them, but it wasn't really my place.  But it made me think; if we're raising children on stories about magic and fairy tales, how does that affect their credulity later in life?

Seriously?

YASRSLY.

The argument of "we've done it this way for thousands of years, therefore it must be the best way" doesn't really carry much rational support.


I don't see the danger in letting kids believe in magic, or, even as an extension, that having them grow up with religion is a bad thing

Believing in things that can't be proven isn't in and of itself dangerous or bad.  It's only bad if they turn fundie and start actively disbelieving things where there is actual scientific proof.  Religion and science can coexist in harmony, and do in many people.
 
2014-06-08 04:22:48 PM  
I would have thought that Fairy Tales and Santa et al would have helped Dawkins cause out.

They teach children to think critically about things their elders tell them.  If they can come round the the way of thinking that fairies aren't real and magic doesn't exist and that Santa is really their parents, then what will they start thinking about the things that they are told in church on a Sunday?

"Yes son, we know that Santa and the Easter Bunny aren't real, but the Jesus guy with the water to wine is all real, that one we weren't making up"
"Sure Mum and Dad, whatever you say"

/for the purposes of disclosure I am an atheist
//small "a", can't abide these Atheist groups and organisations who get up in everyone's face
///I don't need a support group to advise me on how not to collect stamps, I've managed to not collect stamps since birth without any help
////Dawkins can eat a dick.
 
2014-06-08 04:27:10 PM  
I can't believe that Douglas Adams was friends with this douche-bag.
 
2014-06-08 04:27:14 PM  
One of the best parts of childhood is make-believe in things you later know can't possibly be real. We already do so much to kids these days, it would be a shame to lose that, too.
 
2014-06-08 04:32:07 PM  
Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy... all bunk. Same with elves and leprechauns.

download.minitokyo.net
BUT, Season Fairies are REAL, dammit!!

/and Belldandy
//WAFFO!
 
2014-06-08 04:33:40 PM  

grumpfuff: Mikey1969: fundie jack-offs

Dawkins is a fundie jack-off, just of the atheist variety. He is the embodiment of the straw man some religious types use to describe all atheists.


Wow! thats a juxtaposition i havn't seen before.
 He is an example of a medium grade intellect who got some education, and really is baffled by the complexities of Simple Reality.

 If he had the courage to use [gamble] Faith in an intellectual, then actual endeavour, then he would have a shot at increasing his intellectual capacity, and net happiness with life [profit]

 Nevertheless, many people respect his thoughts and these incomplete, misunderstood statements he makes can be used as leverage to get people thinking....
 and that is the beginning of education and true civilisation. {cf; Foundation series by Asimov}
 
2014-06-08 04:42:47 PM  

JSTACAT: grumpfuff: Mikey1969: fundie jack-offs

Dawkins is a fundie jack-off, just of the atheist variety. He is the embodiment of the straw man some religious types use to describe all atheists.

Wow! thats a juxtaposition i havn't seen before.
 He is an example of a medium grade intellect who got some education, and really is baffled by the complexities of Simple Reality.

 If he had the courage to use [gamble] Faith in an intellectual, then actual endeavour, then he would have a shot at increasing his intellectual capacity, and net happiness with life [profit]

 Nevertheless, many people respect his thoughts and these incomplete, misunderstood statements he makes can be used as leverage to get people thinking....
 and that is the beginning of education and true civilisation. {cf; Foundation series by Asimov}



That's some creative use of brackets there.

I just think the guy's kind of obnoxious douche. That has nothing to do with his religious (or lack thereof) beliefs. The other atheist guy, the dead guy who had to drink scotch during his interviews to look cool didn't help the "atheists aren't as assholish as religious people" argument.
 
2014-06-08 04:49:31 PM  

JSTACAT: grumpfuff: Mikey1969: fundie jack-offs

Dawkins is a fundie jack-off, just of the atheist variety. He is the embodiment of the straw man some religious types use to describe all atheists.

Wow! thats a juxtaposition i havn't seen before.
 He is an example of a medium grade intellect who got some education, and really is baffled by the complexities of Simple Reality.

 If he had the courage to use [gamble] Faith in an intellectual, then actual endeavour, then he would have a shot at increasing his intellectual capacity, and net happiness with life [profit]

 Nevertheless, many people respect his thoughts and these incomplete, misunderstood statements he makes can be used as leverage to get people thinking....
 and that is the beginning of education and true civilisation. {cf; Foundation series by Asimov}


I'm really not to sure what you're trying to say here. I can say that Dawkins has more in common with the average angry teenage atheist than he does with the average rational adult atheist.
 
2014-06-08 04:54:31 PM  

Mugato: JSTACAT: grumpfuff: Mikey1969: fundie jack-offs

Dawkins is a fundie jack-off, just of the atheist variety. He is the embodiment of the straw man some religious types use to describe all atheists.

Wow! thats a juxtaposition i havn't seen before.
 He is an example of a medium grade intellect who got some education, and really is baffled by the complexities of Simple Reality.

 If he had the courage to use [gamble] Faith in an intellectual, then actual endeavour, then he would have a shot at increasing his intellectual capacity, and net happiness with life [profit]

 Nevertheless, many people respect his thoughts and these incomplete, misunderstood statements he makes can be used as leverage to get people thinking....
 and that is the beginning of education and true civilisation. {cf; Foundation series by Asimov}


That's some creative use of brackets there.

I just think the guy's kind of obnoxious douche. That has nothing to do with his religious (or lack thereof) beliefs. The other atheist guy, the dead guy who had to drink scotch during his interviews to look cool didn't help the "atheists aren't as assholish as religious people" argument.


You risk falling into the same trap he does.
 His case is an interesting psychological study with important ramifications; since most of the world's leaders and followers are subject, more or less to that very same syndrome.

We should coin it as the "Dawkins Syndrome"; it is critical o the survival of human civilisation that we understand it and cure the defect, rather than trash the sufferers of this particular wide spread malaise.

 That syndrome, if not solved correctly, could be the difference between a species dead ending quickly or Not...
 
2014-06-08 04:55:46 PM  

JSTACAT: Mugato: JSTACAT: grumpfuff: Mikey1969: fundie jack-offs

Dawkins is a fundie jack-off, just of the atheist variety. He is the embodiment of the straw man some religious types use to describe all atheists.

Wow! thats a juxtaposition i havn't seen before.
 He is an example of a medium grade intellect who got some education, and really is baffled by the complexities of Simple Reality.

 If he had the courage to use [gamble] Faith in an intellectual, then actual endeavour, then he would have a shot at increasing his intellectual capacity, and net happiness with life [profit]

 Nevertheless, many people respect his thoughts and these incomplete, misunderstood statements he makes can be used as leverage to get people thinking....
 and that is the beginning of education and true civilisation. {cf; Foundation series by Asimov}


That's some creative use of brackets there.

I just think the guy's kind of obnoxious douche. That has nothing to do with his religious (or lack thereof) beliefs. The other atheist guy, the dead guy who had to drink scotch during his interviews to look cool didn't help the "atheists aren't as assholish as religious people" argument.

You risk falling into the same trap he does.
 His case is an interesting psychological study with important ramifications; since most of the world's leaders and followers are subject, more or less to that very same syndrome.

We should coin it as the "Dawkins Syndrome"; it is critical o the survival of human civilisation that we understand it and cure the defect, rather than trash the sufferers of this particular wide spread malaise.

 That syndrome, if not solved correctly, could be the difference between a species dead ending quickly or Not...


wtfamireading.jpg
 
2014-06-08 05:02:10 PM  

grumpfuff: JSTACAT: Mugato: JSTACAT: grumpfuff: Mikey1969: fundie jack-offs  That syndrome, if not solved correctly, could be the difference between a species dead ending quickly or Not...

wtfamireading.jpg

More to the point...
img.fark.net

 
2014-06-08 05:08:00 PM  
Wow, I've just heard of him but Richard Dawkins... why are you such an autistic joykiller? Anyway I assumed this thread would be about getting rid of Disney for being an organized child molester company:

http://disneykicksass.com/2011/05/27/are-there-really-penises-and-bo ne rs-in-the-little-mermaid/
 
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