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2014-06-08 08:46:53 AM
Speaking of inconvenient facts, here's two:
Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd and Al Gore Jr.
 
2014-06-08 08:50:38 AM

Loose_Cannon: Speaking of inconvenient facts, here's two:
Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd and Al Gore Jr.


I don't understand your point. Do you have a point? Or are you actually comparing people you don't like (and surely have never met) with actual ideas and concepts?
 
2014-06-08 08:51:43 AM
The religious right started when Urt didn't offer some wooly mammoth meat to honor the rock that kinda looked like a person, and Gorr hit him with a yak bone.
 
2014-06-08 08:59:56 AM
History doesn't matter so much as the favorable narrative of "tradition" for social conservatives. It's not what we did, but what we'd like to think we did when recalling how great the world seemed when we were children, before we had a personal grasp of it.
 
2014-06-08 09:53:28 AM

Confabulat: Loose_Cannon: Speaking of inconvenient facts, here's two:
Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd and Al Gore Jr.

I don't understand your point. Do you have a point? Or are you actually comparing people you don't like (and surely have never met) with actual ideas and concepts?


Wow, you don't understand his point?  He practically smacked you in the face with it.

His point, as should be obvious to all, is that liberals will gladly and proudly associate themselves with KKK member if it will provide them with an ounce of political power more than they had prior to the association.  And not just a Klan member, but a former Klan leader.  And not just associating with him, but making him part of the Democrat Senate leadership and fawning all over him at every opportunity for 30 years.

In the Olympics of hypocrisy, that's winning gold medals in multiple events.
 
2014-06-08 09:59:33 AM

SunsetLament: Confabulat: Loose_Cannon: Speaking of inconvenient facts, here's two:
Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd and Al Gore Jr.

I don't understand your point. Do you have a point? Or are you actually comparing people you don't like (and surely have never met) with actual ideas and concepts?

Wow, you don't understand his point?  He practically smacked you in the face with it.

His point, as should be obvious to all, is that liberals will gladly and proudly associate themselves with KKK member if it will provide them with an ounce of political power more than they had prior to the association.  And not just a Klan member, but a former Klan leader.  And not just associating with him, but making him part of the Democrat Senate leadership and fawning all over him at every opportunity for 30 years.

In the Olympics of hypocrisy, that's winning gold medals in multiple events.


Well, Robert Byrd did remain a Democrat. What did the Democrats of the southern states become after 1967? Oh yeah, Republicans.
 
2014-06-08 10:02:43 AM

SunsetLament: Confabulat: Loose_Cannon: Speaking of inconvenient facts, here's two:
Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd and Al Gore Jr.

I don't understand your point. Do you have a point? Or are you actually comparing people you don't like (and surely have never met) with actual ideas and concepts?

Wow, you don't understand his point?  He practically smacked you in the face with it.

His point, as should be obvious to all, is that liberals will gladly and proudly associate themselves with KKK member if it will provide them with an ounce of political power more than they had prior to the association.  And not just a Klan member, but a former Klan leader.  And not just associating with him, but making him part of the Democrat Senate leadership and fawning all over him at every opportunity for 30 years.

In the Olympics of hypocrisy, that's winning gold medals in multiple events.


Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.
 
2014-06-08 10:03:03 AM

SunsetLament: Confabulat: Loose_Cannon: Speaking of inconvenient facts, here's two:
Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd and Al Gore Jr.

I don't understand your point. Do you have a point? Or are you actually comparing people you don't like (and surely have never met) with actual ideas and concepts?

Wow, you don't understand his point?  He practically smacked you in the face with it.

His point, as should be obvious to all, is that liberals will gladly and proudly associate themselves with KKK member if it will provide them with an ounce of political power more than they had prior to the association.  And not just a Klan member, but a former Klan leader.  And not just associating with him, but making him part of the Democrat Senate leadership and fawning all over him at every opportunity for 30 years.

In the Olympics of hypocrisy, that's winning gold medals in multiple events.


Robert Byrd? Quick, better throw out a Jane Fonda reference to maintain that timely and relevant commentary.
 
2014-06-08 10:03:44 AM
Republicans are just dumber than regular people, that's all.
 
2014-06-08 10:14:55 AM

Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.


TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.
 
2014-06-08 10:16:48 AM

SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.


Yes. Liberals idolized Robert Byrd. He was their Ronald Reagan. Sure. That actually happened. Keep telling yourself that.
 
2014-06-08 10:23:39 AM

SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.


Who the fark idolized Robert Byrd? And have we kicked this straw man's ass yet?
 
2014-06-08 11:01:13 AM

kronicfeld: SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.

Yes. Liberals idolized Robert Byrd. He was their Ronald Reagan. Sure. That actually happened. Keep telling yourself that.


While I certainly didn't idolize him, I did admire that he had the courage to re-examine his core beliefs and admit he was completely wrong, then spent the rest of his life trying to make amends for his profound error in judgment.

It takes serious balls and conviction to make that kind of turnaround, especially when your career is in the public sphere.
 
2014-06-08 11:03:55 AM

SunsetLament: we liberals


This word still confuses me.  It makes me think of butter.  "Use a liberal amount of butter" says Paula Deen.
 
2014-06-08 11:06:16 AM
I would rather wallow in what baldy "We're doing it live!" uses as a Faux-insult: "Secular progressive".  Both of those words are positive qualities.  The fact that he tries to use them as an insult just fossilizes him.
 
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2014-06-08 11:13:59 AM

gilgigamesh: kronicfeld: SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.

Yes. Liberals idolized Robert Byrd. He was their Ronald Reagan. Sure. That actually happened. Keep telling yourself that.

While I certainly didn't idolize him, I did admire that he had the courage to re-examine his core beliefs and admit he was completely wrong, then spent the rest of his life trying to make amends for his profound error in judgment.

It takes serious balls and conviction to make that kind of turnaround, especially when your career is in the public sphere.


It's too bad SunsetLament will never have those necessary cajones.
 
2014-06-08 11:30:44 AM

SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.


I didn't even know who Robert Byrd was until he was about to die. I don't live in his state. I don't worship politicians. Do you? Do you have a photo of Saint Ronnie over your bed?

See, Republicans can't even talk like grown-ups.
 
2014-06-08 11:32:59 AM
I always enjoy listening to a right-winger try to explain how a liberal thinks, though.  It's quite cartoony and hilarious, and usually a good reflection of the thinker's own mind.
 
2014-06-08 11:34:55 AM

SunsetLament: And not just a Klan member, but a former Klan leader.  And not just associating with him, but making him part of the Democrat Senate leadership and fawning all over him at every opportunity for 30 years


You forgot to mention that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.
 
2014-06-08 11:35:22 AM
And of course, if Robert Byrd had a little (R) after his name, SunsetLament would defend him to his dying breath.
 
2014-06-08 11:36:57 AM

Confabulat: SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.

I didn't even know who Robert Byrd was until he was about to die. I don't live in his state. I don't worship politicians. Do you? Do you have a photo of Saint Ronnie over your bed?

See, Republicans can't even talk like grown-ups.


As someone whose in-laws come from West Virginia, I can assure you that you're getting a racist senator from West Virginia. I don't care what his party affiliation is.
 
2014-06-08 11:41:39 AM

Confabulat: I always enjoy listening to a right-winger try to explain how a liberal thinks, though.  It's quite cartoony and hilarious, and usually a good reflection of the thinker's own mind.


Or lack thereof
 
2014-06-08 11:53:07 AM
One fact conservatives embrace:

Facts don't matter.
 
MFK
2014-06-08 11:53:53 AM

gilgigamesh: kronicfeld: SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.

Yes. Liberals idolized Robert Byrd. He was their Ronald Reagan. Sure. That actually happened. Keep telling yourself that.

While I certainly didn't idolize him, I did admire that he had the courage to re-examine his core beliefs and admit he was completely wrong, then spent the rest of his life trying to make amends for his profound error in judgment.

It takes serious balls and conviction to make that kind of turnaround, especially when your career is in the public sphere.


I really don't understand this type of argument. "sure, a ton of our guys are outright racists but this one guy on your side who died years ago was racist at one point in his life too and therefore you can't judge us!"
 
2014-06-08 11:53:58 AM
Sounds like the libs are the REAL racists.
 
2014-06-08 11:56:00 AM

Confabulat: Loose_Cannon: Speaking of inconvenient facts, here's two:
Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd and Al Gore Jr.

I don't understand your point. Do you have a point? Or are you actually comparing people you don't like (and surely have never met) with actual ideas and concepts?


BOOTSTRAPS, LIBTARD!  FREEDOMAMERICA!!!!!

/chessmate
//quite a "different opinion" he's got there
 
2014-06-08 11:56:16 AM

Confabulat: Republicans are just dumber than regular people, that's allevil treasonous thugs.


ftfy
 
2014-06-08 11:56:21 AM
Originally, conservatives were indifferent to outright supportive of [Common Core]-many Republican governors considered themselves fans-and pretty much all the criticism came from people on the left, who were concerned that it would be used as cover for attacks on teacher's unions and would favor "teach the test"-style memorization over actual education.

If you're fur it, we're aggin' it.
 
2014-06-08 11:56:33 AM
How is it that "passing tax cuts while starting two wars and instituting a major healthcare mandate then not caring about the resulting deficit/debt until they were out of power" didn't make the list?
 
2014-06-08 11:57:05 AM
Distraction accomplished.
 
2014-06-08 11:57:35 AM

Confabulat: I always enjoy listening to a right-winger try to explain how a liberal thinks, though.  It's quite cartoony and hilarious, and usually a good reflection of the thinker's own mind.


You should see their sketches of Jews.
 
2014-06-08 11:58:45 AM

SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.


Liberals idolized Byrd?

I learn so much about my own beliefs by reading teabagger comments.

Thanks for keeping me infromed, SL!!
 
2014-06-08 11:59:04 AM
There's only four facts they ignore?
 
2014-06-08 11:59:39 AM

Loose_Cannon: Speaking of inconvenient facts, here's two:
Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd and Al Gore Jr.


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2014-06-08 12:01:21 PM
That's a lot if random left-wing butthurt right there. Was the author feeling bad about herself?
 
2014-06-08 12:01:28 PM

Loose_Cannon: Speaking of inconvenient facts, here's two:
Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd and Al Gore Jr.


Did you mean Al Gore Sr., by any chance?
 
2014-06-08 12:03:28 PM

Cletus C.: That's a lot if random left-wing butthurt right there. Was the author feeling bad about herself?


I agree it was kind of a pointless article. Not incorrect, but pointless. Very lash-outy.
 
2014-06-08 12:03:37 PM

Lionel Mandrake: SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.

Liberals idolized Byrd?

I learn so much about my own beliefs by reading teabagger comments.

Thanks for keeping me infromed, SL!!

 
2014-06-08 12:04:58 PM
oops...sorry for the repeat posting.  Feel free to delete, mods.
 
2014-06-08 12:05:08 PM

kronicfeld: Cletus C.: That's a lot if random left-wing butthurt right there. Was the author feeling bad about herself?

I agree it was kind of a pointless article. Not incorrect, but pointless. Very lash-outy.


Imagine if a news organization dedicated themselves to lashing out at, literally, everything the president did without any regard for the truth.
 
2014-06-08 12:07:05 PM
Only four? Or did subby accidently drop another word after 'four,' like million or billion?
 
2014-06-08 12:07:21 PM

kronicfeld: Cletus C.: That's a lot if random left-wing butthurt right there. Was the author feeling bad about herself?

I agree it was kind of a pointless article. Not incorrect, but pointless. Very lash-outy.


I think people are just clearing their pipes for this fall.
 
2014-06-08 12:08:28 PM
The religious right started because of segregation, not abortion.


Well you could go back just a little farther and point out that the Southern Baptists were formed because Southerns wanted to keep slaves and be ordained.

But anyways  Fred Clark over at Patheos makes a good case that not only did the religious right change their teaching on abortion that within a few years they will change it again and be crusading against all form of birth contorl
 
2014-06-08 12:11:43 PM

Lionel Mandrake: SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.

Liberals idolized Byrd?

I learn so much about my own beliefs by reading teabagger comments.

Thanks for keeping me infromed, SL!!


I give his memory props for realizing he had acted like a dickbag in the past, and A) owning up to it and B) Trying to make amends.

Don't know if that's idolizing. He wouldn't make as statue in the Garden of Awesome. Maybe mentioned on a plaque.
 
2014-06-08 12:12:11 PM
#2 and #4 are simply things changing due to evidence of it being a bad idea coming forth. The NRA stopped supporting gun control when they realized it was a bad idea. The Republicans who swapped on common core did so when they realized it was a bad idea. I'm going to guess since it's Salon #1 is just poor research as well. It was funny to see them call an old racist authoritarian like LBJ a liberal.
 
2014-06-08 12:14:42 PM
FTFA: "Back then, both parties had a mix of liberals and conservatives, and since then, the parties have realigned, with all the conservatives-who voted against the CRA [Civil Rights Act]-stampeding to the Republican party and all the liberals-who voted for the CRA-running to the Democrats."

I find it crazy that party lines were redrawn over giving equality to all US citizens.  It's like an extension of the Civil War, but along political boundaries rather than geographical.  And now, look at the damage it's done to our country with each side having its own single-minded agenda and clawing for power.  We need a viable third party, but it's highly doubtful we'll see one unless something really bad happens.
 
2014-06-08 12:15:12 PM

Summercat: Lionel Mandrake: SunsetLament: Confabulat: Ha, if I'm looking for moral superiority, I'm sure as hell not going to look at a Republican. And only a damn fool thinks one party is "morally superior" than the other. You'd have to be as feeble as a Republican to believe nonsense like that.

TRANSLATION: It's perfectly okay that we liberals idolized Robert Byrd for decades because ... Republicans bad.

Liberals idolized Byrd?

I learn so much about my own beliefs by reading teabagger comments.

Thanks for keeping me infromed, SL!!

I give his memory props for realizing he had acted like a dickbag in the past, and A) owning up to it and B) Trying to make amends.

Don't know if that's idolizing. He wouldn't make as statue in the Garden of Awesome. Maybe mentioned on a plaque.


He admitted his mistake. No wonder the right hates him. He did something they are incapable of doing.
 
2014-06-08 12:15:23 PM

spongeboob: The religious right started because of segregation, not abortion.


Well you could go back just a little farther and point out that the Southern Baptists were formed because Southerns wanted to keep slaves and be ordained.

But anyways  Fred Clark over at Patheos makes a good case that not only did the religious right change their teaching on abortion that within a few years they will change it again and be crusading against all form of birth contorl


Well, they already are, kind of. Although it's worth remembering that lots of people were against birth control back in the day - recall that the Griswold case (which established the "right to privacy" that would later be cited in Roe v Wade) struck down a law in Connecticut - hardly the Bible Belt.
 
2014-06-08 12:16:58 PM

Mugato: SunsetLament: And not just a Klan member, but a former Klan leader.  And not just associating with him, but making him part of the Democrat Senate leadership and fawning all over him at every opportunity for 30 years
You forgot to mention that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.


When I want to talk politics, I want to go back at least 50 years. 100 is even better. It keeps everybody on their toes.
 
2014-06-08 12:17:43 PM

Mrbogey: The Republicans who swapped on common core did so when they realized it was a bad idea.


They better not be thinking about running Jeb Bush then. It was one of his lasting legacies as Governor of Florida and he remains a firm supporter of it today.
 
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