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(Daily Mail)   The student who pepper sprayed and tackled the Seattle university shooter putting a end to his rampage has his Target and Crate and Barrel wedding registries completely fulfilled and his honeymoon paid for by grateful strangers on the internet   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 52
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2014-06-07 11:08:34 PM  
8 votes:
This seems to be the part of the story that people are skipping:

He was reloading his shotgun when Meis, a volunteer security guard, saw an opening.

This is why "military style rifles" and high-capacity magazines and drums are different from normal hunting weapons. A guy who has to stop after 5 or 6 shots to reload one shell at a time is not as dangerous as a guy who can fire 30 rounds and then slap a new magazine in as he looks for more targets.

Assuming you're not out to mass murder people to get on the news, the only reason you need to carry an AR-15 into Target is because you have a small penis and/or some idea that if the government really WAS after you that you could somehow shoot your way out in a blaze of gunfire without hitting a single innocent bystander.
2014-06-07 09:46:30 PM  
5 votes:
ITT: Somebody's REALLY pissed a gun nut was taken down without a hail of bullets.
2014-06-07 09:02:39 PM  
5 votes:

trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.


Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.
2014-06-07 08:35:51 PM  
5 votes:
Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get. I would not be surprised that the next spree killer was taken down by someone using a baseball bat or a hockey stick. People have gone from being fearful of spree killers to tired of them and now they are angry. And, yes, I know the deputy was doing his job but he could have waited for back-up. Instead, he went, "Screw it. You are not getting in."
2014-06-08 12:19:51 AM  
4 votes:
All you people who wonder while hi capacity clips need to be banned, this is why. Because the formaly responisible gun owner™ was taken down while trying to reload. You think that would have happened if he was using one of those assualt style 30 round clips? Not near as likely, and would have been a lot more people dead. Or those giant round 100 bullet clips all the Rambo wanna-bes cream their camo pants over? The gunman could have taken out the entire school with one of those.

The only people who need that many bullets are soldiers. Not even regular police need them. They should be taking careful aimed shots anyway. Having almost a whole box of ammo in your clip just encourages them to should wildly and hit bystanders, and those are highly trained cops.

What do 'normal' people need that many bullets in a gun for? Hunting? If you can't hit your target by the follow up shot, you shouldn't be hunting. Target shooting? Isn't the purpose of target shooting to focus on the fundidmentals and get better? You're not on a time limit, so who cares if you have to reload every few shots. You don't like reloading, buy a few more clips. Focus on shooting properly and not throwing bullets down range. Most responsible gun owners™ need more time doing this anyway.

Competition shooting? So, change the format. Instead of shooting at 10 targets, just shoot at 5 sets of two. You can even incorporate clip changes into the competition to see who is better at it. Personal protection? How often are you going to be attacked by a squad sized element of gunmen? Usually it is just one person. Maybe two.

So what do you need 20 bullets in your Glock for? I'm not gonna make the argument that drawing a gun is more likely to get you killed when all the person wants is your wallet, and that no amount of money is worth a person's life. Even the small time thug robbing you because of social enequality. You all know this already. But in a true life and death situation (if you are too impatient to hide and wait for the cops whose job it is to protect you) you wouldn't need more than two bullets. If you know that your ammo supply is limited, you'll take the extra half second to make an aimed shot, and not hit an innocent bystander. You'd also make damn sure of the target/ Maybe due to lack of training and high stress, you might need an extra few rounds.

That's why all clips should have no more than 5 rounds. And it should be a law that you can only have one clip on you. You don't need that shoulder holster that carries 4 spare clips. You're not in a warzone, chief.
I have no problem with people using guns in a safe manner for sport or hunting. But think of how many lives could be spared for what would only be a minor inconvience on a few people's occasional day. Is a school full of dead children really worth it so you don't have to take 3 seconds to change clips while you're shooting at empty beer bottles?

I didn't think so.
2014-06-07 09:20:39 PM  
4 votes:

trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises


Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.
2014-06-07 10:44:00 PM  
3 votes:
I'd like to think I'd react like this guy did, given the situation, but I'd also like to never see my preferences tested.

(Gun-owner, grew up with a military dad, well versed in the use of firearms, and the limitations of firearms)

I know I'd be more prone to act with a non-lethal weapon than with a firearm, because you only have control of a bullet until it leaves the barrel. That being said, the kid thought fast, waited for an opening and saved a lot of lives. Good on him, May he have a long and happy life, and listen to his wife tell his great-grandkids about how ole pop-pop is an honest-to-God Hero.
2014-06-07 09:01:46 PM  
3 votes:
It would also be nice if some money went to the family who lost their child to help cover the thousands of dollars in funeral costs. While not begrudging this kid one cent, I wish that was part of this, too.
2014-06-07 08:59:33 PM  
3 votes:

fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.


So, you're just going to repeatedly stamp your feet and cry "MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS!" like some kind of fool? Adorable.
2014-06-07 08:46:36 PM  
3 votes:
And the dude looks like a skinny nerd.

Where were all the jocks?  Pissing their pants, I'll wager.

Mr. Meis, you rock.

That's an interesting getup that they've got Ybarra in.  I thought disposable Tyvek construction overalls were all the rage this year for prison transport, but looks like this guy got the deluxe "we can't trust you to put your own pants on, so we're going to wrap you in a velcro-laced carpet pad and call it good" treatment

(also, who was the editor who felt the need to repeat their ages every time their names were mentioned?)
2014-06-07 10:50:18 PM  
2 votes:

trevzie: Great_Milenko: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises

Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.

The point is that all those people hiding under desks don't have concealed carries and that is why shootings often have so many casualties before the cops can show up. If there were 10 concealed carries this shooting would have ended how it did, early.

Just because this one happened to end with mace doesn't mean it is a likely resolution.

Number of mass shootings stopped with mace: 1

Number of mass shootings stopped with guns or threat of guns: every single other one

Number of mass shootings stopped by gun nuts with assault weapons strapped to their back while they're eating a burrito?

One if I had my way


And that's why people don't trust you and your ilk.  You're itching to legally murder somebody.  Pathetic.
2014-06-07 10:00:03 PM  
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Ybarra is on suicide watch in jail
On Friday his lawyer said he was sorry for what he did


Hmm....sorry for what you did? I'm thinking you're sorry you didn't kill more before someone owned your punk coward ass. And please, ask the guards not to watch you too closely on the "suicide watch", do the world a favor and exit it now.

/Thanks, the World.


I'm usually of the opinion that a suicide watch should do just that.

Watch.  Note the absence of the words "prevent" or "interfere".

So that it can be precisely recorded what time the person of interest saved the State the expense and media circus of a high profile trial.
2014-06-07 09:24:17 PM  
2 votes:

UsikFark: Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.


The gun nuts can't masturbate to mace stories.
2014-06-07 09:23:58 PM  
2 votes:

Pokey.Clyde: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

Plenty of people do, numbnuts. Just because nobody will touch your "special area", doesn't mean everyone else has that same problem.


I was mainly referring to people who don't subscribe to a repressive religious dogma that severely restricts their sexual freedom until they've entered into a life-altering legal contract and paid out the asshole for a giant, lavish ceremony with all their friends and family.

On the other hand, if you're a desperately horny 18-22 year old who simply isn't permitted to have any "special area" contact until you've blown $25,000 just to parade your Special Friend out in front of everyone you've ever known and entered into a legal contract that (depending on the state, etc.) could easily result in you losing half your shiat if you ever stuck your dick in *anyone* else, I can half understand how you could be driven to such foolish decisions.
2014-06-07 09:10:51 PM  
2 votes:

Jae0o0: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married at 19, husband was 21. Made it 11 years so far. We wernt badasses killer stoppers though.


Good on ya...keep it up. I got married at 22...she was 21. We're still friends, lovers and business partners 40 years later.
2014-06-07 09:04:11 PM  
2 votes:

Mentalpatient87: So, you're just going to repeatedly stamp your feet and cry "MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS!" like some kind of fool? Adorable.


Actually.

It's questioning what is the cause of violence in our society? The proliferation of guns, or the fact you cannot find a single piece of modern american media where murdering someone is an acceptable way of solving a minor disagreement.

It's a questioning of zero tolerance, and the effect of calling an armed gang who throw flash bangs in infants faces as good, heroic people.

Every time there is an act of mass violence, people complain bitterly about how someone else should DO SOMETHING!

Well what is the something they invariably come up with? Violating the rights of citizens who have done nothing wrong, and unbridled violence.

/It's funny how murderous the party of peace is.
2014-06-07 08:56:24 PM  
2 votes:

fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.


Many high schools and colleges have archery teams. I can see a situation where a spree killer attacks on the day an archery team practice was happening and the team fought back.
2014-06-07 08:45:54 PM  
2 votes:
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with pepper spray
2014-06-07 08:30:23 PM  
2 votes:
In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)
2014-06-07 06:33:23 PM  
2 votes:
Here's to you, Big Baller.  May your wife always be understanding and enthusiastic...
2014-06-07 06:20:47 PM  
2 votes:
That's all kinds of awesome.
2014-06-08 11:46:24 AM  
1 votes:

Secret Master of All Flatulence: mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get.


Um, hate to point this out, but it's not a new thing.  In fact, several shootings have been stopped by people going to their vehicles and retrieving their personal sidearms, and then using them to take down the shooter.  Some involved staff, some involved, (oh, how terrible!) STUDENTS who had guns legally in their vehicles.


not only are school shootings not a new thing, they are generally decreasing in frequency.

/no matter how many times news people tell you school shootings are new, an american thing, or that columbine or sandy hook were the largest school massacres, just think that sandy hook was only in third place and columbine fifth. in the united states. the biggest here was in 1927. go worldwide and only one of those two american shootings even makes the top ten list.

//but, i am sure someone on fark will argue that they only happen here, now, and we need to ban something because of it.
2014-06-08 11:26:57 AM  
1 votes:

Secret Master of All Flatulence: /If you trust your kid to a teacher, why wouldn't you trust the teacher with a gun???


Is this a trick question, or just a really, really stupid one? Dang.

Phew.
2014-06-08 10:11:48 AM  
1 votes:

Ivan the Tolerable: profplump: I'm relatively confident that giving dumb, scared people guns isn't a reliable way to reduce the amount of gun injuries.

i might start to agree with you the day they start giving IQ tests to prospective police candidates.


Oh, they do... It's just they use it to kick out the ones who score too high!
2014-06-08 08:19:05 AM  
1 votes:
his friends said, with his wedding just a fortnight away

 No they didn't. People in America don't talk that way you stupid twit.
2014-06-08 06:08:30 AM  
1 votes:

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


My wife married me when she was 22, and I was 25. We've been together 21 years so far, everything is going great, in fact. But get this: My brother married his wife when she was only 19, and he was 23. They've been together for 27 years, and happier than ever.

Not all "young" marriages are a horrifically bad idea. Just most of them.
2014-06-08 03:58:11 AM  
1 votes:

trevzie: If there were 10 concealed carries this shooting would have ended how it did, early.


Or later, with more casualties, as all the armed people scared shiatless shoot at each other. Or in your mind is this like laser tag where the bad guys wear colored uniforms?

Some people with guns might do fine, but on average the public is pretty dumb, and I'm relatively confident that giving dumb, scared people guns isn't a reliable way to reduce the amount of gun injuries.
2014-06-08 01:30:54 AM  
1 votes:

trevzie: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?

As expected, you fail at logic. One case of conceal/carry stopping a mass shooter disproves the statement.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-c i tizens.html?m=1


You go ahead and sort through that mess and find the case where a mass shooter is stopped by a CC.
But don't bother with Clackamas. Meli "enhanced" his story twice and it's still pure speculation on his part.
2014-06-08 12:37:13 AM  
1 votes:

kerrigand: Laws like you propose are just like locks on a door. They only keep the honest people out.


That reminds me, how come so many GUN NUTS will spend thousands on weapons "in case of home invasion" and still got sh*t locks on the front door?

On another note, shooter has a history including two involuntary commitments. How the fnck was he still allowed to buy a shotgun?
2014-06-08 12:16:12 AM  
1 votes:

UsikFark: trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.

Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.


Exactly.   There have been 0 mass shootings stopped by civilians with guns.  Meanwhile, this guy managed to do it safely (for those around) with a non-lethal alternative.

It just sheds more light on the fact that concealed carry is unnecessary for personal defense when non-lethal alternatives such as mace, pepper spray, and tasers are available.
2014-06-08 12:09:19 AM  
1 votes:
The 12 dessert bowls is a ritual gift.

Nobody expects you to actually use them.

/did you ever notice that the bottom six "bowls" aren't actually in there?
2014-06-07 11:32:35 PM  
1 votes:
Mentalpatient87:

So, you're just going to repeatedly stamp your feet and cry "MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS!" like some kind of fool? Adorable.

It's the NRA Way
2014-06-07 11:31:59 PM  
1 votes:

It's Me Bender: Yeah, but if he'd had concealed carry it would have saved us all the expense of a trial and lifetime incarceration for the nutjob.

(concealed carry is probably not an option in Seattle except for government workers and the rich and the criminal underclass)


You'd be wrong. Washington and Oregon have very expansive "Shall Issue" laws.

But I'm betting that won't make an impression on you. Conservatives tend to get whiny when confronted with reality
2014-06-07 09:28:47 PM  
1 votes:
trevzie:
You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Crossfire.
2014-06-07 09:22:28 PM  
1 votes:

It's Me Bender: Yeah, but if he'd had concealed carry it would have saved us all the expense of a trial and lifetime incarceration for the nutjob.

(concealed carry is probably not an option in Seattle except for government workers and the rich and the criminal underclass)


Don't be that guy...
2014-06-07 09:11:59 PM  
1 votes:

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


Plenty of people do, numbnuts. Just because nobody will touch your "special area", doesn't mean everyone else has that same problem.
2014-06-07 09:09:30 PM  
1 votes:

fluffy2097: people complain bitterly about how someone else should DO SOMETHING!


Hose the farker down with mace and tackle him.
2014-06-07 08:51:23 PM  
1 votes:

mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.


Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.
2014-06-07 08:48:29 PM  
1 votes:

fluffy2097: mekki: People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get

I thought that more guns didn't solve anything.


But it won't be just more guns. It will be like what this kid did with a thing of pepper spray. I think people will be using anything they can get their hands on. I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team. That will be...something.
2014-06-07 08:48:16 PM  
1 votes:
Good. I'm sick or seeing valor called 'stupid' and cowardice labelled 'smart'.
2014-06-07 08:46:24 PM  
1 votes:
One of the many reasons I love my Seattle.
2014-06-07 08:44:08 PM  
1 votes:

Pichu0102: mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get. I would not be surprised that the next spree killer was taken down by someone using a baseball bat or a hockey stick. People have gone from being fearful of spree killers to tired of them and now they are angry. And, yes, I know the deputy was doing his job but he could have waited for back-up. Instead, he went, "Screw it. You are not getting in."

Anything can be a throwing weapon, especially from behind.

By the by, got a link to the deputy fark thread? I must have missed it.


Not fark, just any news outlet will do. (Yes, I get my news elsewhere to. I am so ashamed.) Here's what CNN has to say about it.
2014-06-07 08:42:51 PM  
1 votes:

mekki: People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get


I thought that more guns didn't solve anything.
2014-06-07 08:39:20 PM  
1 votes:

mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get. I would not be surprised that the next spree killer was taken down by someone using a baseball bat or a hockey stick. People have gone from being fearful of spree killers to tired of them and now they are angry. And, yes, I know the deputy was doing his job but he could have waited for back-up. Instead, he went, "Screw it. You are not getting in."


Anything can be a throwing weapon, especially from behind.

By the by, got a link to the deputy fark thread? I must have missed it.
2014-06-07 08:37:18 PM  
1 votes:
I don't care about him. I want to talk about the killer.
2014-06-07 08:36:10 PM  
1 votes:
From now on, let's refer to the shooter as "the loser with a gun who got taken down with pepper spray, of all things".
2014-06-07 08:32:51 PM  
1 votes:
Hero tag too busy?

Also, time to start buying the guy stuff from www.thisiswhyimbroke.com
2014-06-07 08:32:50 PM  
1 votes:

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)



I got married when i was 22.


/'course, i've been divorced now longer than i was with him
2014-06-07 08:30:36 PM  
1 votes:
Come on, fark, where's my "just kidding, he was arrested for assaulting the guy"?
2014-06-07 06:29:08 PM  
1 votes:
And here in Canada pepper spray and mace are both illegal to own. You may have deer or dog spray but you can only walk around in the wilderness with it. Carrying it in a city is illegal.
2014-06-07 06:09:22 PM  
1 votes:
Pretty classy internet, pretty classy. Hopefully it helps them get off to a good start.
2014-06-07 05:58:22 PM  
1 votes:
Cool!
 
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