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(Daily Mail)   The student who pepper sprayed and tackled the Seattle university shooter putting a end to his rampage has his Target and Crate and Barrel wedding registries completely fulfilled and his honeymoon paid for by grateful strangers on the internet   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 200
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2014-06-07 05:58:22 PM
Cool!
 
2014-06-07 06:09:22 PM
Pretty classy internet, pretty classy. Hopefully it helps them get off to a good start.
 
2014-06-07 06:20:47 PM
That's all kinds of awesome.
 
2014-06-07 06:29:08 PM
And here in Canada pepper spray and mace are both illegal to own. You may have deer or dog spray but you can only walk around in the wilderness with it. Carrying it in a city is illegal.
 
2014-06-07 06:29:44 PM
Fml I meant bear spray not deer spray.
 
2014-06-07 06:33:23 PM
Here's to you, Big Baller.  May your wife always be understanding and enthusiastic...
 
2014-06-07 06:41:28 PM

ontariolightning: Fml I meant bear spray not deer spray.


I thought you had a mean deer problem. I was told we have an exploding deer population, but mace won't help that, maybe a flak jacket.
 
2014-06-07 08:27:44 PM
a end?
Eye B4 e except after see.
 
2014-06-07 08:28:43 PM
Gun grabber meets 2nd amendment advocate in Seattle, guess who gets a celebration.

Typical libs.
 
2014-06-07 08:29:52 PM

EvilEgg: ontariolightning: Fml I meant bear spray not deer spray.

I thought you had a mean deer problem. I was told we have an exploding deer population, but mace won't help that, maybe a flak jacket.


www.ipoetblog.com
 
2014-06-07 08:30:23 PM
In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)
 
2014-06-07 08:30:36 PM
Come on, fark, where's my "just kidding, he was arrested for assaulting the guy"?
 
2014-06-07 08:32:14 PM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


I may as well have
 
2014-06-07 08:32:50 PM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)



I got married when i was 22.


/'course, i've been divorced now longer than i was with him
 
2014-06-07 08:32:51 PM
Hero tag too busy?

Also, time to start buying the guy stuff from www.thisiswhyimbroke.com
 
2014-06-07 08:33:02 PM
Was anyone else expecting that to read, "...has been arrested and expelled from school..."?
 
2014-06-07 08:33:37 PM

jaytkay: Gun grabber meets 2nd amendment advocate in Seattle, guess who gets a celebration.

Typical libs.


I'll give you a 1, because I replied to give you a 1.
 
2014-06-07 08:34:01 PM

zarker: Come on, fark, where's my "just kidding, he was arrested for assaulting the guy"?


Yeah, I, too, was waiting for the "and was sued for civil rights violations because racist." It is the left coast, after all.
 
2014-06-07 08:35:51 PM
Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get. I would not be surprised that the next spree killer was taken down by someone using a baseball bat or a hockey stick. People have gone from being fearful of spree killers to tired of them and now they are angry. And, yes, I know the deputy was doing his job but he could have waited for back-up. Instead, he went, "Screw it. You are not getting in."
 
2014-06-07 08:36:10 PM
From now on, let's refer to the shooter as "the loser with a gun who got taken down with pepper spray, of all things".
 
2014-06-07 08:37:18 PM
I don't care about him. I want to talk about the killer.
 
2014-06-07 08:39:20 PM

mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get. I would not be surprised that the next spree killer was taken down by someone using a baseball bat or a hockey stick. People have gone from being fearful of spree killers to tired of them and now they are angry. And, yes, I know the deputy was doing his job but he could have waited for back-up. Instead, he went, "Screw it. You are not getting in."


Anything can be a throwing weapon, especially from behind.

By the by, got a link to the deputy fark thread? I must have missed it.
 
2014-06-07 08:41:41 PM
What an asshole.

He should have called the police and hid in a closet like the liberal protocol says.

Civilians aren't trained to fight back, and thus shouldn't try to defend themselves.

/How many people really could have died in the half hour it would have taken for cops to finish their donuts?
 
2014-06-07 08:42:51 PM

mekki: People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get


I thought that more guns didn't solve anything.
 
2014-06-07 08:42:59 PM

fluffy2097: What an asshole.

He should have called the police and hid in a closet like the liberal protocol says.

Civilians aren't trained to fight back, and thus shouldn't try to defend themselves.

/How many people really could have died in the half hour it would have taken for cops to finish their donuts?


Better, but not much.
 
2014-06-07 08:43:46 PM
Yeah, but if he'd had concealed carry it would have saved us all the expense of a trial and lifetime incarceration for the nutjob.

(concealed carry is probably not an option in Seattle except for government workers and the rich and the criminal underclass)
 
2014-06-07 08:43:48 PM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


I got married at 19, husband was 21. Made it 11 years so far. We wernt badasses killer stoppers though.
 
2014-06-07 08:43:57 PM

ravenlore: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married when i was 22.
/'course, i've been divorced now longer than i was with him


You sound proud of both events.
 
2014-06-07 08:44:08 PM

Pichu0102: mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get. I would not be surprised that the next spree killer was taken down by someone using a baseball bat or a hockey stick. People have gone from being fearful of spree killers to tired of them and now they are angry. And, yes, I know the deputy was doing his job but he could have waited for back-up. Instead, he went, "Screw it. You are not getting in."

Anything can be a throwing weapon, especially from behind.

By the by, got a link to the deputy fark thread? I must have missed it.


Not fark, just any news outlet will do. (Yes, I get my news elsewhere to. I am so ashamed.) Here's what CNN has to say about it.
 
2014-06-07 08:45:54 PM
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with pepper spray
 
2014-06-07 08:46:24 PM
One of the many reasons I love my Seattle.
 
2014-06-07 08:46:30 PM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


I would venture that that's the kind of thing that takes huge balls and a certain amount of recklessness/disregard for consequences.

Which is weird, because that seems so very out of character for what we know about this guy from TFA.  Puzzling indeed.

// Nice that the internet is being used to make someone's day a little better for once.
 
2014-06-07 08:46:36 PM
And the dude looks like a skinny nerd.

Where were all the jocks?  Pissing their pants, I'll wager.

Mr. Meis, you rock.

That's an interesting getup that they've got Ybarra in.  I thought disposable Tyvek construction overalls were all the rage this year for prison transport, but looks like this guy got the deluxe "we can't trust you to put your own pants on, so we're going to wrap you in a velcro-laced carpet pad and call it good" treatment

(also, who was the editor who felt the need to repeat their ages every time their names were mentioned?)
 
2014-06-07 08:47:25 PM
Shooter is wearing a "Godsblock Ministries" hoody...wonder how they feel about that...
 
2014-06-07 08:47:31 PM
With the publicity, he could probably do better now.
 
2014-06-07 08:48:16 PM
Good. I'm sick or seeing valor called 'stupid' and cowardice labelled 'smart'.
 
2014-06-07 08:48:29 PM

fluffy2097: mekki: People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get

I thought that more guns didn't solve anything.


But it won't be just more guns. It will be like what this kid did with a thing of pepper spray. I think people will be using anything they can get their hands on. I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team. That will be...something.
 
2014-06-07 08:49:06 PM

mainsail: Shooter is wearing a "Godsblock Ministries" hoody...wonder how they feel about that...


Obviously, they will be issuing a memo stating that God doesn't block pepper spray.
 
2014-06-07 08:51:23 PM

mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.


Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.
 
2014-06-07 08:52:13 PM
Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.
 
2014-06-07 08:53:36 PM

rkiller1: ravenlore: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married when i was 22.
/'course, i've been divorced now longer than i was with him

You sound proud of both events.


Neither proud nor ashamed. It is what it is.


/i actually sound old
 
2014-06-07 08:56:00 PM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


SPU is a religious school, and religion is not Vietnam, there are rules!
 
2014-06-07 08:56:24 PM

fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.


Many high schools and colleges have archery teams. I can see a situation where a spree killer attacks on the day an archery team practice was happening and the team fought back.
 
2014-06-07 08:59:33 PM

fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.


So, you're just going to repeatedly stamp your feet and cry "MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS!" like some kind of fool? Adorable.
 
2014-06-07 09:00:09 PM

mekki: fluffy2097: mekki: People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get

I thought that more guns didn't solve anything.

But it won't be just more guns. It will be like what this kid did with a thing of pepper spray. I think people will be using anything they can get their hands on. I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team. That will be...something.


img.fark.net


It certainly would...
 
2014-06-07 09:01:46 PM
It would also be nice if some money went to the family who lost their child to help cover the thousands of dollars in funeral costs. While not begrudging this kid one cent, I wish that was part of this, too.
 
2014-06-07 09:02:16 PM

Jae0o0: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married at 19, husband was 21. Made it 11 years so far. We wernt badasses killer stoppers though.


We were both 23. 19 years in August.
 
2014-06-07 09:02:39 PM

trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.


Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.
 
2014-06-07 09:03:32 PM

trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.


Imagine if every single person had a gun aimed at everyone else all the time. It's right there in the constitution.
 
2014-06-07 09:04:11 PM

Mentalpatient87: So, you're just going to repeatedly stamp your feet and cry "MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS!" like some kind of fool? Adorable.


Actually.

It's questioning what is the cause of violence in our society? The proliferation of guns, or the fact you cannot find a single piece of modern american media where murdering someone is an acceptable way of solving a minor disagreement.

It's a questioning of zero tolerance, and the effect of calling an armed gang who throw flash bangs in infants faces as good, heroic people.

Every time there is an act of mass violence, people complain bitterly about how someone else should DO SOMETHING!

Well what is the something they invariably come up with? Violating the rights of citizens who have done nothing wrong, and unbridled violence.

/It's funny how murderous the party of peace is.
 
2014-06-07 09:05:14 PM

ravenlore: rkiller1: ravenlore: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married when i was 22.
/'course, i've been divorced now longer than i was with him

You sound proud of both events.

Neither proud nor ashamed. It is what it is.


/i actually sound old


Not old, wise.

You can be any age to be wise.
 
2014-06-07 09:08:40 PM

UsikFark: trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.

Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.


I think if someone has a gun shooting people, odds are that there's not a crowd standing around that person. Arguing about possible friendly fire when there's a guy standing there shooting his gun at as many people as he can. That is quite a stretch.

You have to be pretty sure you can close the distance before they rearm, or pull a sidearm to attempt running at a gunman with a can of pepper spray.

You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.
 
2014-06-07 09:09:04 PM

enry: Jae0o0: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married at 19, husband was 21. Made it 11 years so far. We wernt badasses killer stoppers though.

We were both 23. 19 years in August.


Congrats!

My family was super proud. Mostly because I got married and it wasn't because I was pregnant. Because that happens where I'm from. A lot.
 
2014-06-07 09:09:30 PM

fluffy2097: people complain bitterly about how someone else should DO SOMETHING!


Hose the farker down with mace and tackle him.
 
2014-06-07 09:10:46 PM

fluffy2097: What an asshole.

He should have called the police and hid in a closet like the liberal protocol says.

Civilians aren't trained to fight back, and thus shouldn't try to defend themselves.


Yep, a vigilante!
 
2014-06-07 09:10:51 PM

Jae0o0: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married at 19, husband was 21. Made it 11 years so far. We wernt badasses killer stoppers though.


Good on ya...keep it up. I got married at 22...she was 21. We're still friends, lovers and business partners 40 years later.
 
2014-06-07 09:10:55 PM

trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.


Tell us more. Please.
 
2014-06-07 09:11:07 PM

AspectRatio: trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.

Imagine if every single person had a gun aimed at everyone else all the time. It's right there in the constitution.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy">http://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/False_dichotomy
 
2014-06-07 09:11:59 PM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


Plenty of people do, numbnuts. Just because nobody will touch your "special area", doesn't mean everyone else has that same problem.
 
2014-06-07 09:12:07 PM

DebinCO: One of the many reasons I love my Seattle.


Come for the vigilantes, stay for the decriminalization of illegal aliens and drugs that infest the streets.
 
2014-06-07 09:13:22 PM
Man, now they're going to have to invite all the people that are sending gifts...
 
2014-06-07 09:14:03 PM

UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.


I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises
 
2014-06-07 09:14:15 PM

ravenlore: rkiller1: ravenlore: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married when i was 22.
/'course, i've been divorced now longer than i was with him

You sound proud of both events.

Neither proud nor ashamed. It is what it is.


/i actually sound old


It was the "of course" after the slashee thingee, as if divorce is an assured post-wedding event.
But it sounds like you're at-peace.  Peace.
 
2014-06-07 09:15:42 PM
fluffy2097: I am an example of how gun nuts are nuts who shouldn't have guns
 
2014-06-07 09:17:23 PM

Pokey.Clyde: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

Plenty of people do, numbnuts. Just because nobody will touch your "special area", doesn't mean everyone else has that same problem.


You of course realize that if his testicles are, as you allege, numb, then his "special area" my have "special issues."  Did you ever thing of that?  Didja????

/A ton of rage (or booze-enabled bravado) here tonight.
// Saturday nite is right for fighting
 
2014-06-07 09:17:44 PM

UsikFark: Hose the farker down with mace and tackle him.


9 times out of 10, that's not going to work. But please, share some more of your wisdom with us.
 
2014-06-07 09:20:39 PM

trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises


Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.
 
2014-06-07 09:21:56 PM

rkiller1: ravenlore: rkiller1: ravenlore: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married when i was 22.
/'course, i've been divorced now longer than i was with him

You sound proud of both events.

Neither proud nor ashamed. It is what it is.


/i actually sound old

It was the "of course" after the slashee thingee, as if divorce is an assured post-wedding event.
But it sounds like you're at-peace.  Peace.


it was more intended as an afterthought/aside.
 
2014-06-07 09:21:58 PM

Pokey.Clyde: UsikFark: Hose the farker down with mace and tackle him.

9 times out of 10, that's not going to work. But please, share some more of your wisdom with us.


I've seen it in action and it puts folks on the ground.
 
2014-06-07 09:22:10 PM

UsikFark: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises

Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.


Someone would've captured on video and we'd get to watch it a bazillion times on CNN?  Is that prey-telling enough?
 
2014-06-07 09:22:28 PM

It's Me Bender: Yeah, but if he'd had concealed carry it would have saved us all the expense of a trial and lifetime incarceration for the nutjob.

(concealed carry is probably not an option in Seattle except for government workers and the rich and the criminal underclass)


Don't be that guy...
 
2014-06-07 09:23:13 PM

Jae0o0: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married at 19, husband was 21. Made it 11 years so far. We wernt badasses killer stoppers though.


My husband and I were both 22 when we got married. We were married 30 years when he passed away.
 
2014-06-07 09:23:43 PM

ravenlore: rkiller1: ravenlore: rkiller1: ravenlore: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married when i was 22.
/'course, i've been divorced now longer than i was with him

You sound proud of both events.

Neither proud nor ashamed. It is what it is.


/i actually sound old

It was the "of course" after the slashee thingee, as if divorce is an assured post-wedding event.
But it sounds like you're at-peace.  Peace.

it was more intended as an afterthought/aside.


The whole marriage-divorce or your slashee-comment were afterthoughts?
/jk
 
2014-06-07 09:23:58 PM

Pokey.Clyde: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

Plenty of people do, numbnuts. Just because nobody will touch your "special area", doesn't mean everyone else has that same problem.


I was mainly referring to people who don't subscribe to a repressive religious dogma that severely restricts their sexual freedom until they've entered into a life-altering legal contract and paid out the asshole for a giant, lavish ceremony with all their friends and family.

On the other hand, if you're a desperately horny 18-22 year old who simply isn't permitted to have any "special area" contact until you've blown $25,000 just to parade your Special Friend out in front of everyone you've ever known and entered into a legal contract that (depending on the state, etc.) could easily result in you losing half your shiat if you ever stuck your dick in *anyone* else, I can half understand how you could be driven to such foolish decisions.
 
2014-06-07 09:24:17 PM

UsikFark: Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.


The gun nuts can't masturbate to mace stories.
 
2014-06-07 09:25:05 PM

Gramma: Jae0o0: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married at 19, husband was 21. Made it 11 years so far. We wernt badasses killer stoppers though.

My husband and I were both 22 when we got married. We were married 30 years when he passed away.


Please tell me you're not serious???
If you're being truthful, my sincere condolences, and that's the saddest think I've read on Fark in a week.
Peace to you, young lady.
 
2014-06-07 09:25:45 PM
Am I the first to ask Subby what the fark he's doing with an apostrophe in the word which is meant to be spelled 'registries'?
 
2014-06-07 09:26:36 PM

jaytkay: UsikFark: Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.

The gun nuts can't masturbate to mace stories.


That would explain this thread, not enough guns and they are cranky.
 
2014-06-07 09:27:58 PM

Aussie_As: Am I the first to ask Subby what the fark he's doing with an apostrophe in the word which is meant to be spelled 'registries'?


We's having a rage-war here and you're nitpicking the gd apostrophes'.  C'mon, dude, stop with the grammar Nazi's crap and get with the program here! Geeeeeshes'!
 
2014-06-07 09:28:25 PM

Aussie_As: Am I the first to ask Subby what the fark he's doing with an apostrophe in the word which is meant to be spelled 'registries'?


Report bad headlines. Every time I've done it the headline is corrected in minutes, but I'll let you do the honors this time.
 
2014-06-07 09:28:47 PM
trevzie:
You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Crossfire.
 
2014-06-07 09:28:58 PM

StanTheMan: zarker: Come on, fark, where's my "just kidding, he was arrested for assaulting the guy"?

Yeah, I, too, was waiting for the "and was sued for civil rights violations because racist." It is the left coast, after all.


Sop your idiotic confirmation bias based opinion is idiotic?

There's a shocker.
 
2014-06-07 09:29:52 PM

UsikFark: jaytkay: UsikFark: Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.

The gun nuts can't masturbate to mace stories.

That would explain this thread, not enough guns and they are cranky.


Farking word. Happens every time.
 
2014-06-07 09:29:58 PM
This dude had a shotgun and lost to a guy with pepper spray, the courthouse shooter was armed for the zombie Apocalypse and lasted all of 40 seconds. Have we run out of competent mass murderers and are now dipping into the minor leagues to bring up the Shoe Bomber-level killers?
 
2014-06-07 09:29:59 PM

mediablitz: Sop your idiotic confirmation bias based opinion is idiotic?


Are you okay?
 
2014-06-07 09:30:50 PM
If everyone had a gun, they'd be shooting at "the shooter."  Who is "the shooter" when all these CCW citizens are shooting?
 
2014-06-07 09:31:41 PM
I'm still betting he gets fired by the college.  Possibly expelled.
 
2014-06-07 09:32:36 PM
It's not enough for you gun-grabbing libs to have gun registries, now you want wedding registries too!
 
2014-06-07 09:36:24 PM

AspectRatio: It's not enough for you gun-grabbing libs to have gun registries, now you want wedding registries too!


Mandatory gay wedding registries.
 
2014-06-07 09:46:13 PM

jtown: Was anyone else expecting that to read, "...has been arrested and expelled from school..."?


No, not everyone. Just douchebags like you.
 
2014-06-07 09:46:30 PM
ITT: Somebody's REALLY pissed a gun nut was taken down without a hail of bullets.
 
2014-06-07 09:47:42 PM
Stan, fluffy, and Pokey?  This thread is a regular Algonquin Round Table.
 
2014-06-07 09:51:21 PM

KidneyStone: jtown: Was anyone else expecting that to read, "...has been arrested and expelled from school..."?

No, not everyone. Just douchebags like you.


Or anybody that's read any other thread involving violence in a school.

Zero tolerance and all that.

The difference is that this was a private college, not a public high school.
 
2014-06-07 09:56:45 PM
Ybarra is on suicide watch in jail
On Friday his lawyer said he was sorry for what he did



Hmm....sorry for what you did? I'm thinking you're sorry you didn't kill more before someone owned your punk coward ass. And please, ask the guards not to watch you too closely on the "suicide watch", do the world a favor and exit it now.

/Thanks, the World.
 
2014-06-07 09:59:48 PM

UsikFark: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises

Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.


The point is that all those people hiding under desks don't have concealed carries and that is why shootings often have so many casualties before the cops can show up. If there were 10 concealed carries this shooting would have ended how it did, early.

Just because this one happened to end with mace doesn't mean it is a likely resolution.

Number of mass shootings stopped with mace: 1

Number of mass shootings stopped with guns or threat of guns: every single other one
 
2014-06-07 10:00:03 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Ybarra is on suicide watch in jail
On Friday his lawyer said he was sorry for what he did


Hmm....sorry for what you did? I'm thinking you're sorry you didn't kill more before someone owned your punk coward ass. And please, ask the guards not to watch you too closely on the "suicide watch", do the world a favor and exit it now.

/Thanks, the World.


I'm usually of the opinion that a suicide watch should do just that.

Watch.  Note the absence of the words "prevent" or "interfere".

So that it can be precisely recorded what time the person of interest saved the State the expense and media circus of a high profile trial.
 
2014-06-07 10:00:19 PM

UsikFark: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises

Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.


/He would have been much more living impaired than he is now.  THAT is how it would be better.  But now we have to pay for his incarceration for the rest of his worthless wasted life.
 
2014-06-07 10:01:10 PM
That's the way you do it,
Get your money for nothin'
And your chicks for free


/Yogi Ybaraa can take sorry and shove it up his ass though
 
2014-06-07 10:04:28 PM

fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.


Well.... Aren't you, ummmm, cute, I suppose.
 
2014-06-07 10:08:23 PM

trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises

Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.

The point is that all those people hiding under desks don't have concealed carries and that is why shootings often have so many casualties before the cops can show up. If there were 10 concealed carries this shooting would have ended how it did, early.

Just because this one happened to end with mace doesn't mean it is a likely resolution.

Number of mass shootings stopped with mace: 1

Number of mass shootings stopped with guns or threat of guns: every single other one


I hope you realize you are getting off on trolling people about an incident where people died. You don't have to be this person. You are better than this.
 
2014-06-07 10:08:49 PM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


Quite possibly not the guy in the article. Yes he's referred to as being 22 at one point, but in photo captions he's now 26. That's pretty standard down at The Daily Fail.
 
2014-06-07 10:12:52 PM

trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises

Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.

The point is that all those people hiding under desks don't have concealed carries and that is why shootings often have so many casualties before the cops can show up. If there were 10 concealed carries this shooting would have ended how it did, early.

Just because this one happened to end with mace doesn't mean it is a likely resolution.

Number of mass shootings stopped with mace: 1

Number of mass shootings stopped with guns or threat of guns: every single other one


Number of mass shootings stopped by gun nuts with assault weapons strapped to their back while they're eating a burrito?
 
2014-06-07 10:13:21 PM
good on that dude.

i wish life would hand me the opportunity to risk my own
to help another.
 
2014-06-07 10:25:57 PM

dookdookdook: Pokey.Clyde: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

Plenty of people do, numbnuts. Just because nobody will touch your "special area", doesn't mean everyone else has that same problem.

I was mainly referring to people who don't subscribe to a repressive religious dogma that severely restricts their sexual freedom until they've entered into a life-altering legal contract and paid out the asshole for a giant, lavish ceremony with all their friends and family.

On the other hand, if you're a desperately horny 18-22 year old who simply isn't permitted to have any "special area" contact until you've blown $25,000 just to parade your Special Friend out in front of everyone you've ever known and entered into a legal contract that (depending on the state, etc.) could easily result in you losing half your shiat if you ever stuck your dick in *anyone* else, I can half understand how you could be driven to such foolish decisions.


Ha. That's the best part. My husband and I are atheist that got married at the courthouse and our honeymoon was a camping trip to the local lake. Thankfully neither of us were virgins when we got married either. That sounds incredibly awkward.
 
2014-06-07 10:26:42 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

This needs to become the mandatory 24/7 prison uniform all over the US. It should end just about where the photo cuts off...No pants.

Let's see you try to act tough when you look like a lady caveman.
 
2014-06-07 10:30:01 PM

Great_Milenko: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises

Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.

The point is that all those people hiding under desks don't have concealed carries and that is why shootings often have so many casualties before the cops can show up. If there were 10 concealed carries this shooting would have ended how it did, early.

Just because this one happened to end with mace doesn't mean it is a likely resolution.

Number of mass shootings stopped with mace: 1

Number of mass shootings stopped with guns or threat of guns: every single other one

Number of mass shootings stopped by gun nuts with assault weapons strapped to their back while they're eating a burrito?


One if I had my way
 
2014-06-07 10:30:42 PM
Dear Santa:

# 1 ea. T-38 commute vehicle.
# 1 ea. Falcon 9.1 R
# 1 ea. Dragon Mun

Crew and ground support for the above plus training.
 
2014-06-07 10:31:56 PM
lostcat:

Let's see you try to act tough when you look like a lady caveman.

Hey the moving blanket look is coming back.
 
2014-06-07 10:44:00 PM
I'd like to think I'd react like this guy did, given the situation, but I'd also like to never see my preferences tested.

(Gun-owner, grew up with a military dad, well versed in the use of firearms, and the limitations of firearms)

I know I'd be more prone to act with a non-lethal weapon than with a firearm, because you only have control of a bullet until it leaves the barrel. That being said, the kid thought fast, waited for an opening and saved a lot of lives. Good on him, May he have a long and happy life, and listen to his wife tell his great-grandkids about how ole pop-pop is an honest-to-God Hero.
 
2014-06-07 10:46:20 PM

ontariolightning: And here in Canada pepper spray and mace are both illegal to own. You may have deer or dog spray but you can only walk around in the wilderness with it. Carrying it in a city is illegal.


Really? What do paranoid women take out of their purses and fiddle with when I get into the elevator with them?

/Not a rapist
//No, honest. Wouldn't dream of it.
///Just creepy looking, I guess.
////I like slashes.
 
2014-06-07 10:50:18 PM

trevzie: Great_Milenko: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises

Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.

The point is that all those people hiding under desks don't have concealed carries and that is why shootings often have so many casualties before the cops can show up. If there were 10 concealed carries this shooting would have ended how it did, early.

Just because this one happened to end with mace doesn't mean it is a likely resolution.

Number of mass shootings stopped with mace: 1

Number of mass shootings stopped with guns or threat of guns: every single other one

Number of mass shootings stopped by gun nuts with assault weapons strapped to their back while they're eating a burrito?

One if I had my way


And that's why people don't trust you and your ilk.  You're itching to legally murder somebody.  Pathetic.
 
2014-06-07 10:53:00 PM
Imokwiththis.jog
 
2014-06-07 10:59:39 PM

Jae0o0: dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)

I got married at 19, husband was 21. Made it 11 years so far. We wernt badasses killer stoppers though.


One of my friends got married at 19. They are celebrating their ten year anniversary next year. Granted her only dream was to be a good Christian housewife. He's in the military. She's content.
 
2014-06-07 11:02:47 PM

4seasons85!: One of my friends got married at 19. They are celebrating their ten year anniversary next year. Granted her only dream was to be a good Christian housewife. He's in the military. She's content.


She's getting boned by some other dude on-base.
 
2014-06-07 11:05:00 PM
What's the score in good guys with guns versus good guys with pepper spray and balls?
 
2014-06-07 11:07:56 PM

XveryYpettyZ: trevzie: Great_Milenko: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.

Tell us more. Please.

I will when someone more capable of defending their argument arises

Your argument sucks. People with guns that want to shoot someone will find crowds and bystanders. They will enter classrooms with people hiding under desks. In a college, a movie theater, or a shopping mall, bystanders are crouched behind walls hiding. This shooting happened in a college lobby next to classrooms during a school day.
This shooting was solved quickly without another gunman. Pray tell how ten armed bystanders shooting this guy would have been better.

The point is that all those people hiding under desks don't have concealed carries and that is why shootings often have so many casualties before the cops can show up. If there were 10 concealed carries this shooting would have ended how it did, early.

Just because this one happened to end with mace doesn't mean it is a likely resolution.

Number of mass shootings stopped with mace: 1

Number of mass shootings stopped with guns or threat of guns: every single other one

Number of mass shootings stopped by gun nuts with assault weapons strapped to their back while they're eating a burrito?

One if I had my way

And that's why people don't trust you and your ilk.  You're itching to legally murder somebody.  Pathetic.


Autistic much? It was a joke
 
2014-06-07 11:08:34 PM
This seems to be the part of the story that people are skipping:

He was reloading his shotgun when Meis, a volunteer security guard, saw an opening.

This is why "military style rifles" and high-capacity magazines and drums are different from normal hunting weapons. A guy who has to stop after 5 or 6 shots to reload one shell at a time is not as dangerous as a guy who can fire 30 rounds and then slap a new magazine in as he looks for more targets.

Assuming you're not out to mass murder people to get on the news, the only reason you need to carry an AR-15 into Target is because you have a small penis and/or some idea that if the government really WAS after you that you could somehow shoot your way out in a blaze of gunfire without hitting a single innocent bystander.
 
2014-06-07 11:08:50 PM

shower_in_my_socks: This dude had a shotgun and lost to a guy with pepper spray, the courthouse shooter was armed for the zombie Apocalypse and lasted all of 40 seconds. Have we run out of competent mass murderers and are now dipping into the minor leagues to bring up the Shoe Bomber-level killers?


People think it's easy because the TV tells them. Most assailants have poorly thought out plans. The Lanzas and the Holmes are the rare exception.
 
2014-06-07 11:29:02 PM

Aeonite: Assuming you're not out to mass murder people to get on the news, the only reason you need to carry an AR-15 into Target is because you have a small penis and/or some idea that if the government really WAS after you that you could somehow shoot your way out in a blaze of gunfire without hitting a single innocent bystander.


Why is it that people who are scared shiatless of guns always have penis on the brain?
 
2014-06-07 11:30:59 PM
So, the solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with...pepper spray, and the gumption to tackle him? Okay, then.
 
2014-06-07 11:31:12 PM

zarker: Come on, fark, where's my "just kidding, he was arrested for assaulting the guy"?


Word! I really thought we were headed down that path from the start of the headline, this being the website that we all know and love.
 
2014-06-07 11:31:59 PM

It's Me Bender: Yeah, but if he'd had concealed carry it would have saved us all the expense of a trial and lifetime incarceration for the nutjob.

(concealed carry is probably not an option in Seattle except for government workers and the rich and the criminal underclass)


You'd be wrong. Washington and Oregon have very expansive "Shall Issue" laws.

But I'm betting that won't make an impression on you. Conservatives tend to get whiny when confronted with reality
 
2014-06-07 11:32:35 PM
Mentalpatient87:

So, you're just going to repeatedly stamp your feet and cry "MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS MOAR GUNS!" like some kind of fool? Adorable.

It's the NRA Way
 
2014-06-07 11:39:24 PM

Pokey.Clyde: Aeonite: Assuming you're not out to mass murder people to get on the news, the only reason you need to carry an AR-15 into Target is because you have a small penis and/or some idea that if the government really WAS after you that you could somehow shoot your way out in a blaze of gunfire without hitting a single innocent bystander.

Why is it that people who are scared shiatless of guns always have penis on the brain?


Every Fark thread needs at least one penis mention. Now we're up to four. Thanks for the help.
 
2014-06-07 11:39:46 PM

Spiralmonkey: mekki: fluffy2097: mekki: People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get

I thought that more guns didn't solve anything.

But it won't be just more guns. It will be like what this kid did with a thing of pepper spray. I think people will be using anything they can get their hands on. I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team. That will be...something.

[img.fark.net image 199x253]
It certainly would...


I was waiting for this pic from Arrow.  Leaving satisfied.
 
2014-06-07 11:43:29 PM

davynelson: i wish life would hand me the opportunity to risk my own to help another.


Be careful what you wish for.
 
2014-06-07 11:46:04 PM

mediablitz: StanTheMan: zarker: Come on, fark, where's my "just kidding, he was arrested for assaulting the guy"?

Yeah, I, too, was waiting for the "and was sued for civil rights violations because racist." It is the left coast, after all.

Sop your idiotic confirmation bias based opinion is idiotic?

There's a shocker.


Confirmation bias is the only reason I use the innerwebs! (Well that, and some amateur Aussie pron, and the occasional sports score update.) Come on, man.
 
2014-06-07 11:47:42 PM
Oh boy. Just what he needs: all 12 dessert bowls, 8 of which will never be used.

/Or is it just me with this problem?
 
2014-06-08 12:09:19 AM
The 12 dessert bowls is a ritual gift.

Nobody expects you to actually use them.

/did you ever notice that the bottom six "bowls" aren't actually in there?
 
2014-06-08 12:11:21 AM
Next week they will be comparing him to Richard Jewel, and an Obama supporter.
 
2014-06-08 12:16:12 AM

UsikFark: trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.

Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.


Exactly.   There have been 0 mass shootings stopped by civilians with guns.  Meanwhile, this guy managed to do it safely (for those around) with a non-lethal alternative.

It just sheds more light on the fact that concealed carry is unnecessary for personal defense when non-lethal alternatives such as mace, pepper spray, and tasers are available.
 
2014-06-08 12:19:51 AM
All you people who wonder while hi capacity clips need to be banned, this is why. Because the formaly responisible gun owner™ was taken down while trying to reload. You think that would have happened if he was using one of those assualt style 30 round clips? Not near as likely, and would have been a lot more people dead. Or those giant round 100 bullet clips all the Rambo wanna-bes cream their camo pants over? The gunman could have taken out the entire school with one of those.

The only people who need that many bullets are soldiers. Not even regular police need them. They should be taking careful aimed shots anyway. Having almost a whole box of ammo in your clip just encourages them to should wildly and hit bystanders, and those are highly trained cops.

What do 'normal' people need that many bullets in a gun for? Hunting? If you can't hit your target by the follow up shot, you shouldn't be hunting. Target shooting? Isn't the purpose of target shooting to focus on the fundidmentals and get better? You're not on a time limit, so who cares if you have to reload every few shots. You don't like reloading, buy a few more clips. Focus on shooting properly and not throwing bullets down range. Most responsible gun owners™ need more time doing this anyway.

Competition shooting? So, change the format. Instead of shooting at 10 targets, just shoot at 5 sets of two. You can even incorporate clip changes into the competition to see who is better at it. Personal protection? How often are you going to be attacked by a squad sized element of gunmen? Usually it is just one person. Maybe two.

So what do you need 20 bullets in your Glock for? I'm not gonna make the argument that drawing a gun is more likely to get you killed when all the person wants is your wallet, and that no amount of money is worth a person's life. Even the small time thug robbing you because of social enequality. You all know this already. But in a true life and death situation (if you are too impatient to hide and wait for the cops whose job it is to protect you) you wouldn't need more than two bullets. If you know that your ammo supply is limited, you'll take the extra half second to make an aimed shot, and not hit an innocent bystander. You'd also make damn sure of the target/ Maybe due to lack of training and high stress, you might need an extra few rounds.

That's why all clips should have no more than 5 rounds. And it should be a law that you can only have one clip on you. You don't need that shoulder holster that carries 4 spare clips. You're not in a warzone, chief.
I have no problem with people using guns in a safe manner for sport or hunting. But think of how many lives could be spared for what would only be a minor inconvience on a few people's occasional day. Is a school full of dead children really worth it so you don't have to take 3 seconds to change clips while you're shooting at empty beer bottles?

I didn't think so.
 
2014-06-08 12:25:52 AM

StanTheMan: DebinCO: One of the many reasons I love my Seattle.

Come for the vigilantes, stay for the decriminalization of illegal aliens and drugs that infest the streets.


Ha ha ha! Good one!
 
2014-06-08 12:28:33 AM

MythDragon: All you people who wonder while hi capacity clips need to be banned, this is why. Because the formaly responisible gun owner™ was taken down while trying to reload. You think that would have happened if he was using one of those assualt style 30 round clips? Not near as likely, and would have been a lot more people dead. Or those giant round 100 bullet clips all the Rambo wanna-bes cream their camo pants over? The gunman could have taken out the entire school with one of those.

The only people who need that many bullets are soldiers. Not even regular police need them. They should be taking careful aimed shots anyway. Having almost a whole box of ammo in your clip just encourages them to should wildly and hit bystanders, and those are highly trained cops.

What do 'normal' people need that many bullets in a gun for? Hunting? If you can't hit your target by the follow up shot, you shouldn't be hunting. Target shooting? Isn't the purpose of target shooting to focus on the fundidmentals and get better? You're not on a time limit, so who cares if you have to reload every few shots. You don't like reloading, buy a few more clips. Focus on shooting properly and not throwing bullets down range. Most responsible gun owners™ need more time doing this anyway.

Competition shooting? So, change the format. Instead of shooting at 10 targets, just shoot at 5 sets of two. You can even incorporate clip changes into the competition to see who is better at it. Personal protection? How often are you going to be attacked by a squad sized element of gunmen? Usually it is just one person. Maybe two.

So what do you need 20 bullets in your Glock for? I'm not gonna make the argument that drawing a gun is more likely to get you killed when all the person wants is your wallet, and that no amount of money is worth a person's life. Even the small time thug robbing you because of social enequality. You all know this already. But in a true life and death situation (if you are too impatient to hi ...


Laws like you propose are just like locks on a door. They only keep the honest people out.
 
2014-06-08 12:37:01 AM

TuteTibiImperes: UsikFark: trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.

Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.

Exactly.   There have been 0 mass shootings stopped by civilians with guns.  Meanwhile, this guy managed to do it safely (for those around) with a non-lethal alternative.

It just sheds more light on the fact that concealed carry is unnecessary for personal defense when non-lethal alternatives such as mace, pepper spray, and tasers are available.


And exactly how can you or anyone else honestly and with all absolutes removed state this how? Are you sure? Is there a real citation for that? If there is, can they honestly state this is a absolute fact? Can your statement be proven?
 
2014-06-08 12:37:13 AM

kerrigand: Laws like you propose are just like locks on a door. They only keep the honest people out.


That reminds me, how come so many GUN NUTS will spend thousands on weapons "in case of home invasion" and still got sh*t locks on the front door?

On another note, shooter has a history including two involuntary commitments. How the fnck was he still allowed to buy a shotgun?
 
2014-06-08 12:38:16 AM

mekki: fluffy2097: mekki: People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get

I thought that more guns didn't solve anything.

But it won't be just more guns. It will be like what this kid did with a thing of pepper spray. I think people will be using anything they can get their hands on. I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team. That will be...something.


i115.photobucket.com
unamused by your remarks
 
2014-06-08 12:39:43 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: Laws like you propose are just like locks on a door. They only keep the honest people out.

That reminds me, how come so many GUN NUTS will spend thousands on weapons "in case of home invasion" and still got sh*t locks on the front door?

On another note, shooter has a history including two involuntary commitments. How the fnck was he still allowed to buy a shotgun?


Why should anyone have to spend so much as a dime for a lock? They shouldn't have to, should they?
 
2014-06-08 12:40:01 AM

kerrigand: TuteTibiImperes: UsikFark: trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.

Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.

Exactly.   There have been 0 mass shootings stopped by civilians with guns.  Meanwhile, this guy managed to do it safely (for those around) with a non-lethal alternative.

It just sheds more light on the fact that concealed carry is unnecessary for personal defense when non-lethal alternatives such as mace, pepper spray, and tasers are available.

And exactly how can you or anyone else honestly and with all absolutes removed state this how? Are you sure? Is there a real citation for that? If there is, can they honestly state this is a absolute fact? Can your statement be proven?


Easy enough to disprove if false. All you have to do is provide one example.
Go ahead.
 
2014-06-08 12:40:26 AM
Good for him! But did any of the well-wishers give the couple cans of pepper spray? He probably needs to replace his.

/Probably would be a good spokesman for the company, too.
 
2014-06-08 12:44:04 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: TuteTibiImperes: UsikFark: trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.

Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.

Exactly.   There have been 0 mass shootings stopped by civilians with guns.  Meanwhile, this guy managed to do it safely (for those around) with a non-lethal alternative.

It just sheds more light on the fact that concealed carry is unnecessary for personal defense when non-lethal alternatives such as mace, pepper spray, and tasers are available.

And exactly how can you or anyone else honestly and with all absolutes removed state this how? Are you sure? Is there a real citation for that? If there is, can they honestly state this is a absolute fact? Can your statement be proven?

Easy enough to disprove if false. All you have to do is provide one example.
Go ahead.


You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?
 
2014-06-08 12:46:19 AM
kerrigand: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: TuteTibiImperes: UsikFark: trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.

Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.

Exactly.   There have been 0 mass shootings stopped by civilians with guns.  Meanwhile, this guy managed to do it safely (for those around) with a non-lethal alternative.

It just sheds more light on the fact that concealed carry is unnecessary for personal defense when non-lethal alternatives such as mace, pepper spray, and tasers are available.

And exactly how can you or anyone else honestly and with all absolutes removed state this how? Are you sure? Is there a real citation for that? If there is, can they honestly state this is a absolute fact? Can your statement be proven?

Easy enough to disprove if false. All you have to do is provide one example.
Go ahead.

You first. You as well as I, both no know it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?

FTFMAY
 
2014-06-08 12:46:27 AM
Thank fark this devolved into another farking gun thread.
 
2014-06-08 12:52:31 AM

kerrigand: You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?


As expected, you fail at logic. One case of conceal/carry stopping a mass shooter disproves the statement.
 
2014-06-08 12:56:39 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?

As expected, you fail at logic. One case of conceal/carry stopping a mass shooter disproves the statement.


No, the logic is just fine, all you have to do is prove one case one way or another. You can't, just as well as I can't. Because if a shooter was or wasn't stopped, who was to know it?
 
2014-06-08 01:00:02 AM

kerrigand: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?

As expected, you fail at logic. One case of conceal/carry stopping a mass shooter disproves the statement.

No, the logic is just fine, all you have to do is prove one case one way or another. You can't, just as well as I can't. Because if a shooter was or wasn't stopped, who was to know it?


I'm sure you impress your buddies down at mcd's guzzling free coffee but you're just embarrassing yourself here.

Any Californians know why shooter was allowed to buy?
 
2014-06-08 01:02:05 AM
GUn threads make baby Jesus cry.
 
2014-06-08 01:05:20 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?

As expected, you fail at logic. One case of conceal/carry stopping a mass shooter disproves the statement.

No, the logic is just fine, all you have to do is prove one case one way or another. You can't, just as well as I can't. Because if a shooter was or wasn't stopped, who was to know it?

I'm sure you impress your buddies down at mcd's guzzling free coffee but you're just embarrassing yourself here.

Any Californians know why shooter was allowed to buy?


Ad-homs, really? So you can't prove or disprove it?

Appreciate you trying to debate it rationally.
 
2014-06-08 01:16:59 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?

As expected, you fail at logic. One case of conceal/carry stopping a mass shooter disproves the statement.


http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-ci tizens.html?m=1
 
2014-06-08 01:24:09 AM

MIRV888: GUn threads make baby Jesus cry.


But not as much as pepper spray threads. Those really sting!
 
2014-06-08 01:30:54 AM

trevzie: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?

As expected, you fail at logic. One case of conceal/carry stopping a mass shooter disproves the statement.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-c i tizens.html?m=1


You go ahead and sort through that mess and find the case where a mass shooter is stopped by a CC.
But don't bother with Clackamas. Meli "enhanced" his story twice and it's still pure speculation on his part.
 
2014-06-08 01:57:41 AM

mainsail: Shooter is wearing a "Godsblock Ministries" hoody...wonder how they feel about that...


name many workplace shooters that -aren't- fundies. most of them seem to have a strong religious bent, it's part of the profile.
 
2014-06-08 02:05:35 AM

kerrigand: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?

As expected, you fail at logic. One case of conceal/carry stopping a mass shooter disproves the statement.

No, the logic is just fine, all you have to do is prove one case one way or another. You can't, just as well as I can't. Because if a shooter was or wasn't stopped, who was to know it?


you guys can argue about how it cannot be proven one way or the other, but that is a pretty ridiculous position. there is an internet full of data out there, and yes, there have been cases of mass shootings that were either mitigated or ended by civilians, including some of the most famous ones. not many, and the impact of armed civilians having any effect on reducing future shootings is still very debatable, but the cases do exist, and pretending otherwise is simply foolish.
 
2014-06-08 02:09:04 AM

Ivan the Tolerable: kerrigand: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: You first. You as well as I, both no it can't be proven, one way or the other. Or do you have other evidence?

As expected, you fail at logic. One case of conceal/carry stopping a mass shooter disproves the statement.

No, the logic is just fine, all you have to do is prove one case one way or another. You can't, just as well as I can't. Because if a shooter was or wasn't stopped, who was to know it?

you guys can argue about how it cannot be proven one way or the other, but that is a pretty ridiculous position. there is an internet full of data out there, and yes, there have been cases of mass shootings that were either mitigated or ended by civilians, including some of the most famous ones. not many, and the impact of armed civilians having any effect on reducing future shootings is still very debatable, but the cases do exist, and pretending otherwise is simply foolish.


Sure there are, to deny them are foolish, to disregard them is stupidity.
 
2014-06-08 02:15:22 AM
One example is all you need.
 
2014-06-08 02:25:47 AM

kerrigand: Sure there are, to deny them are foolish, to disregard them is stupidity.


And to produce them is apparently impossible.
 
2014-06-08 02:26:32 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: One example is all you need.


One Honest example is what you need. Not, just one example.
 
2014-06-08 02:28:40 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: One example is all you need.


 There are many dozens, all of which can be counted or discounted depending on how you want to parse your language. So, give us, in as much detail as you can, very specific wordings and boundaries of what you would consider a legitimate case.
 I only mention this as I have never seen mental and linguistic gymnastics as convoluted as the ones used by people attempting to 'prove' there have been no mass shootings stopped by civilians. especially by that mother jones article. if you go far enough and add enough asterisks, you can pretty much tailor a description to exclude any given event, and if that description is long and bizarre enough and stretches the definition of 'civilian', 'armed' 'law-abiding', 'mass shooting', and even 'stopped', etc. you may even be able to discount all of them if your willfully obtuse enough.

 so, i ask you, are you actually looking for an example, or are you looking to simply find ways to discount all of them you already know exist? i am genuinely curious.
 
2014-06-08 02:32:06 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: kerrigand: Sure there are, to deny them are foolish, to disregard them is stupidity.

And to produce them is apparently impossible.


And to understand them seems just the same.
 
2014-06-08 02:39:34 AM
hell, my aunt and uncle were at university of texas years ago when the bell tower shooting happened. multiple civilians were credited by the police with saving lives for shooting back at the tower sniper before police arrived, causing him to limit his target area, and to continually be forced to take cover allowing people to evacuate. it doesn't 'count' because he wasn't finally killed by a civilian though.
near my hometown, a church shooter was stopped by a civilian, but she was an ex-police officer and so apparently doesn't count as civilian. another one didn't count because an ex army reservist apparently doesn't count as civilian either. nor do ex private security guards.
some shootings apparently were not counted as 'stopped' by civilians because there was no proof that the shooter was going to be able to find anyone else to kill, or that it was not known if they might have just wanted to stop right then anyway. others were stopped before the body count of killed exceeded four, so it wasn't a 'mass' shooting yet, so it doesn't count either apparently.

 we can play this game all night, but you know as well as i do there are a lot of shootings that were stopped or mitigated by civilians, whether you like that idea or not.
 
2014-06-08 02:48:50 AM

MIRV888: GUn threads make baby Jesus cry.


Imma shoot baby Jesus right in his stupid face.
 
2014-06-08 02:51:04 AM
Penis.
 
2014-06-08 02:56:11 AM

Ivan the Tolerable: doesn't count


Seems like you already know what the criteria are.
 
2014-06-08 03:05:31 AM

Pichu0102: mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get. I would not be surprised that the next spree killer was taken down by someone using a baseball bat or a hockey stick. People have gone from being fearful of spree killers to tired of them and now they are angry. And, yes, I know the deputy was doing his job but he could have waited for back-up. Instead, he went, "Screw it. You are not getting in."

Anything can be a throwing weapon, especially from behind.

By the by, got a link to the deputy fark thread? I must have missed it.


Better late than never? Anyway, here it is.
 
2014-06-08 03:05:35 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Ivan the Tolerable: doesn't count

Seems like you already know what the criteria are.


I do have to hand it to you. You really know how to show your true colors.
 
2014-06-08 03:07:49 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Ivan the Tolerable: doesn't count

Seems like you already know what the criteria are.


yes, unfortunately i do; whatever criterion rejects observable reality to better fit a particular worldview.
/tell me i am not correct.
 
2014-06-08 03:27:17 AM
I will leave this here for thought. it is a recent FBI report on active shooter events in the last 12 years.
http://leb.fbi.gov/2014/january/active-shooter-events-from-2000-to-2 01 2


 A short quote from a very telling report; Approximately half of the events (49 percent) ended before law enforcement arrived on scene. This points to the phenomenal speed with which these incidents occur.Of the cases that ended before the police arrived, 67 percent (34) ended with attackers stopping themselves via suicide (29 cases) or by leaving the scene (5 cases). In the other 33 percent (17) of the cases that ended before the police arrived, the potential victims at the scene stopped the shooter themselves. Most commonly they physically subdued the attacker (14 cases), but 3 cases involved people at the scene shooting the perpetrator to end the attack.

That right there gives evidence of several shootings stopped by civilians shooting the perpetrator. feel free to bend the definitions around so they 'don't count'.

I personally find two things interesting;
1)  I find it interesting that while AT LEAST 16% of shootings were actively ended by victims/civilians BEFORE police arrive. I mention 'at least' as several shootings were ended by suicide after the shooter was cornered or was chased off by force, though not actively detained/killed by the victims. This would skew the numbers much higher toward victim-ended shooting events.
2) I find it interesting that of the shootings stopped by civilians, very few were actually by firearm, but by any number of other unspecified non-firearm means. Again, this number is artificially low due to the number of instances where armed victims forced the shooter to retreat and later commit suicide, or until police arrived and terminated the event, but it is still a low number in comparison to non-firearm events.
 (see, i have no axe to grind here. i find facts fascinating to learn from. wearing blinkers pimping a specific irrational agendas seems boring)
 
2014-06-08 03:58:11 AM

trevzie: If there were 10 concealed carries this shooting would have ended how it did, early.


Or later, with more casualties, as all the armed people scared shiatless shoot at each other. Or in your mind is this like laser tag where the bad guys wear colored uniforms?

Some people with guns might do fine, but on average the public is pretty dumb, and I'm relatively confident that giving dumb, scared people guns isn't a reliable way to reduce the amount of gun injuries.
 
2014-06-08 04:11:44 AM

profplump: I'm relatively confident that giving dumb, scared people guns isn't a reliable way to reduce the amount of gun injuries.


i might start to agree with you the day they start giving IQ tests to prospective police candidates.
 
2014-06-08 04:45:55 AM

fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.


I don't usually give a shiat about the discussion but are you really advocating that the only way to defend yourself is with a gun? fark's sake, grow a pair.
 
2014-06-08 05:08:06 AM

It's Me Bender: Yeah, but if he'd had concealed carry it would have saved us all the expense of a trial and lifetime incarceration for the nutjob.

(concealed carry is probably not an option in Seattle except for government workers and the rich and the criminal underclass)


Washington is a "shall issue" state. Last I checked, city ordinance does not trump state law. And there are truckloads of hunters and veterans in the King County area. King County likes their guns. So do Pierce and Thurston Counties.

/have carried concealed everywhere in Seattle except the VA, the Federal building, and bars
//don't let the 'blue' in national elections fool you--you're almost as likely to get shot robbing a house in Western Washington as you are in Oklahoma or Texas
///WA law only requires both feet be inside the threshold when the cops show up--and a lot of cops out there will tell you that if both feet aren't inside the door, drag the body until they are
 
2014-06-08 05:26:17 AM

fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.


Doubt it. Bows are seldom used in mass murders, and have been used for hunting since it occurred to someone to tie a string to both ends of a stick--60,000 years, give or take.

Gunpowder is only about 1100 years old, with its first use in firearms dating back only about 700 years. You can thank China for both the invention of gunpowder and the invention of firearms (but you can thank Americans [Richard Gatling, Hiram Maxim, and Isaac Lewis--though the Maxim and Lewis guns were used mainly by Europe rather than the US] for developing firearms that can kill on a grand scale).

Besides, how will they institute the hunger games without bows? :D
 
2014-06-08 05:50:28 AM

mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get. I would not be surprised that the next spree killer was taken down by someone using a baseball bat or a hockey stick. People have gone from being fearful of spree killers to tired of them and now they are angry. And, yes, I know the deputy was doing his job but he could have waited for back-up. Instead, he went, "Screw it. You are not getting in."


These are hardly the first times that an active killer has been stopped by potential victims, putting an early end to their rampages.
 
2014-06-08 06:08:30 AM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


My wife married me when she was 22, and I was 25. We've been together 21 years so far, everything is going great, in fact. But get this: My brother married his wife when she was only 19, and he was 23. They've been together for 27 years, and happier than ever.

Not all "young" marriages are a horrifically bad idea. Just most of them.
 
2014-06-08 06:10:55 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get. I would not be surprised that the next spree killer was taken down by someone using a baseball bat or a hockey stick. People have gone from being fearful of spree killers to tired of them and now they are angry. And, yes, I know the deputy was doing his job but he could have waited for back-up. Instead, he went, "Screw it. You are not getting in."

These are hardly the first times that an active killer has been stopped by potential victims, putting an early end to their rampages.


You are right. We're just having mass shootings more frequently now, so these stories of potential victims fighting back are becoming more frequent as well.
 
2014-06-08 06:45:24 AM

mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get.


Um, hate to point this out, but it's not a new thing.  In fact, several shootings have been stopped by people going to their vehicles and retrieving their personal sidearms, and then using them to take down the shooter.  Some involved staff, some involved, (oh, how terrible!) STUDENTS who had guns legally in their vehicles.

/If you trust your kid to a teacher, why wouldn't you trust the teacher with a gun???
//Once checked a daycare's inspection records, and found that their only "gig" was that the gun safe was unlocked.
///2 days later, my kids were there.
 
2014-06-08 07:10:06 AM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


People who regret it by 22.5.
 
2014-06-08 07:11:49 AM

mekki: fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.

Many high schools and colleges have archery teams. I can see a situation where a spree killer attacks on the day an archery team practice was happening and the team fought back.


Reminds me of this short horror manga I read once.
In an equipment room of a high school gymnasium, the track team was playing a high-stakes version of "the last letter game". Where I say a word, five letters, and you say a word that starts with the letter the word I said ends with, first person to repeat a word loses?

The losing track team girl was sent outside to run for help from the monster that had allready killed their team captain... And the fastest girl on the team... The story ended with a member of the boy's Badminton team putting a lawn-dart-slash-shuttlecock into the monster's skull. Too late, obviously. But still, Pyrrhic victory.
 
2014-06-08 08:14:42 AM
His Target registry doesn't look like it's been fulfilled at all.
 
2014-06-08 08:18:39 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
Seattle Pacific students gathered to pray after the the horrific violence on their small campus Thursday afternoon


Well at least it wasn't a drum circle
 
2014-06-08 08:19:05 AM
his friends said, with his wedding just a fortnight away

 No they didn't. People in America don't talk that way you stupid twit.
 
2014-06-08 08:21:00 AM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


Lots of people do as the frontal lobe is not fully developed in most people till around the age of 25.  This means they do a lot fo stupid things  when they are young.
 
2014-06-08 08:28:21 AM

Aigoo: It's Me Bender: Yeah, but if he'd had concealed carry it would have saved us all the expense of a trial and lifetime incarceration for the nutjob.

(concealed carry is probably not an option in Seattle except for government workers and the rich and the criminal underclass)

Washington is a "shall issue" state. Last I checked, city ordinance does not trump state law. And there are truckloads of hunters and veterans in the King County area. King County likes their guns. So do Pierce and Thurston Counties.

/have carried concealed everywhere in Seattle except the VA, the Federal building, and bars
//don't let the 'blue' in national elections fool you--you're almost as likely to get shot robbing a house in Western Washington as you are in Oklahoma or Texas
///WA law only requires both feet be inside the threshold when the cops show up--and a lot of cops out there will tell you that if both feet aren't inside the door, drag the body until they are


Yet you get the majority of these "mass shootings " in more liberal areas like Seattle.  You never hear of them at places like West Texas A&M, Montana Tech or the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology
 
2014-06-08 09:17:02 AM

hasty ambush: Aigoo: It's Me Bender: Yeah, but if he'd had concealed carry it would have saved us all the expense of a trial and lifetime incarceration for the nutjob.

(concealed carry is probably not an option in Seattle except for government workers and the rich and the criminal underclass)

Washington is a "shall issue" state. Last I checked, city ordinance does not trump state law. And there are truckloads of hunters and veterans in the King County area. King County likes their guns. So do Pierce and Thurston Counties.

/have carried concealed everywhere in Seattle except the VA, the Federal building, and bars
//don't let the 'blue' in national elections fool you--you're almost as likely to get shot robbing a house in Western Washington as you are in Oklahoma or Texas
///WA law only requires both feet be inside the threshold when the cops show up--and a lot of cops out there will tell you that if both feet aren't inside the door, drag the body until they are

Yet you get the majority of these "mass shootings " in more liberal areas like Seattle.  You never hear of them at places like West Texas A&M, Montana Tech or the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology


Yup. NEVER.
 
2014-06-08 09:30:27 AM

dookdookdook: In other news, who the hell gets married when they're 22? (or ever, for that matter?)


I was 19, wife was 21 (she bought all the booze for a couple of years).
Still married (15 years later).
 
2014-06-08 09:59:54 AM

Aigoo: fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

Doubt it. Bows are seldom used in mass murders, and have been used for hunting since it occurred to someone to tie a string to both ends of a stick--60,000 years, give or take.

Gunpowder is only about 1100 years old, with its first use in firearms dating back only about 700 years. You can thank China for both the invention of gunpowder and the invention of firearms (but you can thank Americans [Richard Gatling, Hiram Maxim, and Isaac Lewis--though the Maxim and Lewis guns were used mainly by Europe rather than the US] for developing firearms that can kill on a grand scale).

Besides, how will they institute the hunger games without bows? :D


I don't think you get it.

You cannot bring a bow into a gun free zone.  Gun free zones are WEAPON FREE ZONES.

DOOT DE DOO! NEVERMIND MY COMPOUND BOW THAT'S 3 FEET WIDE AND HAS A 4 FOOT STABILIZER BAR! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

/See. The answer to all of these problems is always more violence.
//Or the severe intrusion of the government on the private lives of people who've done nothing wrong.
///Murder and Molestation. It's the American way. Hope you brought lube.
 
2014-06-08 10:11:48 AM

Ivan the Tolerable: profplump: I'm relatively confident that giving dumb, scared people guns isn't a reliable way to reduce the amount of gun injuries.

i might start to agree with you the day they start giving IQ tests to prospective police candidates.


Oh, they do... It's just they use it to kick out the ones who score too high!
 
2014-06-08 11:20:28 AM

rzrwiresunrise: hasty ambush: Aigoo: It's Me Bender: Yeah, but if he'd had concealed carry it would have saved us all the expense of a trial and lifetime incarceration for the nutjob.

(concealed carry is probably not an option in Seattle except for government workers and the rich and the criminal underclass)

Washington is a "shall issue" state. Last I checked, city ordinance does not trump state law. And there are truckloads of hunters and veterans in the King County area. King County likes their guns. So do Pierce and Thurston Counties.

/have carried concealed everywhere in Seattle except the VA, the Federal building, and bars
//don't let the 'blue' in national elections fool you--you're almost as likely to get shot robbing a house in Western Washington as you are in Oklahoma or Texas
///WA law only requires both feet be inside the threshold when the cops show up--and a lot of cops out there will tell you that if both feet aren't inside the door, drag the body until they are

Yet you get the majority of these "mass shootings " in more liberal areas like Seattle.  You never hear of them at places like West Texas A&M, Montana Tech or the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology

Yup. NEVER.



Hardrockers are too stoned to carry out mass shootings. Or too busy skiing, or playing Warcraft.
 
2014-06-08 11:26:57 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: /If you trust your kid to a teacher, why wouldn't you trust the teacher with a gun???


Is this a trick question, or just a really, really stupid one? Dang.

Phew.
 
2014-06-08 11:46:24 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get.


Um, hate to point this out, but it's not a new thing.  In fact, several shootings have been stopped by people going to their vehicles and retrieving their personal sidearms, and then using them to take down the shooter.  Some involved staff, some involved, (oh, how terrible!) STUDENTS who had guns legally in their vehicles.


not only are school shootings not a new thing, they are generally decreasing in frequency.

/no matter how many times news people tell you school shootings are new, an american thing, or that columbine or sandy hook were the largest school massacres, just think that sandy hook was only in third place and columbine fifth. in the united states. the biggest here was in 1927. go worldwide and only one of those two american shootings even makes the top ten list.

//but, i am sure someone on fark will argue that they only happen here, now, and we need to ban something because of it.
 
2014-06-08 12:01:00 PM

trevzie: UsikFark: trevzie: Imagine if bystanders had concealed carries instead of pepper spray. It's a rare person who will take pepper spray to a gun fight. It worked out in this case, thankfully.

However, takedowns like this would be more common if people had the tools to do it.

Bullshiat. farking bullshiat. With pepper spray you can lay on the trigger. You can spray down the shooter and a hostage with pepper spray. You can use pepper spray when unsure of your target.

This is why a "good guy with a gun" is a complete trash argument, you're still going to have to get the perp on the ground in a crowded area when you yourself are probably shaking with fear.

I think if someone has a gun shooting people, odds are that there's not a crowd standing around that person. Arguing about possible friendly fire when there's a guy standing there shooting his gun at as many people as he can. That is quite a stretch.

You have to be pretty sure you can close the distance before they rearm, or pull a sidearm to attempt running at a gunman with a can of pepper spray.

You really have to reach to come up with a scenario where it's better that the bystanders don't have guns.


21 feet.

That is the distance from which a person with a bat, knife, or pepper spray can close in and take down an armed attacker before they can draw their firearm or reload. That distance is further in the case of reloading a shotgun.

The only point I can concede for the advantage of concealed carry in this case, is that someone could have saved us the time and money for a trial and incarceration of this mass shooter.
 
2014-06-08 01:07:38 PM

mekki: fluffy2097: mekki: I am waiting for the story where a gunman is taken down by the archery team.

Thanks to zero tolerance, it will never happen. Gun free zones? Also bow free zones. For the children, you see.

/You can watch pro wrestling if you want to see people get hit in the head with a chair.
//If you want your gun free zones, and onerous legislation on legal gun owners, you should have to wait for the cops to come save your ass, since you have abdicated your ability to defend yourself to the police.

Many high schools and colleges have archery teams. I can see a situation where a spree killer attacks on the day an archery team practice was happening and the team fought back.


A bad part of me wants to see this happen.
 
2014-06-08 01:31:55 PM
Loreweaver: ...

21 feet.

That is the distance from which a person with a bat, knife, or pepper spray can close in and take down an armed attacker...


disagrees:

www.soundonsight.org

And kudos to him, badass.
 
2014-06-08 02:53:11 PM

mofa: If everyone had a gun, they'd be shooting at "the shooter."  Who is "the shooter" when all these CCW citizens are shooting?


My guess is: the guy everyone else is shooting at.
 
2014-06-08 03:24:49 PM
The article mentions about $8,800 raised for their honeymoon. With my extensive practice in GoogleFu, I have found this fund raiser...

(I want to save people... could pay off my house...)

http://www.gofundme.com/9zzc58
 
2014-06-08 05:50:10 PM

Ivan the Tolerable: Secret Master of All Flatulence: mekki: Between this and the deputy at the courthouse, I see this as a tipping point. People are going to start fighting back using any means they can get.


Um, hate to point this out, but it's not a new thing.  In fact, several shootings have been stopped by people going to their vehicles and retrieving their personal sidearms, and then using them to take down the shooter.  Some involved staff, some involved, (oh, how terrible!) STUDENTS who had guns legally in their vehicles.

not only are school shootings not a new thing, they are generally decreasing in frequency.

/no matter how many times news people tell you school shootings are new, an american thing, or that columbine or sandy hook were the largest school massacres, just think that sandy hook was only in third place and columbine fifth. in the united states. the biggest here was in 1927. go worldwide and only one of those two american shootings even makes the top ten list.

//but, i am sure someone on fark will argue that they only happen here, now, and we need to ban something because of it.


I think you're making a valid point, albeit in a bad way.  You cannot compare situations like Beslan or even Ma'alot with an incident like Columbine.  People can debate the domestic terrorism aspect when it comes to things like Columbine or VaTech, but it's a lose-lose debate.  I think you need to differentiate between an act of terrorism like Beslan and Ma'alot and a school shooting like Columbine, VaTech and Sandy Hook.

Ultimately whatever message the people at Beslan are trying to send, or whatever message Lanza at Sandy Hook were trying is of little consequence to the dead children, but there's a larger political message to the incidents like Beslan.

The bigger concern for me, is that nearly every expert in terrorism has agreed that Beslan was seen as a rehearsal for an attack inside the United States of a similar scale.  Russian Special Forces are as good as they come, especially the Alfa and Vympel units that assaulted the school.  There's no real comparison in United States civilian or federal law enforcement.  The closest would be the FBI Hostage Rescue Team, but their ROE and the laws that govern them are drastically different than what Alfa and Vympel had to deal with at Beslan.

I trained at Quantico a a few months after Beslan with some HRT, NYPD ESU, NYSP SORT and various other federal agencies at a Hostage Rescue course taught by a couple Delta guys.  We got to talking about Beslan and the Delta guys said that the Tier One units in the US have been training for just that scenario for years.  When the whole debate about using military units in a law enforcement role came about, one of the Delta guys smiled slightly and said something along the lines of "we can put on jackets that say FBI just as easily as FBI agents can."
 
2014-06-08 08:33:35 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I think you're making a valid point, albeit in a bad way.  You cannot compare situations like Beslan or even Ma'alot with an incident like Columbine.


i wasn't . i specifically left out anything that even smelled political or of civil war or terror. just among individual deluded nutjobs, we have plenty of examples. america has neither a new nor unique perspective, as individual loners have been sniping at kids, blowing up schools or roasting classes of small children with homemade flamethrowers in many countries for many years without any political motivation whatsoever.
 
2014-06-08 09:11:16 PM

blottoman: Loreweaver: ...

21 feet.

That is the distance from which a person with a bat, knife, or pepper spray can close in and take down an armed attacker...

disagrees:

[www.soundonsight.org image 398x269]

And kudos to him, badass.


Wild West showdowns do not apply.

The "21 feet rule" is in reference to an armed attacker who is reloading or is not focused on you. Inside of that distance, an armed attacker doesn't have the reaction time needed to fire off a shot before you can get close enough to use a contact weapon such as a bat, taser, pepper spray, etc.

It is still risky, to be sure, but if you are in a situation like that, where you know that you or your friends/family are going to get shot no matter what, it may be your best option to at least try to take down the gunman.

/ Previous stepfather pulled a gun on my mother, in front of us kids.
// He ended up storming out of the house when we each immediately grabbed the nearest heavy/sharp object
// If he had pulled that trigger, he would have never made it out the door
/// Yes, I was prepared to end that miserable bastard's life that night, gun or no gun
 
2014-06-08 10:15:24 PM

Loreweaver: blottoman: Loreweaver: ...

21 feet.

That is the distance from which a person with a bat, knife, or pepper spray can close in and take down an armed attacker...

disagrees:

[www.soundonsight.org image 398x269]

And kudos to him, badass.

Wild West showdowns do not apply.

The "21 feet rule" is in reference to an armed attacker who is reloading or is not focused on you. Inside of that distance, an armed attacker doesn't have the reaction time needed to fire off a shot before you can get close enough to use a contact weapon such as a bat, taser, pepper spray, etc.

It is still risky, to be sure, but if you are in a situation like that, where you know that you or your friends/family are going to get shot no matter what, it may be your best option to at least try to take down the gunman.

/ Previous stepfather pulled a gun on my mother, in front of us kids.
// He ended up storming out of the house when we each immediately grabbed the nearest heavy/sharp object
// If he had pulled that trigger, he would have never made it out the door
/// Yes, I was prepared to end that miserable bastard's life that night, gun or no gun


21 feet is the measured distance from which a person with an edged weapon can advance and attack a police officer (that was the parameter of the study) before the officer can unholster and fire.  That's all the study was for, but it's been hijacked over the years for several other things in the self-defense world.
 
2014-06-09 02:14:30 AM

Aeonite: This seems to be the part of the story that people are skipping:

He was reloading his shotgun when Meis, a volunteer security guard, saw an opening.

This is why "military style rifles" and high-capacity magazines and drums are different from normal hunting weapons. A guy who has to stop after 5 or 6 shots to reload one shell at a time is not as dangerous as a guy who can fire 30 rounds and then slap a new magazine in as he looks for more targets.

Assuming you're not out to mass murder people to get on the news, the only reason you need to carry an AR-15 into Target is because you have a small penis and/or some idea that if the government really WAS after you that you could somehow shoot your way out in a blaze of gunfire without hitting a single innocent bystander.


You are making a lot of assumptions here. You don't know much about shotguns, do you?

1) There are AK-47 style shotguns that use removable magazines. They are not some rare curiosity piece, but were very inexpensive and popular for a few years before Obama fear drove the price through the roof.

2) A pump action shotgun (most likely weapon here) is like having a bottomless magazine (clip for those of you in the media). I can go duck hunting with a pump shotgun like the legendary Remington 870 with a plug in the magazine restricting me to 3 shots, and I can shoot at a flock of 20 ducks without once having to stop to reload.  You can jack a shotshell into the magazine as quick as you can shoot them.  You'd have to be awfully unfamiliar with shotguns to think you had to empty the shotgun before reloading.

3) A semi-automatic shotgun? See #2 above.

4) In fact, I'd say a pump action shotgun is probably the most deadly kind of weapon for close quarters sustained firing.

5) Mace hero is a lucky man. A shooter familiar with a shotgun would have never given him a chance. Good for him, but it is foolish to extrapolate his success any other mass shooting scenario.

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