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2014-06-07 11:34:24 AM  
The Winner
Based on the evidence presented so far in these short clips, Quicksilver is faster. Much faster. Zoom-fast.


Well, if it's any consolation to DC fans, Flash is infinitely gayer.
 
2014-06-07 11:48:25 AM  
That was a lot of ass making out of you and me.
 
2014-06-07 11:54:07 AM  
Superman was seen going so fast the planet spins backwards.
 
2014-06-07 12:08:19 PM  
Well, in the more recent Marvel/DC crossovers, DC seems to insist that THEIR universe is better (DC cities must be bigger, and their heroes more awesome, and any copycat Marvel characters must be pale imitations to our DC Master Race versions).

But to go into Geek Mode for a moment without reading the article, the answer is simple. In the DC Universe, it would be Flash being faster since he's tapping into the "Speed Force". In an other universe where the SF isn't available, Quicksilver can rocket past Barry's ass.

static.comicvine.com

But if you REALLY wanna know who is the fastest of them all.......

diaryofacomicbookgoddess.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-07 12:19:43 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Well, in the more recent Marvel/DC crossovers, DC seems to insist that THEIR universe is better (DC cities must be bigger, and their heroes more awesome, and any copycat Marvel characters must be pale imitations to our DC Master Race versions).

But to go into Geek Mode for a moment without reading the article, the answer is simple. In the DC Universe, it would be Flash being faster since he's tapping into the "Speed Force". In an other universe where the SF isn't available, Quicksilver can rocket past Barry's ass.

[static.comicvine.com image 850x310]

But if you REALLY wanna know who is the fastest of them all.......

[diaryofacomicbookgoddess.files.wordpress.com image 500x316]


This. You would think reporters would be capable of a simple Google search.
 
2014-06-07 01:05:55 PM  
www.splitreason.com
 
2014-06-07 04:39:47 PM  
There's a lot of "I'm just guessing here" and "Didn't see any of the movies" and "using a clip I found on the internet"

I think I'm going to wait for a peer reviewed paper to do the work on this one, nerds.
 
2014-06-07 05:19:06 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Well, in the more recent Marvel/DC crossovers, DC seems to insist that THEIR universe is better (DC cities must be bigger, and their heroes more awesome, and any copycat Marvel characters must be pale imitations to our DC Master Race versions).

But to go into Geek Mode for a moment without reading the article, the answer is simple. In the DC Universe, it would be Flash being faster since he's tapping into the "Speed Force". In an other universe where the SF isn't available, Quicksilver can rocket past Barry's ass.

But if you REALLY wanna know who is the fastest of them all.......


One thing...

That's Wally. No one cares about Barry.

Though before the speed force, Wally and Quicksilver were roughly even at about the speed of sound.
 
2014-06-07 05:25:42 PM  
What did I miss? I always thought Quicksilver maxed out at a few mach at most?
 
2014-06-07 05:28:16 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: TV's Vinnie: Well, in the more recent Marvel/DC crossovers, DC seems to insist that THEIR universe is better (DC cities must be bigger, and their heroes more awesome, and any copycat Marvel characters must be pale imitations to our DC Master Race versions).

But to go into Geek Mode for a moment without reading the article, the answer is simple. In the DC Universe, it would be Flash being faster since he's tapping into the "Speed Force". In an other universe where the SF isn't available, Quicksilver can rocket past Barry's ass.

But if you REALLY wanna know who is the fastest of them all.......

One thing...

That's Wally. No one cares about Barry.

Though before the speed force, Wally and Quicksilver were roughly even at about the speed of sound.


In the JLA Avengers crossover, When Flash traveled to Earth Marvel, he had no speed force to draw off from.

However- in the Marvel vs DC it was plain to that Quicksilver was slower.
 
2014-06-07 05:35:43 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: What did I miss? I always thought Quicksilver maxed out at a few mach at most?


Movie QS and Ultimate QS move faster than that. Not sure about 616 QS anymore though.
 
2014-06-07 05:36:14 PM  
Yeah, but who is faster between FoX Men Quicksilver And Avengers Quicksilver? Either way, I hope the Avengers guy wears running shoes instead of a weird steam punk get up.
 
2014-06-07 05:47:17 PM  
comicmegastore.com
 
2014-06-07 05:51:24 PM  
Yeah this article sucks.

Both characters had to be HOLDING BACK in these scenes, impressive as they were.  To really answer the question, you'd have to have them both going flat out on a drag strip, where there's no need to change direction, stop, etc etc.  You know, like the little kid said.

Also, where the sonic boom and slipstream of either one going hypersonic wouldn't wreck shiat.  Seriously, Quicksilver going that fast in the enclosed room should have killed everybody.

He certainly killed every single one of the guards.  Messily.

(that look on Charles's face?  He could see what was left of the guy that took a dinner plate thrown faster than a bullet)
 
2014-06-07 05:54:53 PM  
They both lose.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-07 05:55:02 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Well, in the more recent Marvel/DC crossovers, DC seems to insist that THEIR universe is better (DC cities must be bigger, and their heroes more awesome, and any copycat Marvel characters must be pale imitations to our DC Master Race versions).

But to go into Geek Mode for a moment without reading the article, the answer is simple. In the DC Universe, it would be Flash being faster since he's tapping into the "Speed Force". In an other universe where the SF isn't available, Quicksilver can rocket past Barry's ass.

But if you REALLY wanna know who is the fastest of them all.......


Nailed it. Speed Force equals fast as impossibly possible.
 
2014-06-07 05:58:16 PM  
Answer: They're as fast as the story needs them to be.
 
2014-06-07 06:06:16 PM  
Isn't the Flash capable of moving his own molecules so fast that he can pass through solid objects? Like... he can literally vibrate faster than the speed of light?

And Quicksilver is just pissed off that everyone else is slower than him.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-07 06:08:17 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: What did I miss? I always thought Quicksilver maxed out at a few mach at most?


In Days of Future Past (the new movie) Quicksilver has a 'fight' scene which is minutes long. He races around the room, and everyone is in standstill. Bullets fired before he takes off take 2-3 minutes to reach their mark.  While they are going, he runs around the room and repositions all the generic goon guards, and taps the bullets out of the way, while clowning around etc.

I think this spawned a lot of 'just how fast is this character' from people who saw the movies. It was, hands down, the best fight scene in the movie (and one of the best I've seen in a long time if I'm honest). But to do that, he'd have to be moving fast enough that bullets moving roughly 700 ft/second take 2 minutes to travel 5 feet.

Honestly, I don't feel like doing the math right now, but...that's fast.  Seems like it would have to be significantly faster than speed of sound?
 
2014-06-07 06:17:46 PM  

Ishkur: Isn't the Flash capable of moving his own molecules so fast that he can pass through solid objects? Like... he can literally vibrate faster than the speed of light?

And Quicksilver is just pissed off that everyone else is slower than him.


The explanation is he can vibrate his molecules fast enough to slip them between the molecules of other objects... Or something like that.

Wally Flash also had the added bonus of blowing things up when he vibrated through them.
 
2014-06-07 06:24:00 PM  
So why do Fox and Marvel have shared visitation rights with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?
 
2014-06-07 06:32:58 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So why do Fox and Marvel have shared visitation rights with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?


Fox has rights because they're mutants and Magneto's kids. Marvel has rights because they are both prominent members of the Avengers. Fox can use them so long as they do not mention the Avengers and Marvel can use them as long as they do not mention them being mutants or Magento's offspring.
 
2014-06-07 06:34:58 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So why do Fox and Marvel have shared visitation rights with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?


IIRC, it's because they've been both Avengers and X-Men (Created in X-Men, but a long history with the Avengers since 1965 or so). So, both camps have a valid claim on them. However, in The Avengers movies, they can't be called "mutants", since Fox has "Mutant" all tied up for the movies.
 
2014-06-07 06:37:01 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So why do Fox and Marvel have shared visitation rights with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?


Fox got the rights to all 'Mutant' characters with the rights to X-Men. This includes Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch

Marvel still retains the rights to everyone else. And Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are better known as Avengers than mutants, becasue they rarely appeared in X-Men books compared to their Avengers appearances. Marvel can use them, they just can't use the 'M' word in conjunction with them.


Also, the article sucks. Flash has forever been faster then Quicksilver, even without the Speed Force. Quicksilver's never traveled through time or approached the speed of light like Flash did regularly before the Speed Force was even brought into the comics.
 
2014-06-07 06:48:06 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Jaden Smith First of His Name: So why do Fox and Marvel have shared visitation rights with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?

Fox got the rights to all 'Mutant' characters with the rights to X-Men. This includes Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch

Marvel still retains the rights to everyone else. And Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are better known as Avengers than mutants, becasue they rarely appeared in X-Men books compared to their Avengers appearances. Marvel can use them, they just can't use the 'M' word in conjunction with them.


Also, the article sucks. Flash has forever been faster then Quicksilver, even without the Speed Force. Quicksilver's never traveled through time or approached the speed of light like Flash did regularly before the Speed Force was even brought into the comics.


Quicksilver, for instance, has never to my knowledge travelled through time by use of his superspeed. But maybe in the DC universe the time barrier is made of pudding, because even superman can break it.
 
2014-06-07 07:06:04 PM  
Pre-

Fano: Quicksilver, for instance, has never to my knowledge travelled through time by use of his superspeed. But maybe in the DC universe the time barrier is made of pudding, because even superman can break it.


Pre-Crisis of Infinite Earths maybe, but I can't recall any unassisted Superman time travel in post-Crisis or New 52 Superman.
 
2014-06-07 07:28:03 PM  
So if he's throwing out events in comics and just going by what's been shown on screen, how about they wait until they've actually aired a Flash episode or two (fark the 90s tv show) before trying to come up with that judgement. Or he could have used what's been shown in the cartoons, in which case I seem to remember Flash getting damned close to the speed of light in the JLU episode Divided We Fall.
I don't think Quicksilver has done that.
 
2014-06-07 07:36:27 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Jaden Smith First of His Name: So why do Fox and Marvel have shared visitation rights with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch?

IIRC, it's because they've been both Avengers and X-Men (Created in X-Men, but a long history with the Avengers since 1965 or so). So, both camps have a valid claim on them. However, in The Avengers movies, they can't be called "mutants", since Fox has "Mutant" all tied up for the movies.


This. Hopefully, the "Avengers" take on Quicksilver is done as well the DoFP's; DoFP pegged Quicksilver's ... mischievous nature.
 
2014-06-07 07:39:53 PM  
If it's a fictional character, you make it do anything.
 
2014-06-07 08:04:18 PM  
Answer: The goddamn Batman, since he would just figure out a way to eliminate everyone faster than he is.
 
2014-06-07 08:13:56 PM  

docmattic: Answer: The goddamn Batman, since he would just figure out a way to eliminate everyone faster than he is.


If DC Comics were still in business, I would have liked to see a book in which 24 different artists do 24 different splash pages of how the real superheroes would utterly destroy Batman before he even had a chance to grab his Bat Shark Repellant out of his utility belt.

Flash and Superman both just leave a red stain, Wonder Woman choles him to death with a lasso, Aquaman has a shark eat him, The Atom pulls a Jean Loring and walks on his brain, and so on and so on.

/Batman: highly overrated and a creator's favorite Mary Sue since Grant Morrison first wrote him that way in 1997.
 
2014-06-07 08:19:46 PM  

Mrbogey: If it's a fictional character, you make it do anything;  Within the established context of the character.


FTFY.

The problem is this author deliberately limited the scope of his research to try to make a point.  And ignored or dismissed the possiblity that the universal constants are not the same in DC and Marvels worlds.
(It appears that in DC comics the speed of light is not a limiting factor, and in Marvel comics it is but there are more ways to get around the limit and/or light itself moves faster).

Because if you look at examples of both characters as explained in their respective universes:

DC:
Flash (Barry Allen) could routinely run close to the speed of light and occasionally beyond.
Flash (Wally West) (after Crisis on Infinite Earths),  had to relearn and train to augment his abilities to Barry Allen levels, but eventually matched and in some ways exceeded them.
(Other Flash like speedsters), varying degrees of speed coming close to that of Barry Allen/Wally West but harder for them to maintain.

Marvel:
Quicksilver classic:  Supersonic speeds, possibly Hypersonic.

Quicksilver Ultimate:  Hypersonic to sub-light the longer he had time to build up speed.
Quicksilver in DOFP:  Unknown  but possible time-shifting abilities along with or enhancing his speed.

Flash is faster,  Quicksilver has a little more street cred.
 
2014-06-07 08:21:15 PM  

Fano: Quicksilver, for instance, has never to my knowledge travelled through time by use of his superspeed


He has, actually. He went to the Inhumans, and used the Mists of Terrigen. He succeeded in gaining new and fantastic powers, which included being able to move his molecules so fast that he could travel in time. (from marvel.com)
 
2014-06-07 08:33:00 PM  
Isn't Northstar capable of flying 99.999~% the speed of light but cannot do so because collision with a dust speck would have nasty explosive results.
 
2014-06-07 08:33:16 PM  
All this talk of Quicksilver and The Flash, and nobody even cares to mention the other speedsters?

Whizzer (Squadron Supreme)
Whizzer (1940s version)
Northstar
The Runner
Whizzer 2 / Speed Demon
Spitfire
Whiz Kid
Boundless

Of these, Whizzer (of the Squadron Supreme) and Boundless (of The Great Society) would be the only ones that are always evenly matched with The Flash, since they're Marvel copies of The Flash.

Whizzer
www.writeups.org


Boundless
img3.wikia.nocookie.net


Meanwhile, old-school Whizzer (from the Golden Age Marvel Comics) would be a match for Golden Age Flash:
dorkshelf.com


I never could figure out what that symbol on his cowl was supposed to be. A bird skull? I just don't know.
 
2014-06-07 08:47:39 PM  
Thought the fastest was some burried alien guy?
 
2014-06-07 08:48:26 PM  

Nix Nightbird: All this talk of Quicksilver and The Flash, and nobody even cares to mention the other speedsters?


I never could figure out what that symbol on his cowl was supposed to be. A bird skull? I just don't know.


Well, if you really want to get technical, which Quicksilver are we talking about?

The Zen Master of Speed?

img2.wikia.nocookie.net

Or Marvel's nutjob?

www.zak-site.com

/Oh, and that's probably a Mongoose on Whizzer's cowl, since he got his speed after a transfusion of Mongoose blood.

...no, really.
 
2014-06-07 08:53:56 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Nix Nightbird: All this talk of Quicksilver and The Flash, and nobody even cares to mention the other speedsters?


I never could figure out what that symbol on his cowl was supposed to be. A bird skull? I just don't know.

Well, if you really want to get technical, which Quicksilver are we talking about?

The Zen Master of Speed?

[img2.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x901]

Or Marvel's nutjob?

[www.zak-site.com image 275x336]

/Oh, and that's probably a Mongoose on Whizzer's cowl, since he got his speed after a transfusion of Mongoose blood.

...no, really.


I knew about the mongoose... I just kind of ignored that possibility because that REALLY doesn't look like a mongoose! Whoever designed his costume needed to visit a zoo.

upload.wikimedia.org

oops... hang on... here's a better picture...


img.fark.net


Yeah... I don't see a mongoose on that cowl. It still looks like a bird skull to me. Not to mention, the whole "mongoose blood" thing seemed to be based in a misconception, because they're really not all that fast. Sure, they're quick for a small animal, but they're not cheetahs.
 
2014-06-07 08:55:29 PM  
Also, don't you think that a creature called a "mongoose" should have been another type of water fowl? Canadian goose, grey goose, mongoose...
 
2014-06-07 09:09:38 PM  
Barry can travel through time, space, and dimensions by running on a treadmill. Quicksilver can run really really fast on a treadmill, but that's all.
 
2014-06-07 09:22:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee:  DoFP pegged Quicksilver's ... mischievous nature.



Nicest way I've seen to say "he's generally written as kind of a dick"
 
2014-06-07 09:25:25 PM  

Nix Nightbird: FirstNationalBastard: Nix Nightbird: All this talk of Quicksilver and The Flash, and nobody even cares to mention the other speedsters?


I never could figure out what that symbol on his cowl was supposed to be. A bird skull? I just don't know.

Well, if you really want to get technical, which Quicksilver are we talking about?

The Zen Master of Speed?

[img2.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x901]

Or Marvel's nutjob?

[www.zak-site.com image 275x336]

/Oh, and that's probably a Mongoose on Whizzer's cowl, since he got his speed after a transfusion of Mongoose blood.

...no, really.

I knew about the mongoose... I just kind of ignored that possibility because that REALLY doesn't look like a mongoose! Whoever designed his costume needed to visit a zoo.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x589]

oops... hang on... here's a better picture...


[img.fark.net image 850x531]


Yeah... I don't see a mongoose on that cowl. It still looks like a bird skull to me. Not to mention, the whole "mongoose blood" thing seemed to be based in a misconception, because they're really not all that fast. Sure, they're quick for a small animal, but they're not cheetahs.


www.myuselessknowledge.com
I think it's to commemorate teaming up with Dr. Venom to kill badass Kwinn. The little weasel farker.
 
2014-06-07 09:31:10 PM  

Nix Nightbird: All this talk of Quicksilver and The Flash, and nobody even cares to mention the other speedsters?

Whizzer (Squadron Supreme)
Whizzer (1940s version)
Northstar
The Runner
Whizzer 2 / Speed Demon
Spitfire
Whiz Kid
Boundless


Hey! Don't forget Jenni!
community.mania.com
 
2014-06-07 09:33:35 PM  
The one thing Quicksilver has on the Flash is that, as a Mutant, his body rebounds from energy expenditure almost instantly.  Since a good number of DC speedsters have granted ability, they need to eat a small boatload of calories to replace what they burn up.  I remember in an issue of Wally's early run in the red long-johns that one of his friends had to turn away while he ate several orders of burgers and fries at high speed.  It wasn't disgusting, just disturbing.
 
2014-06-07 09:34:52 PM  
Neither compare to the sheer sprint and speed of a nerd racing to a keyboard to complain about something that, in the grand scheme of things, will be forgotten in less than a century..
 
2014-06-07 10:14:49 PM  
Flash has the Infinite Mass Punch.  Flash wins.
 
2014-06-07 10:27:29 PM  
Okay, from a pure physics standpoint, anyone have any idea how fast someone would have to be running to maintain a 90 degree angle to floor while running around the walls of a circular room?
 
2014-06-07 10:41:58 PM  

AaronSynn: Okay, from a pure physics standpoint, anyone have any idea how fast someone would have to be running to maintain a 90 degree angle to floor while running around the walls of a circular room?


V squared over r is the centripetal force term, but it's really the friction of his boots that is the variable. If he's in socks then he can run in circles as fast as he can but still would slide down vertically. If we simplify by imagining a hundred percent friction, meaning a hundred kilo guy would need a hundred kilos of sideways force to be moved, then you are going to need velocity equal to about three times the radius in distance, per second. So a revolution in two seconds.
 
2014-06-07 11:10:20 PM  

dangelder: AaronSynn: Okay, from a pure physics standpoint, anyone have any idea how fast someone would have to be running to maintain a 90 degree angle to floor while running around the walls of a circular room?

V squared over r is the centripetal force term, but it's really the friction of his boots that is the variable. If he's in socks then he can run in circles as fast as he can but still would slide down vertically. If we simplify by imagining a hundred percent friction, meaning a hundred kilo guy would need a hundred kilos of sideways force to be moved, then you are going to need velocity equal to about three times the radius in distance, per second. So a revolution in two seconds.


See:  'Wall of Death'.  It's not as fast as some folks think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUVXNeHa5EA
 
2014-06-07 11:23:44 PM  

Nix Nightbird: All this talk of Quicksilver and The Flash, and nobody even cares to mention the other speedsters?

Whizzer (Squadron Supreme)
Whizzer (1940s version)
Northstar
The Runner
Whizzer 2 / Speed Demon
Spitfire
Whiz Kid
Boundless

Of these, Whizzer (of the Squadron Supreme) and Boundless (of The Great Society) would be the only ones that are always evenly matched with The Flash, since they're Marvel copies of The Flash.

Whizzer

Boundless


Meanwhile, old-school Whizzer (from the Golden Age Marvel Comics) would be a match for Golden Age Flash:

I never could figure out what that symbol on his cowl was supposed to be. A bird skull? I just don't know.


Whizzer? Really? Sounds like power is peeing.

"God gave me a gift. I piss well. I piss very well."
 
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