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2014-06-07 10:27:16 AM  
If priests can be "off duty" now, why not let 'em get married?
 
2014-06-07 01:09:08 PM  
You can't serve God and Mammaries.
 
2014-06-07 01:14:21 PM  
If I remember correctly, a guy named Charlemagne set the standard for Priests not being allowed to wed -- a couple of thousand years ago, and he wasn't exactly a shining example of the religion himself.

You'd think that, looking back, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church would realize that this wasn't a real good idea, especially since the majority of the followers are married couples. Plus, every other version of the Christian Religion allowed their ministers to marry.

Over the years, a lot of good priests have left the calling because they fell in love and chose to wed.

Not being allowed to marry has more than likely heavily contributed to the current sex scandals within the church.
 
2014-06-07 01:21:41 PM  
There have been a few married Popes, so why not?
 
2014-06-07 01:23:14 PM  
Maybe they can compromise and allow marriage so long as the wife and other potential dependents have no rights of inheritance that is rightly due to the Church.
 
2014-06-07 01:25:00 PM  
This isn't for Roman Catholic priests - just Eastern Orthodox ones.  They're already allowed to marry in most dioceses outside of North American.

Rik01: If I remember correctly, a guy named Charlemagne set the standard for Priests not being allowed to wed -- a couple of thousand years ago, and he wasn't exactly a shining example of the religion himself.


It evolved over more time than just one French asshat sitting on a throne for 13 years.
 
2014-06-07 01:26:10 PM  

Rik01: If I remember correctly, a guy named Charlemagne set the standard for Priests not being allowed to wed -- a couple of thousand years ago, and he wasn't exactly a shining example of the religion himself.

You'd think that, looking back, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church would realize that this wasn't a real good idea, especially since the majority of the followers are married couples. Plus, every other version of the Christian Religion allowed their ministers to marry.

Over the years, a lot of good priests have left the calling because they fell in love and chose to wed.

Not being allowed to marry has more than likely heavily contributed to the current sex scandals within the church.


So, side question:

What's with some Farkers bold-facing entire paragraphs of their own comment posts? Are they supposed to be links, and just showing up as unlinked bold text on mobile?
 
2014-06-07 01:26:12 PM  

Rik01: Not being allowed to marry has more than likely heavily contributed to the current sex scandals within the church.


Calling them "sex scandals" is playing them down pretty significantly.  A "sex scandal" typically is having voluntary sex with a consenting adult that's not illegal but causes monocles to pop here and there.  What the Catholic church has is an institutionally-backed pedophile rape culture.  Which is kind of a different thing.

Do you have anything to back up your assertion that pedophile rapists typically stop raping young children because they're married?  Because so far as I know psychology and criminology don't really back you up on that one.

// Normally I wouldn't out-of-the-gate with this one just because the article mentions the Church, but third post in and you're implicitly trivializing a string of really terrible felonies so I figured I might as well be "that guy" this time.
 
2014-06-07 01:28:38 PM  
If priests could marry every night would be "let's try this thing I heard in confession..."
 
2014-06-07 01:28:48 PM  
It's going to happen.  The shortage of priests will ensure that it will.
 
2014-06-07 01:30:14 PM  

Rik01: You'd think that, looking back, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church would realize that this wasn't a real good idea, especially since the majority of the followers are married couples. Plus, every other version of the Christian Religion allowed their ministers to marry.

Over the years, a lot of good priests have left the calling because they fell in love and chose to wed.


I remember when I was getting married and had to go to Pre-Cana classes, led by a priest, guiding you through marriage. I remember thinking, "this is like me running an air pilot training class, having never even been on a plane. It makes just about as much sense."
 
2014-06-07 01:30:33 PM  
Problem is, its not easy for the church to accept that. The church is probably thinking about the potential financial hurdles from allowing priests to marry., and even if they allowed it, it would be probably short lived. The church can easily oancel it at the moment of a financial crisis
 
2014-06-07 01:31:41 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Rik01: Not being allowed to marry has more than likely heavily contributed to the current sex scandals within the church.

Calling them "sex scandals" is playing them down pretty significantly.  A "sex scandal" typically is having voluntary sex with a consenting adult that's not illegal but causes monocles to pop here and there.  What the Catholic church has is an institutionally-backed pedophile rape culture.  Which is kind of a different thing.

Do you have anything to back up your assertion that pedophile rapists typically stop raping young children because they're married?  Because so far as I know psychology and criminology don't really back you up on that one.

// Normally I wouldn't out-of-the-gate with this one just because the article mentions the Church, but third post in and you're implicitly trivializing a string of really terrible felonies so I figured I might as well be "that guy" this time.


*yawn*
 
2014-06-07 01:35:17 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Rik01: Not being allowed to marry has more than likely heavily contributed to the current sex scandals within the church.

Calling them "sex scandals" is playing them down pretty significantly. A "sex scandal" typically is having voluntary sex with a consenting adult that's not illegal but causes monocles to pop here and there. What the Catholic church has is an institutionally-backed pedophile rape culture. Which is kind of a different thing.

Do you have anything to back up your assertion that pedophile rapists typically stop raping young children because they're married? Because so far as I know psychology and criminology don't really back you up on that one.


Yeah... I chose to ignore that because not being able to marry doesn't make someone a pedophile rapist.

I suspect the issue there is the Priesthood unfortunately attracts pedophile rapists because it's a safe haven and they know they'll be able to indulge and be protected in a way they wouldn't anywhere else. Which is a shame, because there are far more good Priests than these horrible monsters... so what I can't fathom is why they have been provided safe harbor for so long.

Thankfully, that does seem to be something Pope Francis is addressing.
 
2014-06-07 01:36:55 PM  

Rik01: Not being allowed to marry has more than likely heavily contributed to the current sex scandals within the church.


Yes, because not being able to married means "I have to diddle kids" and not, say, something intermediate like "I have to diddle adults" or even something more mundane like "I have to go to towns that don't know me and try to score at last call" or "I have to patronize prostitutes". Nope, gotta go right for the kids, because I can't get married.

OK then.
 
2014-06-07 01:39:29 PM  
I can't believe that that there are this many comments and no one has pointed out that celibate means not getting married and rather than not having sex.
 
2014-06-07 01:41:32 PM  

slayer199: It's going to happen.  The shortage of priests will ensure that it will.


Seconded. Even if it's Eastern Orthodox now, it will open to the West, with a lot of strings and procedures in place beforehand.

/Peter had a mother-in-law
 
2014-06-07 01:42:04 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Maybe they can compromise and allow marriage so long as the wife and other potential dependents have no rights of inheritance that is rightly due to the Church.


Yeah, Fark keeps posting this rights-of-inheritance crap and it's tiresomely predictable libel.

The idea behind priests being celibate is that the Church holds that a married man's primary duty is to his family, whereas a priest's duty is to his congregation. So it becomes a huge conflict when there's a crisis-- e.g., some third-world country where a priest is the only thing literally standing between an armed guerilla group and the villagers; and even in ordinary, daily life for a priest-- most of the ordinary priests I've known in America work a minimum 16 hour day, and some of them do things like "forgetting" to pay themselves when the choice is between that and paying for a new roof for the church. You can't make those sacrifices when you have a family.

Mind you, while I'm undecided on the issue, currently I lean in favor of allowing priests to marry. I'm just throwing this out there because I'm tired of seeing people take cheap shots at what is largely a group of good human beings who willingly make a sacrifice few of the rest us would even contemplate, and not even for money or fame but so that they can spend their entire lives serving others.
 
2014-06-07 01:44:12 PM  

brimed03: I'm just throwing this out there because I'm tired of seeing people take cheap shots at what is largely a group of good human beings.


Since when are snake oil salesmen considered "good human beings"?
 
2014-06-07 01:51:00 PM  
This has been said more than once on Fark: Catholic priests of the Eastern Rite (as opposed to the Western Rite which is what most Catholics are) are allowed to marry. They're as Catholic as the Pope. There is no theological reason for celibacy; the basic idea is that if you have to chose between doing the right thing and cutting a few corners for your family, you couldn't expect a priest to not chose their family.

Married Anglican and Lutheran ministers who convert to Catholicism and want to be priest can do that, even if they are married.

Being celibate invites problems. Being married invites problems. Any married guy will tell you that.

Probably, if a married guy over 50 wants to be a priest, then that might be the way to go.
 
2014-06-07 01:51:13 PM  
persephonemagazine.com
 
2014-06-07 01:51:21 PM  

Kali-Yuga: brimed03: I'm just throwing this out there because I'm tired of seeing people take cheap shots at what is largely a group of good human beings.

Since when are snake oil salesmen considered "good human beings"?


If you buy a lot of snake oil and refuse to admit that you've been conned, you pretty much have to call the salesman a good human being at that point.
 
2014-06-07 01:53:09 PM  

Kali-Yuga: brimed03: I'm just throwing this out there because I'm tired of seeing people take cheap shots at what is largely a group of good human beings.

Since when are snake oil salesmen considered "good human beings"?


So long as we're not talking about those megachurch assholes, your average parish Priest is generally a good man who anyone can go to and have a kind ear and some wisdom.  The Bible is, if you don't take it literally and actually pay attention to Jesus' words, is not the worst way to live one's life. Most Priests are pretty kind and well-meaning; I think most rational people can see that, even if their message isn't for you.  (The same can be said of most faiths once you ignore the fringe kooks).
 
2014-06-07 01:56:37 PM  

Rik01: If I remember correctly, a guy named Charlemagne set the standard for Priests not being allowed to wed -- a couple of thousand years ago, and he wasn't exactly a shining example of the religion himself.

You'd think that, looking back, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church would realize that this wasn't a real good idea, especially since the majority of the followers are married couples. Plus, every other version of the Christian Religion allowed their ministers to marry.

Over the years, a lot of good priests have left the calling because they fell in love and chose to wed.

Not being allowed to marry has more than likely heavily contributed to the current sex scandals within the church.


Not really. Priestly celibacy arguments go back to the early church. Non-married church leaders in the Roman and post-Roman world were able to successfully convince the general public that they were holier than married clergy because they lived more like how Jesus himself lived and had fewer personal interests to protect. Politically, an unmarried and/or celibate priesthood was preferable for secular rulers because it prevented the emergence of a parallel locus of power and legitimacy with dynastic interests- no worries about a religious dynasty usurping your throne because Church authority can't be passed down through family lines (and claiming to do so would be tantamount to declaring yourself the second coming of Christ). Instead, the Church lent legitimacy to the crown and the crown showered a life of luxury on the senior leaders of the church.

Basically, the Roman Catholic priesthood served for generations as a large, powerful cartel of court eunuchs. If you suspected that there was anything wrong with you sexually (homosexual urges, pedophillic urges, excessive or inadequate sexual drive) the Church offered you a safe place where you could try to suppress or ignore whatever it was that was freaking you out. Medieval lives of the saints are full of women who went to insane lengths in order to avoid marriage and enter the church against the wishes of their family; that can partly be attributed to the pathological view of sex and virginity that emerged around the Virgin Mary cult but was also a totally practical move if you were about to (in essence) be sold to a rapist in exchange for cementing your family fortune.

Now that it's more or less OK to be gay, OK to not want to get married, and OK to have casual sex with whoever you want there are really only two incentives to become a celibate priest: you actually buy the arguments that the Church puts forth, or you're so uncomfortable with your own sexuality that you will do anything to avoid the scrutiny involved being a member of normal society.

The Church's arguments for celibacy boil down to: 1) it's how Jesus lived and 2) priests are better able to minister to their communities because they aren't distracted by their own families and have no one to provide for except the Church and the poor.

Point one is historically unverifiable. Jesus may have never married (since the Bible never mentions it), but that would certainly be at odds with the customs and practices of his time, even for popular religious leaders. The Bible doesn't specifically mention him having eyebrows either, but we assume he had them. There is no mention of eyebrows being around him in the Bible but there are several mentions of prominent female disciples either in the Bible or in the apocrypha, so we actually have more evidence suggesting he was married than we have evidence suggesting that he had eyebrows.

Point two has some merit, but breaks down when you realize that the pastoral counseling that most Catholics need has to do with their family and relationships. No one with an ounce of sense is going to ask a 70 year old virgin for advice on how to relate to their wife, nor is any sane woman going to ask them for advice on how to raise children.

New priests don't come from developed countries any more. They come from the developing world, where it's possible to still believe wholeheartedly in the counter-factual things that religion teaches and where putting a son into the priesthood is still an economic and intellectual step up for many poor people. Latin American has already slowed down. Once Africa stabilizes and begins to develop economically (don't hold your breath, but it may happen faster than we think thanks to technology and the developed world's declining tolerance for disorder) the supply of new priests dries up and the Church has to decide to either change or wither.
 
2014-06-07 01:57:11 PM  
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/too late
 
2014-06-07 02:01:54 PM  
If you get married, you are, by definition, not celibate.  Maybe you meant chaste?
 
2014-06-07 02:06:27 PM  

Lsherm: It evolved over more time than just one French asshat sitting on a throne for 13 years.


He was Frankish. The French had yet to even be thought of as a unique people by the time he died.
 
2014-06-07 02:06:45 PM  

serpent_sky: The Bible is, if you don't take it literally and actually pay attention to Jesus' words, is not the worst way to live one's life.


So if you just ignore ~90% of the book which is supposedly a divinely inspired instruction manual for mankind because those parts are obviously absurd, contradictory, or abhorrent, it's not the worst thing in the world?  That's really high praise.

At what point do you just find a philosophy that isn't irrational and incoherent instead of just ignoring the vast majority of it in an attempt to rationalize your indoctrination?
 
2014-06-07 02:11:58 PM  

serpent_sky: Kali-Yuga: brimed03: I'm just throwing this out there because I'm tired of seeing people take cheap shots at what is largely a group of good human beings.

Since when are snake oil salesmen considered "good human beings"?

So long as we're not talking about those megachurch assholes, your average parish Priest is generally a good man who anyone can go to and have a kind ear and some wisdom.  The Bible is, if you don't take it literally and actually pay attention to Jesus' words, is not the worst way to live one's life. Most Priests are pretty kind and well-meaning; I think most rational people can see that, even if their message isn't for you.  (The same can be said of most faiths once you ignore the fringe kooks).


The serpent speaks with a forked tongue.
 
2014-06-07 02:13:46 PM  
About time. One thing that always bothered me about religion in general were the almost random things they prohibited for no actual reason. I mean sure they gave you reasons, but even a kid could look at those usually symbolic reasons and call them bullshiat.

No meat on Fridays? No work on the Sabbath? No marriage or sex? Fasting? No pork or non kosher (whatever the hell that means) foods? Religious underwear? Circumcision? What the flying fark do any of those have to do with believing that there's a supreme being out there that started the whole shebang and worshiping it? Things like that are why I could never be religious, too much senseless bullshiat that was put into practice by some asshat throwing their personal values into the mix.
 
2014-06-07 02:14:43 PM  

adm_crunch: If you get married, you are, by definition, not celibate.  Maybe you meant chaste?


Actually, it also means abstention from sexual intercourse.
 
2014-06-07 02:16:21 PM  
Rik01:You'd think that, looking back, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church would realize that this wasn't a real good idea

It did help prevent dynastic succession.  Didn't prevent them from having kids, but the kids wouldn't really have a legitimate claim to their father's position.  Also didn't prevent nepotism, but it allowed quite a bit more independence and stability in the leadership (avoiding political marriages and limiting succession wars).

So, I imagine that it seemed appropriate at the time.
 
2014-06-07 02:17:51 PM  
Catholics are insane.

There was a recent editorial in my local paper bemoaning the decline of private confession as a Catholic rite.  It included a short history of confession.  In the beginning confession was a public ritual.  The priest and congregation together would forgive the sinner and welcome them back into the community.

Then came the rise of private confession, at the time something only expected of adults.  When it became common for male priests and female confessors to be in private together, the incidents of sexual impropriety exploded.  Leave men and women alone in private and sex happens.

Later the practice of private confession was extended to children.  It was at this time--the first time it was common and accepted for a priest to be alone with a child--that child abuse by priests became an issue.  Apparently whenever you have the widespread practice of Catholic priests being alone in private with members of a group of people, the priests have sex with those people.

So the conclusion of the article?  The decline of confession is a bad thing and the church should focus on growing the practice.

So let's see...you leave priests alone with women, and they end up having sex with those women.  You leave priests alone with children, and they end up raping those children.  And the solution is to have more people spend more time alone in private with priests?  That only make sense if your goal is more rape.

Catholics are insane.
 
2014-06-07 02:18:02 PM  

adm_crunch: If you get married, you are, by definition, not celibate.  Maybe you meant chaste?


In contemporary usage celibate and chaste are synonyms because society as a whole is no longer so obsessed with no getting married and not having sex that we need separate definitions for each aspect of what used to be called (no kidding) priestly continence.

That's right, the Catholic church regards priests having any form of sex as "sexual incontinence". Like maybe you need a sex diaper to prevent it because you just can't control yourself. And yet they wonder where they went off the rails...
 
2014-06-07 02:26:45 PM  

falkone32: Rik01:You'd think that, looking back, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church would realize that this wasn't a real good idea

It did help prevent dynastic succession.  Didn't prevent them from having kids, but the kids wouldn't really have a legitimate claim to their father's position.  Also didn't prevent nepotism, but it allowed quite a bit more independence and stability in the leadership (avoiding political marriages and limiting succession wars).

So, I imagine that it seemed appropriate at the time.


It also helped the aristocracy keep their riches by putting the youngest kids that would split the estate too much into a position where they couldn't claim any of it.
 
2014-06-07 02:27:00 PM  
There's always the American Independent Catholic Church, aka the Old Catholic Church.

Priests can get married, gays can get married, no opinion on birth control, and they don't believe in the infallibility of the papacy.  They're practically episcopalian.

Stepdad left his position as the head of our RCC school parish to marry my mom.  Did not stay at Catholic school much longer than that.  People were displeased.  He's a bishop in the AICC/OCC now.  Still technically a Jesuit, too- still signs everything Bishop Radarlove's-stepdad, S.J.
 
2014-06-07 02:30:11 PM  
Letting actual fathers become Fathers would end the pedophile thing overnight.

Well maybe two days. Some of them would die slower than others.
 
2014-06-07 02:30:18 PM  

Kali-Yuga: serpent_sky: The Bible is, if you don't take it literally and actually pay attention to Jesus' words, is not the worst way to live one's life.

So if you just ignore ~90% of the book which is supposedly a divinely inspired instruction manual for mankind because those parts are obviously absurd, contradictory, or abhorrent, it's not the worst thing in the world? That's really high praise.

At what point do you just find a philosophy that isn't irrational and incoherent instead of just ignoring the vast majority of it in an attempt to rationalize your indoctrination?


Dude, I'm not of any specific faith.

I just think Jesus' real message of love and forgiveness is a good thing....
 
2014-06-07 02:35:55 PM  

dv-ous: Letting actual fathers become Fathers would end the pedophile thing overnight.

Well maybe two days. Some of them would die slower than others.


Because a dad would never rape a child.

*looks at statistics stating that most child sexual abuse happens in the home between family members*

Wait, maybe we should think this one through...
 
2014-06-07 02:40:14 PM  
serpent_sky:

Dude, I'm not of any specific faith.

I just think Jesus' real message of love and forgiveness is a good thing....


1) How can you even claim to know what this Jesus persons "real message" was when all the things he was claimed to say weren't written down until decades after the fact, from hearsay evidence, by people with an obvious bias, and then translated, edited, re-translated, and voted on by the Council of Nicaea.

2) My original point still stands, why not find a philosophy that is actually rational and coherent while still teaching about love and forgiveness, instead of just cherry picking the parts that make sense and ignoring the rest?
 
2014-06-07 02:40:26 PM  

Kali-Yuga: brimed03: I'm just throwing this out there because I'm tired of seeing people take cheap shots at what is largely a group of good human beings.

Since when are snake oil salesmen considered "good human beings"?


You know what? You can't prove there isn't a god any more than they can prove there is one.

That makes your belief every bit as much an article of FAITH as theirs. Funny: it also makes your insistence every bit as much "snake oil" as theirs.

Eat shiat.
 
2014-06-07 02:41:13 PM  

radarlove: dv-ous: Letting actual fathers become Fathers would end the pedophile thing overnight.

Well maybe two days. Some of them would die slower than others.

Because a dad would never rape a child.

*looks at statistics stating that most child sexual abuse happens in the home between family members*

Wait, maybe we should think this one through...


So...by allowing priest to marry, we are only encouraging incestual pedophilia, which would just make matter worse.
 
2014-06-07 02:42:38 PM  

radarlove: *looks at statistics stating that most child sexual abuse happens in the home between family members with someone who is already in a position of trust*


FTFM- it's inaccurate to say that it's necessarily a family member, because sometimes it isn't, but 75%-90% of child rape happens between children and adults that they know and trust who are meant to be caring for them.

I still wouldn't trust somebody's dad alone with my kid, either.
 
2014-06-07 02:45:49 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: radarlove: dv-ous: Letting actual fathers become Fathers would end the pedophile thing overnight.

Well maybe two days. Some of them would die slower than others.

Because a dad would never rape a child.

*looks at statistics stating that most child sexual abuse happens in the home between family members*

Wait, maybe we should think this one through...

So...by allowing priest to marry, we are only encouraging incestual pedophilia, which would just make matter worse.


My point is more that allowing ANY adult, married or celibate, special private alone time with a child is risky and should be avoided.
 
2014-06-07 02:52:55 PM  

radarlove: Wasilla Hillbilly: radarlove: dv-ous: Letting actual fathers become Fathers would end the pedophile thing overnight.

Well maybe two days. Some of them would die slower than others.

Because a dad would never rape a child.

*looks at statistics stating that most child sexual abuse happens in the home between family members*

Wait, maybe we should think this one through...

So...by allowing priest to marry, we are only encouraging incestual pedophilia, which would just make matter worse.

My point is more that allowing ANY adult, married or celibate, special private alone time with a child is risky and should be avoided.


Including parents? Wow.
 
2014-06-07 02:54:39 PM  
brimed03:
You know what? You can't prove there isn't a god any more than they can prove there is one.

That makes your belief every bit as much an article of FAITH as theirs. Funny: it also makes your insistence every bit as much "snake oil" as theirs.

Eat shiat.


You really can't do any better than a fallacy of equivocation? Religious faith is an entirely different concept than the "faith" you claim atheists must have.

If I say that I believe that the Earth revolves around the Sun, it doesn't mean exactly the same thing as what you mean when you say you believe an invisible sky wizard made them both.  They are both beliefs, technically speaking, but they are not both faith.  One of those beliefs is based on empirical observation and science while the other is based on irrational wish fulfillment.

In reality very few atheists claim "God does not exist". In reality, atheists merely fail to accept the theists' claim "God exists" since the burden of proof lies with the believer and there has never been any compelling evidence or logical proof for this existence.
 
2014-06-07 03:11:08 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: radarlove: Wasilla Hillbilly: radarlove: dv-ous: Letting actual fathers become Fathers would end the pedophile thing overnight.

Well maybe two days. Some of them would die slower than others.

Because a dad would never rape a child.

*looks at statistics stating that most child sexual abuse happens in the home between family members*

Wait, maybe we should think this one through...

So...by allowing priest to marry, we are only encouraging incestual pedophilia, which would just make matter worse.

My point is more that allowing ANY adult, married or celibate, special private alone time with a child is risky and should be avoided.

Including parents? Wow.


You would trust someone alone with your child simply because they also had a child?  Wow.
 
2014-06-07 03:13:35 PM  

serpent_sky: Rik01: You'd think that, looking back, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church would realize that this wasn't a real good idea, especially since the majority of the followers are married couples. Plus, every other version of the Christian Religion allowed their ministers to marry.

Over the years, a lot of good priests have left the calling because they fell in love and chose to wed.

I remember when I was getting married and had to go to Pre-Cana classes, led by a priest, guiding you through marriage. I remember thinking, "this is like me running an air pilot training class, having never even been on a plane. It makes just about as much sense."


Yup I thought the same, farking waste of time.
 
2014-06-07 03:21:10 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You can't serve God and Mammaries.


Words of wisdom, guy, words of wisdom.
 
2014-06-07 03:27:36 PM  

ukexpat: serpent_sky: Rik01: You'd think that, looking back, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church would realize that this wasn't a real good idea, especially since the majority of the followers are married couples. Plus, every other version of the Christian Religion allowed their ministers to marry.

Over the years, a lot of good priests have left the calling because they fell in love and chose to wed.

I remember when I was getting married and had to go to Pre-Cana classes, led by a priest, guiding you through marriage. I remember thinking, "this is like me running an air pilot training class, having never even been on a plane. It makes just about as much sense."

Yup I thought the same, farking waste of time.


I think, for the Church, the bigger issue is a priest having kids. While your average parish priest having a few offspring and the resulting nepotism that may occur is small in scale, when you look at it from someone in a higher position of power (like a Cardinal, for argument's sake), it has the potential to cause problems. I know the idea of a chaste clergy is older than the 1500s, but I am fairly certain that the real crackdown on it was a result of the Borgias.

/history is a bit vague atm
//he would be Pope Alexander... VI?
 
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