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(STLToday)   CiCi's Pizza manager who skimmed to cover surgeries after her husband was injured in workplace finds out she was never a legal citizen. Fark: Franchisee fighting for her: "They're dropping her off with no money and no place to live or anything"   (stltoday.com) divider line 116
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2014-06-07 01:13:22 PM  
Article says she was stealing to pay her husband's hospital bills. Which leads me to my question. If she's married to a U.S. citizen, why are they trying to deport her? Is her husband not a U.S. citizen?

Something doesn't smell right here.
 
2014-06-07 02:33:08 PM  
Marrying a citizen doesn't grant you automatic citizenship.

I have a friend who married a British man and they've been working on getting him his citizenship for the last ten years and they're still working on it.
 
2014-06-07 02:33:25 PM  
She can work at Cici's Tom Yam Goong location.
 
2014-06-07 02:34:47 PM  
Another good question is how she got into a place of management without documentation that shows she is a US citizen. How'd she get a driver's license? Does she have a social security card?

Also, in the event she is deported as being a non-citizen, would she have a case to sue the IRS for taxes she has paid over the years?
 
2014-06-07 02:35:24 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: Which leads me to my question. If she's married to a U.S. citizen, why are they trying to deport her? Is her husband not a U.S. citizen?

Something doesn't smell right here.


Yeah, 'Justin Boyer' doesn't sound particularly foreign.

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com

Looks American to me...
 
2014-06-07 02:36:02 PM  
Why doesn't she just say she is Mexican?
 
2014-06-07 02:37:26 PM  
Let the woman stay. Deport the CiCi's Pizza for being horrible.
 
2014-06-07 02:39:22 PM  
Iguess Obama only cares about Hispanic dreamers.
 
2014-06-07 02:40:06 PM  
My first question is why she had to steal to pay for her husband's medical bills.  If it was a work injury, it all should have been covered by workers comp.

A few possibilities:
1.  it is still being contested
2.  surgery or surgeries were experimental and the wc carrier refused to cover them
3.  he's self employed and carried no workers comp for himself
 
2014-06-07 02:40:22 PM  
 
2014-06-07 02:42:03 PM  

RoosterCogburn: Another good question is how she got into a place of management without documentation that shows she is a US citizen. How'd she get a driver's license? Does she have a social security card?

Also, in the event she is deported as being a non-citizen, would she have a case to sue the IRS for taxes she has paid over the years?


She's at the age where getting a social Security Card and drivers license didn't require a birth certificate. I'm gonna assume her mother never got citizenship either. I'm not sure how the military guy got away with this- they usually examine and approve any marriages.

She'd still owe taxes for working in the USA. The amount may be different.
 
2014-06-07 02:42:10 PM  

Infernalist: Marrying a citizen doesn't grant you automatic citizenship.

I have a friend who married a British man and they've been working on getting him his citizenship for the last ten years and they're still working on it.


That's strange.  My wife was Brit and it took an N400 and 4 months.  Done deal.  She had a green card though.
Lesson: get green card first.
 
2014-06-07 02:42:30 PM  
If she was adopted by her step-father, wouldn't that confer citizenship?
 
2014-06-07 02:43:06 PM  

Aulus: My first question is why she had to steal to pay for her husband's medical bills.  If it was a work injury, it all should have been covered by workers comp.

A few possibilities:
1.  it is still being contested
2.  surgery or surgeries were experimental and the wc carrier refused to cover them
3.  he's self employed and carried no workers comp for himself


4. A lot of employers will pull any shiatty trick they can to weasel out of giving up one cent for the good will of their employees.
 
2014-06-07 02:45:17 PM  

Infernalist: Marrying a citizen doesn't grant you automatic citizenship.

I have a friend who married a British man and they've been working on getting him his citizenship for the last ten years and they're still working on it.


And worse for someone who was misled about their status, if you're caught here illegally, even if you could apply for citizenship, you're barred from doing so for years as a penalty. So in spite of all the rest of her family being citizens, she might just have to hang out in Thailand.
 
2014-06-07 02:45:25 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Aulus: My first question is why she had to steal to pay for her husband's medical bills.  If it was a work injury, it all should have been covered by workers comp.

A few possibilities:
1.  it is still being contested
2.  surgery or surgeries were experimental and the wc carrier refused to cover them
3.  he's self employed and carried no workers comp for himself

4. A lot of employers will pull any shiatty trick they can to weasel out of giving up one cent for the good will of their employees.


*cough*Snap-On*cough*
 
2014-06-07 02:45:42 PM  

tbeatty: Infernalist: Marrying a citizen doesn't grant you automatic citizenship.

I have a friend who married a British man and they've been working on getting him his citizenship for the last ten years and they're still working on it.

That's strange.  My wife was Brit and it took an N400 and 4 months.  Done deal.  She had a green card though.
Lesson: get green card first.


Yeah, dude was convinced he could do the paperwork himself and save himself a few thousand dollars.

Ten years later, he's still insisting that he can do it himself.

I always get the death glare when I ask her about it these days.
 
2014-06-07 02:46:16 PM  

HairyNevus: Google-fu reveals a bit more:

Dow was born in Thailand, brought to America with a green card by her US military step-father and mother, but she never applied for citizenship and didn't know until she got in trouble that she wasn't a citizen.
"We would drop everything, we would act like it never happened if they would not deport Dow," says Peterson.
Justin doesn't know when Dow will be deported, but he and their daughter may be moving be moving across the world.
"For my family to be together, whatever it takes," he says.

An official with Immigration and Customs Enforcement says a southeast Missouri mother is being deported to Thailand because her aggravated felony conviction results in revocation of her status as a permanent resident.
Boyer was issued a Green Card and could have applied for citizenship five years later, but the process was never completed.
She told Fox 2′s Anthony Kiekow that she believed she was a citizen until she got in trouble with the law.


Hispanics dreamers are arrested for far worse crimes and Obama won't deport.  Pratically have to rape or maim someone.  Non-violent felonies are not deported.  Sucks not being the right skin color for his targeted demographic group.
 
2014-06-07 02:46:50 PM  

Aulus: If she was adopted by her step-father, wouldn't that confer citizenship?


No.  Makes it easier, but even children have to go through the process unless they were actually born on American soil.
 
2014-06-07 02:47:00 PM  

Aulus: If she was adopted by her step-father, wouldn't that confer citizenship?


Yes, but obviously didn't happen.
 
2014-06-07 02:47:52 PM  
Oh, the unintended consequences of committing a felony. I'm having trouble feeling sorry for her.
 
2014-06-07 02:48:30 PM  

HairyNevus: Google-fu reveals a bit more:

Dow was born in Thailand, brought to America with a green card by her US military step-father and mother, but she never applied for citizenship and didn't know until she got in trouble that she wasn't a citizen.
"We would drop everything, we would act like it never happened if they would not deport Dow," says Peterson.
Justin doesn't know when Dow will be deported, but he and their daughter may be moving be moving across the world.
"For my family to be together, whatever it takes," he says.

An official with Immigration and Customs Enforcement says a southeast Missouri mother is being deported to Thailand because her aggravated felony conviction results in revocation of her status as a permanent resident.
Boyer was issued a Green Card and could have applied for citizenship five years later, but the process was never completed.
She told Fox 2′s Anthony Kiekow that she believed she was a citizen until she got in trouble with the law.


So basically she had every chance in the world to not get deported and still managed to get deported.
 
2014-06-07 02:49:18 PM  

RoosterCogburn: Another good question is how she got into a place of management without documentation that shows she is a US citizen. How'd she get a driver's license? Does she have a social security card?


Yes, the article says she has a social security card.  The husband was in the military, so it was probably easy enough to make up some story about why he didn't have a birth certificate for his "daughter" when he got back to the US.  Mom had to give birth in a Thai hospital and you know how those guys are with record keeping, I'm just getting back from a tour and lost the paperwork, etc.  So she was issued a social security card, and pretty much all other official documents (minus passport) are based on social security number.

RoosterCogburn: Also, in the event she is deported as being a non-citizen, would she have a case to sue the IRS for taxes she has paid over the years?


Yeah, good luck with that.  She has been using services in the US just like a citizen for the past 40+ years.  Plus, the IRS isn't known to capitulate and cut a check without a fight.  You'd need a lawyer and nobody is going to represent her pro bono.

Too bad her husband sustained his injuries before the ACA was enacted.  At least they'd have a shot at recovering.  Now they're farked for life.
 
2014-06-07 02:49:20 PM  

Infernalist: Aulus: If she was adopted by her step-father, wouldn't that confer citizenship?

No.  Makes it easier, but even children have to go through the process unless they were actually born on American soil.


Wrong.
http://www.childadoptionlaws.com/child_adoption_laws/adoption_laws_c hi ld_citizen_act.htm
 
2014-06-07 02:56:59 PM  
Is the farking hero tag for the franchisee on vacation? Can I buy CiCI's products online?
 
2014-06-07 02:59:06 PM  

HairyNevus: Pokey.Clyde: Which leads me to my question. If she's married to a U.S. citizen, why are they trying to deport her? Is her husband not a U.S. citizen?

Something doesn't smell right here.

Yeah, 'Justin Boyer' doesn't sound particularly foreign.

[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 620x620]

Looks American to me...


one never knows.....he could be Canadian.
 
2014-06-07 03:00:11 PM  
She told Fox 2′s Anthony Kiekow that she believed she was a citizen until she got in trouble with the law

You know who else thinks he's a citizen and disappears $24B from the US Treasury?.
 
2014-06-07 03:03:49 PM  
Arm Chair Analysis Go!

1.) Situation sucks for everyone involved.
2.) It would be interesting to see what the payment situation is with the husbands work injuries, but frankly that is an issue not germane to the one at hand.  Yes this is the inciting "if this wouldn't have happened none of this would have happened" incident, but tracing something like this where there are multiple points of failure involved so at the end we can blame "one entity" is dumb.  (It's also kind of the American way, figure out the one thing that would've stopped all this from happening and then pretend all subsequent incidents aren't the fault of the people involved in those steps.)
3.) Google Fu seems to indicate the Mother was issued a green card way back when her mother and step father came back to the US.  Frankly she was probably at an age where she lacked an understanding of the bureaucratic difference between green card and citizenship.  (One could probably assess blame to her parents, and possibly the way the current immigration system works if there isn't adequate "Hey, your green card is running out" notice in the current system.)
4.) Let's be perfectly clear on this point.  CiCi's is perfectly in the right on everything, she stole money.  She stole 51k.  This isn't knocking off a 7-11 for a hotdog and 3 packs of smokes.  (And no it isn't stealing a billion dollars either, but it is difficult to give the benefit of the doubt that when medical bills are paid back she'd stop if she'd never been caught.)
5.) We'd all like to know what the costs of running her household were so we can make sweeping pronouncements of whether or not we could "kind of understand in that situation."
6.) The amount of money she stole is a fair amount, the law is pretty cut and dry on what happens.


So Protips:

Don't incur medical Bills
Don't presume you're a citizen if you emigrated, verify that.
DON'T STEAL 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM YOUR EMPLOYER.

I mean, the situation sucks, don't get me wrong.
 
2014-06-07 03:04:55 PM  

tbeatty: Infernalist: Marrying a citizen doesn't grant you automatic citizenship.

I have a friend who married a British man and they've been working on getting him his citizenship for the last ten years and they're still working on it.

That's strange.  My wife was Brit and it took an N400 and 4 months.  Done deal.  She had a green card though.
Lesson: get green card first.


I'm assuming you're skipping quite a bit here. To be eligible to even apply for citizenship you need to have been a permanent resident or conditional permanent resident for at least 5 years. The process and paperwork for that for my Canadian wife took us around 12 months to get her into the country and another year or so to get her actual I-151. We haven't gone through the permanent resident to citizen process, but at least for her that seems to just be a matter of pushing some papers, paying some fees, and waiting for what's likely to be another 8-12 months. According to the USCIS website, my region's field office is so far past processing estimates that they tell you the date of the last N400 they managed to complete instead of an estimated processing time, and that one was from November of 2013.

Assuming a clean record (no history of arrests, didn't lie to enter the country, never violated a visa, never denied entry to the US) the entire process is just paperwork, fees, and time. But it's a lot of time and requires a lot of hand holding to make sure everything actually goes through. From filing I-129F to actual citizenship you can expect to spend hundreds of hours filling out or chasing paperwork, pay several thousand dollars in fees, and wait around 8 years.
 
2014-06-07 03:08:15 PM  

Infernalist: tbeatty: Infernalist: Marrying a citizen doesn't grant you automatic citizenship.

I have a friend who married a British man and they've been working on getting him his citizenship for the last ten years and they're still working on it.

That's strange.  My wife was Brit and it took an N400 and 4 months.  Done deal.  She had a green card though.
Lesson: get green card first.

Yeah, dude was convinced he could do the paperwork himself and save himself a few thousand dollars.

Ten years later, he's still insisting that he can do it himself.

I always get the death glare when I ask her about it these days.


My wife didn't want to do it herself either.  Wanted lawyer to do it.   I said nonsense and did it myself.  It's like 6th grade reading level.  It's less complicated than the test, and the test is a joke and Brits speak English.  It's a fill-in pdf and wasn't complicated.  After 10 years, they won't even check foreign stuff.  Ask the wife yourself all the questions and send in the check with the form (it was about $400 ).  I think they do the non-lawyer ones first.  Literally it was Sept submittal, January test, February swear in.  Unfortunately, the only crappy part was that the ceremony was the actual date and there was no way to make it official before the dog and pony show. (at least at a wedding, you can do JoP and then have party month later).
 
2014-06-07 03:08:32 PM  

DubyaHater: Oh, the unintended consequences of committing a felony. I'm having trouble feeling sorry for her.


The actual people she wronged have a different perspective.
 
2014-06-07 03:09:39 PM  

HairyNevus: Pokey.Clyde: Which leads me to my question. If she's married to a U.S. citizen, why are they trying to deport her? Is her husband not a U.S. citizen?

Something doesn't smell right here.

Yeah, 'Justin Boyer' doesn't sound particularly foreign.

[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 620x620]

Looks American to me...


Yeah, because you can totally tell if someone's a U.S. citizen by their name or the way they look.

/you dumbass
 
2014-06-07 03:10:49 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: Article says she was stealing to pay her husband's hospital bills. Which leads me to my question. If she's married to a U.S. citizen, why are they trying to deport her? Is her husband not a U.S. citizen?

Something doesn't smell right here.


She's not Hispanic.
 
2014-06-07 03:14:53 PM  
Supposedly, all sorts of things can screw up Green Card applications and citizenship applications.

Ten years or so ago, I knew a guy on an online politics/current events site who used to attack one of my nieces online on a regular basis, as she worked for a human rights group in the Middle East.  He was also trying to get a Green Card for his wife from Scotland.  After one particularly nasty attack on my niece in a post, I answered back with, "Saaaay, how's the Green Card Scam going?"

He went positively apeshiat, claiming I was trying to sabotage his wife being able to stay in the US and threatened legal action if that happened.  I laughed myself silly over that one.
 
2014-06-07 03:15:41 PM  
If she were Hispanic LULAC, la Raza, and all those others would be screaming. But Thai? Wrong kind of brown.
 
2014-06-07 03:15:50 PM  

RoosterCogburn: Another good question is how she got into a place of management without documentation that shows she is a US citizen. How'd she get a driver's license? Does she have a social security card?

Also, in the event she is deported as being a non-citizen, would she have a case to sue the IRS for taxes she has paid over the years?


You know how I know you didn't RTFA?

Much respect to the franchise owner. Not many people who get robbed to the tune of $50k will turn around and fight to keep the person who robbed them in the country, regardless of whether the robber took responsibility for their actions or not.
 
2014-06-07 03:16:45 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: HairyNevus: Pokey.Clyde: Which leads me to my question. If she's married to a U.S. citizen, why are they trying to deport her? Is her husband not a U.S. citizen?

Something doesn't smell right here.

Yeah, 'Justin Boyer' doesn't sound particularly foreign.

[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 620x620]

Looks American to me...

Yeah, because you can totally tell if someone's a U.S. citizen by their name or the way they look.

/you dumbass


No, but I wasn't stating it 100% conclusively, either. And a few comments down I linked to 2 articles that did state he's a citizen.

download.lardlad.com

Think Harder

 
2014-06-07 03:24:04 PM  
If you dont support this woman you are a racist. Somebody should do a kickstarter for her
 
2014-06-07 03:24:58 PM  
Would you rather be sent to prison or Thailand?
 
2014-06-07 03:25:36 PM  

RoosterCogburn: Another good question is how she got into a place of management without documentation that shows she is a US citizen. How'd she get a driver's license? Does she have a social security card?

Also, in the event she is deported as being a non-citizen, would she have a case to sue the IRS for taxes she has paid over the years?


No, you still have to pay taxes, citizen or not. The IRS does not care about your status or the means by which you produce income.
 
2014-06-07 03:25:50 PM  

Infernalist: Marrying a citizen doesn't grant you automatic citizenship.

I have a friend who married a British man and they've been working on getting him his citizenship for the last ten years and they're still working on it.


Is your friend my mother in law? Is this your friend's sixth marriage?
 
2014-06-07 03:25:57 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: RoosterCogburn: Another good question is how she got into a place of management without documentation that shows she is a US citizen. How'd she get a driver's license? Does she have a social security card?

Also, in the event she is deported as being a non-citizen, would she have a case to sue the IRS for taxes she has paid over the years?

She's at the age where getting a social Security Card and drivers license didn't require a birth certificate. I'm gonna assume her mother never got citizenship either. I'm not sure how the military guy got away with this- they usually examine and approve any marriages.


Examine and approve does not equal require spouses to get citizenship. Several of my friends have married women from other countries (Germany, Fiji, Japan, Korea, to name a few) and the spouses have opted for green cards rather than citizenship for them and their children. One such child is now in her 60's and is still a green card holder and not a US citizen, as was her mother for the 40+ years of her marriage to an American GI.

The only time it can be questionable (but still may not be entirely necessary, depending upon the situation and conditions) for the spouses of soldiers to obtain citizenship is when security clearances come into play. I had one soldier who needed a high-level clearance whose mother and wife were green card holders but not citizens. The wife was asked to pursue citizenship because of the nature of his job and the clearance required. We had other cases where wives were green card holders of soldiers with security clearances and we didn't give a shiat because the nature of their jobs and the clearances required to do them didn't really matter one way or the other. Fun fact: you need a 'secret' security clearance in the Army to be a mail clerk for your unit, so no, the status of your spouse's citizenship doesn't matter a damn for you to be able to deliver porn to some kid in the barracks.
 
2014-06-07 03:29:36 PM  
"Cici" means tit in Hungarian.

/no, not the bird
//I really have nothing to add just that I hope they make awesome pizzas
 
2014-06-07 03:30:18 PM  
She was stealing! She gets what she deserves
 
2014-06-07 03:31:08 PM  

Aigoo: RoosterCogburn: Another good question is how she got into a place of management without documentation that shows she is a US citizen. How'd she get a driver's license? Does she have a social security card?

Also, in the event she is deported as being a non-citizen, would she have a case to sue the IRS for taxes she has paid over the years?

You know how I know you didn't RTFA?

Much respect to the franchise owner. Not many people who get robbed to the tune of $50k will turn around and fight to keep the person who robbed them in the country, regardless of whether the robber took responsibility for their actions or not.


But they're still a corporation, so they're still evil.

/next month we'll probably hear the CEO used the word "gay" in a non-post-modern-hipster-ironic way
//then it will be WHARRGARBLE DESTROY THEM! THEIR PIZZA SUCKS ANYHOW!
 
2014-06-07 03:31:22 PM  

mikaloyd: If you dont support this woman you are a racist. Somebody should do a kickstarter for her



Huh?
 
2014-06-07 03:33:20 PM  
Ah, me so sorry, you here irregarry, you go home now okay?
 
2014-06-07 03:33:31 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: Article says she was stealing to pay her husband's hospital bills. Which leads me to my question. If she's married to a U.S. citizen, why are they trying to deport her? Is her husband not a U.S. citizen?

Something doesn't smell right here.


I am an American citizen, my wife is not (yet).  The process isn't automatic and I paid thousands of dollars jumping through all the hoops of obtaining a fiancee visa for her and then getting her a green card.  Literally the first question the immigration attorney I hired asked me was, has she ever been in the country illegally or has she ever broken any immigration law, etc.  That the answer was no made our case considerably easier, he said.

I feel bad for this woman, but unless you get all your i's dotted and your t's crossed in the precise fashion the government desires, they will not be sympathetic.
 
2014-06-07 03:33:59 PM  

tbeatty: Pokey.Clyde: Article says she was stealing to pay her husband's hospital bills. Which leads me to my question. If she's married to a U.S. citizen, why are they trying to deport her? Is her husband not a U.S. citizen?

Something doesn't smell right here.

She's not Hispanic.


See, that's the part that makes it weird... Oh right, you've got it into your head that Hispanics have an easier time with the legal immigration process.
 
2014-06-07 03:35:32 PM  

I Like Shiny Things: Why doesn't she just say she is Mexican?


lucky girl. I haven't looked onto the details but from the emails my father-in-law forward fwd fwd forwards me. Illegal immigrants get free housing food college tuition, loans they don't have to pay back (like the Eddy Murphy expose'), and all kinds of good stuff.  That's probably why they made her the manager.

Maybe it's a communist sleeper cell, but from China.
www.americancommunityinfrance.com
 
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