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2014-06-06 02:00:17 PM
They don't call him 'The Mountain' for nothing. Jesus.
 
2014-06-06 02:05:20 PM
That is an impressive slab of meat. Even more impressive are the four guys that beat him in that competition.
 
2014-06-06 02:11:03 PM
Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...
 
2014-06-06 02:13:34 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...


....I'd take your bet.
 
2014-06-06 02:29:42 PM
Bruce would have to be lucky every time, the Mountain (aka  Hafthor Julius Bjornsson) only has to be lucky once.
 
2014-06-06 02:30:33 PM

R.A.Danny: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...

....I'd take your bet.


I'd lay good odds, too.  He's demonstrated some good moves, and he can certainly take a hit.  Lee would dance all around him of course, and try to tire hime out - but honestly, the guy could just stand there and take the shots until Lee got too close and he took him to ground.  Then it would be all over, though hopefully not by head-smashing.

$10,000.00 on the Mountain at 10:1.  Anyone want a piece of that action?
 
2014-06-06 02:32:44 PM
I saw this video yesterday. I thought about it last night when I was deadlifting 1/4 that weight. I'm sore all over today.
 
2014-06-06 02:47:25 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: $10,000.00 on the Mountain at 10:1. Anyone want a piece of that action?


does it have to be a fair fight, or can I bring a bazooka?
 
2014-06-06 02:48:34 PM

ManateeGag: does it have to be a fair fight,


No such thing. Especially if that farker is coming after me.
 
2014-06-06 03:26:10 PM

ManateeGag: Benevolent Misanthrope: $10,000.00 on the Mountain at 10:1. Anyone want a piece of that action?

does it have to be a fair fight, or can I bring a bazooka?


Oh, that will just make him mad.
 
2014-06-06 03:26:42 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: R.A.Danny: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...

....I'd take your bet.

I'd lay good odds, too.  He's demonstrated some good moves, and he can certainly take a hit.  Lee would dance all around him of course, and try to tire hime out - but honestly, the guy could just stand there and take the shots until Lee got too close and he took him to ground.  Then it would be all over, though hopefully not by head-smashing.

$10,000.00 on the Mountain at 10:1.  Anyone want a piece of that action?


I'll take it, if they're unarmed. There's a reason weight classes exist in boxing and wrestling, you know.

Alexander Karelin vs Pacquiao? Karelin every time.

Karelin vs Jet Li? Chen?

They're fast, but he's no slouch. And if he gets hold of them even once, it's over. Remember, most fights are a few punches or kicks, and then they go to the ground. And the most savage wrestler who ever took the ring isn't an extra whose job it is to lose. He would get hurt, and then he would rip Lee limb from limb.

Unarmed. Armed is a different issue.
 
2014-06-06 03:30:41 PM
Better start by cutting him in half, so he's too short to lift you off the ground.
 
2014-06-06 03:43:10 PM
Vince mcmahon really needs to try to sign that guy.
 
2014-06-06 03:43:23 PM
I have seen small & nimble vs big & strong fights before. The big guy always wins.

The only shot for the little guy is to go after the knee/testis, but the big guy should be ready for that.
 
2014-06-06 03:45:46 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIq14nfHsHo
 
2014-06-06 03:56:21 PM

cannotsuggestaname: Bruce would have to be lucky every time, the Mountain (aka  Hafthor Julius Bjornsson) only has to be lucky once.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpJfeUwZQfQ
 
2014-06-06 03:57:24 PM

mr smart the great: cannotsuggestaname: Bruce would have to be lucky every time, the Mountain (aka  Hafthor Julius Bjornsson) only has to be lucky once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpJfeUwZQfQ


mr smart the great: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIq14nfHsHo


Movie fighting=/=real fighting.
 
2014-06-06 04:00:58 PM

CheekyMonkey: Movie fighting=/=real fighting.


Next thing I know you will tell me that porn film sex isn't realistic.
 
2014-06-06 04:04:24 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter.


Don't get cocky ... the viper was winning that fight.

WAS
 
2014-06-06 04:06:31 PM

madgonad: I have seen small & nimble vs big & strong fights before. The big guy always wins.

The only shot for the little guy is to go after the knee/testis, but the big guy should be ready for that.


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2014-06-06 04:19:20 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: R.A.Danny: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...

....I'd take your bet.

I'd lay good odds, too.  He's demonstrated some good moves, and he can certainly take a hit.  Lee would dance all around him of course, and try to tire hime out - but honestly, the guy could just stand there and take the shots until Lee got too close and he took him to ground.  Then it would be all over, though hopefully not by head-smashing.

$10,000.00 on the Mountain at 10:1.  Anyone want a piece of that action?


Yup, that's why there are weight classes in combative sports. In the movies a little guy can take out a half dozen larger men if he's really skilled, but in reality the odds are stacked against you big time regardless of your skill. This is pretty much why humans invented weapons.
 
2014-06-06 04:23:42 PM

lordargent: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter.

Don't get cocky ... the viper was winning that fight.

WAS


He would have won, if he hadn't been so obsessive about getting a confession.
 
2014-06-06 04:25:34 PM

Zavulon: lordargent: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter.

Don't get cocky ... the viper was winning that fight.

WAS

He would have won, if he hadn't been so obsessive about getting a confession.


What I don't understand is, why didn't Tyrion scream "KILL HIM, YOU IDIOT!" again and again?
 
2014-06-06 04:27:38 PM

Zavulon: lordargent: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter.

Don't get cocky ... the viper was winning that fight.

WAS

He would have won, if he hadn't been so obsessive about getting a confession.


That's what made it so bad, a few stabs to the face at that point and it'd be over, and he'd have done it with little more than a few scratches and bruises. Good illustration of what could happen in reality if you stopped mid-fight to give speeches though.
 
2014-06-06 04:28:19 PM
Pudz didn't do so hot in MMA. He, like any super-strong and primarily strength-trained athlete, had only about 90 seconds of fight in him before he shut down and became a punching bag.
 
2014-06-06 04:28:50 PM
Not that wrestling is real, however "Hulk" Hogan was only afraid of one wrestler, Andre the Giant and rightly so. He was relieved to find out that Andre was not going to kill him and lose like he was supposed to do. So yeah, you might get lucky, but if they get their mitts on you, you may end up looking like Prince Oberyan
 
2014-06-06 04:29:20 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...


But it wasn't an MMA match, it was a sword fight. Very different.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Zavulon: lordargent: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter.

Don't get cocky ... the viper was winning that fight.

WAS

He would have won, if he hadn't been so obsessive about getting a confession.

What I don't understand is, why didn't Tyrion scream "KILL HIM, YOU IDIOT!" again and again?


Some of his dialogue in the book was great during the fight.
 
2014-06-06 04:34:29 PM

nocturnal001: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...

But it wasn't an MMA match, it was a sword fight. Very different.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Zavulon: lordargent: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter.

Don't get cocky ... the viper was winning that fight.

WAS

He would have won, if he hadn't been so obsessive about getting a confession.

What I don't understand is, why didn't Tyrion scream "KILL HIM, YOU IDIOT!" again and again?

Some of his dialogue in the book was great during the fight.


Ah.  Haven't read that far yet.  I don't even watch - I have no HBO.  I've only seen what's been posted online.  So basically, I've seen Bran's fall, the Red Wedding and Martell vs The Mountain.
 
2014-06-06 04:41:34 PM
Small and sneaky is a winner, though.
I took down the 6'2" center of our hs football team by tripping him. After he dropped, I jumped on his elbow and broke his arm.

/5'1", 90 lbs
//sum biatch called me a nasty name
///wouldn't let him see my algebra test answers
 
2014-06-06 04:47:38 PM

pyrotek85: Zavulon: lordargent: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter.

Don't get cocky ... the viper was winning that fight.

WAS

He would have won, if he hadn't been so obsessive about getting a confession.

That's what made it so bad, a few stabs to the face at that point and it'd be over, and he'd have done it with little more than a few scratches and bruises. Good illustration of what could happen in reality if you stopped mid-fight to give speeches though.


He clearly didn't brush up on his Evil Overlord training prior to the confrontation
 
2014-06-06 04:47:49 PM
I just typed this all out and released you guys are taking about The Mountain (not the actor) fighting Bruce Lee.  That is kinda a meaningless debate, it's like Superman vs Batman or Star Wars vs Star Trek.  But if it was the actor guy fighting a mma fighter, then ...

 Benevolent Misanthrope: R.A.Danny: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...

....I'd take your bet.

I'd lay good odds, too.  He's demonstrated some good moves, and he can certainly take a hit.  Lee would dance all around him of course, and try to tire hime out - but honestly, the guy could just stand there and take the shots until Lee got too close and he took him to ground.  Then it would be all over, though hopefully not by head-smashing.

$10,000.00 on the Mountain at 10:1.  Anyone want a piece of that action?

Yup, that's why there are weight classes in combative sports. In the movies a little guy can take out a half dozen larger men if he's really skilled, but in reality the odds are stacked against you big time regardless of your skill. This is pretty much why humans invented weapons.


I would take that bet in a second.  I would mortgage my house to take that bet.  Weight classes exist in sport so people of similar skill levels can compete, but as far I know Hafthor Bjornsson doesn't have any combat training at all.  Bruce Lee (who weight about 130lbs) wouldn't be able to knock him out, but Lee had a good bit of experience grappling, and he would break very joint Bjornsson had while on the ground.  If it was a modern MMA fighter, it would be over even faster.  Example:

Hong Man Choi vs Ikuhisa Minowa

Hong Man Choi: 7'2 360lbs - Professional kickboxer with a decent record, turned to mma fighter - so some grappling experience too, but not much

Minowa: 5'9" 185lbs - mediocre mma fighter, but with a lot of experience and a very decent grappler

Skill trumps size 9/10 times.  It's only when skill level is similar that size really matters.  Brock Lesnar had a stories about getting his ass wup all the time by light-weights when he first started training, and he was an excellent wrestler to begin with.
 
2014-06-06 04:53:19 PM
Mountain would lose to Ditka.
 
2014-06-06 05:10:43 PM
I've read the books so knew what was coming, but still... damnit I liked him. Way to let your pride and overwhelming desire for vengeance ruin everything. Thanks a lot, Oberyn.

Yeah I've only just watched the episode. I'm going to pretend this is what happened.

That was a great scene though, I don't think I've ever been shocked by level of violence on TV before.
 
2014-06-06 05:40:14 PM

madgonad: I have seen small & nimble vs big & strong fights before. The big guy always wins.

The only shot for the little guy is to go after the knee/testis, but the big guy should be ready for that.


That is not even close to correct. Check out some of the old UFC (pre-Dana White) David and Goliath tournaments.
 
2014-06-06 05:48:17 PM
pyrotek85:
Yup, that's why there are weight classes in combative sports. In the movies a little guy can take out a half dozen larger men if he's really skilled, but in reality the odds are stacked against you big time regardless of your skill. This is pretty much why humans invented weapons.

I've seen this in action - from both sides.

I've had smaller guys start fights with me, and even the ones who had obvious martial arts training realized, very quickly, that "small and fast and trained" only goes so far against "large and moderately fast and sorta-trained." If they don't get that planned first disabling hit in, they're down to hoping they don't get caught as a strategy...

On the other side, I've had a few really large friends demonstrate just how easy it is to literally toss me around (6'1", 240 pounds). And by "really large," we're talking about as big as the guy in the story, though a couple of inches shorter. Yeah, a combat-trained 400-pounder with decent reflexes is pretty much a force of nature compared to any normal human, and almost all of the abnormal ones.

I saw a (monster-sized) guy break another guy's upper arms by grabbing them and snapping them like you'd break a thin stick.
 
2014-06-06 05:50:02 PM

madgonad: I have seen small & nimble vs big & strong fights before. The big guy always wins.

The only shot for the little guy is to go after the knee/testis, but the big guy should be ready for that.


Meh, there are other places.

Collapse the throat.  Don't care how much you work out, if you take a hard enough blow right in the adam's apple it's over.

There are a lot of pressure points that someone physically weaker can manipulate, because the "weaker" guy's arms are still stronger than the "stronger" guy's finger joints. A fist to the temple or nose can kill someone outright, no matter how bulky their pecs and biceps are.


Speed and intelligence(ie actual training and experience in real fighting) always trumps mere brute strength.  A lot of eastern martial arts is more artful/excercise than actual fighting, at least as far as most people experience it, so they don't necessarily qualify.  I've seen a lot of "trained" people start shiat and get put down almost instantly, because they think there are rules in fighting, or that a guy is only going to attack in a certain way, whatever....because what they're "trained" in is glorified yoga.

But back tot he topic at large, I've seen a lot of muscle bound meatheads get put down by average looking guys.  Sure, those guys were trained by the military or specialized law enforcement or are actual professional fighters(ie all with education and actual experience), but still, it happens.

Sure, you're partly correct.  You get two morons of average intelligence and experience, the stronger guy will probably put the other guy down.
 
2014-06-06 06:08:03 PM

omeganuepsilon: madgonad: I have seen small & nimble vs big & strong fights before. The big guy always wins.

The only shot for the little guy is to go after the knee/testis, but the big guy should be ready for that.

Meh, there are other places.

Collapse the throat.  Don't care how much you work out, if you take a hard enough blow right in the adam's apple it's over.


There are a lot of pressure points that someone physically weaker can manipulate, because the "weaker" guy's arms are still stronger than the "stronger" guy's finger joints. A fist to the temple or nose can kill someone outright, no matter how bulky their pecs and biceps are.

Speed and intelligence(ie actual training and experience in real fighting) always trumps mere brute strength.  A lot of eastern martial arts is more artful/excercise than actual fighting, at least as far as most people experience it, so they don't necessarily qualify.  I've seen a lot of "trained" people start shiat and get put down almost instantly, because they think there are rules in fighting, or that a guy is only going to attack in a certain way, whatever....because what they're "trained" in is glorified yoga.

You watch WAY too many movies and read WAY too much nonsense on the internet.
 
2014-06-06 06:09:19 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...


Bruce would be smart enough not to fight him.  They would go out for beers and have an enjoyable time.  The next day, perhaps they introduce their families.

Why's everything violence with you people?

;o)
 
2014-06-06 06:11:10 PM
I'm even more impressed by him doing it at his height, it's very difficult to dead-lift when you're that tall, that's probably why he was only 5th
/but he's no Vince Anello
 
2014-06-06 06:13:15 PM

Speaker2Animals: Mountain would lose to Ditka.


What if the Mountain's name was Gregor Ditka?
 
2014-06-06 06:19:57 PM

BigLuca: I just typed this all out and released you guys are taking about The Mountain (not the actor) fighting Bruce Lee.  That is kinda a meaningless debate, it's like Superman vs Batman or Star Wars vs Star Trek.  But if it was the actor guy fighting a mma fighter, then ...

 Benevolent Misanthrope: R.A.Danny: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...

....I'd take your bet.

I'd lay good odds, too.  He's demonstrated some good moves, and he can certainly take a hit.  Lee would dance all around him of course, and try to tire hime out - but honestly, the guy could just stand there and take the shots until Lee got too close and he took him to ground.  Then it would be all over, though hopefully not by head-smashing.

$10,000.00 on the Mountain at 10:1.  Anyone want a piece of that action?

Yup, that's why there are weight classes in combative sports. In the movies a little guy can take out a half dozen larger men if he's really skilled, but in reality the odds are stacked against you big time regardless of your skill. This is pretty much why humans invented weapons.

I would take that bet in a second.  I would mortgage my house to take that bet.  Weight classes exist in sport so people of similar skill levels can compete, but as far I know Hafthor Bjornsson doesn't have any combat training at all.  Bruce Lee (who weight about 130lbs) wouldn't be able to knock him out, but Lee had a good bit of experience grappling, and he would break very joint Bjornsson had while on the ground.  If it was a modern MMA fighter, it would be over even faster.  Example:

Hong Man Choi vs Ikuhisa Minowa

Hong Man Choi: 7'2 360lbs - Professional kickboxer with a decent record, turned to mma fighter - so some grappling experience too, but not much

Minowa: 5'9" 185lbs - mediocre mma fighter, but with a lo ...


Obviously, a highly trained fighter is going to be a very strong actor. But put said highly trained little guy up against an equally highly trained big guy, or even a not as highly trained big guy, and it's bad times for the little guy. I mean, someone like Alexsandr Karelin could kill Bruce Lee simply by falling on him.

That's why Hulk Hogan had to get all sorts of assurances before that famous fight with Andre the Giant. He was afraid he would make him mad, it would turn into a real right, and he would get killed.
 
2014-06-06 06:19:59 PM

omeganuepsilon: madgonad: I have seen small & nimble vs big & strong fights before. The big guy always wins.

The only shot for the little guy is to go after the knee/testis, but the big guy should be ready for that.

Meh, there are other places.

Collapse the throat.  Don't care how much you work out, if you take a hard enough blow right in the adam's apple it's over.

There are a lot of pressure points that someone physically weaker can manipulate, because the "weaker" guy's arms are still stronger than the "stronger" guy's finger joints. A fist to the temple or nose can kill someone outright, no matter how bulky their pecs and biceps are.

Speed and intelligence(ie actual training and experience in real fighting) always trumps mere brute strength.  A lot of eastern martial arts is more artful/excercise than actual fighting, at least as far as most people experience it, so they don't necessarily qualify.  I've seen a lot of "trained" people start shiat and get put down almost instantly, because they think there are rules in fighting, or that a guy is only going to attack in a certain way, whatever....because what they're "trained" in is glorified yoga.

But back tot he topic at large, I've seen a lot of muscle bound meatheads get put down by average looking guys.  Sure, those guys were trained by the military or specialized law enforcement or are actual professional fighters(ie all with education and actual experience), but still, it happens.

Sure, you're partly correct.  You get two morons of average intelligence and experience, the stronger guy will probably put the other guy down.


Loaded with bs that only karate/kung fu/tae kwan junk idiots believe.
 
2014-06-06 06:43:12 PM

mr smart the great: Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIq14nfHsHo


He's like the Oprah Winfrey of compound fractures. "And YOU get a broken limb! And YOU get a broken limb!!"

i1126.photobucket.com

"EVERYBODY gets a broken liiiimb!!!"

 
2014-06-06 06:44:36 PM

whistleridge: Obviously, a highly trained fighter is going to be a very strong actor. But put said highly trained little guy up against an equally highly trained big guy, or even a not as highly trained big guy, and it's bad times for the little guy. I mean, someone like Alexsandr Karelin could kill Bruce Lee simply by falling on him.


Well, Karelin was one of the best wrestlers to ever compete.  So, yes, I would say Karelin would win that fight.
 
2014-06-06 06:52:13 PM
I just want to say as a fellow 6'9" (did I hear a niner?) and only at 280 lbs this guy scares me.  I think its the fact that he could look me in the eyes while he crushes my skull that does me in.
 
2014-06-06 06:54:15 PM
I think I just found a couple more people that would scare me.  I clearly need to push harder at the gym these guys make me look small.

http://www.arnoldstrongmanclassic.com/competitors.html#
 
2014-06-06 06:55:18 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Being strong doesn't make you a good fighter. Look at Bruce Lee...he was a 98 lb. weakling compared to this guy. In a fight between the two, I'd put my money on The Mountain because Bruce is dead, but if he wasn't...


All else being equal, I'd go with Bruce.  All else is not equal.
 
2014-06-06 07:43:37 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge: Loaded with bs that only karate/kung fu/tae kwan junk idiots believe.


Bas Rutten was telling a story about how some scrawny ninjutsu guy came into one of his gyms with a small entourage of female admirers.  He was being snide about Bas's kickboxing and jiujitsu lessons.  At one point, Bas is demonstrating a chokehold, and the ninjutsu guy remarks to his ladies that he would "just pull his eye out" to escape.  Bas responds with "Okay, let's drill that."  They get in the position, and Bas says "Okay, before we start, if you touch my eyes, I'm gonna break your farking neck."  "Whaat??"  "If you touch my eyes I'm going to break your farking neck!"  Needless to say, Bas Rutten still has two eyes.
 
2014-06-06 07:59:24 PM
All you guys talking about MMA as if it's what a real fight would be like.

In a fight between Bruce Lee and the Mountain-- a REAL fight without rules or disqualifications-- Lee is free to attack eyes, throat, kidneys, mouth, ears, and groin. There's no ref calling any move "illegal" in a real fight.

I don't care how big and strong this guy is-- When the master of Jeet Kune Do strikes him in the throat, eyes, or balls, he's going down.

The way I see it, the big guy wouldn't get a paw on Lee before Lee crushes his throat with a well-placed kick.
 
2014-06-06 08:02:24 PM

omeganuepsilon: madgonad: I have seen small & nimble vs big & strong fights before. The big guy always wins.

The only shot for the little guy is to go after the knee/testis, but the big guy should be ready for that.

Meh, there are other places.

Collapse the throat.  Don't care how much you work out, if you take a hard enough blow right in the adam's apple it's over.

There are a lot of pressure points that someone physically weaker can manipulate, because the "weaker" guy's arms are still stronger than the "stronger" guy's finger joints. A fist to the temple or nose can kill someone outright, no matter how bulky their pecs and biceps are.

Speed and intelligence(ie actual training and experience in real fighting) always trumps mere brute strength.  A lot of eastern martial arts is more artful/excercise than actual fighting, at least as far as most people experience it, so they don't necessarily qualify.  I've seen a lot of "trained" people start shiat and get put down almost instantly, because they think there are rules in fighting, or that a guy is only going to attack in a certain way, whatever....because what they're "trained" in is glorified yoga.

But back tot he topic at large, I've seen a lot of muscle bound meatheads get put down by average looking guys.  Sure, those guys were trained by the military or specialized law enforcement or are actual professional fighters(ie all with education and actual experience), but still, it happens.

Sure, you're partly correct.  You get two morons of average intelligence and experience, the stronger guy will probably put the other guy down.



Yeah. I didn't see this before I posted, but yes. . . The human body is loaded with places that are vulnerable no matter how strong you are. If it's just Joe Average with some self-defense classes, he's probably screwed, but the challenge was Bruce farking Lee, and I honestly don't believe Lee would have any problem hitting Every Single Soft Spot on the Mountain's body before the Mountain could even take a few steps.
 
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