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2014-06-06 02:45:01 PM  
Interesting.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-06-06 03:00:04 PM  
*grabs popcorn*
 
2014-06-06 03:14:05 PM  
I know nothing about the source data, but I question its accuracy (besides it being 4+ years old)

Minnesota, for example, has a LOT of Asian immigrants, who, depending on who asked them, would say they are Christian or Buddhist / Traditional.

There are certainly many times more Hmong than there are Jews up here.
 
2014-06-06 03:32:49 PM  
Oh noes! Teh Sharia lawz!
 
2014-06-06 03:50:42 PM  
Convenience stores don't run themselves ya know.
 
2014-06-06 04:42:58 PM  
It's almost like they have some kind of common ground.
 
2014-06-06 04:43:09 PM  
Well that's probably where they get the idea that sekrit mooslems are taking over the place.
 
2014-06-06 04:43:34 PM  
South Carolina is getting a little Bahai in their work.


/Love that joke.
 
2014-06-06 04:44:12 PM  
I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.
 
2014-06-06 04:46:29 PM  
Alright, followers of the Donkey Goddess Brayhm.  We need to stand up and make our presence known.  Grab your Sacred Burritos of Loslobova and meet in our traditional place of worship (the bathrooms at the local laundromats)

Brayhmonites UNITE!!
 
2014-06-06 04:47:16 PM  

Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.


Beat me to it.
 
2014-06-06 04:47:35 PM  

Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.


Catholics are nominally Christian.
 
2014-06-06 04:47:44 PM  
Wrong. The second most popular religion in the South is Church's Chicken.
 
2014-06-06 04:47:52 PM  
Thank gawd. Keep that pink crap away.
 
2014-06-06 04:48:19 PM  
Mormons couldn't even carry their own state?  For shame!  Wasn't really expecting Scientology to carry FL either.
 
2014-06-06 04:48:44 PM  
not surprising being that muslim is the fastest growing religion in the world, and quite possibly the most popular.
 
2014-06-06 04:48:55 PM  
lots of black muslims. Nation of Islam, etc.
 
2014-06-06 04:49:18 PM  
Wait...there are more Muslims than Jews in Florida? Interesting.
 
2014-06-06 04:49:42 PM  

Sybarite: Interesting.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x602]


"All those Muslims! That tears it. Honey, we're moving to New Mexico!"

<whisper whisper>

"We're moving to Nevada!"
 
2014-06-06 04:49:59 PM  

Bluemookie: Mormons couldn't even carry their own state?  For shame!  Wasn't really expecting Scientology to carry FL either.


Mormons are nominally Christians.
 
2014-06-06 04:50:11 PM  
Allah Akbar, y'all!
 
2014-06-06 04:50:14 PM  

Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.


They looked at religions, not cults.

;)

cgraves67: Well that's probably where they get the idea that sekrit mooslems are taking over the place.


Mostly Nation of Islambs moozlims.
 
2014-06-06 04:52:23 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Wrong. The second most popular religion in the South is Church's Chicken.


Here all this time I thought it was Waffle House.
 
2014-06-06 04:53:21 PM  

sgnilward: I know nothing about the source data, but I question its accuracy (besides it being 4+ years old)

Minnesota, for example, has a LOT of Asian immigrants, who, depending on who asked them, would say they are Christian or Buddhist / Traditional.

There are certainly many times more Hmong than there are Jews up here.


Hmong are Roman Catholics.
 
2014-06-06 04:53:38 PM  

Sybarite: Interesting.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x602]


I grew up in DuPage county, the red one in the Chicago suburbs. I'd be interested in seeing a map like that over time, because from what I remember, my town had a wave of Pakistani immigrants come in right around the time I hit middle school.

/And there was tension, since that's not the only way DuPage is red.
//The building that was my elementary school is now an Islamic K-12. Hoo-boy, were there some angry editorials in the local newspaper when that happened.
 
2014-06-06 04:53:38 PM  

letrole: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.

Catholics are nominally Christian.


Not according to Evangelicals
 
2014-06-06 04:55:24 PM  

sgnilward: I know nothing about the source data, but I question its accuracy (besides it being 4+ years old)

Minnesota, for example, has a LOT of Asian immigrants, who, depending on who asked them, would say they are Christian or Buddhist / Traditional.

There are certainly many times more Hmong than there are Jews up here.


No, no I don't think so- all Asian folks make up a grand total of 4% of the population of Minnesota. Just on population percentage, there would be more people who were Jewish.
 
2014-06-06 04:56:01 PM  
Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.

letrole: Catholics are nominally Christian.

APO_Buddha: Not according to Evangelicals



whoosh
 
2014-06-06 04:57:58 PM  
The Florida one surprises me the most, more Muslims than Jews in Florida? No way is that right.
 
2014-06-06 04:58:07 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Wait...there are more Muslims than Jews in Florida? Interesting.


You figure it's because the Jews are a wee bit reluctant to register that information with the state, maybe?
 
2014-06-06 04:58:11 PM  
Kind of surprised Georgia is Islam rather than Jewish.  Of course my friend who works in the Georgia state prison system says the most of the white and black inmates convert to Islam to protect themselves from the white supremacist and Hispanic gangs.
 
2014-06-06 05:00:58 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Allah Akbar, y'all!


'Cept for Tennessee.  One jewish state surrounded by a bunch of islamic ones.  That would never happen in real life.
 
2014-06-06 05:01:25 PM  
All this fighting over a fairy tale!
 
2014-06-06 05:01:51 PM  

porcupine tree: lots of black muslims. Nation of Islam, etc.


Prisoners finding religion......
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-06 05:02:43 PM  
How much of that is "Nation of Islam" style Islam?
 
2014-06-06 05:02:45 PM  

Tom_Slick: Kind of surprised Georgia is Islam rather than Jewish.  Of course my friend who works in the Georgia state prison system says the most of the white and black inmates convert to Islam to protect themselves from the white supremacist and Hispanic gangs.


Plus, do you know how many shivs can you fit under those prayer mats?
 
2014-06-06 05:02:49 PM  
is 'nation of islam' counted together with 'car bombing islam' ?
 
2014-06-06 05:02:55 PM  

Tom_Slick: Kind of surprised Georgia is Islam rather than Jewish.  Of course my friend who works in the Georgia state prison system says the most of the white and black inmates convert to Islam to protect themselves from the white supremacist and Hispanic gangs.


Prisoners and ex-prisoners only make up 5-10% of our population.
 
2014-06-06 05:03:42 PM  

letrole: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.

Catholics are nominally Christian.


That whizzing sound is the joke that went over your head.

Big_Fat_Liar: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.

They looked at religions, not cults.


Zing.
 
2014-06-06 05:04:19 PM  

Luven: The Florida one surprises me the most, more Muslims than Jews in Florida? No way is that right.


there are only like 8 million jews in all of america (at least, i heard that on the radio in florida a couple years ago)
 
2014-06-06 05:05:25 PM  

durbnpoisn: Bareefer Obonghit: Wrong. The second most popular religion in the South is Church's Chicken.

Here all this time I thought it was Waffle House.


Either place, the prayers and offerings are done to a porcelain idol.
 
2014-06-06 05:05:28 PM  

APO_Buddha: letrole: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.

Catholics are nominally Christian.

Not according to Evangelicals


Was talking to a friend about another friend of ours (who's a religious studies PhD - candidate at the time), and I mentioned something about him being Christian and my bud responded

"He's not Christian, he's Catholic"

That was the first I ever heard of that distinction - I'm southern, my commenting friend is from Indiana, so I assumed it was a mid Western thing.

/it wasn't said pejoratively; they're best buds
 
2014-06-06 05:09:25 PM  
If I could believe what I want to believe, I wouldn't believe what I believe.

I'd be a Jedi.
 
2014-06-06 05:10:40 PM  

ikanreed: Tom_Slick: Kind of surprised Georgia is Islam rather than Jewish.  Of course my friend who works in the Georgia state prison system says the most of the white and black inmates convert to Islam to protect themselves from the white supremacist and Hispanic gangs.

Prisoners and ex-prisoners only make up 5-10% of our population.


Only 3% of the population that declares themselves as religious, describe themselves as non-Christian. So prison surely adds to the members of Islam in this state.
 
2014-06-06 05:13:27 PM  
It would have been nice to link to the recent Washington Post article that shows this map and others, that everybody is discussing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/06/04/the-second -l argest-religion-in-each-state/
The second-largest religion in each state


Several people question the accuracy of its data, eg:
http://marksilk.religionnews.com/2014/06/06/map-wrong/
This map is wrong

The only trouble is that none of the above is true.
How do I know this? The map comes from the 2010 U.S. Religious Census taken by the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies. The Religious Census is based on self-reporting by religious bodies, a means of data collection that, depending on the body, ranges from highly accurate to wildly conjectural and self-serving. It is, in the aggregate, far less accurate than large random phone surveys that ask individuals to give their religious identity.
Thus, in 2008, Pew's Religious Landscape Study showed more than twice as many Jews as "Other World Religions" (Sikhs, Jains, and others as well as Baha'is) in South Carolina. It showed more than four times as many Jews as Hindus in Delaware, and more than twice as many Jews and twice as many Buddhists as Hindus in Arizona. It showed over six times as many Jews as Muslims in Florida and over four times as many in Illinois.
...
By far the largest non-Christian group in American society is composed of those who disclaim any religious identity. These self-identified Nones now represent roughly 20 percent of the adult population.
 
2014-06-06 05:13:42 PM  

Sybarite: Interesting.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x602]


Not surprised to see Chicago show up as it did on this map, but I am surprised there aren't more major cities with the same representation
 
2014-06-06 05:15:58 PM  
wait for the blacks to realize that in arabic (islam) they are called slaves and not regarded as equals.
 
2014-06-06 05:16:00 PM  
Alaska is almost 20% Native American.  Hawaii is 10% Native Hawaiian.  I'm to believe there are more actual Buddhists in those states than adherents of native religious tradition?  I guess that might be true.
 
2014-06-06 05:16:14 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Luven: The Florida one surprises me the most, more Muslims than Jews in Florida? No way is that right.

there are only like 8 million jews in all of america (at least, i heard that on the radio in florida a couple years ago)


That was just Hollywood.
 
2014-06-06 05:18:49 PM  
Rather than percentage, I think a more relevant way to display the data would be raw numbers.  I think that would provide a more honest portrayal.

The numbers are far less significant than the title suggests.
 
2014-06-06 05:22:26 PM  
Well maybe I should hit the streets and start preaching asatru to the populace of Ohio Indiana and Kentucky, we should have a spot on the map!
 
2014-06-06 05:24:21 PM  

Bluemookie: Mormons couldn't even carry their own state?  For shame!  Wasn't really expecting Scientology to carry FL either.


Since Catholics counts as Christians, so does Mormons.
 
2014-06-06 05:24:47 PM  

Tom_Slick: Only 3% of the population that declares themselves as religious, describe themselves as non-Christian. So prison surely adds to the members of Islam in this state.


Yeah, it's not nothing, but "prison conversions" are only moderately common.
 
2014-06-06 05:26:25 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-06 05:26:40 PM  

wildcardjack: If I could believe what I want to believe, I wouldn't believe what I believe.

I'd be a Jedi.


I'be seen things... You wouldn't believe. Shouldn't believe. Couldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder or Orion.

/Mercerism FTW
 
2014-06-06 05:27:11 PM  

pearls before swine: Alaska is almost 20% Native American.  Hawaii is 10% Native Hawaiian.  I'm to believe there are more actual Buddhists in those states than adherents of native religious tradition?  I guess that might be true.


Christianity spread pretty effectively among Native Americans throughout the Americas.  I don't know about Hawaii and Alaska, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same were true there.
 
2014-06-06 05:28:00 PM  
Yet another reason to move to Colorado. Puff, puff, pass... become one with everything :)
 
2014-06-06 05:28:39 PM  

cgraves67: Well that's probably where they get the idea that sekrit mooslems are taking over the place.


A Møøslem once bit my sister... No realli!
 
2014-06-06 05:28:52 PM  

Forty-Two: Sybarite: Interesting.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x602]

I grew up in DuPage county, the red one in the Chicago suburbs. I'd be interested in seeing a map like that over time, because from what I remember, my town had a wave of Pakistani immigrants come in right around the time I hit middle school.

/And there was tension, since that's not the only way DuPage is red.
//The building that was my elementary school is now an Islamic K-12. Hoo-boy, were there some angry editorials in the local newspaper when that happened.


Lombard!!
 
2014-06-06 05:28:58 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Prophet of Loss: Allah Akbar, y'all!

'Cept for Tennessee.  One jewish state surrounded by a bunch of islamic ones.  That would never happen in real life.


And yet Murfreesboro, Tennessee is the town with all the controversy about an Islamic Mosque being built. I blame those Jews.
 
2014-06-06 05:31:45 PM  
Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.
letrole: Catholics are nominally Christian.
worlddan:That whizzing sound is the joke that went over your head.


That sobbing sound is whoever paid good money to educate you past eighth grade.

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-06 05:32:12 PM  
Two words

Black people

End of story.

No I am not racist it is just the way it is.
 
2014-06-06 05:33:41 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Allah Akbar, y'all!


New keyboard. You owe me one.
 
2014-06-06 05:33:43 PM  

Luven: The Florida one surprises me the most, more Muslims than Jews in Florida? No way is that right.


A lot of them are snowbirds from NY/NJ. Depending on what time of year the survey was done, or what state they claim residence in, that could effect things.
 
2014-06-06 05:34:48 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Prophet of Loss: Allah Akbar, y'all!

'Cept for Tennessee.  One jewish state surrounded by a bunch of islamic ones.  That would never happen in real life.


They fight a Cold War using various venereal diseases.
 
2014-06-06 05:36:23 PM  
 
2014-06-06 05:37:31 PM  
Mormons seems about as Christian as Muslims are.
 
2014-06-06 05:40:50 PM  

Circusdog320: trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 800x600]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/ovaloffice.asp


i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-06 05:41:50 PM  

ikanreed: Tom_Slick: Only 3% of the population that declares themselves as religious, describe themselves as non-Christian. So prison surely adds to the members of Islam in this state.

Yeah, it's not nothing, but "prison conversions" are only moderately common.


I'm just speculating that "prison conversions" may be the tipping point for Islam to overtake Judaism, since both religions make up less than 3% of the population.  that 3% also includes all other religions.
 
2014-06-06 05:42:18 PM  
Why doesn't Utah have it's own color for Mormonism? Hindu, in AZ? not
 
2014-06-06 05:43:35 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Wrong. The second most popular religion in the South is Church's Chicken.


Dammit. Now I want some orange drink and fried bird.

SC has a lot of Bahai?  O.o
 
2014-06-06 05:45:48 PM  

trappedspirit: Circusdog320: trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 800x600]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/ovaloffice.asp

[i141.photobucket.com image 800x643]


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-06 05:48:57 PM  
The relevant comments and concerns have already been logged. Time to close the thread. In summary, Florida has more Muslims than Jews? Plus, the South has lots of black people, what with that whole slave issue a few years back and all -- and by the way, sorry for that, black people -- and it's no small secret that Islam is quite popular amongst black folks. Oh, then there's South Carolina and Tennessee, places that Muslims are smart enough to avoid.
 
2014-06-06 05:49:16 PM  

Gone In 26 Minutes: Bluemookie: Mormons couldn't even carry their own state?  For shame!  Wasn't really expecting Scientology to carry FL either.

Mormons are nominally Christians.


upload.wikimedia.org
Even if they're not, the biggest Mormon church still dominates Utah just fine. (This is Wikipedia's map for the #1, not #2 as with the Boingboing link.)
 
2014-06-06 05:51:26 PM  

Sybarite: Interesting.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x602]


I'd like to know how the fark Hamilton County, N.Y. is >5% Muslim.  There are no state prisons there to skew the numbers.

Granted, the whole county has less than 5,000 residents, so a few Muslim families moving to one of the little towns up there could conceivably throw the numbers off.
 
2014-06-06 05:57:40 PM  
I would have figured more Jews in California considering they run the entertainment industry.
 
2014-06-06 05:58:27 PM  

letrole: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.
letrole: Catholics are nominally Christian.
worlddan:That whizzing sound is the joke that went over your head.

That sobbing sound is whoever paid good money to educate you past eighth grade.

[img.fark.net image 468x337]


Atheism is nominally a religion.
 
2014-06-06 06:02:07 PM  

Sybarite: Interesting.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x602]


Heh. At first I was surprised that Hamilton County, NY was 5.0% Muslim or more. That's out in the middle of nowhere.

But then I crunched the numbers: 5% of that county's population comes out to only 241 people.
 
2014-06-06 06:04:55 PM  

fusillade762: Atheism is nominally a religion.


Your mother is nominally a good lay.
 
2014-06-06 06:10:18 PM  
My guess:

i28.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-06 06:11:15 PM  

Slypork: I would have figured more Jews in California considering they run the entertainment industry.


There's a shiatload of people out here who are Buddhist and completely serious about it. I always thought it was a bandwagon thing that actors and wannabes got into. Nope, they actually go to meetings and discuss the teachings of Buddha and try to live it.

It's really weird.

/I'm from the south, prefer weird Buddhists over jerk Baptists
 
2014-06-06 06:16:36 PM  

APO_Buddha: letrole: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.

Catholics are nominally Christian.

Not according to Evangelicals


It doesn't matter how the Christians choose to split each other up, they are all still Christians. Protestant, Evangelical, Catholic... you're all the same.
 
2014-06-06 06:18:55 PM  

Bandito King: Slypork: I would have figured more Jews in California considering they run the entertainment industry.

There's a shiatload of people out here who are Buddhist and completely serious about it. I always thought it was a bandwagon thing that actors and wannabes got into. Nope, they actually go to meetings and discuss the teachings of Buddha and try to live it.

It's really weird.

/I'm from the south, prefer weird Buddhists over jerk Baptists


Why is it weird?
 
2014-06-06 06:19:11 PM  

trappedspirit: Circusdog320: trappedspirit: [i141.photobucket.com image 800x600]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/ovaloffice.asp

[i141.photobucket.com image 800x643]


Just playing it safe...Good day!
 
2014-06-06 06:19:56 PM  

TheJoe03: Mormons seems about as Christian as Muslims are.


They're certainly every bit as Christian as the scientologists!
 
2014-06-06 06:22:47 PM  

zeroman987: Forty-Two: Sybarite: Interesting.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x602]

I grew up in DuPage county, the red one in the Chicago suburbs. I'd be interested in seeing a map like that over time, because from what I remember, my town had a wave of Pakistani immigrants come in right around the time I hit middle school.

/And there was tension, since that's not the only way DuPage is red.
//The building that was my elementary school is now an Islamic K-12. Hoo-boy, were there some angry editorials in the local newspaper when that happened.

Lombard!!


Yup! What's your connection?
 
2014-06-06 06:25:45 PM  

Gone In 26 Minutes: Bluemookie: Mormons couldn't even carry their own state?  For shame!  Wasn't really expecting Scientology to carry FL either.

a few non-Mormons (and most Mormons) think that Mormons are nominally Christians.


Other Christian denominations... not so much
 
2014-06-06 06:44:48 PM  
Whee, doggy.
We-e-e-ell doggies.

Fixed. Sheesh.
 
2014-06-06 06:45:11 PM  
Pastafarians be fallin' down./Touched by His noodly appendage.//What's up with the Ba'hai in SC?
 
2014-06-06 06:49:54 PM  
Check out Jew York up there.
 
2014-06-06 06:54:35 PM  
And the north east is better?
 
2014-06-06 06:54:41 PM  
Ain't religious freedom a wonderful thing?

While it lasts, anyway.
 
2014-06-06 06:54:49 PM  
http://boingboing.net/2014/06/05/christianity-is-the-top-religi.html/1 999eastst?fk_bb

LOL.
 
2014-06-06 07:12:38 PM  

Forty-Two: zeroman987: Forty-Two: Sybarite: Interesting.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x602]

I grew up in DuPage county, the red one in the Chicago suburbs. I'd be interested in seeing a map like that over time, because from what I remember, my town had a wave of Pakistani immigrants come in right around the time I hit middle school.

/And there was tension, since that's not the only way DuPage is red.
//The building that was my elementary school is now an Islamic K-12. Hoo-boy, were there some angry editorials in the local newspaper when that happened.

Lombard!!

Yup! What's your connection?


Grandparents have lived there for like 50ish years. I un-ironically love the town, but it has changed for the worse since I was a kid. They are doing their best to strangle the life out of the downtown area, and don't seem to have any interest in attracting people to the town. I will never get over the fact they turned to the Dupage into a parking lot. =(
 
2014-06-06 07:31:20 PM  
No Zoroastrians?
 
2014-06-06 07:35:38 PM  

TheJoe03: Bandito King: Slypork: I would have figured more Jews in California considering they run the entertainment industry.

There's a shiatload of people out here who are Buddhist and completely serious about it. I always thought it was a bandwagon thing that actors and wannabes got into. Nope, they actually go to meetings and discuss the teachings of Buddha and try to live it.

It's really weird.

/I'm from the south, prefer weird Buddhists over jerk Baptists

Why is it weird?


For the same reason moving to NY and discovering an unusually large number of Sikh converts would be weird. Not that it's a bad thing, as religions go, just that it's got a very Eastern "flavor" and it's farking strange to have a bunch of white people earnestly discussing existential philosophy through a cultural lens that isn't their own.

I mean, maybe for you it's normal but I am still adjusting.

Speaking of adjusting, how do Californians not know how to fry chicken? When you can make chicken & waffles taste bad you might as well move to England because good food is just not your forte.
 
2014-06-06 07:43:52 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Prophet of Loss: Allah Akbar, y'all!

'Cept for Tennessee.  One jewish state surrounded by a bunch of islamic ones.  That would never happen in real life.


Bahaii is not Islam
 
2014-06-06 07:54:16 PM  

special20: Tom_Slick: Kind of surprised Georgia is Islam rather than Jewish.  Of course my friend who works in the Georgia state prison system says the most of the white and black inmates convert to Islam to protect themselves from the white supremacist and Hispanic gangs.

Plus, do you know how many shivs can you fit under those prayer mats?


i58.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-06 07:57:36 PM  

fusillade762: letrole: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.
letrole: Catholics are nominally Christian.
worlddan:That whizzing sound is the joke that went over your head.

That sobbing sound is whoever paid good money to educate you past eighth grade.

[img.fark.net image 468x337]

Atheism is nominally a religion.

religious decision

Apatheism is the rising 'religion'
 
2014-06-06 08:02:32 PM  

Bluemookie: Mormons couldn't even carry their own state?  For shame!  Wasn't really expecting Scientology to carry FL either.


Maybe they did; the map doesn't tell us what the most popular religion in each state is.  But yeah, I would have expected Christianity to come in second in Utah, not Buddhism.  And how did Mormonism not manage to be the second most popular religion in at least one of the surrounding states?
 
2014-06-06 08:06:14 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Wrong. The second most popular religion in the South is Church's Chicken.


Wrong..it's Popeyes
 
2014-06-06 08:18:15 PM  

mjjt: Apatheism is the rising 'religion'


It is? I don't really care.
 
2014-06-06 08:23:14 PM  

zeroman987: Forty-Two: zeroman987:

Lombard!!

Yup! What's your connection?

Grandparents have lived there for like 50ish years. I un-ironically love the town, but it has changed for the worse since I was a kid. They are doing their best to strangle the life out of the downtown area, and don't seem to have any interest in attracting people to the town. I will never get over the fact they turned to the Dupage into a parking lot. =(


Ha! I love that you have to qualify that your love is un-ironic. The razing of the theater was a shame. My parents are active in the historical society, and they love all the quirky old things in the town that are getting trampled over. I really noticed that things were getting bad when I went away to college and then came back--I think I'd gotten acclimated to the decline while I lived there, so spending some time away made the problems really obvious.

Some restaurants have recently opened on St. Charles Road near the train station, but Main Street was dealt a major blow when Mr. Z's was forced to close. That was our neighborhood grocery store; more than anything, that makes it feel less like home now.
 
2014-06-06 08:33:17 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Bareefer Obonghit: Wrong. The second most popular religion in the South is Church's Chicken.

Wrong..it's Popeyes


I thought it was SEC football.
 
2014-06-06 08:33:47 PM  

MrHappyRotter: The relevant comments and concerns have already been logged. Time to close the thread. In summary, Florida has more Muslims than Jews? Plus, the South has lots of black people, what with that whole slave issue a few years back and all -- and by the way, sorry for that, black people -- and it's no small secret that Islam is quite popular amongst black folks. Oh, then there's South Carolina and Tennessee, places that Muslims are smart enough to avoid.


That plus if you keep jailing the melanin rich populace, they tend to convert to Islam in prison.
 
2014-06-06 08:34:48 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: APO_Buddha: letrole: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.

Catholics are nominally Christian.

Not according to Evangelicals

It doesn't matter how the Christians choose to split each other up, they are all still Christians. Protestant, Evangelical, Catholic... you're they're all the same.


FTFY

/Don't lump me in with *any* Christians
 
2014-06-06 08:39:51 PM  
Holy shiat. I never knew Three Dollar Bill was a mooslin!
 
2014-06-06 08:40:12 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: SuperNinjaToad: Bareefer Obonghit: Wrong. The second most popular religion in the South is Church's Chicken.

Wrong..it's Popeyes

I thought it was SEC football.


NASCAR
 
2014-06-06 08:41:57 PM  

Sybarite: Interesting.

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Came for this. I knew at least as many Muslims in New Jersey as I did Jews and Catholics--and that was a little over 20 years ago.
 
2014-06-06 10:24:27 PM  
download.lardlad.com
The South Shall Come Again!
 
2014-06-06 10:40:55 PM  
I thought college football was the only religion in the south
 
2014-06-06 10:41:37 PM  
I believe the oldest Islamic temple in North America is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa
 
2014-06-06 10:45:05 PM  
I think it would be a much more interesting map if "Christians" weren't all lumped together. There are so many variations that hold very different beliefs that all get grouped together. I'm also curious if "None of the above" or "atheist" was included in the data. It's not really a religion, but "no belief" would probably change that map a bit.
 
2014-06-06 10:46:06 PM  

Slypork: I would have figured more Jews in California considering they run the entertainment industry.


Then you would be really shocked in San Francisco to find the percentage Chinese is way higher than the percent gay and lesbian based on your advanced insight into California culture.
 
2014-06-06 10:54:12 PM  

Bandito King: TheJoe03: Bandito King: Slypork: I would have figured more Jews in California considering they run the entertainment industry.

There's a shiatload of people out here who are Buddhist and completely serious about it. I always thought it was a bandwagon thing that actors and wannabes got into. Nope, they actually go to meetings and discuss the teachings of Buddha and try to live it.

It's really weird.

/I'm from the south, prefer weird Buddhists over jerk Baptists

Why is it weird?

For the same reason moving to NY and discovering an unusually large number of Sikh converts would be weird. Not that it's a bad thing, as religions go, just that it's got a very Eastern "flavor" and it's farking strange to have a bunch of white people earnestly discussing existential philosophy through a cultural lens that isn't their own.

I mean, maybe for you it's normal but I am still adjusting.

Speaking of adjusting, how do Californians not know how to fry chicken? When you can make chicken & waffles taste bad you might as well move to England because good food is just not your forte.


You sound fattening. We'll stick to Trader Joe's lentils, beets, salmon, and wine.
 
2014-06-06 11:15:29 PM  

Tom_Slick: Kind of surprised Georgia is Islam rather than Jewish.  Of course my friend who works in the Georgia state prison system says the most of the white and black inmates convert to Islam to protect themselves from the white supremacist and Hispanic gangs.


Prisoners converting to Islam, in my opinion, are/were aligning themselves as a means of protection from other institutional gangs. Observing Ramadan, at least in Georgia State prisons, has/had its benefits.  If nothing else, a change in the monotony of daily routine X 30.  I knew more than a few who admitted to these things.

/former GSP med staff
 
2014-06-07 12:18:46 AM  
Christianity is not a religion. Jeez.

Also what is a Bahal?
 
2014-06-07 01:06:33 AM  
Where the hell are all the Bokononists?
 
2014-06-07 01:28:46 AM  

Kevin72: Slypork: I would have figured more Jews in California considering they run the entertainment industry.

Then you would be really shocked in San Francisco to find the percentage Chinese is way higher than the percent gay and lesbian based on your advanced insight into California culture.


are you stating that there're no chinese gays/lesbians? they can only be one or the other?
 
2014-06-07 01:40:06 AM  

Breygon: Kevin72: Slypork: I would have figured more Jews in California considering they run the entertainment industry.

Then you would be really shocked in San Francisco to find the percentage Chinese is way higher than the percent gay and lesbian based on your advanced insight into California culture.

are you stating that there're no chinese gays/lesbians? they can only be one or the other?


Venn diagrams are very similar to Euler diagrams, which were invented by Leonhard Euler (1708-1783) in the 18th century.[note 1] M. E. Baron has noted that Leibniz (1646-1716) in the 17th century produced similar diagrams before Euler, but much of it was unpublished.

John Venn, Leonard Euler, and Gottfried Leibniz encourage you to imagine that some of the Chinese-Americans in San Francisco are also gay and lesbian.
 
2014-06-07 01:49:16 AM  

flondrix: Bluemookie: Mormons couldn't even carry their own state?  For shame!  Wasn't really expecting Scientology to carry FL either.

Maybe they did; the map doesn't tell us what the most popular religion in each state is.  But yeah, I would have expected Christianity to come in second in Utah, not Buddhism.  And how did Mormonism not manage to be the second most popular religion in at least one of the surrounding states?


Gee, maybe because the Church of Jesus CHRIST of Latter Day Saints is a CHRISTian organization and as such cannot be 2nd behind CHRISTian?

Religions in general are all a bit of a wash to me but when they put the farkin name right smack dab in the middle of the title you'd think people would catch on.
 
2014-06-07 01:57:58 AM  

the1hatman: Gee, maybe because the Church of Jesus CHRIST of Latter Day Saints is a CHRISTian organization and as such cannot be 2nd behind CHRISTian?

Religions in general are all a bit of a wash to me but when they put the farkin name right smack dab in the middle of the title you'd think people would catch on.


How many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a leg?  Four--calling its tail a leg doesn't make it one.  Mormons are not Christians just like Christians are not Jews, no matter how much material one might swipe from another.
 
2014-06-07 02:06:23 AM  

flondrix: the1hatman: Gee, maybe because the Church of Jesus CHRIST of Latter Day Saints is a CHRISTian organization and as such cannot be 2nd behind CHRISTian?

Religions in general are all a bit of a wash to me but when they put the farkin name right smack dab in the middle of the title you'd think people would catch on.

How many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a leg?  Four--calling its tail a leg doesn't make it one.  Mormons are not Christians just like Christians are not Jews, no matter how much material one might swipe from another.


That is possibly the dumbest analogy I have ever seen and has no bearing on the subject anyway.

Here, read the definition of christian below and see if your level of reading comprehension can keep up with the obvious;
A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth
 
2014-06-07 03:27:19 AM  
No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.
 
2014-06-07 03:32:57 AM  

letrole: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.

Catholics are nominally Christian.


Don't say that to a Baptist though.
 
2014-06-07 03:43:49 AM  
A Google image search of "Obama"  turns up about 90% pictures of Obama with the stars and stripes in the picture.
 
2014-06-07 03:44:18 AM  

STRYPERSWINE: No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.


No one cares. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are a Christian as far as broad religious categorization is concerned. How you Christians subdivide yourselves or play No True Scotsman is of little concern.
 
2014-06-07 03:49:57 AM  

Moonfisher: STRYPERSWINE: No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.

No one cares. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are a Christian as far as broad religious categorization is concerned. How you Christians subdivide yourselves or play No True Scotsman is of little concern.


So Muslims are Christians now? Mormons are different enough to be considered a new religion and not just a denomination.
 
2014-06-07 04:36:13 AM  

STRYPERSWINE: No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.


Again, read the definition. Doesn't matter if the other kids in the sandbox want to include them or not they are still Christians. Hense why the map lists Utah as being majority christian just like every other state.

As for whichever flavor of Jesus they follow not being the biblical one, the Mormon bible is the standard King James version so it is the same stuff the rest of them like to read. They just have an extra book thrown on top.
 
2014-06-07 04:45:28 AM  
letrole is nominally witty.
 
2014-06-07 04:55:37 AM  
There are no Jews in the Canadian Territory of Nunavut.

This is probably because whale meat and seal are not Kosher, so the Jews are having Nunavut.

HA! Take that Bahai!
 
2014-06-07 04:58:27 AM  

letrole: Wellon Dowd: I expect the second-most common religion in the south to be Roman Catholicism.

Catholics are nominally Christian.


Not according to them.
 
2014-06-07 04:58:39 AM  

TheJoe03: Moonfisher: STRYPERSWINE: No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.

No one cares. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are a Christian as far as broad religious categorization is concerned. How you Christians subdivide yourselves or play No True Scotsman is of little concern.

So Muslims are Christians now? Mormons are different enough to be considered a new religion and not just a denomination.


Considered by who? They follow Christ so they are christian. What is so hard to understand about that? Do Muslims or Jews? No? Well then they're not.

Doesn't matter if Baptists, Protestants, shakers, quakers, candlestickmakers or any other strain of J-train riders like the idea or not. They use the same bible, have the same messiah and pray to the same god. Sure they have some details that set them apart but so do all the other denominations.
 
2014-06-07 05:23:45 AM  
If you want to practice your lack of religion in peace, I recommend the left-wing hippie and right-wing crazy-rich the Yukon Territory and British Columbia. The stats on religion in Canada show that it is the second largest group in all Canadian provinces, but in the Yukon it is the choice of 38.62%, while in BC it reaches 35.88% of the population. Enough to elect a government of crazies, which apparently they do in BC.

At the opposite end of the country and the religious continuum is Newfoundland and Labrador with 2.53% non-religious and post-revolutionary Quebec at 5.8%. Newfoundland is 97% Christian. We have to keep them apart from the Lotus Eaters in Vancouver.

After the Unbeliebers, Muslims outnumber Jews in every province except for Manitoba. In BC, Sykhs outnumber even the Muslims, followed by Buddhists, then Muslims, then Jews.

Nova Scotia has a sizable colony of Buddhists (Shambala) because they fled there expecting the end of the world (and also in a tax spat with the US). A Nova Scotia fundamentalist family fled Nova Scotia to wait out the Trials and Tribulations--to the Faukland Islands (aka the Malvinas). Guess what happened next? I always get a laugh out of that.
 
2014-06-07 05:24:18 AM  
Hold on. They've got Christians in the South?
 
2014-06-07 05:51:26 AM  

the1hatman: TheJoe03: Moonfisher: STRYPERSWINE: No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.

No one cares. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are a Christian as far as broad religious categorization is concerned. How you Christians subdivide yourselves or play No True Scotsman is of little concern.

So Muslims are Christians now? Mormons are different enough to be considered a new religion and not just a denomination.

Considered by who? They follow Christ so they are christian. What is so hard to understand about that? Do Muslims or Jews? No? Well then they're not.

Doesn't matter if Baptists, Protestants, shakers, quakers, candlestickmakers or any other strain of J-train riders like the idea or not. They use the same bible, have the same messiah and pray to the same god. Sure they have some details that set them apart but so do all the other denominations.


Jesus is one of the most important prophets in Islam. Mormonism diverges a lot from basic Chrisitianity, just like Islam does with Judaism and Christianity. Placing the events of the Bible in the Americas is a pretty big departure, so are the additions of other prophets. If Mormons are Christians, than Christians are Jews.
 
2014-06-07 07:01:38 AM  
TheJoe03:
Jesus is one of the most important prophets in Islam. Mormonism diverges a lot from basic Chrisitianity, just like Islam does with Judaism and Christianity. Placing the events of the Bible in the Americas is a pretty big departure, so are the additions of other prophets. If Mormons are Christians, than Christians are Jews.

Christians are Jews. They worship the same god, believe in most of the same prophets, teach the history of the Jewish people in their religious instruction, and more than half of their Bible is directly taken from Jewish teachings. The Christians who somehow claim to be Christian but are anti-Semitic need to admit that they're only two professionals in the family and possibly a foreskin away from grabbing their breakfast at a bagel shop in Williamsburg.
 
2014-06-07 07:50:34 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Wait...there are more Muslims than Jews in Florida? Interesting.



I'm not buying it.  Maybe Miami - but in aggregate for the state?  Considering the NY/NJ pipeline?  Not a chance.
 
2014-06-07 08:07:30 AM  
I posted a comment, and all these goobers replied. I think worlddan is especially moronic, since he made a smarmy meta joke about not getting the joke, in reference to a joke that he himself did not get.

letrole: Catholics are nominally Christian.

TerminalEchoes: Don't say that to a Baptist though.

worlddan: That whizzing sound is the joke that went over your head.

APO_Buddha: Not according to Evangelicals


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-07 08:40:38 AM  
And of course the higher percentage is in RED!!


/sheesh
 
2014-06-07 08:41:54 AM  

Sybarite: Interesting.


Meant for this.
Sorry.
 
2014-06-07 08:56:01 AM  
"twiztedjustin 2014-06-06 04:47:52 PM Thank gawd. Keep that pink crap away."

Jews are crap?
 
2014-06-07 08:56:40 AM  
Don't worry about contentions with points of theology. The best way to gauge a religion is by pure anecdotal evidence. Look at later-life conversions. What sort of person hears a particular message, and then embraces it? What circumstances generally surround this person, and how does their new faith affect the way they behave? What can you expect this person to do?

Somebody becomes a Jew, Mormon, Christian, Moslem, Wiccan, Scientologist, Satanist, Buddhist, Atheist.

Who blows things up? Who volunteers in a homeless shelter? Who becomes self-centred and narcissistic? Who becomes secretive and creepy? Who becomes open with everything? Who becomes frankly weird as fark? Who seems to know less with each new thing they learn? Who tends already to be wealthy? Shallow? Boring? Criminal? Oppressed? Low self-esteem? High self-esteem?
 
2014-06-07 09:37:48 AM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: sgnilward: I know nothing about the source data, but I question its accuracy (besides it being 4+ years old)

Minnesota, for example, has a LOT of Asian immigrants, who, depending on who asked them, would say they are Christian or Buddhist / Traditional.

There are certainly many times more Hmong than there are Jews up here.

Hmong are Roman Catholics.


Not any of the hmong I've known.
 
2014-06-07 10:33:18 AM  

brantgoose: There are no Jews in the Canadian Territory of Nunavut.

This is probably because whale meat and seal are not Kosher, so the Jews are having Nunavut.

HA! Take that Bahai!


I work with a guy who is Bahai, and I talked to him a little bit.  Bahai basically believes that all monotheistic religions chronicle manifestations of the one true God. They are seen as a bastardization/heretical of Islam in many Islamic countries.   From what he told me, the are heavily persecuted in Iran (where he is from) and many were forced to flee in the years leading up to the cultural revolution.  I assume that there was a large refugee population in South Carolina from this.  Side note: this guy is one of the nicest people I have ever met in my entire life.
 
2014-06-07 10:35:23 AM  

bulok: Christianity is not a religion. Jeez.

Also what is a Bahal?


I work with a guy who is Bahai, and I talked to him a little bit.  Bahai basically believes that all monotheistic religions chronicle manifestations of the one true God. They are seen as a bastardization/heretical of Islam in many Islamic countries.   From what he told me, the are heavily persecuted in Iran (where he is from) and many were forced to flee in the years leading up to the cultural revolution.  I assume that there was a large refugee population in South Carolina from this.  Side note: this guy is one of the nicest people I have ever met in my entire life.

/Now responding to the correct person
//Sorry for the confusion brantgoose
///mea culpa
 
2014-06-07 01:20:32 PM  

TheJoe03: the1hatman: TheJoe03: Moonfisher: STRYPERSWINE: No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.

No one cares. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are a Christian as far as broad religious categorization is concerned. How you Christians subdivide yourselves or play No True Scotsman is of little concern.

So Muslims are Christians now? Mormons are different enough to be considered a new religion and not just a denomination.

Considered by who? They follow Christ so they are christian. What is so hard to understand about that? Do Muslims or Jews? No? Well then they're not.

Doesn't matter if Baptists, Protestants, shakers, quakers, candlestickmakers or any other strain of J-train riders like the idea or not. They use the same bible, have the same messiah and pray to the same god. Sure they have some details that set them apart but so do all the other denominations.

Jesus is one of the most important prophets in Islam. Mormonism diverges a lot from basic Chrisitianity, just like Islam does with Judaism and Christianity. Placing the events of the Bible in the Americas is a pretty big departure, so are the additions of other prophets. If Mormons are Christians, than Christians are Jews.


Yes but Jesus is not the messiah in Islam. Nor is he to Jews. This is what separates the 3 largest religions. He is the messiah to Christians and that is what makes them christian.

Also the Mormons do not place the events of the bible in the Americas. They use the exact same King James version of the bible the majority of other denominations do. They just have an additional book that covers what they believe took place in the new world. If you want to try a categorize a group you should get your facts straight about them before going all "Their Jesus ain't like our Jesus!"
 
2014-06-07 03:23:11 PM  

Gone In 26 Minutes: Mormons are nominally Christians.


Then Christians should be nominally Jews.
 
2014-06-07 03:28:59 PM  

the1hatman: Gee, maybe because the Church of Jesus CHRIST of Latter Day Saints is a CHRISTian organization and as such cannot be 2nd behind CHRISTian?


See democracy in action in the beautiful Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
 
2014-06-07 04:19:21 PM  

the1hatman: TheJoe03: the1hatman: TheJoe03: Moonfisher: STRYPERSWINE: No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.

No one cares. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are a Christian as far as broad religious categorization is concerned. How you Christians subdivide yourselves or play No True Scotsman is of little concern.

So Muslims are Christians now? Mormons are different enough to be considered a new religion and not just a denomination.

Considered by who? They follow Christ so they are christian. What is so hard to understand about that? Do Muslims or Jews? No? Well then they're not.

Doesn't matter if Baptists, Protestants, shakers, quakers, candlestickmakers or any other strain of J-train riders like the idea or not. They use the same bible, have the same messiah and pray to the same god. Sure they have some details that set them apart but so do all the other denominations.

Jesus is one of the most important prophets in Islam. Mormonism diverges a lot from basic Chrisitianity, just like Islam does with Judaism and Christianity. Placing the events of the Bible in the Americas is a pretty big departure, so are the additions of other prophets. If Mormons are Christians, than Christians are Jews.

Yes but Jesus is not the messiah in Islam. Nor is he to Jews. This is what separates the 3 largest religions. He is the messiah to Christians and that is what makes them christian.

Also the Mormons do not place the events of the bible in the Americas. They use the exact same King James version of the bible the majority of other denominations do. They just have an additional book that covers what they believe took place in the new world. If you want to try a categorize a group you should get your facts straight about them before going all "Their Jesus ain't like our Jesus!"


I'm not Christian and have posted nothing to indicate I am. The fact that Mormons added a book and new prophets makes the a different religion from regular Christians. The difference between Catholics and Protestants has nothing to do with the books and prophet but different interpretations of the Bible. When you start making new books and writings you are not the same religion anymore.
 
2014-06-07 04:20:45 PM  
the1hatman:
Yes but Jesus is not the messiah in Islam. Nor is he to Jews. This is what separates the 3 largest religions. He is the messiah to Christians and that is what makes them christian.

Actually, to Muslims, Jesus is not only a prophet but also the Messiah- al-Masih- and also it is prophesied that he will return to the world and personally destroy the Antichrist. Sounds pretty darn Messianic to me. He simply was not the son of God personally in Islam.
Don't feel too bad, though. On one of the later Crusades they were besieging a Muslim city in North Africa when the city's ruler came out and asked them wtf was with the attack? One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"
Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"
 
2014-06-07 04:30:43 PM  

0Icky0: Gone In 26 Minutes: Mormons are nominally Christians.

Then Christians should be nominally Jews.


Eeeeeeh. It's funny, because Restorationist churchs in general definitely feel like they're TRYING to be more Jewish; that is, they're looking more at the Old Testament than the story of Christ which does seem to defeat the entire purpose of being a Christian to me. According to their own doctrine, though, they ARE Christians.
 
2014-06-07 05:17:10 PM  

cynicalbastard: One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"


When did this occur?
 
2014-06-07 05:46:54 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Bareefer Obonghit: Wrong. The second most popular religion in the South is Church's Chicken.

Wrong..it's Popeyes


Uh oh; a religious war.  Besides, you're both wrong; it's Football.
 
2014-06-07 06:19:40 PM  

cynicalbastard: the1hatman:
Yes but Jesus is not the messiah in Islam. Nor is he to Jews. This is what separates the 3 largest religions. He is the messiah to Christians and that is what makes them christian.

Actually, to Muslims, Jesus is not only a prophet but also the Messiah- al-Masih- and also it is prophesied that he will return to the world and personally destroy the Antichrist. Sounds pretty darn Messianic to me. He simply was not the son of God personally in Islam.
Don't feel too bad, though. On one of the later Crusades they were besieging a Muslim city in North Africa when the city's ruler came out and asked them wtf was with the attack? One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"
Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"


Yes I am aware that Muslims consider Isa to be a prophet and the eventual conqueror of the antichrist but they also do not see him as either the complete prophecy or as God. The term messiah means different things to different groups. Regardless, this discussion is not about the intricacies of various religions but rather the designation of certain denomonations within them. Just because a figure is considered to be a bad-ass in one faith does not make them the leader of said faith. For Christians that is Christ hense the term christian and also why Mormons, who revere Jesus as their messiah and savior, are considered Christians by any religious standard and why they are categorized as such in publications such as the one in the article.

As for your little story, it was lovely but has no bearing on the discussion or anything posted here. Thank you for sharing though.
 
2014-06-07 06:48:10 PM  

TheJoe03: the1hatman: TheJoe03: the1hatman: TheJoe03: Moonfisher: STRYPERSWINE: No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.

No one cares. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are a Christian as far as broad religious categorization is concerned. How you Christians subdivide yourselves or play No True Scotsman is of little concern.

So Muslims are Christians now? Mormons are different enough to be considered a new religion and not just a denomination.

Considered by who? They follow Christ so they are christian. What is so hard to understand about that? Do Muslims or Jews? No? Well then they're not.

Doesn't matter if Baptists, Protestants, shakers, quakers, candlestickmakers or any other strain of J-train riders like the idea or not. They use the same bible, have the same messiah and pray to the same god. Sure they have some details that set them apart but so do all the other denominations.

Jesus is one of the most important prophets in Islam. Mormonism diverges a lot from basic Chrisitianity, just like Islam does with Judaism and Christianity. Placing the events of the Bible in the Americas is a pretty big departure, so are the additions of other prophets. If Mormons are Christians, than Christians are Jews.

Yes but Jesus is not the messiah in Islam. Nor is he to Jews. This is what separates the 3 largest religions. He is the messiah to Christians and that is what makes them christian.

Also the Mormons do not place the events of the bible in the Americas. They use the exact same King James version of the bible the majority of other denominations do. They just have an additional book that covers what they believe took place in the new world. If you want to try a categorize a group you should get your facts straight about them before going all "Their Jesus ain't like our Jesus!"

I'm not Christian and have posted nothing to indicate I am. The fact that Mormons added a book and new prophets makes the a different religion from regular Christians. The difference between Catholics and Protestants has nothing to do with the books and prophet but different interpretations of the Bible. When you start making new books and writings you are not the same religion anymore.


I apologize if you thought I was trying to infer that you were a Christian, that was not my intent. Even so the basis of your argument is still the classic version of 'their Jesus is different from our Jesus' weather you subscribe to any faith or not.

It is also pointless to continue pointing out the differences between the denominations. No one said that there were not differences between them. All denominations have differences to varying degrees but that does not mean that they are not part of a similiar faith. While you can continue to argue semantics this does not change the fact that follower of Christ is still the very core definition of Christian and why you will continue to see Mormons listed as such in places like the article here. Choosing to see them as anything else does not magically change their designation.
 
2014-06-07 07:39:36 PM  

cynicalbastard: On one of the later Crusades they were besieging a Muslim city in North Africa when the city's ruler came out and asked them wtf was with the attack? One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"
Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"


When did this supposedly happen?

Anyway even if it did, note that city's ruler made a doctrinal mistake: Muslims are supposed to believe that there were Muslims for all time, all over the world. But that they've been called Christians (at the time of the Crucifixion), or some Jews before Christ showed up, or whatever.

/not that anyone takes this seriously
//but just pointing out the theological loopy logic
 
2014-06-07 11:30:43 PM  

letrole: cynicalbastard: One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"

When did this occur?


Siege of Mahdia, Tunisia, 1390. The Berber leader asked why the French had joined forces with the Genoese when they (the Berbers) had not done anything to them, and got the reply above, which must rank as one of the dumbest things to come out of a Crusader's mouth since Reynaud of Chatillon decided it would be a great idea to attack a Muslim caravan in spite of the truce and gave the order.
In all fairness, history instruction was likely not the strong suit of a typical French nobleman's education in the 14th century, most of which tended to concentrate on hitting people with various weapons, riding, singing rude songs and the occasional poem which very often was about the joys of hitting people, riding, etc. (Read about the 13th century Baron and poet Bertran de Born sometime. Fun guy from the sound of things.)
 
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