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2014-06-07 04:20:45 PM  
the1hatman:
Yes but Jesus is not the messiah in Islam. Nor is he to Jews. This is what separates the 3 largest religions. He is the messiah to Christians and that is what makes them christian.

Actually, to Muslims, Jesus is not only a prophet but also the Messiah- al-Masih- and also it is prophesied that he will return to the world and personally destroy the Antichrist. Sounds pretty darn Messianic to me. He simply was not the son of God personally in Islam.
Don't feel too bad, though. On one of the later Crusades they were besieging a Muslim city in North Africa when the city's ruler came out and asked them wtf was with the attack? One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"
Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"
 
2014-06-07 04:30:43 PM  

0Icky0: Gone In 26 Minutes: Mormons are nominally Christians.

Then Christians should be nominally Jews.


Eeeeeeh. It's funny, because Restorationist churchs in general definitely feel like they're TRYING to be more Jewish; that is, they're looking more at the Old Testament than the story of Christ which does seem to defeat the entire purpose of being a Christian to me. According to their own doctrine, though, they ARE Christians.
 
2014-06-07 05:17:10 PM  

cynicalbastard: One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"


When did this occur?
 
2014-06-07 05:46:54 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Bareefer Obonghit: Wrong. The second most popular religion in the South is Church's Chicken.

Wrong..it's Popeyes


Uh oh; a religious war.  Besides, you're both wrong; it's Football.
 
2014-06-07 06:19:40 PM  

cynicalbastard: the1hatman:
Yes but Jesus is not the messiah in Islam. Nor is he to Jews. This is what separates the 3 largest religions. He is the messiah to Christians and that is what makes them christian.

Actually, to Muslims, Jesus is not only a prophet but also the Messiah- al-Masih- and also it is prophesied that he will return to the world and personally destroy the Antichrist. Sounds pretty darn Messianic to me. He simply was not the son of God personally in Islam.
Don't feel too bad, though. On one of the later Crusades they were besieging a Muslim city in North Africa when the city's ruler came out and asked them wtf was with the attack? One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"
Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"


Yes I am aware that Muslims consider Isa to be a prophet and the eventual conqueror of the antichrist but they also do not see him as either the complete prophecy or as God. The term messiah means different things to different groups. Regardless, this discussion is not about the intricacies of various religions but rather the designation of certain denomonations within them. Just because a figure is considered to be a bad-ass in one faith does not make them the leader of said faith. For Christians that is Christ hense the term christian and also why Mormons, who revere Jesus as their messiah and savior, are considered Christians by any religious standard and why they are categorized as such in publications such as the one in the article.

As for your little story, it was lovely but has no bearing on the discussion or anything posted here. Thank you for sharing though.
 
2014-06-07 06:48:10 PM  

TheJoe03: the1hatman: TheJoe03: the1hatman: TheJoe03: Moonfisher: STRYPERSWINE: No Christian denomination considers Mormonism to be Christians because they deny the very foundation of the faith, namely, that Jesus IS God. They have something that they call Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible.

No one cares. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are a Christian as far as broad religious categorization is concerned. How you Christians subdivide yourselves or play No True Scotsman is of little concern.

So Muslims are Christians now? Mormons are different enough to be considered a new religion and not just a denomination.

Considered by who? They follow Christ so they are christian. What is so hard to understand about that? Do Muslims or Jews? No? Well then they're not.

Doesn't matter if Baptists, Protestants, shakers, quakers, candlestickmakers or any other strain of J-train riders like the idea or not. They use the same bible, have the same messiah and pray to the same god. Sure they have some details that set them apart but so do all the other denominations.

Jesus is one of the most important prophets in Islam. Mormonism diverges a lot from basic Chrisitianity, just like Islam does with Judaism and Christianity. Placing the events of the Bible in the Americas is a pretty big departure, so are the additions of other prophets. If Mormons are Christians, than Christians are Jews.

Yes but Jesus is not the messiah in Islam. Nor is he to Jews. This is what separates the 3 largest religions. He is the messiah to Christians and that is what makes them christian.

Also the Mormons do not place the events of the bible in the Americas. They use the exact same King James version of the bible the majority of other denominations do. They just have an additional book that covers what they believe took place in the new world. If you want to try a categorize a group you should get your facts straight about them before going all "Their Jesus ain't like our Jesus!"

I'm not Christian and have posted nothing to indicate I am. The fact that Mormons added a book and new prophets makes the a different religion from regular Christians. The difference between Catholics and Protestants has nothing to do with the books and prophet but different interpretations of the Bible. When you start making new books and writings you are not the same religion anymore.


I apologize if you thought I was trying to infer that you were a Christian, that was not my intent. Even so the basis of your argument is still the classic version of 'their Jesus is different from our Jesus' weather you subscribe to any faith or not.

It is also pointless to continue pointing out the differences between the denominations. No one said that there were not differences between them. All denominations have differences to varying degrees but that does not mean that they are not part of a similiar faith. While you can continue to argue semantics this does not change the fact that follower of Christ is still the very core definition of Christian and why you will continue to see Mormons listed as such in places like the article here. Choosing to see them as anything else does not magically change their designation.
 
2014-06-07 07:39:36 PM  

cynicalbastard: On one of the later Crusades they were besieging a Muslim city in North Africa when the city's ruler came out and asked them wtf was with the attack? One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"
Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"


When did this supposedly happen?

Anyway even if it did, note that city's ruler made a doctrinal mistake: Muslims are supposed to believe that there were Muslims for all time, all over the world. But that they've been called Christians (at the time of the Crucifixion), or some Jews before Christ showed up, or whatever.

/not that anyone takes this seriously
//but just pointing out the theological loopy logic
 
2014-06-07 11:30:43 PM  

letrole: cynicalbastard: One of the Crusaders, who must go down in history as one of the world's great religious ignoramuses, called out "Because you Muslims killed our Lord!"Dead silence. Followed by hilarity. Followed by "Umm, you know that there weren't any Muslims back then, right?"

When did this occur?


Siege of Mahdia, Tunisia, 1390. The Berber leader asked why the French had joined forces with the Genoese when they (the Berbers) had not done anything to them, and got the reply above, which must rank as one of the dumbest things to come out of a Crusader's mouth since Reynaud of Chatillon decided it would be a great idea to attack a Muslim caravan in spite of the truce and gave the order.
In all fairness, history instruction was likely not the strong suit of a typical French nobleman's education in the 14th century, most of which tended to concentrate on hitting people with various weapons, riding, singing rude songs and the occasional poem which very often was about the joys of hitting people, riding, etc. (Read about the 13th century Baron and poet Bertran de Born sometime. Fun guy from the sound of things.)
 
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