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2014-06-06 10:47:13 AM  

mrshowrules: SlothB77: Into the blue again: http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2014

there was a nice big gap between 1/6 - 1/11 with none.  must have been bad weather.  and from 3/25 to 4/2.

a nice break with just your standard kids accidentally killing themselves and your run of the mill murders and related gun crimes


Why is it called gun crime? Most of it involves gangs and drugs. Why don't you call it gang or drug crime?
 
2014-06-06 10:47:51 AM  
I know we all love a good circle jerk, but there are over 10,000 gun homicides in the US every year, or an average of at least 27 a day. I'm not going to look up the official number, but it's higher than that.

So, rather than freaking out every time the news media decides there's nothing more interesting to report, why don't we have a real discussion about realistic policy in a country of 300,000,000 people?
 
2014-06-06 10:48:21 AM  
I've heard of medical specialization, but an entire hospital dedicated to bellybuttons seems a bit extreme.
 
2014-06-06 10:49:01 AM  

msqualia: I think Australia's gun control policy is about what I'd like to see here.  It's very effective.


A complete ban on all magazine-fed semi-automatic rifles, with mandatory surrender of currently owned rifles, is unreasonable and is Constitutionally dubious.

The state of California, which the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence ranks "highest" in their gun control idealism, could not even succeed in passing a ban on the transfer of magazine-fed semi-automatic rifles without a confiscation clause.
 
2014-06-06 10:49:05 AM  

theorellior: I'll just put this here.

[www.mindhuestudio.com image 600x548]


I guess that is equally as relevant here as any other thread
 
2014-06-06 10:49:34 AM  

Giltric: dr_blasto: Giltric: AspectRatio: Take action now.
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For a knife crime?

Well arent you stupid.

The only knife crime I've seen is when my wife used one of my nice santoku knives to open a goddamn shipping box from Amazon. She had previously used one to cut up a frozen pizza on a metal pizza pan.

She just doesn't understand.

One of the best knives i have is over 100 years old with prussian proofmarks. It allows me to cut meat imto paper thin slices that i can lay across a salt block to "cook".

My wife was using it to unscrew the back of a remote control for my grandsons remote control car.

Im talking so thin you can see through the carpaccio.


I feel that pain. Mine is fully capable of making see-through meats. It is a handmade Japanese damascus-blade. She basically did the knife equivalent of taking a Ferrari Enzo on a rally race.

Why do they insist on picking the nicest one to use as a goddamn screwdriver?
 
2014-06-06 10:49:36 AM  

Giltric: Im talking so thin you can see through the carpaccio.


So thin the in-laws will never come back?

/Anyone else remember that commercial?
 
2014-06-06 10:49:41 AM  
oh well...

We all know that this is Obama's doing. He has sent 100's of nutjobs out there with leagal guns to set up this crisis. This is the plan to repeal the 2nd.

/cannot happen soon enough
 
2014-06-06 10:49:49 AM  
Satan's Superfluous Nipple: amyldoanitrite: Wow. All these incidents just happen to be taking place during my 10-day wait to pick up my first gun.

Let me qualify myself and put others at ease: a) I live in a rural area, and I was recently robbed; b) I got a .357 revolver for home defense, not some high-capacity pistol or AR-15; c) I am a white guy, but I'm not crazy.

Still, it's just kinda weirding me out.

On a related note, at every gun store I've been to I've had to put up with anti-Obama, anti-liberal small-talk from derping rednecks who assume I'm one of them. I just smile and nod. I've been tempted to fark with them and say I'm a socialist (I'm actually registered Green), but there are guns arounds and I'd probably be shot.

From your post, I figure you have small girly wrists so, a .357 was probably not a good choice for you.


The only person of the female persuasion I've lent a .357 revolver to, who couldn't cope with firing it is my mom. It isn't her wrists. She's just old and frail.
 
2014-06-06 10:50:15 AM  

Snarfangel: I've heard of medical specialization, but an entire hospital dedicated to bellybuttons seems a bit extreme.


Maybe that was the stabbers problem. He went to get his oranges looked at and found out they only deal with belly buttons.
 
2014-06-06 10:50:34 AM  

msqualia: I think the NRA, as the people most responsible for radicalizing the conversation, can collectively jump off a bridge.


I like having people research who the main financial contributors and leaders of the NRA are, they usually fall back on the defense they are protecting their capitalistic right as job builders, not that the NRA is the voice of firearm and ammo manufacturers using jingoistic patriotism and 2nd Amendment rhetoric to keep the people living in fear and buying their products en masse.

Then again, Republicans love living in fear. They even call themselves God Fearing Christians. Personally, I'm a God Loving Agnostic that likes firearms, and knows when I'm being lead by the nose to make purchases (see Steam Summer Sale for instance).
 
2014-06-06 10:50:41 AM  

Fubini: I know we all love a good circle jerk, but there are over 10,000 gun homicides in the US every year, or an average of at least 27 a day. I'm not going to look up the official number, but it's higher than that.

So, rather than freaking out every time the news media decides there's nothing more interesting to report, why don't we have a real discussion about realistic policy in a country of 300,000,000 people?


The last year in which more than 10,000 "gun homicides" occurred in the United States of America was 2007. The total number decreased yearly from that year to 2011 (the last year for data is available).
 
2014-06-06 10:50:55 AM  
Sorry, ant-gun nuts. Read TFA. It was a stabbing.
 
2014-06-06 10:51:23 AM  

fireclown: give me doughnuts: And we have been for decades:
www.boston.com

do you have a source for that data?  That's the kind of thing that I like keeping in my back pocket.



I just did a GIS for "mass shooting statistics US" and picked that one. I looks as if it have been published in a number of outlets, but I don't know who originally produced it.
 
2014-06-06 10:51:29 AM  

give me doughnuts: msqualia: Saying that gun murders are going down without mentioning that all murders are going down and the percent of murders which are committed with guns are about the same is misleading.


No, it's not. It is perfectly accurate.
It's the people who blame the tool used and not the murderer, that see it as misleading.

[www.gorillalol.com image 600x321]


Look, if I need to hammer in a nail and I don't have a hammer, my life is going to be harder.  A hammer is made to push in nails.  It can be done without a hammer, but it is the tool that is best for the job.  Fewer nails will be driven in.  I am not "blaming" the tool for that.  The hammer didn't drive in the nails, it just made it very very easy.

Guns make killing people easier.  If you make them less available, fewer people are murdered, and fewer people commit suicide.  We have ran this experiment.  It has been borne out.
 
2014-06-06 10:53:11 AM  

amyldoanitrite: Wow. All these incidents just happen to be taking place during my 10-day wait to pick up my first gun.

Let me qualify myself and put others at ease: a) I live in a rural area, and I was recently robbed; b) I got a .357 revolver for home defense, not some high-capacity pistol or AR-15; c) I am a white guy, but I'm not crazy.

Still, it's just kinda weirding me out.

On a related note, at every gun store I've been to I've had to put up with anti-Obama, anti-liberal small-talk from derping rednecks who assume I'm one of them. I just smile and nod. I've been tempted to fark with them and say I'm a socialist (I'm actually registered Green), but there are guns arounds and I'd probably be shot.


Id have probably gone with a shotgun for home defense. But thats just me.

But yeah Ive been to the gun stores and the range and ive run into people who have never owned a gun that are buying one because someone told them that Obama is going to ban guns and they better get one before its to late.
 
2014-06-06 10:53:42 AM  

mrshowrules: So you would have considered the outcome to have been better if this guy had a gun instead of a knife.  This a perfect example of the absence of gun improving outcomes.


We just did this in the other thread. Removing guns from society through prohibition does not necessarily reduce homicide rate. I'm not saying that it won't, I'm saying that we don't know if it will or will not. I'll go ahead and copy-paste for you. I was responding to someone else saying that we'd save "tens of thousands of lives" through gun prohibition.

We're currently barely breaking 10,000 gun homicides per year. In order to save "tens of thousands of lives every year" you'd have to presume that banning firearms will eliminate virtually all homicides committed with firearms. Consider that non-firearm weapons are currently used in 93% of non-fatal violent crimes, and in 32% of fatal violent crime, I have a hard time believing we're going to see a 90% reduction in homicides just because we've removed the weapon of choice.

The UK first banned semiautomatic shotguns and rifles in 1988, and then most semiautomatic handguns in 1997. Despite that, the overall homicide rate doesn't show any obvious reaction to those years (Figure 1.1), and in fact increased subsequently, and the overall violent crime rate went up as well.

The fact is that no one knows what effect a firearms ban will have on the homicide rate in the US. It's certainly not going to save "tens of thousands of lives". It's debatable whether it would save any statistically significant number of lives. It seems that things like the violent crime rate and the homicide rate are much more heavily influenced by large-scale social, economic, and demographic factors rather than the availability of specific weapons.
 
2014-06-06 10:54:26 AM  

msqualia: give me doughnuts: msqualia: Saying that gun murders are going down without mentioning that all murders are going down and the percent of murders which are committed with guns are about the same is misleading.


No, it's not. It is perfectly accurate.
It's the people who blame the tool used and not the murderer, that see it as misleading.

[www.gorillalol.com image 600x321]

Look, if I need to hammer in a nail and I don't have a hammer, my life is going to be harder.  A hammer is made to push in nails.  It can be done without a hammer, but it is the tool that is best for the job.  Fewer nails will be driven in.  I am not "blaming" the tool for that.  The hammer didn't drive in the nails, it just made it very very easy.

Guns make killing people easier.  If you make them less available, fewer people are murdered, and fewer people commit suicide.  We have ran this experiment.  It has been borne out.


How do you feel about nail guns?
 
2014-06-06 10:55:02 AM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Into the blue again: http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2014

there was a nice big gap between 1/6 - 1/11 with none.  must have been bad weather.  and from 3/25 to 4/2.

a nice break with just your standard kids accidentally killing themselves and your run of the mill murders and related gun crimes

Why is it called gun crime? Most of it involves gangs and drugs. Why don't you call it gang or drug crime?


Most murders are committed by someone who knows the victim. We should start calling them "Acquaintance crimes" instead of murders. That would be more accurate.

/Calling all crimes committed with guns "drug crimes" makes as much sense as all crimes involving drugs being called "gun crimes" even if there are no guns involved.
 
2014-06-06 10:55:23 AM  

Delta1212: CruJones: Igor Jakovsky: Its a STABBING but that hasnt stopped the derp brigade from showing up. Also Im guessing the mods wont edit the headline because an active stabber thread just wont generate the traffic that an active shooter thread will.

But now we get to use it to see who likes to gnash teeth and wail without even reading the article, which is like 83% of farkers.   It's almost always the same ones who "have no hope any more" "why bother" etc.  Someone else can go deeper into motivations.

In fairness, the article has been updated since it was submitted. Originally it said there was an active shooter.


The mods changed the headline and proved me wrong.
 
2014-06-06 10:55:26 AM  
AK-47...Assault Knife-model 47

hardymag.com

/damn Dundee wannabees...
 
2014-06-06 10:55:51 AM  

SlothB77: someone is going to have to update this chart to include a knife:

[images.ridemonkey.com image 421x351][www.kitchenknife.com image 294x316]


No, it was an assault knife.
www.c22webdesign.com
 
2014-06-06 10:56:10 AM  

Dimensio: The last year in which more than 10,000 "gun homicides" occurred in the United States of America was 2007. The total number decreased yearly from that year to 2011 (the last year for data is available).


I dunno. Not according to Pew:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/

In 2010 they report a firearm homicide rate of 3.6 per 100K people, and there are about 310 million people in the US, so 3.6 * 3100 = 11,160 firearm homicides.
 
2014-06-06 10:56:15 AM  
Next will be:

mngboxers.com
 
2014-06-06 10:56:20 AM  
Shooting at Atlanta Courthouse...

See folks, you just have to be patient for your daily shooting.
 
2014-06-06 10:56:35 AM  

Dimensio: Fubini: I know we all love a good circle jerk, but there are over 10,000 gun homicides in the US every year, or an average of at least 27 a day. I'm not going to look up the official number, but it's higher than that.

So, rather than freaking out every time the news media decides there's nothing more interesting to report, why don't we have a real discussion about realistic policy in a country of 300,000,000 people?

The last year in which more than 10,000 "gun homicides" occurred in the United States of America was 2007. The total number decreased yearly from that year to 2011 (the last year for data is available).


My statement is in error. Data is available through 2012; in the last year, total firearm homicides increased by 198 incidents (or a 2.2% increase from the 2011 data). The total was still below 10,000, however.
 
2014-06-06 10:56:41 AM  
just because the shooter chose to use a pistol that was a no-shot, solid barreled, non-pistol gripped handgun doesn't mean this wasn't a shooting.

/Glock makes some pretty dangerous no-shot, solid barreled, non-pistol gripped handguns. The should put a safety on those things
 
2014-06-06 10:58:01 AM  

MFAWG: Mudgen: So, can we finally begin a discussion about high capacity pocket knives?

fark it. A pocket knife has uses besides stabbing something. A gun has literally NO OTHER PURPOSE than to kill something. Every other use it has is to practice killing something.

So just stop it. It's a stupid talking point, and you should feel stupid.


So if I can prove any type of gun exists that has other uses besides "Practicing killing something", you'd be okay with wholesale ownership of them? This is the argument you make against restricting knives, so be careful.

Avalanche Control

Contruction

Olympic sports

Non-lethal Animal care and control

Must I really go on? Your argument is flawed, and it exposes your irrational fear of inanimate objects. But then again, your kind of people always seek to blame anything but the person involved for a crime. Blame the tools, blame the person's minority status, blame everything but the person, because that would be "Insensitive" or it might "Hurt their feelings". When tighter controls are implemented over those who are insane allowing those who are a risk to themselves and others to be locked up, then, and only then, shall we see any further improvement over the current statistics. Banning firearms or further restricting their sales solves the real problem the same way cutting the wires to your dash fixes a "Check engine" light: yes, the light goes away, but the root problem is still there and will continue to get worse the longer you drive.
 
2014-06-06 10:58:17 AM  

R.A.Danny: msqualia: R.A.Danny: msqualia: R.A.Danny: ITT: Liberals pissed off that no one was shot.

Are you stupid?  You sound stupid.

You're hearing things.

Huuuuuur.

4 weeks a Farker? Who's alt are you?


I think you sound stupid too, and I've been here for a little while.
 
2014-06-06 10:58:20 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: Satan's Superfluous Nipple: amyldoanitrite: Wow. All these incidents just happen to be taking place during my 10-day wait to pick up my first gun.

Let me qualify myself and put others at ease: a) I live in a rural area, and I was recently robbed; b) I got a .357 revolver for home defense, not some high-capacity pistol or AR-15; c) I am a white guy, but I'm not crazy.

Still, it's just kinda weirding me out.

On a related note, at every gun store I've been to I've had to put up with anti-Obama, anti-liberal small-talk from derping rednecks who assume I'm one of them. I just smile and nod. I've been tempted to fark with them and say I'm a socialist (I'm actually registered Green), but there are guns arounds and I'd probably be shot.

From your post, I figure you have small girly wrists so, a .357 was probably not a good choice for you.

The only person of the female persuasion I've lent a .357 revolver to, who couldn't cope with firing it is my mom. It isn't her wrists. She's just old and frail.


I was being snarky. You might want to get your snark detector checked. The retardation from the OP didn't warrant a serious response.
 
2014-06-06 10:58:52 AM  

dr_blasto: Giltric: dr_blasto: Giltric: AspectRatio: Take action now.
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For a knife crime?

Well arent you stupid.

The only knife crime I've seen is when my wife used one of my nice santoku knives to open a goddamn shipping box from Amazon. She had previously used one to cut up a frozen pizza on a metal pizza pan.

She just doesn't understand.

One of the best knives i have is over 100 years old with prussian proofmarks. It allows me to cut meat imto paper thin slices that i can lay across a salt block to "cook".

My wife was using it to unscrew the back of a remote control for my grandsons remote control car.

Im talking so thin you can see through the carpaccio.

I feel that pain. Mine is fully capable of making see-through meats. It is a handmade Japanese damascus-blade. She basically did the knife equivalent of taking a Ferrari Enzo on a rally race.

Why do they insist on picking the nicest one to use as a goddamn screwdriver?



Mine isn't a nice tall blade it has the carving knife profile.

henckelknives.net


The household tool kit was in the pantry next to the batteries.... o.O
 
2014-06-06 10:59:34 AM  

Fubini: The UK first banned semiautomatic shotguns and rifles in 1988, and then most semiautomatic handguns in 1997. Despite that, the overall homicide rate doesn't show any obvious reaction to those years (Figure 1.1), and in fact increased subsequently, and the overall violent crime rate went up as well.


You fail to understand the argument.

The United Kingdom imposed severe bans on firearms.
Australia also imposed severe bans on firearms.

Both nations show a lower homicide rate than the United States of America.

Therefore, the severe bans on firearms in those nations is responsible for their homicide rates being lower than the rate in the United States of America.

Examining the change in homicide rates in the nations after the imposition of strict firearm prohibitions is an irrelevant red herring.
 
2014-06-06 10:59:43 AM  

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Into the blue again: http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2014

there was a nice big gap between 1/6 - 1/11 with none.  must have been bad weather.  and from 3/25 to 4/2.

a nice break with just your standard kids accidentally killing themselves and your run of the mill murders and related gun crimes

Why is it called gun crime? Most of it involves gangs and drugs. Why don't you call it gang or drug crime?


Because 'Blacks' or 'Hispanics'.....and that would be racist!
 
2014-06-06 10:59:47 AM  

ferretman: Anti-gun Farkers are shown as the idiots they are....it was a stabbing. So I guess there is a need to ban all knives as there is no real use for them....


Has someone on this thread suggested banning guns? I must have missed that.
 
2014-06-06 10:59:55 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-06 11:00:28 AM  

PisnNapalm: Umm... The headline when you click on the link says...
"Stabbing reported at Naval Medical Center Portsmouth; Search for suspect in progress"

Stabbing is different from shooting, unless you're shooting knives at things, then I guess it can be both.



pic.jpgdump.com
 
2014-06-06 11:02:03 AM  

S10Calade: [img.fark.net image 480x422]


pure bullshiat
 
2014-06-06 11:02:17 AM  

S10Calade: [img.fark.net image 480x422]


That is some BEAUTIFUL rhetoric there. Damn, I mean, that's just freaking amazing. It;s like Glenn Beck extolling the virtues of American Medicine as the best in the world until Obamacare, and now it's all sullied and he goes to Canada for his cranialanalectomies.
 
2014-06-06 11:03:23 AM  
Is this like a viral marketing campaign for the next movie in the 28 Days Later series?

/With simultaneous premiers in Canada and US
 
2014-06-06 11:03:32 AM  

Dimensio: Witness99: mschwenk: AspectRatio: Take action now.
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I'm pregnant

Congratulations!

What, exactly, triggers this new filter?


Zero slash 10.
 
2014-06-06 11:03:52 AM  

Fubini: Dimensio: The last year in which more than 10,000 "gun homicides" occurred in the United States of America was 2007. The total number decreased yearly from that year to 2011 (the last year for data is available).

I dunno. Not according to Pew:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/

In 2010 they report a firearm homicide rate of 3.6 per 100K people, and there are about 310 million people in the US, so 3.6 * 3100 = 11,160 firearm homicides.


For some reason, I am inclined to trust the absolute number reported by a federal agency over an estimate derived from a reported per capita rate.

/The FBI data is also counting only "murders", though I doubt that excluding justified homicides would create that much of a difference.
 
2014-06-06 11:05:13 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-06 11:05:46 AM  

Fubini: The UK first banned semiautomatic shotguns and rifles in 1988, and then most semiautomatic handguns in 1997. Despite that, the overall homicide rate doesn't show any obvious reaction to those years (Figure 1.1), and in fact increased subsequently, and the overall violent crime rate went up as well.


The problem with that is that the UK's violent crime rate has been going up for decades, while ours has been in decline.  It is much more likely to be a third cause and not the availability of guns in the United States or the UK.
 
2014-06-06 11:05:47 AM  

mschwenk: Dimensio: Witness99: mschwenk: AspectRatio: Take action now.
http://www.bradycampaign.org

I'm pregnant

Congratulations!

What, exactly, triggers this new filter?

Zero slash 10.


I will likely be unaffected, then. I typically only report scores of potato.
 
2014-06-06 11:08:31 AM  

Giltric: Witness99: Dimensio: Witness99: mschwenk: AspectRatio: Take action now.
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I'm pregnant

Congratulations!

What, exactly, triggers this new filter?

Not sure, I think the mods change it depending on the thread. I usually get misquoted saying something about "weeners"

Zero out of ten


Trolympics score


LOL, I bet some moderator got tired of people giving them poor troll grades.  Why else the hell would you filter that except you got all pissy one day.
 
2014-06-06 11:08:38 AM  

Giltric: dr_blasto: Giltric: dr_blasto: Giltric: AspectRatio: Take action now.
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For a knife crime?

Well arent you stupid.

The only knife crime I've seen is when my wife used one of my nice santoku knives to open a goddamn shipping box from Amazon. She had previously used one to cut up a frozen pizza on a metal pizza pan.

She just doesn't understand.

One of the best knives i have is over 100 years old with prussian proofmarks. It allows me to cut meat imto paper thin slices that i can lay across a salt block to "cook".

My wife was using it to unscrew the back of a remote control for my grandsons remote control car.

Im talking so thin you can see through the carpaccio.

I feel that pain. Mine is fully capable of making see-through meats. It is a handmade Japanese damascus-blade. She basically did the knife equivalent of taking a Ferrari Enzo on a rally race.

Why do they insist on picking the nicest one to use as a goddamn screwdriver?


Mine isn't a nice tall blade it has the carving knife profile.

[henckelknives.net image 600x425]


The household tool kit was in the pantry next to the batteries.... o.O


i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-06 11:08:48 AM  
Well, one thing is apparent:  people who fear guns also fear guns when it's a knife.

/Myabe this is why they especially fear a bayaonet lug on a rifle.  Only the debil needs that.
 
2014-06-06 11:09:45 AM  

menschenfresser: mschwenk: menschenfresser: And there are people out there who think ubiquitous firearms are what keep "gubmint" from "taking away our freedumbs" or something. Uh huh. Well what about the freedom the rest of us have not to live in a perpetual mass murder society? Fark your "rights" to deadly weapons. And fark you too if you think you have a "right" to force this kind of third-world murderocracy on the rest of us.

Are you off of your meds?

Well apparently I am, if it was really just a stabbing and not a mass shooting.

Just give it a couple of hours and we'll have a mass shooting. We always do. Just tired of living in a society full of morons who are all armed to the teeth, I guess. I love America and this isn't the one I was born in. This is a parody of it.


You do know violent crime rates have crashed since the 1960s, and that mass murders have been around for at least a hundred years? Its not actually happening more often, it just wasn't reported as much.
 
2014-06-06 11:10:11 AM  
But this incident will still be used as a data point for every chart generated for the next ten years to "prove" that mass shootings are on the rise and only by seizing and destroying every gun that isn't assigned to a liberal's personal team of security guards can anyone ever be safe.

/because it could have been a shooting
 
2014-06-06 11:13:58 AM  

mrshowrules: Giltric: Its always the stupid farkers who haven't read the article or thread who wants more gun laws passed.

Why should we listen to you again?

So you would have considered the outcome to have been better if this guy had a gun instead of a knife.  This a perfect example of the absence of gun improving outcomes.


Unless the gun was owned by the person who was assaulted. Heaven forbid someone be able to protect themselves from an attacker.
 
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