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2014-06-06 11:25:30 AM  
As a species, it's one of our special talents.
 
2014-06-06 11:48:44 AM  
This is why Happy Feet emphasized overfishing and not climate change.
 
2014-06-06 11:57:53 AM  
duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor
 
2014-06-06 01:29:31 PM  
disseminatedthought.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-06 01:54:42 PM  

namatad: duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor


Well, to be completely fair, climate change almost certainly enabled humans to spread, so it could be indirectly responsible.
 
2014-06-06 02:26:06 PM  

dittybopper: namatad: duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor

Well, to be completely fair, climate change almost certainly enabled humans to spread, so it could be indirectly responsible.


Complex, interconnected systems FTW.
 
2014-06-06 02:29:59 PM  

dittybopper: namatad: duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor

Well, to be completely fair, climate change almost certainly enabled humans to spread, so it could be indirectly responsible.


yawn
Of course lower water levels, openning the land bridges to the americas and australia, where how the humans go there.

Doesnt change the facts. Humans hunt things to extinction. Always have, always will.
I wonder how many extinct species there were in africa. There is a reason that species that survived are so insanely fast.
 
2014-06-06 02:43:10 PM  

namatad: dittybopper: namatad: duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor

Well, to be completely fair, climate change almost certainly enabled humans to spread, so it could be indirectly responsible.

yawn
Of course lower water levels, openning the land bridges to the americas and australia, where how the humans go there.

Doesnt change the facts. Humans hunt things to extinction. Always have, always will.
I wonder how many extinct species there were in africa. There is a reason that species that survived are so insanely fast.


I don't get the sense he was favoring one explanation over the other.  Only that there are multiple factors to consider.

I could be wrong.  But I've had a shiatty week getting beat up by a customer so I'm trying to stay upbeat!

/those germans really aren't always smiles und sunshine
 
2014-06-06 03:24:00 PM  
THIS THREAD IS NOW INCREDIBLY AWESOME
 
2014-06-06 03:26:25 PM  
So like caveman chocobos.
 
2014-06-06 03:26:27 PM  

ArkAngel: [disseminatedthought.files.wordpress.com image 431x297]


There's a blast from the past! I haven't seen that since I was about 9 or 10.
 
2014-06-06 03:27:12 PM  
If you can stay on for 8 seconds you get a belt buckle.
 
2014-06-06 03:27:23 PM  
They got a lot better after they hired Dave and became Van Halen.
 
2014-06-06 03:30:14 PM  
WWJR?

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2014-06-06 03:30:21 PM  
j-walkblog.com
 
2014-06-06 03:32:09 PM  
Nice headline, Bruce Dickinson
 
2014-06-06 03:32:23 PM  
Except for Tim. Damn lazy bastard was not help at all during a hunt, but always ate more than his share of ribs.
 
2014-06-06 03:34:26 PM  

namatad: duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor


This.  I had no idea this was even still being debated.  I guess maybe people still holding on to the "noble savage" nonsense or people really amped up about global warming?

dittybopper: namatad: duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor

Well, to be completely fair, climate change almost certainly enabled humans to spread, so it could be indirectly responsible.


I see what you did there.
 
2014-06-06 03:35:01 PM  
It contradicts theory large animals became extinct due to climate change

Suck it, Al Gore
 
2014-06-06 03:35:27 PM  
The old TV series the "Outer Limits" put it perfectly in the episode "The Zanti Misfits" An alien species the Zanti's, who can not kill its own, send their rejects to earth knowing that we could not stomach having them share the earth. After we wipe them out, just as the Zanti overlords had hoped the Zanti overlords congratulate humans for being "practiced executioners"
 
2014-06-06 03:42:34 PM  
ArkAngel:

I had some of those toys as a young girl. Oh, the memories!
 
2014-06-06 03:43:52 PM  
I thought this had been the accepted theory for quite some time.
 
2014-06-06 03:44:20 PM  
The actual paper is open access (available free online)
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/281/1787/20133254
Global late Quaternary megafauna extinctions linked to humans, not climate change

// maybe I'll look at it when I get back from the gym.
 
2014-06-06 03:47:41 PM  
I don't buy it. What was the human population 10,000 years ago? There were far too few humans to wipe out a species back then.
 
2014-06-06 03:50:38 PM  
cs9478.vk.me

"I killed all the Ma-mooth!"
 
2014-06-06 03:50:53 PM  
Too bad because mamouth meat is lean like bison but flavorful like ground chuck. Grilled mmmmmamouth, mmmmmmmmm.
 
2014-06-06 03:51:02 PM  
I've been told by Bronze Age illiterate nomadic sheep herders that a world-wide flood wiped out all those animals less than 6,000 years ago. I'm gonna go with that over your "science."
 
2014-06-06 03:51:47 PM  
Had they had a reasonable spear-control law in place and a goverment agency for environmental protection this may have never happened.
 
2014-06-06 03:53:52 PM  
I bet in another thousand years, if man survives, someone will try to pin the lack of bison on climate change.
That, and passenger pigeons.
 
2014-06-06 03:55:16 PM  

encephlavator: I don't buy it. What was the human population 10,000 years ago? There were far too few humans to wipe out a species back then.


I'm sure this assumption is based on hard data, right?  You have at least a little math to back this up, right?
 
2014-06-06 03:58:22 PM  

socoloco: Had they had a reasonable spear-control law in place and a goverment agency for environmental protection this may have never happened.



Don't be ridiculous. If they controlled spear use, people would have just used a crossbow.
 
2014-06-06 04:00:54 PM  

encephlavator: I don't buy it. What was the human population 10,000 years ago? There were far too few humans to wipe out a species back then.


I know, right? And a few hundred Spaniards couldn't have possibly wiped out the indigenous population of the New World.
 
2014-06-06 04:03:33 PM  
There were giant flightless birds in New Zealand and Madagascar UNTIL humans showed up!

  The idea that Native Americans wiped out the Mammoth is politically incorrect even though it is probably the right one. Why? Because it flies in the face of the conceit held by anthropologists AND native Americans alike that the Native American lived in harmony with nature and The Americas were a paradise until despoiled by Europeans. Good luck getting you fact accepted as gospel against the PC tide that wishes you would not even investigate the issue.
 
2014-06-06 04:03:47 PM  

HairBolus: The actual paper is open access (available free online)
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/281/1787/20133254
Global late Quaternary megafauna extinctions linked to humans, not climate change

// maybe I'll look at it when I get back from the gym.


Are you 26 minutes away?
 
2014-06-06 04:04:25 PM  

dittybopper: As a species, it's one of our special talents.


Riding dinosaurs or wiping out woolly mammoths? I haven't done either in quite a while.
 
2014-06-06 04:04:55 PM  

vudukungfu: I bet in another thousand years, if man survives, someone will try to pin the lack of bison on climate change.
That, and passenger pigeons.



What about in the year 2525?
 
2014-06-06 04:05:04 PM  

namatad: dittybopper: namatad: duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor

Well, to be completely fair, climate change almost certainly enabled humans to spread, so it could be indirectly responsible.

yawn
Of course lower water levels, openning the land bridges to the americas and australia, where how the humans go there.

Doesnt change the facts. Humans hunt things to extinction. Always have, always will.
I wonder how many extinct species there were in africa. There is a reason that species that survived are so insanely fast.


Bison seem to have survived just fine, and similar-sized elephants and big cats in Africa and India have only recently being threatened with the advent of guns and growing human populations. I'm just not convinced a stone age population size and technology level could drive so many species to extinction, especially cats with sharp pointy teeth that aren't all that easy to kill with spears and arrows.
 
2014-06-06 04:05:22 PM  

FLMountainMan: encephlavator: I don't buy it. What was the human population 10,000 years ago? There were far too few humans to wipe out a species back then.

I'm sure this assumption is based on hard data, right?  You have at least a little math to back this up, right?


Is your counter assumption backed up by hard or soft data?
 
2014-06-06 04:08:54 PM  
31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-06 04:09:29 PM  

DubtodaIll: FLMountainMan: encephlavator: I don't buy it. What was the human population 10,000 years ago? There were far too few humans to wipe out a species back then.

I'm sure this assumption is based on hard data, right?  You have at least a little math to back this up, right?

Is your counter assumption backed up by hard or soft data?


The topic makes me horny, so I'm gonna say hard.  I can't speak for  FLMountainMan.
 
2014-06-06 04:10:15 PM  

Tyrano Soros: encephlavator: I don't buy it. What was the human population 10,000 years ago? There were far too few humans to wipe out a species back then.

I know, right? And a few hundred Spaniards couldn't have possibly wiped out the indigenous population of the New World.


It's a little harder to wipe out a species when you don't have guns, and your diseases can't infect the animals. The Americas are huge place, and I don't really see how we could hunt down almost every breeding pair with a relatively small and spread out population, yet still leave so many other large species untouched.
 
2014-06-06 04:13:25 PM  
Had there been mammoth meat Atouk would have been able to zugzug Lana.  No wonder we wiped them out.
 
2014-06-06 04:13:56 PM  
Yes, along with a change in vegetation due to climate change
 
2014-06-06 04:15:05 PM  
What about mastodons? Do they still only exist in Fark hockey threads?
 
2014-06-06 04:15:11 PM  

Diogenes: namatad: dittybopper: namatad: duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor

Well, to be completely fair, climate change almost certainly enabled humans to spread, so it could be indirectly responsible.

yawn
Of course lower water levels, openning the land bridges to the americas and australia, where how the humans go there.

Doesnt change the facts. Humans hunt things to extinction. Always have, always will.
I wonder how many extinct species there were in africa. There is a reason that species that survived are so insanely fast.

I don't get the sense he was favoring one explanation over the other.  Only that there are multiple factors to consider.

I could be wrong.  But I've had a shiatty week getting beat up by a customer so I'm trying to stay upbeat!

/those germans really aren't always smiles und sunshine


Actually, if you look at my post at the very beginning of this thread, I point out that it's one of our special talents as a species.
 
2014-06-06 04:16:07 PM  

Diogenes: DubtodaIll: FLMountainMan: encephlavator: I don't buy it. What was the human population 10,000 years ago? There were far too few humans to wipe out a species back then.

I'm sure this assumption is based on hard data, right?  You have at least a little math to back this up, right?

Is your counter assumption backed up by hard or soft data?

The topic makes me horny, so I'm gonna say hard.  I can't speak for  FLMountainMan.


Maybe that's the crux of it.  The mammoths evolved to deal with the icy climate which made them so ugly they didn't want to fark each other anymore.  Or maybe humans accidentally killed all the woolly-fetish mammoths which makes sense because we all know those kind of fetisheers are always going to be the slowest part of a herd.  All the other upstanding mammoths just couldn't deal.
 
2014-06-06 04:16:52 PM  

Tyrano Soros: encephlavator: I don't buy it. What was the human population 10,000 years ago? There were far too few humans to wipe out a species back then.

I know, right? And a few hundred Spaniards couldn't have possibly wiped out the indigenous population of the New World.


To be fair, that was more disease and less murder. If course. There was plenty of murder.
 
2014-06-06 04:18:09 PM  

namatad: dittybopper: namatad: duh
this was obvious since day one

option 1) climate change killed everything at exactly the same moment humans got there
option 2) humans got there and killed everything

occam's razor

Well, to be completely fair, climate change almost certainly enabled humans to spread, so it could be indirectly responsible.

yawn
Of course lower water levels, openning the land bridges to the americas and australia, where how the humans go there.

Doesnt change the facts. Humans hunt things to extinction. Always have, always will.
I wonder how many extinct species there were in africa. There is a reason that species that survived are so insanely fast.


The only mammal humans can't hunt down by simply running is horses.
 
2014-06-06 04:18:28 PM  
Wait until they find the mammoth DNA in some mosquito buried in amber...

www.fritriac.de

<terminator> I'll be back! </terminator>
 
2014-06-06 04:18:40 PM  

Delawheredad: There were giant flightless birds in New Zealand and Madagascar UNTIL humans showed up!

  The idea that Native Americans wiped out the Mammoth is politically incorrect even though it is probably the right one. Why? Because it flies in the face of the conceit held by anthropologists AND native Americans alike that the Native American lived in harmony with nature and The Americas were a paradise until despoiled by Europeans. Good luck getting you fact accepted as gospel against the PC tide that wishes you would not even investigate the issue.


These are the same Native Americans that hunted bison by stampeding entire herds over cliffs until the Spanish hooked them up with horses?
 
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