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2014-06-06 05:39:32 PM
i still need to get my wife's car fixed. thanks for the reminder.
 
2014-06-06 05:59:19 PM
Current CEO's only been on the job for a few months, subby.
 
2014-06-06 06:55:58 PM
The buck stops at middle management
 
2014-06-06 07:38:31 PM
This is the first time in years that the words 'GM' and 'fires' can be used together without issuing a recall.
 
2014-06-06 08:07:54 PM
There will still be bonuses for senior execs though, right?
 
2014-06-06 08:29:42 PM
Given that GM has only announced the position of one of the firees (the engineer who designed the switch), it's safe to assume the firings don't go very far up the management chain.  If the firings extended to the director or executive level, GM's PR people would be pointing to it saying "See?  We're serious about fixing the problems."
 
2014-06-06 08:30:39 PM
Please understand that I feel real remorse for the families of the deceased. I have to know, is anyone else looking forward to the eventual court fight that is going to ensue when these families take GM to court to try and get part of the bankruptcy nullified so they can sue GM for full liability? Cause I know I am.
 
2014-06-06 08:31:21 PM
The engineer hid and covered up the problem.  This is one of the rare instances where it probably isn't the CEO's fault.

/Confession is good for the engineer's soul.
//Seriously, the worse they can do is fire you.  Courts will do much worse.
///This could have just been an onerous 8D and a note in your record.
 
2014-06-06 08:39:57 PM
Let's see...
Government owns GM
Government fires GM CEO, replaces with their own guy
GM makes cars with defects
GM covers up evidence, does not recall vehicles
Government-picked CEO resigns
Government sells all GM stock makes huge profit
GM admits defects, recalls everything
GM stock plunges
Government fines GM
GM pays fines...to Government

No, nothing smells here at all
 
2014-06-06 08:42:56 PM
This is what happens when you put a woman in charge.
 
2014-06-06 08:46:22 PM
A new car built by a company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should they initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, they don't do one.
 
2014-06-06 08:56:45 PM
Have they fired the guys who question your auto shop on "why they would need a 2nd replacement part?"

(Answer: The first one you sent didn't work.  Car in shop 3 weeks now.)
 
2014-06-06 09:00:17 PM

AngryDragon: This is what happens when you put a woman in charge.


They go back in time and fark things up? Sneaky.
 
2014-06-06 09:06:30 PM

WayToBlue: AngryDragon: This is what happens when you put a woman in charge.

They go back in time and fark things up? Sneaky.


Obama's a women?
 
2014-06-06 09:10:21 PM

jayphat: Please understand that I feel real remorse for the families of the deceased. I have to know, is anyone else looking forward to the eventual court fight that is going to ensue when these families take GM to court to try and get part of the bankruptcy nullified so they can sue GM for full liability? Cause I know I am.


I heard somewhere part of the bail out removed any liability gm had for this. Think it was the daily show
 
2014-06-06 09:20:56 PM

NickelP: jayphat: Please understand that I feel real remorse for the families of the deceased. I have to know, is anyone else looking forward to the eventual court fight that is going to ensue when these families take GM to court to try and get part of the bankruptcy nullified so they can sue GM for full liability? Cause I know I am.

I heard somewhere part of the bail out removed any liability gm had for this. Think it was the daily show


Part of all bankruptcy does that. However, if you can prove in court that said bankruptcy was done under fall pretenses of liability being known and not disclosed(as is kinda evident from all the documents uncovered), then said liability shielding for particular event can be reversed. Or so was explained by the Fark Lawyer Brigade.
 
2014-06-06 09:35:28 PM

browser_snake: Let's see...
Government owns GM
Government fires GM CEO, replaces with their own guy
GM makes cars with defects
GM covers up evidence, does not recall vehicles
Government-picked CEO resigns
Government sells all GM stock makes huge profit
GM admits defects, recalls everything
GM stock plunges
Government fines GM
GM pays fines...to Government

No, nothing smells here at all


...we've officially run out of chickens. You're gonna have to fark this turkey if you wanna keep linking everything to Obammer.
 
2014-06-06 09:40:05 PM

skinink: A new car built by a company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should they initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, they don't do one.


<smartass>

Is that why Detroit went to almost 100% front wheel drive, to avoid rear differential lockups? Sounds like they were thinking ahead.

</smartass>
 
2014-06-06 09:47:30 PM

browser_snake: Let's see...
Government sells all GM stock makes huge profit


You really haven't been paying attention.
 
2014-06-06 10:17:04 PM
Because when you think major model recalls and faulty engineering, you automatically think it's the CEO's fault.

Stop giving them so much credit, people. They're only there to spend the money.
 
2014-06-06 10:29:24 PM

rjakobi: Because when you think major model recalls and faulty engineering, you automatically think it's the CEO's fault.

Stop giving them so much credit, people. They're only there to spend the money.


I agree.

Technically, they dont have to do anything. Voluntarily setting up the fund is a step in the right direction.
 
2014-06-06 10:35:59 PM
Why aren't people going to jail behind this shiat. They knew there was a problem, they ignored it, people died - at the very least it is criminally negligent homicide isn't it?
 
2014-06-06 10:51:29 PM

DVOM: browser_snake: Let's see...
Government sells all GM stock makes huge profit

You really haven't been paying attention.


The only reason that didn't seem like a huge profit is just how large our government became.
 
2014-06-06 11:00:18 PM

browser_snake: Let's see...
Government owns GM
Government fires GM CEO, replaces with their own guy
GM makes cars with defects
GM covers up evidence, does not recall vehicles
Government-picked CEO resigns
Government sells all GM stock makes huge profit
GM admits defects, recalls everything
GM stock plunges
Government fines GM
GM pays fines...to Government

No, nothing smells here at all


The defective part was produced, and fixed(albeit on the down low), years before the bankruptcy...

But don't let facts confused you...
 
2014-06-06 11:10:55 PM

wildcardjack: DVOM: browser_snake: Let's see...
Government sells all GM stock makes huge profit

You really haven't been paying attention.

The only reason that didn't seem like a huge profit is just how large our government became.


Wow. Even I hated the GM bailout. But the government made ZERO profit off of it. We, the United States taxpayers, LOST money on that transaction. In Billions. WITH A B.
 
2014-06-06 11:17:51 PM

WayToBlue: AngryDragon: This is what happens when you put a woman in charge.

They go back in time and fark things up? Sneaky.


No no no. Obama went back in his time machine to screw it up.
 
2014-06-06 11:23:06 PM

llort dam eht: Why aren't people going to jail behind this shiat. They knew there was a problem, they ignored it, people died - at the very least it is criminally negligent homicide isn't it?


Not in America.
 
2014-06-06 11:40:11 PM

Ziabatsu: The engineer hid and covered up the problem.  This is one of the rare instances where it probably isn't the CEO's fault.

/Confession is good for the engineer's soul.
//Seriously, the worse they can do is fire you.  Courts will do much worse.
///This could have just been an onerous 8D and a note in your record.


It doesn't sound like a cover-up as much as misjudging how serious the issue was. So he recorded it as a change to remove a customer annoyance because he didn't know it was a safety issue. This is why DFMEA reviews are important.
 
2014-06-06 11:44:10 PM

ManateeGag: i still need to get my wife's car fixed. thanks for the reminder.


Or do you? How's that life insurance policy looking?
 
2014-06-06 11:57:41 PM

skinink: A new car built by a company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should they initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, they don't do one.


or NHTSA can force the company to do a recall, which the agency refused to do in this case after a series of suspicious crashes.
 
2014-06-07 12:36:01 AM
Do you know why my Chevrolet is only getting like 12MPG?

/http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/06/want-to- boo st-fuel-economy-stop-thinking-about-miles-per-gallon/
//runs like a scalded cat though
///Swiss engineering?  Doubtful
 
2014-06-07 12:39:40 AM

jayphat: NickelP: jayphat: Please understand that I feel real remorse for the families of the deceased. I have to know, is anyone else looking forward to the eventual court fight that is going to ensue when these families take GM to court to try and get part of the bankruptcy nullified so they can sue GM for full liability? Cause I know I am.

I heard somewhere part of the bail out removed any liability gm had for this. Think it was the daily show

Part of all bankruptcy does that. However, if you can prove in court that said bankruptcy was done under fall pretenses of liability being known and not disclosed(as is kinda evident from all the documents uncovered), then said liability shielding for particular event can be reversed. Or so was explained by the Fark Lawyer Brigade.


G.M.'s Bankruptcy Will Probably Shield It From Most New Claims:
 
2014-06-07 01:08:10 AM
There's just no merit in GM existing at all. Sell the entire company to Tesla, then let Elon burn 90% of it for energy to charge his batteries.
 
2014-06-07 01:09:57 AM

browser_snake: Let's see...
Government owns GM
Government fires GM CEO, replaces with their own guy
GM makes cars with defects
GM covers up evidence, does not recall vehicles
Government-picked CEO resigns
Government sells all GM stock makes huge profit
GM admits defects, recalls everything
GM stock plunges
Government fines GM
GM pays fines...to Government

No, nothing smells here at all


GM fined 35 million for neglect to act for 10 years.

Toyota fined for 1.2 Billion for trying to cover up problems which no offense, actually show they are responding to, not just ignoring a problem.

Move a long please, nothing to see here.
 
2014-06-07 01:10:38 AM

rjakobi: Because when you think major model recalls and faulty engineering, you automatically think it's the CEO's fault.

Stop giving them so much credit, people. They're only there to spend the money.




Well, all that outsourcing to China wasn't the unions idea.
 
2014-06-07 02:24:24 AM
Mitch Taylor's Bro: Current CEO's only been on the job for a few months, subby.

[I find it beyond credulity or intellectual honesty, that any FARK apologist can say Mary Barra, or anyone else in Executive Management at GM did not know about this as early as 2005.

As early as 2005,Mary Barra was the Executive Director, Vehicle Manufacturing Engineering. If she was named to that post and was unaware back then, then she and everyone else in Executive Management at GM, including the Board of Directors, who approved her promotion in 2005, should be criminally liable for negligence, and their salaries should be clawed back by the Bankruptcy court, on behalf of all the shareholders who lost everything, and creditors of GM who were given next to nothing-nhoj1962]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16740.html  Updated: 12/19/08 1:31 PM EDT
President George W. Bush stepped in Friday to keep America's auto industry afloat, announcing a $17.4 billion bailout for GM and Chrysler, with the terms of the loans requiring that the firms radically restructure and show they can become profitable soon.

The money will come from the Wall Street bailout passed by Congress, a reversal for the White House. President-elect Barack Obama and Democrats had long advocated that course, and Bush had resisted it.


[President Bush fell on his sword for this bailout and GM bankruptcy he did not support in the least, pretty magnanimous-nhoj1962]

[Furthermore, if anyone on the Obama transition team did not know this issue was present at the time Bush approved the bankruptcy as part of the bailout, they should never be allowed to take another dime of Govt. pay, and should be denied any accrued pension for such earnings since then. Bush invited the transition team into all negotiations. The bankruptcy judge in this case, if he had any knowledge whatsoever, or even a suspicion, should be removed from the bench and denied his pension since the bankruptcy was approved.-nhoj1962]

2007 Annual Report [First Annual Report Reference I found Mary Barra was referenced in-nhoj1962]
General Motors Senior Leadership Group (as of April 1, 2008), Mary T. Barra, GM Vice President, Global Manufacturing Engineering

New Leadership (As of April 1, 2011)  2010 Annual Report
Mary T. Barra, senior Vice President, Global Product Development

 [I could not find a GM Annual Report for 2008 or 2009 which makes sense, as there were no shareholders to report to during that time-nhoj1962]

2011 SEC filing  http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1467858/000146785812000014/gm2 0 1110k.htm#s8EF7834BE4E777188CAF1031CB30C168

Safety

In the U.S. if a vehicle or vehicle equipment does not comply with a safety standard or if a vehicle defect creates an unreasonable safety risk the manufacturer is required to notify owners and provide a remedy. We are required to report certain information relating to certain customer complaints, warranty claims, field reports and notices and claims involving property damage, injuries and fatalities in the U.S. and claims involving fatalities outside the U.S. We are also required to report information concerning

GENERAL MOTORS COMPANY AND SUBSIDIARIES

safety recalls and other safety campaigns outside the U.S.

Outside the U.S. safety standards and recall regulations often have the same purpose as the U.S. standards but may differ in their requirements and test procedures. Other countries pass regulations which are more stringent than U.S. standards. Many countries require type approval while the U.S. and Canada require self-certification.

[further down, this-nhoj1962]
Executive Officers of the Registrant
The names and ages as of February 27, 2012 of our executive officers and their positions and offices with GM are as follows:

[sixth person listed-nhoj1962]
Mary T. Barra (50)
GM Senior Vice President, Global Product Development

[listed below the roster of Executive Officers are their Bios-nhoj1962]
Mary T. Barra was named GM Senior Vice President, Global Product Development in February 2011. She had been employed by General Motors Corporation since 1980. She has also been a member of the Adam Opel AG Supervisory Board since January 2012. She had been Vice President, Global Human Resources from July 2009 to December 2010. Prior to this appointment she had been Vice President, Global Manufacturing Engineering since February 2008. She had been Executive Director, Vehicle Manufacturing Engineering since January 2005.

[To all the apologists for Mary Barra, and those who say Bush did the GM bailout/bankruptcy, not Obama, see the Politico link above, Bush had no interest in taking the blame for the debacle the GM bailout and bankruptcy is. Bush's selflessness has followed by so far 6 years of the Obama administration blaming Bush for everything negative in the 6 years of the Obama administration, and Bush never once saying a thing negative about his predecessor]
 
2014-06-07 04:21:50 AM
That'll teach people to cooperate with an internal investigation.
 
2014-06-07 06:36:27 AM

jayphat: wildcardjack: DVOM: browser_snake: Let's see...
Government sells all GM stock makes huge profit

You really haven't been paying attention.

The only reason that didn't seem like a huge profit is just how large our government became.

Wow. Even I hated the GM bailout. But the government made ZERO profit off of it. We, the United States taxpayers, LOST money on that transaction. In Billions. WITH A B.


Less than we lost with Teabagger-forced government shutdowns. And of course, the jobs that were saved by the bailout means that tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) kept paying taxes instead of being on government handouts. Net profit, as a country.
 
2014-06-07 06:37:24 AM
Let this be a lesson to you in corporate politics.

get everything in writing

So when one of these witch hunts comes along and they are looking to throw someone under the bus they will have to do it to your manager as well as you if you have actual evidence to prove they knew of the problem.

/this only works if your manager is connected enough that people want to keep them
 
2014-06-07 07:52:42 AM
Yay, scapegoats!
How exciting!

Can we move on now?  Or are you mouth breathing knuckle draggers not finished with this non-story?
 
2014-06-07 07:59:44 AM

WayToBlue: AngryDragon: This is what happens when you put a woman in charge.

They go back in time and fark things up? Sneaky.


"This" does not mean "fark-ups that occurred in the past".

"This" = "Fark-ups are disclosed, outrage ensues".
 
2014-06-07 08:40:54 AM

browser_snake: Let's see...
Government owns GM
Government fires GM CEO, replaces with their own guy
GM makes cars with defects
GM covers up evidence, does not recall vehicles
Government-picked CEO resigns
Government sells all GM stock makes huge profit
GM admits defects, recalls everything
GM stock plunges
Government fines GM
GM pays fines...to Government

No, nothing smells here at all


Huge profit?
 
2014-06-07 10:26:50 AM

Ziabatsu: The engineer hid and covered up the problem.  This is one of the rare instances where it probably isn't the CEO's fault.

/Confession is good for the engineer's soul.
//Seriously, the worse they can do is fire you.  Courts will do much worse.
///This could have just been an onerous 8D and a note in your record.


Amen to that. I have worked with unethical engineers like this and it scares the piss out of me because you know they have done other things people just haven't found yet.
 
2014-06-07 10:34:56 AM
Some how this is Obama's fault
 
2014-06-07 10:44:33 AM
A lot of derping in this thread.
 
2014-06-07 11:38:26 AM

Aarontology: The buick stops at middle management


repaired
 
2014-06-07 11:40:45 AM

llort dam eht: Why aren't people going to jail behind this shiat. They knew there was a problem, they ignored it, people died - at the very least it is criminally negligent homicide isn't it?


That's the government's job, all gm can do is fire or sue people

Relocating them to Detroit is also probably against the Geneva conventions
 
2014-06-07 12:09:47 PM

AngryDragon: This is what happens when you put a woman in charge.


Now THIS is the Fark Dot Com we all know and love! :)
 
2014-06-07 02:54:31 PM

nhoj1962: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Current CEO's only been on the job for a few months, subby.

[I find it beyond credulity or intellectual honesty, that any FARK apologist can say Mary Barra, or anyone else in Executive Management at GM did not know about this as early as 2005.

As early as 2005,Mary Barra was the Executive Director, Vehicle Manufacturing Engineering. If she was named to that post and was unaware back then, then she and everyone else in Executive Management at GM, including the Board of Directors, who approved her promotion in 2005, should be criminally liable for negligence, and their salaries should be clawed back by the Bankruptcy court, on behalf of all the shareholders who lost everything, and creditors of GM who were given next to nothing-nhoj1962]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16740.html  Updated: 12/19/08 1:31 PM EDT
President George W. Bush stepped in Friday to keep America's auto industry afloat, announcing a $17.4 billion bailout for GM and Chrysler, with the terms of the loans requiring that the firms radically restructure and show they can become profitable soon.

The money will come from the Wall Street bailout passed by Congress, a reversal for the White House. President-elect Barack Obama and Democrats had long advocated that course, and Bush had resisted it.


[President Bush fell on his sword for this bailout and GM bankruptcy he did not support in the least, pretty magnanimous-nhoj1962]

[Furthermore, if anyone on the Obama transition team did not know this issue was present at the time Bush approved the bankruptcy as part of the bailout, they should never be allowed to take another dime of Govt. pay, and should be denied any accrued pension for such earnings since then. Bush invited the transition team into all negotiations. The bankruptcy judge in this case, if he had any knowledge whatsoever, or even a suspicion, should be removed from the bench and denied his pension since the bankruptcy was approved.-nhoj1962]

2007 Annual Rep ...


Is this a troll or is this satire?
 
2014-06-07 03:24:14 PM
The former CEO should be brought up on criminal charges. The current one was just recently brought in to the scapegoat.

Part of Obama's bankruptcy deal was his choosing of some of the GM execs. I wonder how many of them knew about these issues and did nothing?
 
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