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(BBC-US)   While the greener-than-thous were pearl-clutching over soccer moms and their 20mpg SUVs, China was getting busy flattening 700 mountains   (bbc.com) divider line 90
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2014-06-05 08:23:41 PM  
I don't give a shiat about the environment. I can't stand SUVs because they're farking obnoxious.
 
2014-06-05 08:44:45 PM  
Pfft. Amateurs.
i60.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-05 09:50:55 PM  
I'm sure all of this reasonable fixed asset investment is debt financed through the least opaque Wealth Management Products.

Seriously, what portion of their economy is just servicing the debt of the past 6 years?
 
2014-06-05 10:00:08 PM  
Doesn't China already have a bunch of empty 'ghost cities' where hardly anyone actually lives?  Granted, maybe they aren't in the areas undergoing rapid growth, but the Chinese government hasn't been shy about using heavy-handed approaches in the past.  It seems like loading a bunch of people onto buses and telling them 'You live here now' would be easier than leveling mountains.
 
2014-06-05 10:19:18 PM  
This is what happens when government creates jobs
 
2014-06-05 10:20:24 PM  
In America, the mountains are hollowed out for secret military bases, which is much less scary.
 
2014-06-05 10:24:57 PM  
Yeah we tortured people a few years ago but we're nowhere near as bad as the Japanese in world war 2.

/not going to godwin thread this early
 
2014-06-05 10:39:01 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Yeah we tortured people a few years ago but we're nowhere near as bad as the Japanese in world war 2.

/not going to godwin thread this early


Heh... axis of Godwin
 
2014-06-05 11:18:33 PM  
I know! Let's continue to blame China for the environmental woes of the world whilst buying all their goods and not acknowledging that global trade means we are responsible for the environmental damage that happens in other countries.
 
2014-06-05 11:44:25 PM  

bdub77: I know! Let's continue to blame China for the environmental woes of the world whilst buying all their goods and not acknowledging that global trade means we are responsible for the environmental damage that happens in other countries.


Don't forget we ship a lot of our toxic waste to other countries for "disposal". After all, The Roads Must Roll.
 
2014-06-05 11:48:16 PM  
We need to get moving on leveling more mountains. We can't afford to lose our strategic lead in this area. Where is on our leadership on this issue?

And Benghazi!
 
2014-06-06 12:31:09 AM  
I am by no means an expert in Chinese history or culture.

BUT

As a casual student of Chinese history and culture - its only in the last 100 years that the Chinese have abused their natural habitat - similar to the Japanese and American West in the 1800s.
 
2014-06-06 01:35:26 AM  
20 mpg?  Luxury!

/12mpg in town
 
2014-06-06 01:43:17 AM  

bdub77: I know! Let's continue to blame China for the environmental woes of the world whilst buying all their goods and not acknowledging that global trade means we are responsible for the environmental damage that happens in other countries.


China is the #1 polluter in the world and their toxic output is increasing on a daily basis.  While we're converting our coal power plants to much cleaner natural gas as quickly as possible, China is bringing a new and very dirty coal power plant online every damn day.

But you are right, it's the morons buying cheap Chinese made junk from Walmart that drives that constantly increasing rate of pollution, and destroying domestic jobs at the same time.  Bargain shopping into oblivion.

Taking away their most-favored-nation trade status would be a farking good start.
 
2014-06-06 01:44:05 AM  

vernonFL: I am by no means an expert in Chinese history or culture.

BUT

As a casual student of Chinese history and culture - its only in the last 100 years that the Chinese have abused their natural habitat - similar to the Japanese and American West in the 1800s.


Do you seriously think building that big farking wall was an exercise in environmental concern?
 
2014-06-06 02:10:27 AM  

vernonFL: I am by no means an expert in Chinese history or culture.

BUT

As a casual student of Chinese history and culture - its only in the last 100 years that the Chinese have abused their natural habitat - similar to the Japanese and American West in the 1800s.


Might want to take a look at the history of Chinese cuisine.  The wok only became a central implement due to extensive deforestation in China driving up the price of firewood starting in the Ming dynasty and ramping up in the 19th century.  Prior to that, a large part of Chinese cuisine was stew based and cooked for several hours over an open flame.  The wok and stir fry became more widely used due to much greater fuel efficiency allowing smaller cuts of food to be quickly cooked.
 
2014-06-06 02:35:08 AM  
 
2014-06-06 02:36:24 AM  
It is almost like subby is advocating for job killing environmental regulations.
 
2014-06-06 02:45:45 AM  
I'll bet since they have Section 106 laws in China there aren't any archaeological sites being destroyed.

But hell, maybe they will find some of the paleontological sites. If it works politically for the Chinese government.

/kudos subby, my offroad 5.8 liter V8 1996 Bronco less then 13mpg and my 5.7 liter 2012 Challenger 20mpg are not the problem.

//The pearl clutching environmental pussies should look into the the Carboniferous Period with much higher CO2 levels. The bio-diversity should explode in high CO2 levels. The plants should start rocking and the bugs should get bigger.
 
2014-06-06 02:55:34 AM  
FTFA: While mountaintop removal is sometimes used by the mining industry, particularly in the US, researchers say the scale of this in China is unparalleled.

Yeah, it's much less harmful when we do it.

/America, F*ck Yeah!
 
2014-06-06 03:08:16 AM  

OgreMagi: vernonFL: I am by no means an expert in Chinese history or culture.

BUT

As a casual student of Chinese history and culture - its only in the last 100 years that the Chinese have abused their natural habitat - similar to the Japanese and American West in the 1800s.

Do you seriously think building that big farking wall was an exercise in environmental concern?


Well it was intended to keep out a bunch of dirty barbarians who wanted to trash the place.
 
2014-06-06 03:22:26 AM  
Are they building a high altitude low-g rail gun to boost people into orbit? Thats the sort of sci-fi engineering you could get up to with a post-soviet communist state.

Or is it a jobs program, demolishing mountains with human labor to keep peasants busy? If the economy gets worse they'll have to switch to spoons instead of spades.
 
2014-06-06 03:24:28 AM  
I think they have a while to catch up with the environmental apocalypse that is the Canadian Tar Sands. In total, the size of the area is roughly the size of the *state* of New York. While of course only a fraction of that is currently being open pit mined (and much of the rest is being pumped), the size and scope of the man made tar "bad lands" is nearly unfathomable.

The size of the trucks:
images.nationalgeographic.com

Which are working by the hundreds, 24/7, 365:
static.guim.co.uk

Digging:
www.mining-technology.com

And digging:
static.planetminecraft.com

Until the region looks like this:
priceofoil.org

And this:
theenergycollective.com

Only to be refined with ungodly amounts of energy and water - to be shipped thousands of miles in the US.
www.greenpeace.org

China ain't got shiat on the Canadians, who are digging up miles upon miles of tar, so US soccer moms can keep driving around their 20 mpg SUVs.
 
2014-06-06 04:43:27 AM  

Mugato: I don't give a shiat about the environment. I can't stand SUVs because they're farking obnoxious.


I must agree.   Idiots wasting money on monster vehicles with horrible gas mileage designed (at least in theory) for off-road terrain they will never drive on, with less passenger capacity and cargo space than a non SUV of the same size (read: minivan).  But nooooooo, SUVs are so stylish and cool.

The only thing that annoys me more are the same type of people buying the ridiculously long pickup trucks, which then stick 8 feet out into the lanes in parking lots if they don't do some sort of construction or other outdoor work.
 
2014-06-06 04:48:01 AM  
A couple thousand years after we're extinct, nobody will know.
 
2014-06-06 04:52:08 AM  

Emposter: Mugato: I don't give a shiat about the environment. I can't stand SUVs because they're farking obnoxious.

I must agree.   Idiots wasting money on monster vehicles with horrible gas mileage designed (at least in theory) for off-road terrain they will never drive on, with less passenger capacity and cargo space than a non SUV of the same size (read: minivan).  But nooooooo, SUVs are so stylish and cool.

The only thing that annoys me more are the same type of people buying the ridiculously long pickup trucks, which then stick 8 feet out into the lanes in parking lots if they don't do some sort of construction or other outdoor work.


Why the fark should you care what other people do?

I'll bet you drive a Prius and smell your own farts and never worked a real job.

Smuggies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U&feature=kp
 
2014-06-06 05:04:53 AM  

spaten: Emposter: Mugato: I don't give a shiat about the environment. I can't stand SUVs because they're farking obnoxious.

I must agree.   Idiots wasting money on monster vehicles with horrible gas mileage designed (at least in theory) for off-road terrain they will never drive on, with less passenger capacity and cargo space than a non SUV of the same size (read: minivan).  But nooooooo, SUVs are so stylish and cool.

The only thing that annoys me more are the same type of people buying the ridiculously long pickup trucks, which then stick 8 feet out into the lanes in parking lots if they don't do some sort of construction or other outdoor work.

Why the fark should you care what other people do?

I'll bet you drive a Prius and smell your own farts and never worked a real job.

Smuggies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U&feature=kp


Let's see.  I already mentioned that they make parking a pain.  Obviously there is the pollution aspect.  Then there is the headlights shining in your face like high-beams at night and the inability to see around them on the road during the day.  Then there is the fact that they make any potential crashes more dangerous for those of us not driving miniature tanks.  I'm sure I could think of more, but I find that I care very little about the fact that you don't care.

I drive a Scion.  It's not a Prius, but don't let that stop you from using Southpark as a reference.
 
2014-06-06 05:05:58 AM  
mojoimage.com
 
2014-06-06 05:21:50 AM  

studebaker hoch: A couple thousand years after we're extinct, nobody will know.


Love you studebaker hoch, but

Emposter: spaten: Emposter: Mugato: I don't give a shiat about the environment. I can't stand SUVs because they're farking obnoxious.

I must agree.   Idiots wasting money on monster vehicles with horrible gas mileage designed (at least in theory) for off-road terrain they will never drive on, with less passenger capacity and cargo space than a non SUV of the same size (read: minivan).  But nooooooo, SUVs are so stylish and cool.

The only thing that annoys me more are the same type of people buying the ridiculously long pickup trucks, which then stick 8 feet out into the lanes in parking lots if they don't do some sort of construction or other outdoor work.

Why the fark should you care what other people do?

I'll bet you drive a Prius and smell your own farts and never worked a real job.

Smuggies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U&feature=kp

Let's see.  I already mentioned that they make parking a pain.  Obviously there is the pollution aspect.  Then there is the headlights shining in your face like high-beams at night and the inability to see around them on the road during the day.  Then there is the fact that they make any potential crashes more dangerous for those of us not driving miniature tanks.  I'm sure I could think of more, but I find that I care very little about the fact that you don't care.

I drive a Scion.  It's not a Prius, but don't let that stop you from using Southpark as a reference.


This is why I park in four spaces away from you assholes and walk from the back of the parking lot. You shiat heads already scratched my car. You don't know how to drive standard transmission or drive off road or farking park.

And biatch at me for having a muscle car and an off road vehicle. You can suck my taint.
 
2014-06-06 05:34:10 AM  
So they are turning their mountains into Canyoneros? :)
 
2014-06-06 05:36:38 AM  

spaten: studebaker hoch: A couple thousand years after we're extinct, nobody will know.

Love you studebaker hoch, but Emposter: spaten: Emposter: Mugato: I don't give a shiat about the environment. I can't stand SUVs because they're farking obnoxious.

I must agree.   Idiots wasting money on monster vehicles with horrible gas mileage designed (at least in theory) for off-road terrain they will never drive on, with less passenger capacity and cargo space than a non SUV of the same size (read: minivan).  But nooooooo, SUVs are so stylish and cool.

The only thing that annoys me more are the same type of people buying the ridiculously long pickup trucks, which then stick 8 feet out into the lanes in parking lots if they don't do some sort of construction or other outdoor work.

Why the fark should you care what other people do?

I'll bet you drive a Prius and smell your own farts and never worked a real job.

Smuggies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U&feature=kp

Let's see.  I already mentioned that they make parking a pain.  Obviously there is the pollution aspect.  Then there is the headlights shining in your face like high-beams at night and the inability to see around them on the road during the day.  Then there is the fact that they make any potential crashes more dangerous for those of us not driving miniature tanks.  I'm sure I could think of more, but I find that I care very little about the fact that you don't care.

I drive a Scion.  It's not a Prius, but don't let that stop you from using Southpark as a reference.

This is why I park in four spaces away from you assholes and walk from the back of the parking lot. You shiat heads already scratched my car. You don't know how to drive standard transmission or drive off road or farking park.

And biatch at me for having a muscle car and an off road vehicle. You can suck my taint.


Wonderful.  You voluntarily remove your SUV to an area where it doesn't inconvenience everyone else.  1 down, a gajillion to go.  Giant trucks and SUVs are to parking lots what obese people are to airplane seating.

We can work on your odd penchant for leaping to conclusions and not-so-latent anger issues when I wake up.
 
2014-06-06 05:51:43 AM  
China was getting busy flattening 700 mountains

So, following West Virginia's lead then?
 
2014-06-06 06:03:44 AM  

MrSteve007: I think they have a whGODDAMN LOOK AT THOSE HARDCORE SWEET-ASS TRUCKS AND DIGGING MACHINES AND CHECK OUT WHAT YOU JUST KNOW WOULD BE THE SICKEST RALLY TRACKS EVER AND OH shiat LOOK AT THAT BADASS METAL AS fark REFINERY IT'S LIKE I'M LIVING SONIC 2'S OIL OCEAN ZONE ERRY DAY MAN AWWW YIS


...I'm sorry, I appear to have been distracted for a minute there.
 
hej
2014-06-06 06:22:25 AM  

studebaker hoch: A couple thousand years after we're extinct, nobody will know.


The exact moment we're extinct, nobody will know.
 
2014-06-06 06:30:29 AM  
America: Fark Yeah, we might only be the second or third worst country at ______ in the world.
 
2014-06-06 06:39:41 AM  

spaten: I'll bet you drive a Prius and smell your own farts and never worked a real job


LOL, where'd you get that? Wow, someone who acts exactly as one would expect someone who drives an enormous bullshiat truck would act.
 
2014-06-06 06:50:41 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Doesn't China already have a bunch of empty 'ghost cities' where hardly anyone actually lives?  Granted, maybe they aren't in the areas undergoing rapid growth, but the Chinese government hasn't been shy about using heavy-handed approaches in the past.  It seems like loading a bunch of people onto buses and telling them 'You live here now' would be easier than leveling mountains.


I believe these cities were build with private capital, so there's the issue of people being expected to pay quite a high rent.
 
2014-06-06 07:09:38 AM  

Mugato: spaten: I'll bet you drive a Prius and smell your own farts and never worked a real job

LOL, where'd you get that? Wow, someone who acts exactly as one would expect someone who drives an enormous bullshiat truck would act.


I bet he's one of those ruggedly individual, free- thinking South Park Conservatives.
 
2014-06-06 07:09:55 AM  

Emposter: spaten:
The only thing that annoys me more are the same type of people buying the ridiculously long pickup trucks, which then stick 8 feet out into the lanes in parking lots if they don't do some sort of construction or other outdoor work.

Why the fark should you care what other people do?

I'll bet you drive a Prius and smell your own farts and never worked a real job.

Let's see.  I already mentioned that they make parking a pain.  Obviously there is the pollution aspect.  Then there is the headlights shining in your face like high-beams at night and the inability to see around them on the road during the day.  Then there is the fact that they make any potential crashes more dangerous for those of us not driving miniature tanks.  I'm sure I could think of more, but I find that I care very little about the fact that you don't care.

I drive a Scion.  It's not a Prius, but don't let that stop you from using Southpark as a reference.


Good list of how stupid people in SUV selfishly destroy the quality of life for all those around them.  You should have mentioned waiting for them as they try to back their fat assed SUV into the parking spot and since they can't judge how far back they are, they take up half of the parking space behind them.  Oh, and if an SUV parks next to you, good luck seeing if any traffic is coming down the row when you want to pull out.  SUV owners suck.
 
2014-06-06 07:18:47 AM  
This is kind of like the reason PETA doesn't harass Hell's Angels for wearing leather.
 
2014-06-06 07:34:01 AM  

spawn73: TuteTibiImperes: Doesn't China already have a bunch of empty 'ghost cities' where hardly anyone actually lives?  Granted, maybe they aren't in the areas undergoing rapid growth, but the Chinese government hasn't been shy about using heavy-handed approaches in the past.  It seems like loading a bunch of people onto buses and telling them 'You live here now' would be easier than leveling mountains.

I believe these cities were build with private capital, so there's the issue of people being expected to pay quite a high rent.


I heard a report on NPR that developers are in full fire sale mode in some cities. Even ignoring laws about down payments and such, they're just desperate to get any type of buyer or renter on board.
 
2014-06-06 07:58:21 AM  
I want one of those!

Mine only gets 16....
 
2014-06-06 08:01:10 AM  
www.simplyhe.co.uk
 
2014-06-06 08:06:09 AM  

spawn73: TuteTibiImperes: Doesn't China already have a bunch of empty 'ghost cities' where hardly anyone actually lives?  Granted, maybe they aren't in the areas undergoing rapid growth, but the Chinese government hasn't been shy about using heavy-handed approaches in the past.  It seems like loading a bunch of people onto buses and telling them 'You live here now' would be easier than leveling mountains.

I believe these cities were build with private capital, so there's the issue of people being expected to pay quite a high rent.


There really isn't any "private capital" in the PRC, at least not as we think of it in the West.   The major Chinese banks, while they theoretically have some independence, are all owned by the government.

There are smaller independent banks, but they aren't anywhere near as influential, and they are easily influenced.
 
2014-06-06 08:19:48 AM  
Good thing we'd never do that in the US of A.


media.treehugger.com
 
2014-06-06 08:21:07 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: spawn73: TuteTibiImperes: Doesn't China already have a bunch of empty 'ghost cities' where hardly anyone actually lives?  Granted, maybe they aren't in the areas undergoing rapid growth, but the Chinese government hasn't been shy about using heavy-handed approaches in the past.  It seems like loading a bunch of people onto buses and telling them 'You live here now' would be easier than leveling mountains.

I believe these cities were build with private capital, so there's the issue of people being expected to pay quite a high rent.

I heard a report on NPR that developers are in full fire sale mode in some cities. Even ignoring laws about down payments and such, they're just desperate to get any type of buyer or renter on board.


I looked it up myself when I made my reply, to double check who paid for these ghost cities.

The article claimed that they were actually not financed through bankloans. So they're not looking at a housing bubble.


Just some weird people who wasted a lot of money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_South_China_Mall

The worlds largest shopping mall is fun to look at.

---

But I guess, if someone where to look at these places as a 40-50 year investments, maybe it'll work out for them.
 
2014-06-06 08:23:42 AM  
Subby is the kind of guy who runs a red light, and when he gets pulled over for it, tells the cops, "You know there are murders going on right now?  Why aren't you out solving them?"
 
2014-06-06 08:24:48 AM  
Though the mountains shall fall and the hills turn to dust, the mountains shall rise again!
 
2014-06-06 08:25:24 AM  

spawn73: But I guess, if someone where to look at these places as a 40-50 year investments, maybe it'll work out for them.


If nothing else it will be a boon to the creepy ghost city urban exploring community.
 
2014-06-06 08:52:09 AM  

OgreMagi: bdub77: I know! Let's continue to blame China for the environmental woes of the world whilst buying all their goods and not acknowledging that global trade means we are responsible for the environmental damage that happens in other countries.

China is the #1 polluter in the world and their toxic output is increasing on a daily basis.  While we're converting our coal power plants to much cleaner natural gas as quickly as possible, China is bringing a new and very dirty coal power plant online every damn day.

But you are right, it's the morons buying cheap Chinese made junk from Walmart that drives that constantly increasing rate of pollution, and destroying domestic jobs at the same time.  Bargain shopping into oblivion.

Taking away their most-favored-nation trade status would be a farking good start.


^^ this!!!
 
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