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(The Atlantic)   Eating sugar is perfectly healthy. This week   (theatlantic.com) divider line 55
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2014-06-05 08:10:34 PM
Excellent. I'll consume a five pound bag for dinner.
 
2014-06-05 09:10:32 PM
In very moderate amounts.

/ a couple of 2 Liter bottles of coke a day isn't a moderate amount.
//you're a human, not a hummingbird.
 
2014-06-05 11:47:03 PM

basemetal: In very moderate amounts.

/ a couple of 2 Liter bottles of coke a day isn't a moderate amount.
//you're a human, not a hummingbird.


I restrict myself to only a single 4 liter bottle per day.
 
2014-06-05 11:48:49 PM

LograyX: Excellent. I'll consume a five pound bag for dinner.


Hook yourself up to a HFCS IV first, then snort the 5 pounds! Even better!


//warning: snorting pure cain sugar may lead to snorting pure brown sugar, an even deadlier form!
 
2014-06-05 11:49:49 PM
Good to know. Wonder what batch of crack these researchers smoked that day they decided this?
In moderation nothing is bad... except the druuugs...all drugs is bad for ya
 
2014-06-05 11:50:02 PM
Sweet sugar, giver of life.
 
2014-06-05 11:53:39 PM
Easy. Just remember only to eat sugar every other week, on the weeks that it's good for you.
 
2014-06-05 11:59:01 PM
So sugar is terrible for me. And complex carbs will make me fat. And fats will clog my arteries. Proteins are fine but meat is cruel. So we are supposed to eat what? Beans? 

How much cortisol is constantly pumping trough your veins when your anxieties about your diet are so rampant?
 
2014-06-06 12:00:50 AM
This article underwritten by Louis Dreyfus.
 
2014-06-06 12:01:26 AM
So the take-away from this article is that Dr. Oz is a compeat idiot and we should ignore anything he says.

"Sugar" isn't one thing.  Sucrose, dextrose, fructose, maltodextrose - all sugars.  Natural sugar from fruits occurs in about a 50/50 ratio of sucrose to fructose. Man-supported industries like corn subsidies have in turn supported HFCS - High-fructose corn syrup - as the predominant 'sugar'.  A Fark article earlier this week identified that most products who claim compliance with 50/50 fructose/sucrose are compleat liars - even Mexican Coca-Cola was more fructose than sucrose.

I don't have a fancy diet to sell.  Stop drinking sugared drinks completely, even if they're electrolyte-enhanced and they're what plants crave.  Walk at least a mile, three times a week.  If you can handle it, walk two miles, three times a week. If you can handle that, start doing light squats and upper body stuff - once a week per body part.  You'll get better.

Adults only : super-slow.  Don't do reps of max weight for 8-10 reps.  Do every rep slowly to take 7 seconds up, 7 seconds down. This is fine about 3 reps, discomforting about 4, but 5-6 you need a 'Zen tolerance for pain' to do them.  Really - this is excruciating and it's the best part.  Force yourself to do 5-6 super-slow.  The muscle gain I got from super-slow was unprecedented.  But it hurts worse than anything you've ever done.
 
2014-06-06 12:12:12 AM

syrynxx: compleat liars

definately

 
2014-06-06 12:19:28 AM

mikefinch: So sugar is terrible for me. And complex carbs will make me fat. And fats will clog my arteries. Proteins are fine but meat is cruel. So we are supposed to eat what? Beans? 

How much cortisol is constantly pumping trough your veins when your anxieties about your diet are so rampant?


Sugar is generally bad in most processed foods, it's fine in fruit. Just be aware that empty calories are everywhere around you, at parties, at the grocery store, and especially just about every restaurant. It's not just sugar, it's white flour and white rice and grocery store mayo and all the stuff containing sugars that you eat, like ketchup.

Complex carbs will rarely make you fat.

There are fats, and there are fats. Olive oil and fish oil are two very good fats - olive oil has a high omega 6:3 ratio but it's mostly unsaturated fats. Soybean oil, corn oil, and sunflower oil are not good for you.

There are plenty of protein options, from whey to dairy to beans and nuts. Meat is overrated.


Here's my personal advice:

- eat greens every day at almost every meal. A salad a day at lunch or dinner rarely hurts, but don't smother it in ranch, at most make your own salad dressing with some balsamic and olive oil and some herbs and maybe garlic.

- in general, avoid processed foods

- replace sugary processed foods with berries, apples, oranges and bananas.

- eat nuts or failing that, nut butter (almond butter is the bomb).

- eat whatever fish you like at least 1-2 times a week - I like salmon.

- eat red meat but do it 1-2 times a week tops, and stick with grass fed when at all possible. I like to have something on the weekend.

- have 1-2 drinks a day, beer or alcohol whatever floats your boat, don't go overboard

- stop worrying about this sh*t
 
2014-06-06 12:21:25 AM
Advocating cannibalism now, Sweetie?
 
2014-06-06 12:24:49 AM
In other news, once again, EAT YOUR GODDAMN FOOD IN MODERATION, PEOPLE.

Jesus.

Fresh fruits, veggies, lean proteins, nuts, seeds, whole grains, and it definitely helps if you cook your own food.

Every now and then it's fine to have a donut, or a coke, or a piece of cake, and it's honestly also fine if you have a really farking horrible day and eat an entire pizza.  If you eat an entire pizza every day of your life, yeah. you'll be farking yourself up.

Oh yeah, and move your ass on a regular basis.
 
2014-06-06 12:26:16 AM
My dysfunctional pancreas disagrees.

Sincerly, Diabetes
 
2014-06-06 12:26:57 AM

syrynxx: Really - this is excruciating and it's the best part. Force yourself to do 5-6 super-slow. The muscle gain I got from super-slow was unprecedented. But it hurts worse than anything you've ever done.


Heh. I have to have a partner make me do it. Tim Ferriss didn't exaggerate when he said the entire rest of the reps are warmup and that last 15 seconds is the whole workout.
 
2014-06-06 12:28:30 AM
Een America, first you get da suger. Den you get de money. Den you get de power. Den you get de weemen.
 
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2014-06-06 12:28:34 AM
I think I might have to steal that article image for my facebook wallpaper
 
2014-06-06 12:31:06 AM
cdn.themetapicture.com
 
2014-06-06 12:54:47 AM
Moderation in all things.
 
2014-06-06 12:58:17 AM
That's weak
 
2014-06-06 01:03:43 AM

WhoopAssWayne: LograyX: Excellent. I'll consume a five pound bag for dinner.

Hook yourself up to a HFCS IV first, then snort the 5 pounds! Even better!


//warning: snorting pure cain sugar may lead to snorting pure brown sugar, an even deadlier form!


I'm all for Darwinism and Malthusianism. Go on now, go, get that farking 30 oz. HFCS loaded drink. Oh! lookie, it's unlimited drinks while you sit your fat ass down. Please, please, after you - get more. Fill it up! gotta profit*.

Works for me. We have limited resources. Some even inhale more air than they deserve.

*PSA - You'd need to fill your 30 oz. drink up at a fast food Soda/pop dispenser in the US over 50 times before you think you can make a dent in their budget.
 
2014-06-06 01:04:43 AM

bdub77: Here's my personal advice:

- eat greens every day at almost every meal. A salad a day at lunch or dinner rarely hurts, but don't smother it in ranch, at most make your own salad dressing with some balsamic and olive oil and some herbs and maybe garlic.

- in general, avoid processed foods

- replace sugary processed foods with berries, apples, oranges and bananas.

- eat nuts or failing that, nut butter (almond butter is the bomb).

- eat whatever fish you like at least 1-2 times a week - I like salmon.

- eat red meat but do it 1-2 times a week tops, and stick with grass fed when at all possible. I like to have something on the weekend.

- have 1-2 drinks a day, beer or alcohol whatever floats your boat, don't go overboard

- stop worrying about this sh*t


I love how you list 7 points and then your 8th amounts to DISREGARD ABOVE STATEMENT.

I dont like this idea that you should eat this and not eat that. Eat whatever the fark you want. Try not to pig out and try to move more often. Sorry, its just i have this coworker who constantly goes on about "oh, thats full of refined sugar and heres all the terrible things it does. You should eat seeds and dried fruits and blah  blah blah" You can eat nuts but not peanuts because those are bad. You can eat bread but white flour is satans love child. Well i know damn well  (because i had to do his grocery shopping for 4 months) That he orders giant bags of cheetos and 144 bakery made cookies. We eat because eating is delightful -- its not just power for your body. Its joy and a whole multitude of other awesome things.

I read an article the other day where a researcher had found that we have a set amount of will power every day. Our ability to cope with self restraint is finite. Restraining yourself from this or that all day wears you out and by the end of the day it makes you that much more likely to open a box of frozen cake and go to town. 

Eat. Enjoy, and dont be a glutton. And relax. Of all the things that will kill you in life food has a place. But its pretty far down on the list.


\Honestly i do those things anyways... But not because i think its good for me. Its because i love to cook and a balanced diet is freaking tasty.
\\My groceries are delivered by helicopter once a month. Back off my shelf stable processed foods.
 
2014-06-06 01:16:59 AM
Sugar in what are now termed as normal portions is a poison.
 
2014-06-06 01:21:02 AM
eat more fibre

www.snoezeleninfo.com
 
2014-06-06 01:22:55 AM
I really don't give a fark what the homeopath Dr Oz has to say about anything
 
2014-06-06 01:23:08 AM
cdn.theatlantic.com

Man if my biochem class used these diagrams I might have gotten a better grade.
 
2014-06-06 02:05:50 AM
Everything in moderation, especially moderation.
 
2014-06-06 02:24:32 AM

mikefinch: I dont like this idea that you should eat this and not eat that. Eat whatever the fark you want. Try not to pig out and try to move more often. Sorry, its just i have this coworker who constantly goes on about "oh, thats full of refined sugar and heres all the terrible things it does. You should eat seeds and dried fruits and blah  blah blah" You can eat nuts but not peanuts because those are bad. You can eat bread but white flour is satans love child. Well i know damn well  (because i had to do his grocery shopping for 4 months) That he orders giant bags of cheetos and 144 bakery made cookies. We eat because eating is delightful -- its not just power for your body. Its joy and a whole multitude of other awesome things.

I read an article the other day where a researcher had found that we have a set amount of will power every day. Our ability to cope with self restraint is finite. Restraining yourself from this or that all day wears you out and by the end of the day it makes you that much more likely to open a box of frozen cake and go to town.

Eat. Enjoy, and dont be a glutton. And relax. Of all the things that will kill you in life food has a place. But its pretty far down on the list.



Oh thank you for that post.

My mother is one of those serious food nazis, I grew up with it, as a result now my tolerance of the eat this/don't eat that advice crowd is at zero. To have to measure, weigh, assess and evaluate every single morsel to see if it passes the "restrictions" before it may be eaten, is not living, it's a nightmare. Personally I think this food paranoia situation appeals to people who are naturally control freaks or have obsessive tendencies. Food should not be another chore, I certainly have enough of those already.

Agreed that food is more than just fuel for the body. It can be pleasurable too, and pleasure is like fuel for the soul. No point in having a body that's just fine if the soul wishes it were dead. If I have to forever deny myself all the food that might possibly be bad for me, (which usually means pretty much anything that tastes good) that would leave me with a pretty miserable existence. It makes no sense to keep living if it has to be a life without pleasure or joy.

We are all going to die eventually. If I wanted to cut out all risks in life I might as well lock myself in a padded box so that I might not die as soon, but then I'd never have really lived in the first place, and what would be the point of that? I'll just stick to using plain old moderation in everything, even moderation, as they say.
 
2014-06-06 02:39:08 AM
just in time for national donut day... a little suspicious if you ask me
 
2014-06-06 03:10:15 AM

syrynxx: So the take-away from this article is that Dr. Oz is a compeat idiot and we should ignore anything he says.

"Sugar" isn't one thing.  Sucrose, dextrose, fructose, maltodextrose - all sugars.  Natural sugar from fruits occurs in about a 50/50 ratio of sucrose to fructose. Man-supported industries like corn subsidies have in turn supported HFCS - High-fructose corn syrup - as the predominant 'sugar'.  A Fark article earlier this week identified that most products who claim compliance with 50/50 fructose/sucrose are compleat liars - even Mexican Coca-Cola was more fructose than sucrose.

I don't have a fancy diet to sell.  Stop drinking sugared drinks completely, even if they're electrolyte-enhanced and they're what plants crave.  Walk at least a mile, three times a week.  If you can handle it, walk two miles, three times a week. If you can handle that, start doing light squats and upper body stuff - once a week per body part.  You'll get better.

Adults only : super-slow.  Don't do reps of max weight for 8-10 reps.  Do every rep slowly to take 7 seconds up, 7 seconds down. This is fine about 3 reps, discomforting about 4, but 5-6 you need a 'Zen tolerance for pain' to do them.  Really - this is excruciating and it's the best part.  Force yourself to do 5-6 super-slow.  The muscle gain I got from super-slow was unprecedented.  But it hurts worse than anything you've ever done.


How completely reasonable of you. Who knew that watching what you eat and exercising could actually help a person lose weight?
 
2014-06-06 03:28:03 AM

mikefinch: So sugar is terrible for me. And complex carbs will make me fat. And fats will clog my arteries. Proteins are fine but meat is cruel. So we are supposed to eat what? Beans? 

How much cortisol is constantly pumping trough your veins when your anxieties about your diet are so rampant?


And don't even think about eating baby carrots.

/Cut down in the prime of their lives.
 
2014-06-06 04:07:04 AM
i.captainmishap.com
 
2014-06-06 05:12:07 AM
Yeah, nothing new here. Just attention-whores with an MD intentionally misinterpreting research so they can get another sound-byte. Again.

Sometimes, physicians prescribe a medication then change the prescription after enough new information is published to reach a consensus (or at least a warning) and that's ok. This is a case of celebrities ignoring research completely to suit their own needs.
 
2014-06-06 05:17:20 AM

wingedkat: Yeah, nothing new here. Just attention-whores with an MD intentionally misinterpreting research so they can get another sound-byte. Again.

Sometimes, physicians prescribe a medication then change the prescription after enough new information is published to reach a consensus (or at least a warning) and that's ok. This is a case of celebrities ignoring research completely to suit their own needs.


There should be a vaccine for that type of stupidity.
 
2014-06-06 05:49:52 AM
Een America, first you get da suger. Den you get de money. Den you get de power. Den you get de weemen.
 
2014-06-06 06:22:54 AM

mikefinch: So sugar is terrible for me. And complex carbs will make me fat. And fats will clog my arteries. Proteins are fine but meat is cruel. So we are supposed to eat what? Beans?


Beans are full of anti-nutrient phytates.
 
2014-06-06 06:34:48 AM
We need to give up food altogether. Very nearly everyone who has ever eaten any has died.
 
2014-06-06 06:39:38 AM

Nidiot: We need to give up food altogether. Very nearly everyone who has ever eaten any has died.


hydrogen dioxide is the real killer. it's everywhere man...
 
2014-06-06 07:09:24 AM
I just stopped by to drop off THIS

Kind of long but very informative.

/formaldehyde for everyone
//HFCS is going to kill us.
///"Threes, these come in..." ~Yoda
 
2014-06-06 07:11:25 AM

some_beer_drinker: hydrogen dioxide is the real killer. it's everywhere man...


No it isn't. In fact, if I recall my freshman chemistry from 40 years ago correctly, it doesn't even exist.
 
2014-06-06 07:11:29 AM

Danger Avoid Death: [cdn.themetapicture.com image 540x607]


There ain't no candy like the nose candy 'cause nose candy keeps the party going all night long!
 
2014-06-06 07:22:45 AM

some_beer_drinker: hydrogen dioxide


"dihydrogen monoxide"
 
2014-06-06 07:38:27 AM
It's really not rocket surgery, people.

Everything in moderation
Smaller portions
Get of your ass
Stay hydrated

There you go. My new fad diet.

/5 cents please
 
2014-06-06 10:20:16 AM

mikefinch: I love how you list 7 points and then your 8th amounts to DISREGARD ABOVE STATEMENT.


They should have been step by step instructions. Do the first 7 and you won't have to worry as much. But I ain't got time to edit.

Look it's cool, eat what you want I guess. But if you want to know what works and keeps you generally alive longer, this is probably the ticket to the best of our knowledge. Even if your diet is close to perfect there will be increased risks in certain areas (for example, some linkages of fish oil to increased prostate cancer). Your genetics will often determine how long you live anyway. I'm hoping to hit my 80s personally.

No one is perfect.

However a number of large studies have looked at diet and the mediterranean diet (mostly fish and veggies basically) is one of the better diets out there.

Possibly more important than anything you eat is having a low stress lifestyle, which is not always easy to achieve - one of the reasons I think alcohol works is because it tends to temporarily reduce stress.

Still, as far as sugar goes, advanced glycation end products do exist, and they increase your chances of a future of diabetes and vascular issues such as heart attack or stroke.
 
2014-06-06 10:29:58 AM

bdub77: Sugar is generally bad in most processed foods, it's fine in fruit. Just be aware that empty calories are everywhere around you, at parties, at the grocery store, and especially just about every restaurant. It's not just sugar, it's white flour and white rice and grocery store mayo and all the stuff containing sugars that you eat, like ketchup.


There's no sugar in the mayo I buy. Maybe you're buying that Miracle Whip shiat.
 
2014-06-06 10:38:13 AM

namegoeshere: It's really not rocket surgery, people.


Everything in moderation
Smaller portions
Get of your ass
Stay hydrated


There you go. My new fad diet.


/5 cents please


This is all most people have to do. When I started going to smaller portions, I felt fine. I thought I would be starving or feeling weak, but I was ok and realized just how much I was overeating without realizing it. The problem is ordering most takeout. Most people don't realize how much food they're eating until they scale back for a while. Then when they go some place to eat and see the massive portions they serve, they totally get it.
 
2014-06-06 10:53:52 AM
I was going to switch to a sugar substitute until I discovered that it is a powerful insecticide.

\I know, it is safe for humans
\\I just think it sounds crazy, like sprinkling DDT on your cornflakes
\\\Hmm, could they spray it on the fruit at the supermarket to kill off the fruit flies there and prevent contamination?
 
2014-06-06 11:03:24 AM

Nidiot: Personally I think this food paranoia situation appeals to people who are naturally control freaks or have obsessive tendencies. Food should not be another chore, I certainly have enough of those already.


Absolutely. Some of the diet threads I've seen around here, those people need therapy, not more information about how to eat. And I had eating disorders for years.

And the foodie threads are just as bad, with the extra added flavor of narcissism.
 
2014-06-06 11:04:40 AM
I'm really glad this came out on National Donut Day.
 
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