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(Forbes)   Apple could eliminate the iPhone's inexpensive, ubiquitous headphone jack in favor of its own proprietary connector. How, you ask? Beats me   (forbes.com ) divider line
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2014-06-05 07:11:38 PM  
Please, no,

I always have a pair of cheap headphones that I use for the gym. They get pretty ugly after a month or two, and I have no problem tossing a $12 pair of headphones in the trash. The last thing I want is a pair of $50 "digital" headphones getting all sweaty and smelly.
 
2014-06-05 07:13:03 PM  
I can see them pumping audio through the thunder port connector to headphones easily but let's be honest, the minijack is standardized throughout the world and it's not like there are any royalties on it. Eliminating the mini output -- which is a flawlessly functioning solution that has the benefit of being idiot proof -- with a digital connector that does nothing but kick the analogue output further down the road, solves nothing.

Look, it has to go to analogue eventually and unless you're putting the amplifiers into the headphones, which means those will need a power supply...

This sentence is already too long and makes no sense.
 
2014-06-05 07:54:34 PM  
Bluetooth headphones work good enough for me.  Whatever I lose in quality I make up for by not being able to hear a difference and by not being physically tethered to my phone.
 
2014-06-05 08:09:50 PM  
Apple suckers.
 
2014-06-05 08:38:05 PM  
Yeah that's totally a great idea. I'll totally buy an Apple device that doesn't have a port for standard headphones.

/Secret Service, are you detecting anything?
 
2014-06-05 08:41:46 PM  
Editor's note: The original headline stated as fact that Apple was abandoning the headphone jack. This is informed opinion, so we added a question mark

i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-05 08:42:50 PM  
Cue posts saying how this doesn't matter and they're perfectly happy buying proprietary headphones because "'better' quality" and blah blah in 3...2...

The only question this brings to mind is: Why didn't they try this sooner?
 
2014-06-05 08:43:07 PM  

bdub77: Yeah that's totally a great idea. I'll totally buy an Apple device that doesn't have a port for standard headphones.

/Secret Service, are you detecting anything?


oi59.tinypic.com
 
2014-06-05 08:43:45 PM  
That's what I get for NRTFA...lol
 
2014-06-05 08:47:18 PM  
Killing two birds with one stone.
 
2014-06-05 08:47:40 PM  
If they did, just one more reason to not buy another Apple product.
 
2014-06-05 08:48:16 PM  
People love those farking overpriced Beats headphones. I see them everywhere here in Brisbane.
 
2014-06-05 08:48:44 PM  
FTA: Crucially Apple would also strengthen the hold it has over users by tying them even tighter into its proprietary ecosystem.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....................(breathes)........BAHAHAH A HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Go ahead and pay extra to stay in the compound
, it makes you a better person, it really does!

/Lumia 920 with $40 sennheisers.
 
2014-06-05 08:49:36 PM  

gaslight: I can see them pumping audio through the thunder port connector to headphones easily but let's be honest, the minijack is standardized throughout the world and it's not like there are any royalties on it. Eliminating the mini output -- which is a flawlessly functioning solution that has the benefit of being idiot proof -- with a digital connector that does nothing but kick the analogue output further down the road, solves nothing.


And that right there is why they would do it,  money and control,  Apple loves both.
 
2014-06-05 08:49:56 PM  
I guess I'll just have to buy a "proprietary" set of headphones at the gas station where I bought my "proprietary" $10 charger.

Proprietary connectors are idiotic when cheap knock offs are readily avaliable. I don't know anyone who has ever bought an actual Apple iphone or iPad charger besides the one that came with the original purchase.
 
2014-06-05 08:50:23 PM  

theurge14: Editor's note: The original headline stated as fact that Apple was abandoning the headphone jack. This is informed opinion, so we added a question mark

[i.imgur.com image 496x324]


Its is forbes after all.  I half expected to see a Samsung Galaxy advertisement when you brought up the article.

/allowing lightening connector to do audio is a good move but I seriously doubt Apple will remove the traditional connector - at least in the next couple generations of phones
 
2014-06-05 08:50:38 PM  
The theory that Apple will go that route and drop a perfect old technology in favor of a new and proprietary system is reasonable since that is exactly the kind of thing Apple does.  It's their farking business model.
 
2014-06-05 08:54:41 PM  
I hear Apple will do this on that iWatch that is for realz totes coming to market this year for sure! I love watching how riled up iHaters get over pages and pages of entirely unfounded speculation.
 
2014-06-05 08:54:41 PM  

OgreMagi: The theory that Apple will go that route and drop a perfect old technology in favor of a new and proprietary system is reasonable since that is exactly the kind of thing Apple does.  It's their farking business model.


And Apple users will be convinced that it sounds way better than that dusty old phone jack that all the other phones have.
 
2014-06-05 08:55:39 PM  
This did work with firewire after all, those cables are in wide spread use now.
 
2014-06-05 08:55:52 PM  

OgreMagi: The theory that Apple will go that route and drop a perfect old technology in favor of a new and proprietary system is reasonable since that is exactly the kind of thing Apple does.  It's their farking business model.


Yes but I would think there has to be a limit somewhere. As the article points out every new gadget adds a new cost and every new cost creates a barrier to entry. At some point in time Apple can quality itself right out of existence.  I don't know. I'm not an Apple fan boy and I honestly don't understand the fan boy experience, with computers or anything else. But it does seem logical that if this is their business model it cannot be extended indefinitely.
 
2014-06-05 08:56:09 PM  
FTA:

If you can afford a $1,000 pair of headphones you may pick up the difference.

No, about $80 will introduce you to the world of high quality audio headphones and that name is not Beats or BOSE, it's GRADO.

And the article is a bunch of hooey.
 
2014-06-05 08:59:52 PM  

gingerjet: theurge14: Editor's note: The original headline stated as fact that Apple was abandoning the headphone jack. This is informed opinion, so we added a question mark

[i.imgur.com image 496x324]

Its is forbes after all.  I half expected to see a Samsung Galaxy advertisement when you brought up the article.

/allowing lightening connector to do audio is a good move but I seriously doubt Apple will remove the traditional connector - at least in the next couple generations of phones


I have a fio amp that connects to my iPhone 5s lightning port. You can already get audio out of it.
All Apple is doing is introducing a new standard for audio out of the port.
They won't be getting rid of the headphone jack.
It's a stupid ass theory floated by people who wank to how much they hate Apple.
 
2014-06-05 09:00:42 PM  

Boo_Guy: OgreMagi: The theory that Apple will go that route and drop a perfect old technology in favor of a new and proprietary system is reasonable since that is exactly the kind of thing Apple does.  It's their farking business model.

And Apple users will be convinced that it sounds way better than that dusty old phone jack that all the other phones have.


Only if they get Monster Cables.
 
2014-06-05 09:03:43 PM  

overfienduglar: This did work with firewire after all, those cables are in wide spread use now.


img.fark.net
Ho-hoo,  iz funny because iz exact opposite!

/and true =)
 
2014-06-05 09:03:44 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: gingerjet: theurge14: Editor's note: The original headline stated as fact that Apple was abandoning the headphone jack. This is informed opinion, so we added a question mark

[i.imgur.com image 496x324]

Its is forbes after all.  I half expected to see a Samsung Galaxy advertisement when you brought up the article.

/allowing lightening connector to do audio is a good move but I seriously doubt Apple will remove the traditional connector - at least in the next couple generations of phones

I have a fio amp that connects to my iPhone 5s lightning port. You can already get audio out of it.
All Apple is doing is introducing a new standard for audio out of the port.
They won't be getting rid of the headphone jack.
It's a stupid ass theory floated by people who wank to how much they hate Apple.


You are right.  They would never dump a universal standard like audio jacks or USB to make a tiny additional profit.  The Apple fanboys would never stand for it.
 
2014-06-05 09:06:00 PM  

gaslight: I can see them pumping audio through the thunder port connector to headphones easily but let's be honest, the minijack is standardized throughout the world and it's not like there are any royalties on it. Eliminating the mini output -- which is a flawlessly functioning solution that has the benefit of being idiot proof -- with a digital connector that does nothing but kick the analogue output further down the road, solves nothing.

Look, it has to go to analogue eventually and unless you're putting the amplifiers into the headphones, which means those will need a power supply...

This sentence is already too long and makes no sense.


You aren't spending time with the right idiots then.

/CSB A friend of my wifes' complained her tablet wasn't charging any more. I asked her to bring it over one night and I'd look at it.

She came over and, during a break in their beading, I had her demonstrate for me the problem. She takes the tablet out of the bag, plugs a charger into the wall, plugs the plug into the device, and hits the power on. It lights up for about 4 seconds and...dies.

I examined the device. Looks fine. Look at the charger, it's odd looking but undamaged.

Examine closer.

She had set the thing down next to a jumble of old phones on her dresser. Unknowingly, she had grabbed an old Nokia charging brick the next morning by mistake. That charger was a shoo-in for her tablet brick.

...


And the round AC plug fit nicely into the headphone jack, immediately next to the correct AC jack on the top corner. It even *snikt* into place.
 
2014-06-05 09:10:00 PM  

hitmanric: FTA: Crucially Apple would also strengthen the hold it has over users by tying them even tighter into its proprietary ecosystem.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....................(breathes)........BAHAHAH A HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Go ahead and pay extra to stay in the compound, it makes you a better person, it really does!

/Lumia 920 with $40 sennheisers.


I have one of those also and love the new shiat that came with 8.1
 
2014-06-05 09:11:33 PM  
There's no way Apple would do this. They might sell headphones that can be used in the Lightning port but they would never make it mandatory. It is tempting to try to compare it to Apple dropping some standard or replacing it but those comparisons fall flat. The headphone jack has been standard for decades and isn't showing any sign of going away any time soon. The 3.5mm plug dates back to transistor radios.
 
2014-06-05 09:11:38 PM  

spamdog: People love those farking overpriced Beats headphones. I see them everywhere here in Brisbane.


People like it for how they look. I wouldn't have a problem with them being ovepriced, except they sound like crap. Overpriced is one thing. Overpriced and worse than a $30 pair of headphones from Monoprice is another thing.

/yes, there is a set of $30 Monoprice headphones that aren't too bad. Can be beaten with something better for more (Grado, Senneheiser, Audio Technica, even some Sony headphones).
//long slashie is long
 
2014-06-05 09:12:02 PM  
I remember when Forbes was a professional news outlet, not a rabble-rousing, rumor-spreading tool of Samsung's marketing department.
 
2014-06-05 09:12:25 PM  

max_pooper: I guess I'll just have to buy a "proprietary" set of headphones at the gas station where I bought my "proprietary" $10 charger.

Proprietary connectors are idiotic when cheap knock offs are readily avaliable. I don't know anyone who has ever bought an actual Apple iphone or iPad charger besides the one that came with the original purchase.


Current Apple stuff can detect unlicensed cables. The knock offs don't work anymore.
 
2014-06-05 09:12:51 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I have one of those also and love the new shiat that came with 8.1


You got 8.1 already? On a 920 no less? I have a 925, and my wife has a 920, it would be nice to get 8.1 rolling out. What carrier do you have or did you get it through dev channels?
 
2014-06-05 09:13:06 PM  
Oh look, another reason not to buy Apple.

/they won't do it.
 
2014-06-05 09:14:13 PM  
Gotta plug that analog hole.
 
2014-06-05 09:14:43 PM  
While I generally like what Apple does with its iOS devices, this idea would be downright moronic. The best thing about having earphones with a 3.5mm jack is that I can use those headphones on my pocket radio if I want to listen to a sporting event while at work. Take that away and make people pay extra for Lightning earphones is stupid. Plus, they'll probably make it cost 3-5 times more just because of the Beats branding.
 
2014-06-05 09:18:06 PM  
Best way to sell that change would be to say that this now allows them to make the iPhone waterproof.
 
2014-06-05 09:18:59 PM  
Apple is dumb enough to use a nonstandard charging/data port on its devices, but they can't be stupid enough to get rid of the 3.5 mm audio jack. HTC/T-Mobile already attempted that experiment. It failed.

/Apple could make a killing by using a 1/4" jack and marketing it to hipsters ironically
//or a BNC jack, which is so obscure you probably haven't heard of it
///I was into XLRs and optical audio before they sold out and went mainstream.
 
2014-06-05 09:21:03 PM  
There are people that think Apple WOULDN'T do this?
 
2014-06-05 09:25:34 PM  

twat_waffle: //or a BNC jack, which is so obscure you probably haven't heard of it


You'd want a split cable for glorious monophonic sound in both ears.
 
2014-06-05 09:30:06 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: There are people that think Apple WOULDN'T do this?


Depends on the motivation. Jony Ive would want to do this, I'd think. The people who care more about the business side of things should say no to this. I don't know if they have the guts to say no.
 
2014-06-05 09:34:57 PM  

Tobin_Lam: There's no way Apple would do this. They might sell headphones that can be used in the Lightning port but they would never make it mandatory. It is tempting to try to compare it to Apple dropping some standard or replacing it but those comparisons fall flat. The headphone jack has been standard for decades and isn't showing any sign of going away any time soon. The 3.5mm plug dates back to transistor radios.




Actually, this is completely an Apple play. Geez, apple fanboys ( and I think that during some of their conferences even Apple execs) still crow about how "everyone thought we were MAD to get rid of the floppy drive on the iMacs, and how everyone thought we were CRAZY for getting rid of the CD ROM on the mac mini and macbook air". And both of those moves I would guess were more risky than removing the audio jack, given how easy bluetoothy headphones and car systems are to find nowadays, and how Apple wants to be your central hub to wirelessly connect to everything.
 
2014-06-05 09:36:35 PM  
Soooo, there's one less reason to buy a marginally improved new iphone. Thanks Apple.
 
2014-06-05 09:40:18 PM  
They kinda already did that with the retarded sunk in port on the original iPhone. They got rid of it by the 3G.

Oddly enough, most headphones you buy now would work on a 2g iPhone without a problem.
 
2014-06-05 09:40:37 PM  
will never happen

Apple didn't buy Beats for the hardware market, but the streaming business.

the author of TFA is an ill informed hipster
 
2014-06-05 09:45:27 PM  

American Decency Association: will never happen

Apple didn't buy Beats for the hardware market, but the streaming business.

the author of TFA is an ill informed hipster trolling for clicks


FTFY
 
2014-06-05 09:47:43 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: There are people that think Apple WOULDN'T do this?


As someone who had to get a special screwdriver just to swap a bigger RAM stick in an old Macbook, this is true.
 
2014-06-05 09:54:10 PM  
Apple bought Beats for one reason: To be able to advertise "with Beats by Dre" on the marketing materials when they put out a new iPhone, iPod, or iPad. They'll include a cheap-ass, pair of Beats earbuds and justify a mark-up.
 
2014-06-05 09:56:09 PM  

snowshovel: Tobin_Lam: There's no way Apple would do this. They might sell headphones that can be used in the Lightning port but they would never make it mandatory. It is tempting to try to compare it to Apple dropping some standard or replacing it but those comparisons fall flat. The headphone jack has been standard for decades and isn't showing any sign of going away any time soon. The 3.5mm plug dates back to transistor radios.

Actually, this is completely an Apple play. Geez, apple fanboys ( and I think that during some of their conferences even Apple execs) still crow about how "everyone thought we were MAD to get rid of the floppy drive on the iMacs, and how everyone thought we were CRAZY for getting rid of the CD ROM on the mac mini and macbook air". And both of those moves I would guess were more risky than removing the audio jack, given how easy bluetoothy headphones and car systems are to find nowadays, and how Apple wants to be your central hub to wirelessly connect to everything.


Floppies were already being replaced by CDs. Dropping CDs in favor of networks and USB was logical for small devices. Before this article, could you have named a potential headphone jack replacement? Bluetooth is simply a supplement.
 
2014-06-05 09:59:35 PM  

OgreMagi: You are right. They would never dump a universal standard like audio jacks or USB to make a tiny additional profit. The Apple fanboys would never stand for it.


While I'm not a huge fan of Apple's practices, technically the iPod connector as we know it was a modification of Firewire originally, as the first iPods could only connect via Firewire.  Apple's excuse was futureproofing, and like as not it seems they actually used that aspect of it, since the same connector now works for USB as well as Firewire on compatible iPods, along with audio out, video out, data, etc. etc. etc.
 
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