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(Talking Points Memo)   Maureen Dowd calls her marijuana edibles experiment "ill-advised". At least she didn't inhale   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 114
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2014-06-05 07:02:09 PM  
This thread may now commence with the holy ritual of proclaiming that marijuana is a wonder drug which is perfectly safe.
 
2014-06-05 07:31:09 PM  
And it was perfectly safe.  She ate too much.  She didn't die.  She didn't have to be rushed to the hospital.  She just felt like shiat for a few hours until it wore off.
 
2014-06-05 07:54:09 PM  
It's a good thing she wasn't driving a car, flying a plane, caring for children, going to work, walking about downtown, riding a bike through traffic, etc.
 
2014-06-05 08:09:12 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: This thread may now commence with the holy ritual of proclaiming that marijuana is a wonder drug which is perfectly safe.


This. People act like it's 100 times safer than aspirin when it's really only like 50 times safer.
 
2014-06-05 08:10:50 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: It's a good thing she wasn't driving a car, flying a plane, caring for children, going to work, walking about downtown, riding a bike through traffic, etc.


Yeah, uh, those things aren't a good idea when you've downed an entire bottle of Jack either.
 
2014-06-05 08:11:05 PM  
I still don't believe she only had a couple of bites of that thc candy bar. I think she ate the whole thing,got far too high and got scared.
 
2014-06-05 08:11:53 PM  
Just smoke it like a normal person, FFS.
 
2014-06-05 08:12:58 PM  
"Matt Brown gave me a great tour. There is no mention of edibles in my transcript of our interview, but we were together several hours and no doubt we did chat about it at some point," she said, as quoted by The Cannabist.

"I can't really recall because I was high as a kite at the time."
 
2014-06-05 08:14:11 PM  
Well, her personal-experience article was ill-advised.  That's for sure.
 
2014-06-05 08:14:47 PM  
She looked into her soul and that ugly, stinking cesspit of angry-at-the-penis frightened her.
 
2014-06-05 08:15:33 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: This thread may now commence with the holy ritual of proclaiming that marijuana is a wonder drug which is perfectly safe.


On it.

InterruptingQuirk: It's a good thing she wasn't driving a car, flying a plane, caring for children, going to work, walking about downtown, riding a bike through traffic, etc.


Or drinking herself into a stupor or destroying her liver with large doses of acetaminophen... Or driving down a road and not stabbing herself in her eyes repeatedly. Or some other incredibly stupid thing adults are supposed to know not to do.

Here's an idea. Read the label. Approach with caution. Little common sense things like that.
 
2014-06-05 08:17:11 PM  

A Terrible Human: I still don't believe she only had a couple of bites of that thc candy bar. I think she ate the whole thing,got far too high and got scared.


From her wiki:

"2014 Colorado candy bar incident
In January 2014, Dowd went to Colorado, where she ate a cannabis-infused chocolate bar in her hotel room, which she had purchased legally. This resulted in her lying "curled up in a hallucinatory state for the next eight hours" according to her June 2014 New York Times op-ed.[28][29]

Dowd had assumed the cannabis chocolate she purchased was one serving and ate the entire bar,[30] which she was later told should have been broken into sixteen pieces, causing her to become "too high".[31][32] She said that recommendation had not been on the label, and that she was informed of it the next day by a medical consultant at a factory producing edible cannabis products.[33][34]

Edible cannabis products in Colorado are required to be labeled with the THC content, with a maximum of 100mg permitted in recreational products.[35] Matt Brown, co-founder of a cannabis tourism company, said he had spent three to four hours with Dowd and a friend of hers before the incident, and said: "She got the warning. ... We talked about edibles and how they affect everyone differently."[36]
"
 
2014-06-05 08:17:30 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: And it was perfectly safe.  She ate too much.  She didn't die.  She didn't have to be rushed to the hospital.  She just felt like shiat for a few hours until it wore off.


No one credible ever says it's perfectly safe. Sure there's a few risks involved, but it won't be destroying your liver or most other important bodily organs any time soon, and the LD50 itself speaks of its safety. Can you say the same for acetaminophen, benzos, opioids, any anesthetic, or even any vitamin?
 
2014-06-05 08:18:06 PM  
I've envisioned Maureen Dowd doing a lot of things, but having a bad high? That's new.
 
2014-06-05 08:18:18 PM  

A Terrible Human: I still don't believe she only had a couple of bites of that thc candy bar. I think she ate the whole thing,got far too high and got scared.


FTFA: "I ate approximately a quarter of the candy bar, which was too much for someone like me."

without seeing what a whole one looks like I cant say how much that is but she was told to take 1 bite.  i think she was fairly incredulous in biting off more than she should chew.  It must have been so small she thought it couldnt pack that much punch.  i'd love to see if she has the wherewithal to actually follow the 'rules' and then right an even-handed follow-up review.
 
2014-06-05 08:18:33 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: This thread may now commence with the holy ritual of proclaiming that marijuana is a wonder drug which is perfectly safe.


If she had 16x the normal dosage of any number of legal substances, including alcohol, she wouldn't have written this. Because she'd be  farking dead.

She downed basically a quarter ounce of weed at once and got paranoid and felt shiatty? How do you think she'd feel if she downed an entire bottle of asprin, or bottle of vodka? Or just a  bit too much of both?
 
2014-06-05 08:19:59 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Dowd had assumed the cannabis chocolate she purchased was one serving and ate the entire bar,[30] which she was later told should have been broken into sixteen pieces, causing her to become "too high".[31][32] She said that recommendation had not been on the label, and that she was informed of it the next day by a medical consultant at a factory producing edible cannabis products.[33][34]


What, you mean I was supposed to drink the entire 1.5 liters of whiskey? Why didn't someone warn me!????
 
2014-06-05 08:21:51 PM  
Except for the person who spent two 45 minute sessions discussing edibles with her, yeah she was totally ill-informed.
 
2014-06-05 08:22:02 PM  
indul.ccio.co
 
2014-06-05 08:24:08 PM  
One, you people are easy. Two, I don't have a dog in this race. Three, nana nana boo boo. Four, who are you arguing with? Five, would all the people advocating for the safety of prescription drugs and alcohol please stand up.
 
2014-06-05 08:24:11 PM  
I'm pretty sure I'm the only person left in my generation who has never been high or drunk.

I also don't have a tattoo or any piercings.

/I'm not conservative by any means.
//I just don't do things that compromise by brain or make me look like a doodle pad.
 
2014-06-05 08:24:47 PM  

you are a puppet: InterruptingQuirk: This thread may now commence with the holy ritual of proclaiming that marijuana is a wonder drug which is perfectly safe.

This. People act like it's 100 times safer than aspirin when it's really only like 50 times safer.


I think you overestimate the safety of aspirin.
 
2014-06-05 08:25:29 PM  
Ricardo Baca at The Cannabist has a measured, informative response to all this kerfuffle.
 
2014-06-05 08:26:16 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: It's a good thing she wasn't driving a car, flying a plane, caring for children, going to work, walking about downtown, riding a bike through traffic, etc.


Yeah I always get high before I do all of those things. Some of us need the higher degree of difficulty that comes with being high 24/7.
 
2014-06-05 08:28:08 PM  

Cymbal: InterruptingQuirk: It's a good thing she wasn't driving a car, flying a plane, caring for children, going to work, walking about downtown, riding a bike through traffic, etc.

Yeah I always get high before I do all of those things. Some of us need the higher degree of difficulty that comes with being high 24/7.


Caring for children is the only I have never done while high.
 
2014-06-05 08:28:29 PM  

you are a puppet: InterruptingQuirk: This thread may now commence with the holy ritual of proclaiming that marijuana is a wonder drug which is perfectly safe.

This. People act like it's 100 times safer than aspirin when it's really only like 50 times safer.



You can kill yourself with aspirin a whole lot faster than you can kill yourself with pot.
 
2014-06-05 08:28:39 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Four, who are you arguing with?


Argue? I came here for a discussion.
 
2014-06-05 08:28:47 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: One, you people are easy. Two, I don't have a dog in this race. Three, nana nana boo boo. Four, who are you arguing with? Five, would all the people advocating for the safety of prescription drugs and alcohol please stand up.


I'm just gonna take that as your mea culpa then and applaud that you can recognize when your arguments get eviscerated so easily.
 
2014-06-05 08:29:17 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I'm pretty sure I'm the only person left in my generation who has never been high or drunk.

I also don't have a tattoo or any piercings.

/I'm not conservative by any means.
//I just don't do things that compromise by brain or make me look like a doodle pad.


You do realize this comes off as pretty sanctimonious, yes?
Enjoy your straight-edginess, just don't snot at people who enjoy altering their consciousness and/or skin.
 
2014-06-05 08:29:28 PM  

Destructor: InterruptingQuirk: Four, who are you arguing with?

Argue? I came here for a discussion.


I'm sorry, I thought the 'nana nana boo boo' part would have made role clear.
 
2014-06-05 08:30:06 PM  

Raoul Eaton: You can kill yourself with aspirin a whole lot faster than you can kill yourself with pot.


And yet I prefer that as my pain reliever of choice over acetaminophen. Sigh. I'll miss it when its outlawed.
 
2014-06-05 08:30:10 PM  
*my
 
2014-06-05 08:31:07 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I'm pretty sure I'm the only person left in my generation who has never been high or drunk.

I also don't have a tattoo or any piercings.

/I'm not conservative by any means.
//I just don't do things that compromise by brain or make me look like a doodle pad.


Except for hanging out on Fark, of course.
 
2014-06-05 08:31:20 PM  

Inchoate: InterruptingQuirk: It's a good thing she wasn't driving a car, flying a plane, caring for children, going to work, walking about downtown, riding a bike through traffic, etc.

Yeah, uh, those things aren't a good idea when you've downed an entire bottle of Jack either.


Is this the fallback position of all potheads? "Well, it's better than alcohol, anyway!" ?

Here's an idea: How about you don't use either? How about you maintain full control of your brain and persona instead of needing to slip into any sort of chemically-induced stupor? I've seen and experienced some horrific, terrible things in my life, and I never, ever felt the need to escape into a bottle or get high. I've had lots of fun in my life, and I never did it while stoned. I never NEEDED to be stoned to have fun.

I don't care. Really, do whatever it is you do, and I'll support it being legal (mainly because I want stoners to finally shut up about legalizing it, but also because prisons are full of people who haven't harmed anyone but themselves and I think that's dumb), but this whole act of promoting weed as a "safe" alternative to booze? That's just lame.

You don't NEED either of them. You don't NEED to be stoned or drunk. Life is pretty cool on its own, and requires no enhancement. Love is an awesome drug. Endorphins from sex are pretty amazing, too.

/Fine, yes, I drink caffeinated cola.
//Homemade, though, so it's about 25% less caffeine than Coke or Pepsi.
 
2014-06-05 08:33:40 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: I'm sorry, I thought the 'nana nana boo boo' part would have made role clear.


Perhaps I've enjoyed too many edibles. You're not supposed to have more then 5 in a single sitting, right?
 
2014-06-05 08:34:28 PM  

Destructor: InterruptingQuirk: I'm sorry, I thought the 'nana nana boo boo' part would have made role clear.

Perhaps I've enjoyed too many edibles. You're not supposed to have more then 5 in a single sitting, right?


I think the LD50 is 4 pieces. It was nice to have known you.
 
2014-06-05 08:37:02 PM  
My GF had her first experience with edibles about a week ago.

I told her to treat it like a psychedelic- be in a safe, comfortable place with people you like since the high is unpredictable the first time. Then after you eat it, realize you have to metabolize it before it hits you so DON'T GORGE. Eat some, wait half an hour, eat some more, wait - see how it hits.

She was thanking me profusely the next day. She ate half of it, waited half an hour and wasn't feeling anything, decided to wait 5 more minutes before eating more (on my warning), then by her words she "got hit by a truck" from the high.

It was a strong high, but not bad. Had she eaten the whole thing, Lord knows how much she would've hated herself.

newsflash: edibles are different than smoking. Heed the warnings.
 
2014-06-05 08:37:56 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Inchoate: InterruptingQuirk: It's a good thing she wasn't driving a car, flying a plane, caring for children, going to work, walking about downtown, riding a bike through traffic, etc.

Yeah, uh, those things aren't a good idea when you've downed an entire bottle of Jack either.

Is this the fallback position of all potheads? "Well, it's better than alcohol, anyway!" ?

Here's an idea: How about you don't use either? How about you maintain full control of your brain and persona instead of needing to slip into any sort of chemically-induced stupor? I've seen and experienced some horrific, terrible things in my life, and I never, ever felt the need to escape into a bottle or get high. I've had lots of fun in my life, and I never did it while stoned. I never NEEDED to be stoned to have fun.

I don't care. Really, do whatever it is you do, and I'll support it being legal (mainly because I want stoners to finally shut up about legalizing it, but also because prisons are full of people who haven't harmed anyone but themselves and I think that's dumb), but this whole act of promoting weed as a "safe" alternative to booze? That's just lame.

You don't NEED either of them. You don't NEED to be stoned or drunk. Life is pretty cool on its own, and requires no enhancement. Love is an awesome drug. Endorphins from sex are pretty amazing, too.

/Fine, yes, I drink caffeinated cola.
//Homemade, though, so it's about 25% less caffeine than Coke or Pepsi.


We get it, drugs are not for you. You want a medal or something?
 
2014-06-05 08:41:06 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Inchoate: InterruptingQuirk: It's a good thing she wasn't driving a car, flying a plane, caring for children, going to work, walking about downtown, riding a bike through traffic, etc.

Yeah, uh, those things aren't a good idea when you've downed an entire bottle of Jack either.

Is this the fallback position of all potheads? "Well, it's better than alcohol, anyway!" ?

Here's an idea: How about you don't use either? How about you maintain full control of your brain and persona instead of needing to slip into any sort of chemically-induced stupor? I've seen and experienced some horrific, terrible things in my life, and I never, ever felt the need to escape into a bottle or get high. I've had lots of fun in my life, and I never did it while stoned. I never NEEDED to be stoned to have fun.

I don't care. Really, do whatever it is you do, and I'll support it being legal (mainly because I want stoners to finally shut up about legalizing it, but also because prisons are full of people who haven't harmed anyone but themselves and I think that's dumb), but this whole act of promoting weed as a "safe" alternative to booze? That's just lame.

You don't NEED either of them. You don't NEED to be stoned or drunk. Life is pretty cool on its own, and requires no enhancement. Love is an awesome drug. Endorphins from sex are pretty amazing, too.

/Fine, yes, I drink caffeinated cola.
//Homemade, though, so it's about 25% less caffeine than Coke or Pepsi.


Wow dude, I want to party with you!
 
2014-06-05 08:43:20 PM  

Inchoate: Nix Nightbird: I'm pretty sure I'm the only person left in my generation who has never been high or drunk.

I also don't have a tattoo or any piercings.

/I'm not conservative by any means.
//I just don't do things that compromise by brain or make me look like a doodle pad.

You do realize this comes off as pretty sanctimonious, yes?
Enjoy your straight-edginess, just don't snot at people who enjoy altering their consciousness and/or skin.

Fluid: Nix Nightbird: I'm pretty sure I'm the only person left in my generation who has never been high or drunk.

I also don't have a tattoo or any piercings.

/I'm not conservative by any means.
//I just don't do things that compromise by brain or make me look like a doodle pad.

Except for hanging out on Fark, of course.


Well, OK. You have me there. This is a sort of addiction. I'm addicted to words.

Unfortunately, I can't quit any time I want to.
 
2014-06-05 08:43:34 PM  
"There is no room in the drug culture for amateurs."

-Hunter Stockton Thompson
 
2014-06-05 08:45:27 PM  

symptomoftheuniverse: Wow dude, I want to party with you!


Pffft. Like you'd even remember?

All you'd know is you'd wake up the next morning wearing a flowered sun hat and lipstick, and later find lots of pictures on your new Craiglist connections ad.
 
2014-06-05 08:46:13 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [indul.ccio.co image 400x400]


Chicken pot pie?

/Donnie want a green quarter!
 
2014-06-05 08:47:45 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I'm pretty sure I'm the only person left in my generation who has never been high or drunk.

I also don't have a tattoo or any piercings.

/I'm not conservative by any means.
//I just don't do things that compromise by brain or make me look like a doodle pad.


What a special snowflake you are! I'd offer you a cookie, but the sugar in it might harm your precious little brain.
 
2014-06-05 08:48:16 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Inchoate: InterruptingQuirk: It's a good thing she wasn't driving a car, flying a plane, caring for children, going to work, walking about downtown, riding a bike through traffic, etc.

Yeah, uh, those things aren't a good idea when you've downed an entire bottle of Jack either.

Is this the fallback position of all potheads? "Well, it's better than alcohol, anyway!" ?

Here's an idea: How about you don't use either? How about you maintain full control of your brain and persona instead of needing to slip into any sort of chemically-induced stupor? I've seen and experienced some horrific, terrible things in my life, and I never, ever felt the need to escape into a bottle or get high. I've had lots of fun in my life, and I never did it while stoned. I never NEEDED to be stoned to have fun.

I don't care. Really, do whatever it is you do, and I'll support it being legal (mainly because I want stoners to finally shut up about legalizing it, but also because prisons are full of people who haven't harmed anyone but themselves and I think that's dumb), but this whole act of promoting weed as a "safe" alternative to booze? That's just lame.

You don't NEED either of them. You don't NEED to be stoned or drunk. Life is pretty cool on its own, and requires no enhancement. Love is an awesome drug. Endorphins from sex are pretty amazing, too.

/Fine, yes, I drink caffeinated cola.
//Homemade, though, so it's about 25% less caffeine than Coke or Pepsi.


Great for you. I like to party and kick down with friends.

To each their own I guess
 
2014-06-05 08:49:19 PM  
what was ill-advised was her parents getting drunk that time...
 
2014-06-05 08:49:56 PM  

Nix Nightbird: You don't NEED either of them. You don't NEED to be stoned or drunk. Life is pretty cool on its own, and requires no enhancement. Love is an awesome drug. Endorphins from sex are pretty amazing, too.


No, I don't need to. I don't need, strictly speaking, to do almost anything pleasurable. That's an idiotic argument.
I like the different permutations my mind can stretch into when altered. These are intrinsic parts of my personality as well. Often I have introspective insights on my whole self that stay with me long after I've sobered. My stoned mind, even more so than my normal one, excels and delights in finding logical but improbable connections between everything, in making metaphors and stories. And those are only some of the awesome things that happen.

Sometimes being stoned has annoying parts (like the dryness, increased appetite, altered attention span and, depending on strain and person, paranoia). Obviously that isn't a tenable state for quotidian existence, but it's wonderful to slip into from time to time, like any fine recreation, and (especially at milder levels) fiddles pleasantly with the color contrast knob on any other activity you pursue while on it.

Sometimes it's an escape; mostly it's an exploration. :)  Some people are content to be homebodies who never venture far from their birthplace, and some are compelled to travel far and wide. Brains are like that too. Neither choice deserves judgment on its own.

/I am probably starting to sound like Enhancement Smoker.
//went from sober to not over the course of this post, trufax
 
2014-06-05 08:50:07 PM  
I wonder if the candy bar was indica, sativa, or hybrid... I would think hybrid or sativa edibles wouldn't be too great for consumption (just my opinion - I prefer indica over sativa)... I think hybrids would be the worst, since you have the up/down effects from the differences of the two species. I would think that would be extremely unpleasant to go through. I could see how a hybrid edible could cause extreme anxiety...

Edibles are starting to get a bad wrap. I've never tried them, but I would think some strains or species would be better than others for that type of ingestion. If I tried an edible, I would want something soothing and relaxing - like indica usually is...
 
2014-06-05 08:50:09 PM  

Nix Nightbird: You don't NEED either of them. You don't NEED to be stoned or drunk.


No shiat, Sherlock. Quick being a prick just because other people WANT to.
 
2014-06-05 08:50:10 PM  

Nix Nightbird: /Fine, yes, I drink caffeinated cola.
//Homemade, though, so it's about 25% less caffeine than Coke or Pepsi.


I made you some homemade Pepsi for the party.
i.imgur.com
It's a little thick, but the price is right!
 
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