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2014-06-06 02:25:01 AM  
"Pleased to meet you, Keenly."
-Albert Einstein
 
2014-06-06 03:00:49 AM  
Well, duh!
 
2014-06-06 03:03:36 AM  
It's not about insomnia, it's about being alone and the world being at a standstill with nothing going on.
 
2014-06-06 03:05:27 AM  
For some reason that headline reminds me of the guy who built his own guillotine and set an alarm for it to drop down and chop his head off while he was still sleeping.

While I'm not exactly fond of praising suicide, I have to admit that was a really good idea.
 
2014-06-06 03:08:38 AM  
www.surfersam.com
 
2014-06-06 03:08:45 AM  
People are more likely to commit suicide after midnight, and the suicide rate peaks between 2am and 3am

Good thing I'm usually pretty drunk at that hour.


Weatherkiss: For some reason that headline reminds me of the guy who built his own guillotine and set an alarm for it to drop down and chop his head off while he was still sleeping.

While I'm not exactly fond of praising suicide, I have to admit that was a really good idea.


Eh. While clever it seems like a sealed garage and a running car would be simpler. And potentially a lot less painful if you flop around in your sleep a lot.
 
2014-06-06 03:17:58 AM  
Well duh, every time I committed suicide in my sleep I wake up and I'm still okay.
 
2014-06-06 03:21:41 AM  

SpdrJay: Well duh, every time I committed suicide in my sleep I wake up and I'm still okay.


earnthis.net

Maybe you weren't really asleep.
 
2014-06-06 03:27:14 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: SpdrJay: Well duh, every time I committed suicide in my sleep I wake up and I'm still okay.



Maybe you weren't really asleep.


I Got You Babe.
 
2014-06-06 03:30:36 AM  
Next time it's April 15th and your taxes are due, think of this shiat.  Who the fark comes up with study ideas like this?

/insomniac, parent of an infant or two, and not suicidal
 
2014-06-06 03:37:23 AM  

zarker: It's not about insomnia, it's about being alone and the world being at a standstill with nothing going on.


This

I'd read this article earlier and it has been bothering me. I'd like to know how they'd link it to insomnia.

I'm more inclined to think that suicidal thoughts combined with the isolation from the fact that most everyone else is asleep are more obvious factors. And this set of circumstances might be further exacerbated by some depressed fool coming home drunk and/or otherwise intoxicated.

But since this study was released by academics in the sleep disorder field, maybe they were just looking for something to do other than kill themselves.
 
2014-06-06 03:43:10 AM  
Is this like that thing where people who die in their dreams die for real, and then some smart-ass comes along and says "Well, if they died, how did anyone know they dreamed they died?" only in this case if you're going to, you know, KILL yourself you pretty much have to be conscious to do it, since you can't accidentally commit an intentional act?
 
2014-06-06 03:49:26 AM  
I agree that the insomnia-suicide relationship is probably because when you have insomnia, you're alone, exhausted, and often upset or frustrated.  If you're a drinker,  you're often awake and drunk, while also being exhausted but unable to sleep.

All of that doesn't mean every insomniac is a suicide risk.  I am LUCKY to have insomnia.  With a zillion littles and a million meals to make and chores to do, the middle of the night is my refuge.  I look forward to being awake when they aren't.  And I've learned to stop fighting it.


There's a bell curve for every behavior, and insomnia is no different.  Some people need 8 hours a night of sleep, some of us get cranky and bored if we have to be in bed that long.

The bigger issue is:  is the lack of sleep a problem for the subject?  If not, I am sure they're not a suicide risk.  If they're lying awake stressing over the meaning of life and those wolf-hour moments of fear, then they probably need help.
 
2014-06-06 03:49:27 AM  
Awake or awakened to the truth!

www.fredvanlente.com
 
2014-06-06 03:58:46 AM  

granolasteak: I agree that the insomnia-suicide relationship is probably because when you have insomnia, you're alone, exhausted, and often upset or frustrated.


Right. Let's ignore the fact that depression often comes pre-bundled with insomnia...
 
2014-06-06 04:08:30 AM  
As a clinically-depressed person who's been on graveyard for years....uh, hi.
 
2014-06-06 04:09:07 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: granolasteak: I agree that the insomnia-suicide relationship is probably because when you have insomnia, you're alone, exhausted, and often upset or frustrated.

Right. Let's ignore the fact that depression often comes pre-bundled with insomnia...


Whoa your horses there, bud.  I did say upset.  Depression can lead to too MUCH sleeping or too LITTLE sleeping.  Nobody said it's out of the running for reasons for insomnia.  If I had to list every reason every person ever stayed awake when they wished they were sleeping, I'd be typing until *I* was tired, and that's saying something.
 
2014-06-06 04:10:44 AM  
Up Next: making sure any people who are feeling suicidal are asleep during the wee small hours to see if the suicide rates drop

Sounds like they are ignoring the obvious, depression, since lots of people suffer from both insomnia and depression. Is it that insomnia can lead to depression, or does depression cause insomnia? There is probably a link, but I don't know which way it goes.

Depressed people have a tendency to commit suicide, non-depressed insomniacs, not so much.
 
2014-06-06 04:15:04 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: SpdrJay: Well duh, every time I committed suicide in my sleep I wake up and I'm still okay.

[earnthis.net image 600x250]

Maybe you weren't really asleep.


Hmm.... to follow the Groundhog Day theme or to make a Fight Club reference.

Why not both with a side of The Matrix?

operationrainfall.com

/did you ever have a dream that you were so sure was real?
/did you ever have a ridiculously long bullet-time gunfight
 
2014-06-06 04:16:01 AM  
Most truly depressed people don't realize it.
 
2014-06-06 04:23:04 AM  
granolasteak: ... that doesn't mean every insomniac is a suicide risk.

I'm going with this. You can be an insomniac and not be depressed, you can be depressed and not be an insomniac, or you could be depressed and an insomniac. Insomnia itself is not likely to lead to suicide. Depression, with or without insomnia however, is. Which is why this article is stupid for not once mentioning depression.
 
2014-06-06 04:32:50 AM  
For the pill poppers and wrist cutters, the real commitment is where they pass out.
 
2014-06-06 04:48:58 AM  

studebaker hoch: Most truly depressed people don't realize it.


Then how will know to go their doctors and request the outrageously overpriced antidepressants they see advertised on TV?
 
2014-06-06 04:56:07 AM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: studebaker hoch: Most truly depressed people don't realize it.

Then how will know to go their doctors and request the outrageously overpriced antidepressants they see advertised on TV?


I know you're being flippant here, but the best help for seriously depressed people is OTHER PEOPLE.  Coworkers, family, friends..anyone who can say, "Hey, I notice you're not up to scratch these days.  Do  you think it would help if you talked to someone?"

Not antidepressants....at least not every time.  Some times all it takes is someone noticing.  Someone listening.
 
2014-06-06 05:07:25 AM  

studebaker hoch: Most truly depressed people don't realize it.


As a clinically depressed person, I'm still trying to decide if it's better to not know you're depressed or not. With most illnesses, to have it and not know, you would have to have no symptoms, and symptom free depression would be great. But depression pretty much is the symptoms. So I assume then, that they know something is wrong, just not what it is, which wouldn't be all that great.
 
2014-06-06 05:08:53 AM  
People who sanctimoniously chide those who joke about suicide are just this close to getting punched in the face.  It's the jokes that let us who have had to deal with it live with the pain.

My paternal grandfather went through a series of strokes that left him confused and helpless for six years before that last one took him off for good.


Six months later, my dad had a series of TIAs (transient ischemic attacks, or mini strokes) that he hid from us. It seems he had another, one winter night, forty years ago. I can only imagine he saw himself on the verge of being helpless like his father, dependent on others and not himself. That was too much for him to take. He went out in a cold Iowa winter, stuck the barrel of 10 gauge shotgun in his right ear and pulled the trigger.


I found him in the snow behind his business the next morning. I was 24. He was 48.


I had to go home and tell Mom, then my aunt and uncle and call my siblings to break the news.


Sometimes, humor is all that lets us cope.
 
2014-06-06 07:05:13 AM  
If I'd ever kill myself, I'd wanna stomp myself to death.
 
2014-06-06 07:05:32 AM  

fusillade762: People are more likely to commit suicide after midnight, and the suicide rate peaks between 2am and 3am

Good thing I'm usually pretty drunk at that hour.


Weatherkiss: For some reason that headline reminds me of the guy who built his own guillotine and set an alarm for it to drop down and chop his head off while he was still sleeping.

While I'm not exactly fond of praising suicide, I have to admit that was a really good idea.

Eh. While clever it seems like a sealed garage and a running car would be simpler. And potentially a lot less painful if you flop around in your sleep a lot.


Simpler... maybe. Had an uncle that tried that. Gasses make you shiat yourself severely, he freaked out and then crawled back into the house leaving a lovely trail. Was found by a family member and now is mentally disabled from the gasses. Sad.
 
2014-06-06 07:13:14 AM  

LiberalConservative: fusillade762: People are more likely to commit suicide after midnight, and the suicide rate peaks between 2am and 3am

Good thing I'm usually pretty drunk at that hour.


Weatherkiss: For some reason that headline reminds me of the guy who built his own guillotine and set an alarm for it to drop down and chop his head off while he was still sleeping.

While I'm not exactly fond of praising suicide, I have to admit that was a really good idea.

Eh. While clever it seems like a sealed garage and a running car would be simpler. And potentially a lot less painful if you flop around in your sleep a lot.

Simpler... maybe. Had an uncle that tried that. Gasses make you shiat yourself severely, he freaked out and then crawled back into the house leaving a lovely trail. Was found by a family member and now is mentally disabled from the gasses. Sad.


These days you'd run out of gasoline first.
 
2014-06-06 07:24:33 AM  

wildcardjack: LiberalConservative: fusillade762: People are more likely to commit suicide after midnight, and the suicide rate peaks between 2am and 3am

Good thing I'm usually pretty drunk at that hour.


Weatherkiss: For some reason that headline reminds me of the guy who built his own guillotine and set an alarm for it to drop down and chop his head off while he was still sleeping.

While I'm not exactly fond of praising suicide, I have to admit that was a really good idea.

Eh. While clever it seems like a sealed garage and a running car would be simpler. And potentially a lot less painful if you flop around in your sleep a lot.

Simpler... maybe. Had an uncle that tried that. Gasses make you shiat yourself severely, he freaked out and then crawled back into the house leaving a lovely trail. Was found by a family member and now is mentally disabled from the gasses. Sad.

These days you'd run out of gasoline first.


Good.
 
2014-06-06 08:16:52 AM  

Wolf892: I don't feel depressed but I wish I had the courage to end it. Life just seems so uninteresting to me. Everyday is just another mad dash to keep alive another day; and for what? Nothing. It's always the same and the only big surprises left are which age related illness is going to spring up and make my already mundane existence even more tedious.I hate the idea of dying but really envy the dead.



studebaker hoch: Most truly depressed people don't realize it.

 
2014-06-06 08:18:13 AM  
So as it turns out, the "things that keep you awake at night" actually keep you awake at night.  Who knew?
 
2014-06-06 08:23:37 AM  

granolasteak: Next time it's April 15th and your taxes are due, think of this shiat.  Who the fark comes up with study ideas like this?

/insomniac, parent of an infant or two, and not suicidal


What about homicidal?
 
2014-06-06 09:27:59 AM  

wildcardjack: For the pill poppers and wrist cutters, the real commitment is where they pass out.


However they had to be awake to commit the suicidal act.  Like the guy with the guillotine alarm clock, they were awake when they set up their deaths.  Unless the guy took pills, I don't know how he could fall asleep in a guillotine.
 
2014-06-06 09:33:56 AM  
I would have to say that "most" is actually a good way to say it, as there are a percentage of suicides that literally involve going to sleep never to wake up.

Carbon Monoxide (lock yourself in the garage with a running car), for instance.
 
2014-06-06 09:41:04 AM  

lack of warmth: wildcardjack: For the pill poppers and wrist cutters, the real commitment is where they pass out.

However they had to be awake to commit the suicidal act.  Like the guy with the guillotine alarm clock, they were awake when they set up their deaths.  Unless the guy took pills, I don't know how he could fall asleep in a guillotine.


I guess he wasn't an insomniac.

But I'd certainly prefer my actual death to occur while I'm asleep, even if it is a suicide and something I've set up in advance. So ideally some sort of drug that will make my heart stop, but one where it is slow acting enough to come into effect only after I've fallen asleep first (probably with the help of some sleep aids).
 
2014-06-06 10:17:55 AM  

Weatherkiss: For some reason that headline reminds me of the guy who built his own guillotine and set an alarm for it to drop down and chop his head off while he was still sleeping.

While I'm not exactly fond of praising suicide, I have to admit that was a really good idea.


And I have a restless night's sleep when I have a flight in the morning!!
 
2014-06-06 10:30:46 AM  
Which brings to mind the conundrum facing executioners in several states these days.  They can't get the poisons they need to do legal executions. There's a very simple solution to the problem (no pun intended).  Just shoot them up with the same stuff that did Michael Jackson in.

But no... can't do that.  Too simple, not convoluted enough to be legal.  The condemned might just get high for a little bit and ENJOY it before they croak.  Gotta make it as painful as possible so they know they are being punished. The powers that be can enjoy the writhing agony show and sanctimoniously proclaim 'justice has been done'.

Why not just shoot them up with some really good stuff?  Let them go out in a happy way.  Folks might willingly line up to be executed.  Solve the death row overcrowding problem FTW!
 
2014-06-06 10:36:04 AM  

freakingmoron: zarker: It's not about insomnia, it's about being alone and the world being at a standstill with nothing going on.

This

I'd read this article earlier and it has been bothering me. I'd like to know how they'd link it to insomnia.

I'm more inclined to think that suicidal thoughts combined with the isolation from the fact that most everyone else is asleep are more obvious factors. And this set of circumstances might be further exacerbated by some depressed fool coming home drunk and/or otherwise intoxicated.

But since this study was released by academics in the sleep disorder field, maybe they were just looking for something to do other than kill themselves.


Because it's not insomnia that is keeping people awake.  This is where the study got it wrong.

It's PTSD, it's anxiety, it's depression, it's despair, it's numbness, etc. etc. that is keeping people awake.  And when you don't sleep, things get a little loopy.  And when you're a little loopy already, things get a little weird.

I am waiting for the day when my Son's Grandmother calls me and says "Well, she finally went and farking did it."

I know this is Fark, but mental illness isn't something I joke around about.  Maybe you shouldn't either.  Because instead of me 2 years ago, it'll be YOU holding a loved one in the middle of a Grand Mal from too many pills.  THAT is feeling despair, my friends.
 
2014-06-06 10:40:38 AM  

Aulus: People who sanctimoniously chide those who joke about suicide are just this close to getting punched in the face.  It's the jokes that let us who have had to deal with it live with the pain.

My paternal grandfather went through a series of strokes that left him confused and helpless for six years before that last one took him off for good.


Six months later, my dad had a series of TIAs (transient ischemic attacks, or mini strokes) that he hid from us. It seems he had another, one winter night, forty years ago. I can only imagine he saw himself on the verge of being helpless like his father, dependent on others and not himself. That was too much for him to take. He went out in a cold Iowa winter, stuck the barrel of 10 gauge shotgun in his right ear and pulled the trigger.


I found him in the snow behind his business the next morning. I was 24. He was 48.


I had to go home and tell Mom, then my aunt and uncle and call my siblings to break the news.


Sometimes, humor is all that lets us cope.


I know I just said we all shouldn't joke around, but thanks for this.  You're right.  I guess some of us are in a different spot in relation to our loved ones who are afflicted.
 
2014-06-06 11:40:28 AM  
As someone with bipolar type 2 who has spent many long nights contemplating shuffling off this mortal coil, I can tell you that it is being alone with your pain in the silence of the night when everything seems a bit surreal that leads to those successful and attempted suicides. Sometimes a handful of clonazepam and a few shots of whiskey seems like an easy way to slip away peacefully. Sometimes that knife or boxcutter seems a bit too enticing. Spin this out over a few nights without consistent sleep and you have a recipe for disaster. It becomes a feedback loop when you have a mental illness.

Yeah, the depression sucks, but the hypomanic episodes make up for it :)

/yes I am medicated
//no medication doesn't make it all better
///but it is better than no medication
 
2014-06-06 03:17:51 PM  

monkey_licker: As someone with bipolar type 2 who has spent many long nights contemplating shuffling off this mortal coil, I can tell you that it is being alone with your pain in the silence of the night when everything seems a bit surreal that leads to those successful and attempted suicides. Sometimes a handful of clonazepam and a few shots of whiskey seems like an easy way to slip away peacefully. Sometimes that knife or boxcutter seems a bit too enticing. Spin this out over a few nights without consistent sleep and you have a recipe for disaster. It becomes a feedback loop when you have a mental illness.

Yeah, the depression sucks, but the hypomanic episodes make up for it :)

/yes I am medicated
//no medication doesn't make it all better
///but it is better than no medication


This is happening to my son's Mother right now.  The only thing that helps her is to fight, fark or cut.

I don't know what to do anymore, as I promised myself we were done farking.
 
2014-06-07 10:33:26 AM  

Buster 49: Which brings to mind the conundrum facing executioners in several states these days.  They can't get the poisons they need to do legal executions. There's a very simple solution to the problem (no pun intended).  Just shoot them up with the same stuff that did Michael Jackson in.

But no... can't do that.  Too simple, not convoluted enough to be legal.  The condemned might just get high for a little bit and ENJOY it before they croak.  Gotta make it as painful as possible so they know they are being punished. The powers that be can enjoy the writhing agony show and sanctimoniously proclaim 'justice has been done'.

Why not just shoot them up with some really good stuff?  Let them go out in a happy way.  Folks might willingly line up to be executed.  Solve the death row overcrowding problem FTW!


If the purpose of the death sentence is not punishment in and of itself (must not be cruel) but simply to permanently remove someone from the planet, they could just put the condemned under general anesthetic and then surgically disable them, even as simple as extracting all of the blood from the body.

I think the problem with that is that it takes away the aspect of the "unknown executioner".
 
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