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(Hot Air)   Wait. You mean I'm going to have to PAY all of those taxes I voted for? No one ever expalined that part to me   (hotair.com ) divider line
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2014-06-05 12:34:46 PM  
"I'm at the breaking point," said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist


Well, there's your problem.
 
2014-06-05 12:40:58 PM  
Sounds like it's about time to diversity the tax base with an income tax.
 
2014-06-05 12:42:33 PM  
We need to start a tax so we can pay taxes for taxpayers.
 
2014-06-05 12:43:27 PM  
Full story's behind a wall, but it sounds like their issue is with their appraisals, not the property tax.
 
2014-06-05 12:45:42 PM  
Lucy... you got some spalinin' to do
 
2014-06-05 12:47:12 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Full story's behind a wall, but it sounds like their issue is with their appraisals, not the property tax.


A good point made in the Hot Air article, perhaps inadvertently, is that the property taxes disproportionately impact older individuals who may own a house but have very limited income from which to pay those high property taxes.
 
2014-06-05 12:48:22 PM  

kronicfeld: Sounds like it's about time to diversity the tax base with an income tax.


It will never happen in Texas.

sigdiamond2000: it sounds like their issue is with their appraisals, not the property tax.


Jacked to cover the tab for all the shiat people want...but don't want to pay for.
 
2014-06-05 12:50:11 PM  
I was pretty happy our 2014 appraisal only went up 3% from last year.. Some of our neighbors got slapped with 10-13%.  This is on top of last year's 5-7% increase.

Granted, the market has heated up considerably, so the appraisal district uses comps for the zip and square footage to determine values, plus some visual inspections here and there to cover any improvements made to the exterior of the house, but by and large, most of the property values in the area never really dropped off that much in Texas during the post 2008 market implosion.

What you're seeing now is a reflection of demand driving up prices, coupled with a (relative) lack of new properties to assess taxes on.

Hopefully things will settle down by 2015 and we'll be back to normal, as far as huge leaps in tax assessments.
 
2014-06-05 12:52:40 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: kronicfeld: Sounds like it's about time to diversity the tax base with an income tax.

It will never happen in Texas.


And your state will continue to be shiatty.

That's on you.
 
2014-06-05 12:53:08 PM  

kronicfeld: sigdiamond2000: Full story's behind a wall, but it sounds like their issue is with their appraisals, not the property tax.

A good point made in the Hot Air article, perhaps inadvertently, is that the property taxes disproportionately impact older individuals who may own a house but have very limited income from which to pay those high property taxes.


This is what Prop13 in California was meant to address; unfortunately, it was written in such a way (deliberately or otherwise) that it also froze business property taxes, which basically shut out competition.
 
2014-06-05 12:53:18 PM  

what_now: Dancin_In_Anson: kronicfeld: Sounds like it's about time to diversity the tax base with an income tax.

It will never happen in Texas.

And your state will continue to be shiatty.

That's on you.


But Illinois is awesome.
 
2014-06-05 12:54:35 PM  
So, assuming that her tax rate has increased in a large part due to her home appreciating in value (which seems likely given the housing market in Austin) and not just due to increased tax rates due to more services, she's likely in a great position to make a lot of money by selling her home and then moving into a more affordable one with a lower tax base.

Does Texas not have a cap on assessed value increases for current owners?   In FL the taxable assessed value can't increase by more than the lesser of the national average CPI increase or 3% per year.
 
2014-06-05 12:55:43 PM  
My property taxes here in Taxachusetts are CONSIDERABLY lower than my brother's property taxes in New Hampshire, and our properties are worth roughly the same amount.

He laughs and laughs about "Taxachusetts" while writing an $8000 check for his property taxes and biatching about his son's school.

I pay about $2600 in property taxes, the city is sending me a form to reduce those because the previous owner rented the property out, and my city has a great school system.
 
2014-06-05 12:56:38 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: sigdiamond2000: it sounds like their issue is with their appraisals, not the property tax.

Jacked to cover the tab for all the shiat people want...but don't want to pay for.


I've never actually been to Austin, but I'm assuming since no one there wants to pay for millage taxes that it's got very little culture, horrible city services, and no parks.
 
2014-06-05 01:02:08 PM  
arewefullyet.com
 
2014-06-05 01:05:28 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: So, assuming that her tax rate has increased in a large part due to her home appreciating in value (which seems likely given the housing market in Austin) and not just due to increased tax rates due to more services, she's likely in a great position to make a lot of money by selling her home and then moving into a more affordable one with a lower tax base.

Does Texas not have a cap on assessed value increases for current owners?   In FL the taxable assessed value can't increase by more than the lesser of the national average CPI increase or 3% per year.


Yes, I think it's around 10%.

/I'm fine with higher taxes, but income tax would be better than property tax.
 
2014-06-05 01:06:15 PM  
"I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can't afford to live here anymore."

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-05 01:09:10 PM  
This article article is not making the point it wants to make.

It just points out that having no income tax just results in higher property taxes.
 
2014-06-05 01:09:59 PM  
CSB:

Letter from county this year:

"Due to careful budget controls we've cut your property tax rate from 0.985% to 0.970% [...] Your appraisal has increased 6.7%"
 
2014-06-05 01:11:15 PM  
Ha ha!  Should have moved to Beaumont!  Nothing ever gets improved there.  Suck it, gentrifier!
 
2014-06-05 01:11:32 PM  
"I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can't afford to live here anymore."

She still subscribes to the chief fallacy that has led to her disappointment:  these things don't necessarily  "make this city better."
 
2014-06-05 01:14:46 PM  

Garet Garrett: "I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can't afford to live here anymore."

She still subscribes to the chief fallacy that has led to her disappointment:  these things don't necessarily  "make this city better."


True. Parks and libraries are overrated.
 
2014-06-05 01:15:23 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: So, assuming that her tax rate has increased in a large part due to her home appreciating in value


Anyone who owns a home is familiar with the myth that the assessed value of a home for tax purposes often has little in common with the home's market value.
 
2014-06-05 01:15:41 PM  

kronicfeld: sigdiamond2000: Full story's behind a wall, but it sounds like their issue is with their appraisals, not the property tax.

A good point made in the Hot Air article, perhaps inadvertently, is that the property taxes disproportionately impact older individuals who may own a house but have very limited income from which to pay those high property taxes.


Inadvertently?  Why would you say that?  The article is a clear call for reforming the property tax system in Texas.
 
2014-06-05 01:16:48 PM  

Garet Garrett: "I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can't afford to live here anymore."

She still subscribes to the chief fallacy that has led to her disappointment:  these things don't necessarily  "make this city better."


With as much as they invest in schools, libraries, and parks, Austin must be a terrible place to live.
 
2014-06-05 01:18:43 PM  
I know the feeling. In California, people always want more shiat but don't you dare suggest more taxes to pay them off.
 
2014-06-05 01:18:49 PM  

Garet Garrett: "I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can't afford to live here anymore."

She still subscribes to the chief fallacy that has led to her disappointment:  these things don't necessarily  "make this city better."


Especially schools.

Ever heard of anyone moving to someplace based on how good the schools are?

I haven't.
 
2014-06-05 01:19:25 PM  
Texas blaming taxes on all the liberals that live there.  Let that sink in.
 
2014-06-05 01:19:25 PM  
New research suggests that if Texas eliminates its  local property tax system, ranked as the 14th most oppressive in the nation, and instead replaces those lost revenues with an adjusted sales tax, then the ensuing flood of capital investment and business activity could ignite the Texas economy for years to come.


Soooo, landowners get tax breaks and renters have to pay more in sales tax? Sounds like ye ole' Republican game plan of sticking it to the poor.
 
2014-06-05 01:19:41 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: So, assuming that her tax rate has increased in a large part due to her home appreciating in value (which seems likely given the housing market in Austin) and not just due to increased tax rates due to more services, she's likely in a great position to make a lot of money by selling her home and then moving into a more affordable one with a lower tax base.

Does Texas not have a cap on assessed value increases for current owners?   In FL the taxable assessed value can't increase by more than the lesser of the national average CPI increase or 3% per year.


there's a section regarding seniors, but I'm feeling too lazy to pull up the state tax rules again.


Either they have way too much house, or they're not filling the paperwork correctly
 
2014-06-05 01:20:46 PM  

Garet Garrett: "I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can't afford to live here anymore."

She still subscribes to the chief fallacy that has led to her disappointment:  these things don't necessarily  "make this city better."


Parks, libraries, and schools that aren't falling down don't make a city better?

What does?
 
2014-06-05 01:20:46 PM  
Sell the Prius and the segway.
 
2014-06-05 01:20:46 PM  

GoodyearPimp: Texas blaming taxes on all the liberals that live there.  Let that sink in.


It's Austin, so for once this isn't bullshiat.
 
2014-06-05 01:21:19 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Ha ha!  Should have moved to Beaumont!  Nothing ever gets improved there.  Suck it, gentrifier!


but then you're in Beaumont, or worse Orange, or even worse, Vidor
 
2014-06-05 01:21:38 PM  
So texas needs to implement an income tax, because their paltry sales tax isn't spreading it enough.  So property taxes are unfairly levied on those that own, and renters get off scott free.  Nice.
 
2014-06-05 01:21:39 PM  

GoodyearPimp: Texas blaming taxes on all the liberals that live there.  Let that sink in.


It's the absolute truth, what part are you not getting here?
 
2014-06-05 01:22:57 PM  

WizardofToast: I know the feeling. In California, people always want more shiat but don't you dare suggest more taxes to pay them off.


That the republicans who usually dont want to pay.
 
2014-06-05 01:24:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Garet Garrett: "I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can't afford to live here anymore."

She still subscribes to the chief fallacy that has led to her disappointment:  these things don't necessarily  "make this city better."

True. Parks and libraries are overrated.


Your omission of light rail is telling.  But seriously, if you price your own residents out of the town, public works are counterproductive.  Would you rather pay $3000 per year and not have access to a park within 1/4 mile, or $6000 per year and have that access?  It's a judgment call, obviously.  Depends on how much you need that other three grand, among (many) other things.  Which makes my point.  More parks is not necessarily better.

And don't get me started on so-called libraries.  Much of the function of today's public libraries could be served with vouchers for movie rentals and internet cafes.  Seriously, what %age of their patrons are borrowing books?  Last time I went to our main public library, I had to go through 3 large rooms filled with movies and computer stations before I got to a single book - and whereas the first 3 rooms were teeming with people, it became a wasteland once I reached the reference desk.  The change in usage has left us with a square peg/round hole situation.
 
2014-06-05 01:25:09 PM  

what_now: My property taxes here in Taxachusetts are CONSIDERABLY lower than my brother's property taxes in New Hampshire, and our properties are worth roughly the same amount.

He laughs and laughs about "Taxachusetts" while writing an $8000 check for his property taxes and biatching about his son's school.

I pay about $2600 in property taxes, the city is sending me a form to reduce those because the previous owner rented the property out, and my city has a great school system.


Nevada, a state without an income tax, has high property taxes as well. Gotta make up the difference somewhere.
 
2014-06-05 01:27:10 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: So texas needs to implement an income tax, because their paltry sales tax isn't spreading it enough.  So property taxes are unfairly levied on those that own, and renters get off scott free.  Nice.


the property owner of the rented property still pays taxes


now if the state doesn't asses say apts as much as it does houses, well that's rick perry's fault probably


I like to blame him for everything
 
2014-06-05 01:27:36 PM  

Moosecakes: New research suggests that if Texas eliminates its  local property tax system, ranked as the 14th most oppressive in the nation, and instead replaces those lost revenues with an adjusted sales tax, then the ensuing flood of capital investment and business activity could ignite the Texas economy for years to come.


Soooo, landowners get tax breaks and renters have to pay more in sales tax? Sounds like ye ole' Republican game plan of sticking it to the poor.


How does a sales tax ignite an economy.
 
2014-06-05 01:27:44 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Jacked to cover the tab for all the shiat people want...but don't want to pay for.


Or is it possibly because the tax base isn't very large due to...uh..oh wait here it is, Texas has no state income tax.

I'm betting it's the other thing, though. You're never wrong.
 
2014-06-05 01:28:03 PM  

WizardofToast: I know the feeling. In California, people always want more shiat but don't you dare suggest more taxes to pay them off.


Nevada's the same way. It's no wonder the public schools in Vegas are horrible, they never vote in bonds to fund them.
 
2014-06-05 01:28:37 PM  

R.A.Danny: GoodyearPimp: Texas blaming taxes on all the liberals that live there.  Let that sink in.

It's the absolute truth, what part are you not getting here?


If only there were some other way for the state to raise revenue, raising taxes on corporations for example....
 
2014-06-05 01:29:03 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Garet Garrett: "I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can't afford to live here anymore."

She still subscribes to the chief fallacy that has led to her disappointment:  these things don't necessarily  "make this city better."

Especially schools.

Ever heard of anyone moving to someplace based on how good the schools are?

I haven't.


It seems half the people selling houses in DC are parents of 3 year old kids who struck out on the school lottery and are selling up pronto to move to Fairfax, VA.
 
2014-06-05 01:29:24 PM  
With all those liberals and taxes, Austin must really be struggling.
 
2014-06-05 01:30:28 PM  

Craptastic: Garet Garrett: "I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can't afford to live here anymore."

She still subscribes to the chief fallacy that has led to her disappointment:  these things don't necessarily  "make this city better."

Parks, libraries, and schools that aren't falling down don't make a city better?

What does?


All I suggested is that there is a limiting principle to your (understandable) perspective.  A park might be a fine addition to a city.  A second one?  Maybe.  A third?  Diminishing utility.

Same thing with schools.  Having new facilities are nice, but at what cost?  Around here, you can't build even a small elementary school for under about $10 million, and a good high school will run multiples of that.  It's not always the right choice (it is sometimes, but not always) to build a new school.  In the abstract, they might be "improvements," but for good or ill, life is not abstract.  Checks have to clear.

Thus my use of the word "necessarily."
 
2014-06-05 01:31:42 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Full story's behind a wall, but it sounds like their issue is with their appraisals, not the property tax.


Well, apparently Texas does have crazy high property taxes too. Because freedom, or something.
 
2014-06-05 01:32:18 PM  

GoldSpider: TuteTibiImperes: So, assuming that her tax rate has increased in a large part due to her home appreciating in value

Anyone who owns a home is familiar with the myth that the assessed value of a home for tax purposes often has little in common with the home's market value.


True, and perhaps my situation is an anomoly as the assessed value for purposes of taxes is about half of what the real value is.  Then again, I bought near the bottom of the market and the caps on assessed value increases have kept it low.  Those people who bought in 2006 are likely in less pleasant positions.
 
2014-06-05 01:32:43 PM  

Garet Garrett: All I suggested is that there is a limiting principle to your (understandable) perspective.  A park might be a fine addition to a city.  A second one?  Maybe.  A third?  Diminishing utility.


That doesn't necessarily follow. What size is the city? How many parks are there currently? What is the land use like?
 
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