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(USA Today)   On the anniversary of Snowden leak, 4 things that changed since then: 2013 became 2014, Kim and Kanye got married, American Idol has a new winner and of course, everyone got TotalFark for a day   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2014-06-05 01:53:12 PM  
Taco Bell gave us Cool Ranch tacos
 
2014-06-05 02:01:09 PM  
Snowden has a cool new country and a spiffy job where he's under surveillance 24/7.
 
2014-06-05 02:22:27 PM  

James!: Snowden has a cool new country and a spiffy job where he's under surveillance 24/7.


I wonder if the FSB will leak a video of him masturbating in his quarters
 
2014-06-05 02:33:18 PM  

cman: James!: Snowden has a cool new country and a spiffy job where he's under surveillance 24/7.

I wonder if the FSB will leak a video of him masturbating in his quarters


Only if he doesn't show up to the interviews they've scheduled for him.
 
2014-06-05 02:44:08 PM  
If anyone actually thought anything was going to chance please raise your hand so I can laugh at you.
 
2014-06-05 02:44:23 PM  
Habemus Papa!
 
2014-06-05 02:46:03 PM  
I voted for Obama to put a stop to this. But it's just an
 
2014-06-05 02:46:49 PM  
Another two term liar.
 
2014-06-05 02:47:07 PM  

duffblue: I voted for Obama to put a stop to this. But it's just an


No you didn't.
 
2014-06-05 02:48:04 PM  
"That's... about... it..."
 
2014-06-05 02:48:42 PM  

Chris Ween: Taco Bell gave us Cool Ranch tacos


And the sonoran squirts.
Felt like a cactus was in there for a while.
 
2014-06-05 02:50:27 PM  
vudukungfu: And the sonoran squirts.
Felt like a cactus was in there for a while.


motherfarker!  i just lost a  mouthful of mountain dew.
 
2014-06-05 02:51:18 PM  

James!: duffblue: I voted for Obama to put a stop to this. But it's just an

No you didn't.


I didn't?
 
2014-06-05 02:51:27 PM  
I SO remember that day.  I thought I was someone special because someone gifted me a TF.  Then I found out everyone got one.

On the upside, I DID get my first greenlight that day!!!
 
2014-06-05 02:53:19 PM  

durbnpoisn: I SO remember that day.  I thought I was someone special because someone gifted me a TF.  Then I found out everyone got one.

On the upside, I DID get my first greenlight that day!!!


10 years to get a greenlight must be a new record

/Dont feel bad, took me five years to get my first greenie
 
2014-06-05 02:53:34 PM  
This is  the everyone knew everything/nothing changed so it was pointless for Snowden to leak information, to be followed by the Snowden is a traitor thread because he let people know the NSA spies on foreign governments.  Derp on apologists
 
2014-06-05 02:55:15 PM  

cman: durbnpoisn: I SO remember that day.  I thought I was someone special because someone gifted me a TF.  Then I found out everyone got one.

On the upside, I DID get my first greenlight that day!!!

10 years to get a greenlight must be a new record

/Dont feel bad, took me five years to get my first greenie


You need to submit more stuff.  I get about one greenlight for every 50 submissions.
 
2014-06-05 02:55:41 PM  

duffblue: I voted for Obama to put a stop to this. But it's just an


Red Herring?

See James!  It was a joke.  Why can't you libby libs joke?
 
2014-06-05 02:56:21 PM  
Useless change trumpets its worth and claims to be the immediate end-all be-all for social ills.

Useful change is incremental, and the results are rarely noticed until decades later.
 
2014-06-05 02:56:33 PM  
...and everyone got TotalFark for a day.

Yeah, and it still burns when I pee.

/I remember the view I had of Fark.com that terrible day
 
2014-06-05 02:57:12 PM  

cman: durbnpoisn: I SO remember that day.  I thought I was someone special because someone gifted me a TF.  Then I found out everyone got one.

On the upside, I DID get my first greenlight that day!!!

10 years to get a greenlight must be a new record

/Dont feel bad, took me five years to get my first greenie


Heh...  Yeah.
Although, it must be said, I really hadn't tried very hard.  A clean 8/10 times I tried, the article was already submitted.

It really amazes me how fast things move around here.  If you intend to be the first to link a story, you literally have like a 5 minute window.  Either that, or have an obscure source and a funny headline.
 
2014-06-05 03:00:22 PM  

Headso: This is  the everyone knew everything/nothing changed so it was pointless for Snowden to leak information, to be followed by the Snowden is a traitor thread because he let people know the NSA spies on foreign governments.  Derp on apologists


Please explain how criticizing Snowden is apologizing for the NSA. Is it not possible for both parties to be wrong?
 
2014-06-05 03:00:23 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: cman: durbnpoisn: I SO remember that day.  I thought I was someone special because someone gifted me a TF.  Then I found out everyone got one.

On the upside, I DID get my first greenlight that day!!!

10 years to get a greenlight must be a new record

/Dont feel bad, took me five years to get my first greenie

You need to submit more stuff.  I get about one greenlight for every 50 submissions.


Also early in the morning. And on Monday mornings. And stick a $5 bill in there for good luck.
 
2014-06-05 03:01:36 PM  
Just like everyone thought... met the new boss... same as the old boss.
 
2014-06-05 03:02:00 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: You need to submit more stuff. I get about one greenlight for every 50 submissions.


I'm sure that this is true.  But here's the thing...  I tend to come to Fark to find news, and participate in the discussions.  I rarely find myself scouring news sources myself to find something interesting.  Most times when I've done a submission, I hear of something cool, go and find a good news source for it, and then submit it.

I wonder how many submissions here are done by people who are actively looking specifically for something to post here.
 
2014-06-05 03:03:07 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Headso: This is  the everyone knew everything/nothing changed so it was pointless for Snowden to leak information, to be followed by the Snowden is a traitor thread because he let people know the NSA spies on foreign governments.  Derp on apologists

Please explain how criticizing Snowden is apologizing for the NSA. Is it not possible for both parties to be wrong?


Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?
 
2014-06-05 03:05:04 PM  
Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?


Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?
 
2014-06-05 03:05:55 PM  

Chris Ween: duffblue: I voted for Obama to put a stop to this. But it's just an

Red Herring?


Communisim's just a red herring
 
2014-06-05 03:08:48 PM  

jedikinkoid: Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?

Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?


He should've been a lot more smart about it.  By releasing all the documents about our non-domestic spying to sources in abroad and then fleeing in a haphazard manner makes him appear to be more of an idiot than a whistle blower.
 
2014-06-05 03:09:02 PM  

durbnpoisn: Smeggy Smurf: You need to submit more stuff. I get about one greenlight for every 50 submissions.

I'm sure that this is true.  But here's the thing...  I tend to come to Fark to find news, and participate in the discussions.  I rarely find myself scouring news sources myself to find something interesting.  Most times when I've done a submission, I hear of something cool, go and find a good news source for it, and then submit it.

I wonder how many submissions here are done by people who are actively looking specifically for something to post here.


As Subby of this thread, I call tell you what I do/did. I read my RSS news feed regularly. If I find anything interesting that I didn't read on FARK, I post it. I got 50% success rate this year (2 out of 4), my personal best.
 
2014-06-05 03:09:14 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: cman: durbnpoisn: I SO remember that day.  I thought I was someone special because someone gifted me a TF.  Then I found out everyone got one.

On the upside, I DID get my first greenlight that day!!!

10 years to get a greenlight must be a new record

/Dont feel bad, took me five years to get my first greenie

You need to submit more stuff.  I get about one greenlight for every 50 submissions.


1/50?

I get about 1/10
 
2014-06-05 03:10:04 PM  
Not today? Don't care
 
2014-06-05 03:10:47 PM  
I didn't a

jim90291: jedikinkoid: Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?

Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?

He should've been a lot more smart about it.  By releasing all the documents about our non-domestic spying to sources in abroad and then fleeing in a haphazard manner makes him appear to be more of an idiot than a whistle blower.


With all due respect, I didn't ask what you think he shouldn't have done. I asked what he should have done.

Or to be more precise, "By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a 'traitor'?"
 
2014-06-05 03:13:35 PM  

jedikinkoid: Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?

Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?


He could have just spoke about the NSA spying on Americans in America (which is not what the NSA is supposed to be doing) and not talked about the NSA spying on non-Americans, because that part is the NSA's job.

Everybody knows the NSA spies on foreign governments because all governments do it to gain diplomatic advantages. However, when it is revealed it gives foreign diplomats additional advantages against us. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a traitor, but it is certainly not in the best interests of our foreign affairs.
 
2014-06-05 03:15:21 PM  

cgraves67: jedikinkoid: Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?

Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?

He could have just spoke about the NSA spying on Americans in America (which is not what the NSA is supposed to be doing) and not talked about the NSA spying on non-Americans, because that part is the NSA's job.


Fair enough, but who do you think would have listened if he had just spoken without producing evidence?
 
2014-06-05 03:17:30 PM  

jedikinkoid: cgraves67: jedikinkoid: Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?

Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?

He could have just spoke about the NSA spying on Americans in America (which is not what the NSA is supposed to be doing) and not talked about the NSA spying on non-Americans, because that part is the NSA's job.

Fair enough, but who do you think would have listened if he had just spoken without producing evidence?


Fox News probably. But again, he could have shared evidence about the domestic spying without revealing the foreign spying.
 
2014-06-05 03:17:49 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Headso: This is  the everyone knew everything/nothing changed so it was pointless for Snowden to leak information, to be followed by the Snowden is a traitor thread because he let people know the NSA spies on foreign governments.  Derp on apologists

Please explain how criticizing Snowden is apologizing for the NSA. Is it not possible for both parties to be wrong?


I think most of the criticizing of Snowden and the Monday morning quarterbacking of his actions are based in some pavlovian response to defending the Obama admin. You can believe that isn't the case, but IMO he would have a different public image if Romney was the president when all this came out.
 
2014-06-05 03:21:55 PM  

jedikinkoid: cgraves67: jedikinkoid: Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?

Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?

He could have just spoke about the NSA spying on Americans in America (which is not what the NSA is supposed to be doing) and not talked about the NSA spying on non-Americans, because that part is the NSA's job.

Fair enough, but who do you think would have listened if he had just spoken without producing evidence?


Nobody, that's for sure. I guess what he is talking about is producing only those evidences that points to domestic spying and not foreign ones. I have no idea if that would have been possible or not. But given how he messed up his plan about where to live and what to do afterward, its might be just that he didn't think about it too much. His only goal was to get as much as he can and publish them. Either way, did he betray the US government? Sure. Did he betray his fellow countrymen? I don't think so.
 
2014-06-05 03:22:05 PM  

cgraves67: jedikinkoid: cgraves67: jedikinkoid: Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?

Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?

He could have just spoke about the NSA spying on Americans in America (which is not what the NSA is supposed to be doing) and not talked about the NSA spying on non-Americans, because that part is the NSA's job.

Fair enough, but who do you think would have listened if he had just spoken without producing evidence?

Fox News probably. But again, he could have shared evidence about the domestic spying without revealing the foreign spying.


Trouble is, a lot of the evidence fell in the boundary of "How do we pretend we're really spying on foreigners and accidentally caught some Americans in the net?"

Not to mention, what implicit right do we have to spy on foreigners for any reason we feel like? Much of what he revealed was done in the interest of capital gain or even less honorable reasons.
 
2014-06-05 03:22:52 PM  
Clapper committed perjury and nothing happened to him.
 
2014-06-05 03:24:08 PM  

jedikinkoid: Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?

Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?


I know Snowden claims to have contacted his superiors at the NSA multiple times but the NSA was only able to find one email and it wasn't even that damning. If Snowden  really had sent a bunch of emails then he should have kept copies as proof (hell, he was able to sneak out tons of other classified stuff with no problem). If they still didn't do anything he could have gone to the Department of Defense OIG (DOD is the parent agency of the NSA) with his concerns. A lot of inspector generals are hard-nosed, no-nonsense SOBs who just love to stir things up. If that still didn't work he could then go public. Instead he went from 0 - 60 in no time flat.
 
2014-06-05 03:24:55 PM  
Yes, screw that book-reading, hipster Bergdahl guy!

Wait..? Who are we supposed to be hating on now?  I lost my playbook.
 
2014-06-05 03:27:51 PM  

Slypork: I know Snowden claims to have contacted his superiors at the NSA multiple times but the NSA was only able to find one email and it wasn't even that damning. If Snowden  really had sent a bunch of emails then he should have kept copies as proof (hell, he was able to sneak out tons of other classified stuff with no problem). If they still didn't do anything he could have gone to the Department of Defense OIG (DOD is the parent agency of the NSA) with his concerns. A lot of inspector generals are hard-nosed, no-nonsense SOBs who just love to stir things up. If that still didn't work he could then go public. Instead he went from 0 - 60 in no time flat.


I try to believe the best of my fellow man (at least inasmuch as one can, living in the Kardashian era)... but I have serious doubts that he wouldn't have gotten a knock on the door with a search warrant (at best) long before he went public if he had tried this course of action.
 
2014-06-05 03:34:36 PM  
Don't forget the launch of WTFark with zero ability to comment on how awful it is.
 
2014-06-05 03:36:23 PM  

jedikinkoid: cgraves67: jedikinkoid: cgraves67: jedikinkoid: Thank you, I wonder why people have to be so far on each side of the issue.  The main reason why politics suck -- if I am angry at the NSA for spying on us, then I'm for Snowden, but if I call him a traitor (because I think he is), then I'm for the NSA.

Why can't it be both?

Question: By what means do you think he could have meaningfully exposed what the NSA has been doing without being a "traitor"?

He could have just spoke about the NSA spying on Americans in America (which is not what the NSA is supposed to be doing) and not talked about the NSA spying on non-Americans, because that part is the NSA's job.

Fair enough, but who do you think would have listened if he had just spoken without producing evidence?

Fox News probably. But again, he could have shared evidence about the domestic spying without revealing the foreign spying.

Trouble is, a lot of the evidence fell in the boundary of "How do we pretend we're really spying on foreigners and accidentally caught some Americans in the net?"

Not to mention, what implicit right do we have to spy on foreigners for any reason we feel like? Much of what he revealed was done in the interest of capital gain or even less honorable reasons.


There is no implicit right to spy on other countries, which is why it has a negative effect on foreign relations when it is revealed. However, all nations engage in one form of espionage or another and it is in our best interest to play the spy game while pretending that the game doesn't exist. If we catch someone spying on us, we can pretend to be outraged as well.

I'm not sure what your last sentence means. Do you mean that he revealed it for personal gain or out of spite, or do you mean that the information he revealed was collected for economic reasons or out of paranoia?
 
2014-06-05 03:39:29 PM  
When the news came out I wasn't shocked.  I had assumed all this had been going on since we first signed the patriot act.  Wikleaks coming on the scene was a much more important event.

I think it's amazing how much data we are collecting.  I hear someone (i forget who) on NPR describe our intelligence gathering as "creating stacks of needles".
 
2014-06-05 03:39:53 PM  

Headso: Wendy's Chili: Headso: This is  the everyone knew everything/nothing changed so it was pointless for Snowden to leak information, to be followed by the Snowden is a traitor thread because he let people know the NSA spies on foreign governments.  Derp on apologists

Please explain how criticizing Snowden is apologizing for the NSA. Is it not possible for both parties to be wrong?

I think most of the criticizing of Snowden and the Monday morning quarterbacking of his actions are based in some pavlovian response to defending the Obama admin. You can believe that isn't the case, but IMO he would have a different public image if Romney was the president when all this came out.


You bet your ass he would. People would be sending threats to his hometown, Fox News would label his father a terrorist, and the Wall Street Journal would be running interviews with everyone he ever cut off in traffic.
 
2014-06-05 03:41:24 PM  
 
2014-06-05 03:41:34 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-05 03:45:12 PM  

js34603: If anyone actually thought anything was going to chance please raise your hand so I can laugh at you.


Is this the best you can do? A sad variation on BSABSVR?

'Nothin ever gonna change so sit down, shut up, and deride anyone who even tries!'

Awesome philosophy. Powerless, apathetic nihilism. And yeah, I know most attempts at changing bullshiat are going to be futile, but to shiat on those that do? Why?
 
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