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2014-06-05 12:37:02 PM
Lawmakers said Obama ignored a provision in the 2014 defense authorization bill that requires the president to give Congress 30 days' notice before moving any detainees from Guantanamo Bay.

But Obama gave himself a legal loophole when he signed the bill in December. In what's known as a signing statement, he said he would exercise authority as commander in chief, if necessary, "to act swiftly in conducting negotiations with foreign countries regarding the circumstances of detainee transfers."


Yes because a president has never abused signing statements before.

Feinstein said the White House failed to anticipate that bypassing Congress would provoke anger on both sides of the aisle. The discovery that the five Afghans were top-ranking Taliban commanders has fueled concerns that the trade may endanger U.S. security.

Well maybe the US government should have just shot them dead on the battlefield or made them POWs and handed them off to the appropriate authorities, or given them a fair trial - oh wait they aren't American citizens.

F*ck this Congress. This is the biggest f*cking bunch of wankers EVER.
 
2014-06-05 01:10:00 PM
F*ck this Congress. This is the biggest f*cking bunch of wankers EVER.

G'day Mate
 
2014-06-05 02:24:27 PM

bdub77: Lawmakers said Obama ignored a provision in the 2014 defense authorization bill that requires the president to give Congress 30 days' notice before moving any detainees from Guantanamo Bay.

But Obama gave himself a legal loophole when he signed the bill in December. In what's known as a signing statement, he said he would exercise authority as commander in chief, if necessary, "to act swiftly in conducting negotiations with foreign countries regarding the circumstances of detainee transfers."

Yes because a president has never abused signing statements before.

Feinstein said the White House failed to anticipate that bypassing Congress would provoke anger on both sides of the aisle. The discovery that the five Afghans were top-ranking Taliban commanders has fueled concerns that the trade may endanger U.S. security.

Well maybe the US government should have just shot them dead on the battlefield or made them POWs and handed them off to the appropriate authorities, or given them a fair trial - oh wait they aren't American citizens.

F*ck this Congress. This is the biggest f*cking bunch of wankers EVER.


Didnt Candidate Obama rally against signing statements?

/Dear Ubuntu, why does your spell-check dictionary not know that Obama is a word?
 
2014-06-05 02:33:43 PM

cman: /Dear Ubuntu, why does your spell-check dictionary not know that Obama is a word?


Because Debian-branch coders are all f*cking Paultards.
 
2014-06-05 02:55:34 PM
Congress has taken every opportunity in the last decade to abdicate its authority to reign in the power of the President when it comes to endless overseas conflicts. Congress can go f*ck itself on this one.

Also, much like Benghazi, this issue is a pretty good barometer for whether or not you're a dittohead shiatbag. I fully expect the 301st Fighting Keyboard Brigade to be in here demonstrating that point, with firsthand battlefield accounts of why this guy is the evillest Taliban to ever Tali a ban.
 
2014-06-05 03:00:35 PM
If a Republican were president then Bergdahl would be a saint already.
 
2014-06-05 03:54:45 PM
I never thought I'd see conservatives get irate over the Commander in Chief bringing home a POW, but here we are.
 
2014-06-05 04:05:00 PM

cman: bdub77: Lawmakers said Obama ignored a provision in the 2014 defense authorization bill that requires the president to give Congress 30 days' notice before moving any detainees from Guantanamo Bay.

But Obama gave himself a legal loophole when he signed the bill in December. In what's known as a signing statement, he said he would exercise authority as commander in chief, if necessary, "to act swiftly in conducting negotiations with foreign countries regarding the circumstances of detainee transfers."

Yes because a president has never abused signing statements before.

Feinstein said the White House failed to anticipate that bypassing Congress would provoke anger on both sides of the aisle. The discovery that the five Afghans were top-ranking Taliban commanders has fueled concerns that the trade may endanger U.S. security.

Well maybe the US government should have just shot them dead on the battlefield or made them POWs and handed them off to the appropriate authorities, or given them a fair trial - oh wait they aren't American citizens.

F*ck this Congress. This is the biggest f*cking bunch of wankers EVER.

Didnt Candidate Obama rally against signing statements?

/Dear Ubuntu, why does your spell-check dictionary not know that Obama is a word?


Candidate Obama was also against keeping people that would never see a court trial in Guantanamo Bay.

Notifying Congressional committees of detainee transfer is what, now akin to needing a hall pass to do anything? OMG they failed to send us a Post-it note, let's impeach the president.

This whole matter is completely overblown. Maybe while we're at it we can get all up in Saint Reagan's zombie nuts about the hostage negotiations made with the Iranians.

Congress should stop all this blustering and do its job for Americans, which is to draft laws that fulfill its obligations to its citizenry and not the corporations that feed it campaign contributions. It has failed to do that for more than 3 years now. Maybe it's time for a revolt.
 
2014-06-05 04:19:41 PM
You mean a president tends to give press conferences when something good happens?

TELL ME MORE.
 
2014-06-05 04:20:42 PM
Your daily GOP poutrage.
 
2014-06-05 04:22:23 PM
So. Who's the Ollie North in all of this?
 
2014-06-05 04:22:43 PM

bdub77: cman: bdub77: Lawmakers said Obama ignored a provision in the 2014 defense authorization bill that requires the president to give Congress 30 days' notice before moving any detainees from Guantanamo Bay.

But Obama gave himself a legal loophole when he signed the bill in December. In what's known as a signing statement, he said he would exercise authority as commander in chief, if necessary, "to act swiftly in conducting negotiations with foreign countries regarding the circumstances of detainee transfers."

Yes because a president has never abused signing statements before.

Feinstein said the White House failed to anticipate that bypassing Congress would provoke anger on both sides of the aisle. The discovery that the five Afghans were top-ranking Taliban commanders has fueled concerns that the trade may endanger U.S. security.

Well maybe the US government should have just shot them dead on the battlefield or made them POWs and handed them off to the appropriate authorities, or given them a fair trial - oh wait they aren't American citizens.

F*ck this Congress. This is the biggest f*cking bunch of wankers EVER.

Didnt Candidate Obama rally against signing statements?

/Dear Ubuntu, why does your spell-check dictionary not know that Obama is a word?

Candidate Obama was also against keeping people that would never see a court trial in Guantanamo Bay.

Notifying Congressional committees of detainee transfer is what, now akin to needing a hall pass to do anything? OMG they failed to send us a Post-it note, let's impeach the president.

This whole matter is completely overblown. Maybe while we're at it we can get all up in Saint Reagan's zombie nuts about the hostage negotiations made with the Iranians.

Congress should stop all this blustering and do its job for Americans, which is to draft laws that fulfill its obligations to its citizenry and not the corporations that feed it campaign contributions. It has failed to do that for more than 3 years now. Maybe it's t ...


My guess is they're upset because they didn't get 30 days to meddle with, hamstring, or otherwise sabotage the negotiations. I can't think of any other reason for Congress require that they be informed 30 days in advance.
 
2014-06-05 04:22:54 PM

lilbjorn: Your daily GOP poutrage.


I read that as "GOP poutine"
 
2014-06-05 04:24:19 PM

img.4plebs.org


"IS BERGDAHZI A SCANDAL YET?"

 
2014-06-05 04:26:12 PM

Katolu: So. Who's the Ollie North in all of this?


I think it's actually still Ollie North, seeing as he felt the need to belch his jackass two cents all over Fox News.
 
2014-06-05 04:28:03 PM

vernonFL: I never thought I'd see conservatives get irate over the Commander in Chief bringing home a POW, but here we are.


Let me know when Obama does a White House photo op with Bergdahl welcoming him home while pinning a POW/MIA medal on him.

Some of those irate "conservatives' include those he served with, veterans and fomer POWs and Democrats.
 
2014-06-05 04:29:30 PM

Katolu: So. Who's the Ollie North in all of this?


Who's going to be the Bill Casey, so we can add to the Obama Death List?

/most convenient death evar!!!!
 
2014-06-05 04:29:56 PM

hasty ambush: vernonFL: I never thought I'd see conservatives get irate over the Commander in Chief bringing home a POW, but here we are.

Let me know when Obama does a White House photo op with Bergdahl welcoming him home while pinning a POW/MIA medal on him.

Some of those irate "conservatives' include those he served with, veterans and fomer POWs and Democrats.


Is this the part of the thread where we pretend that conservatives aren't driving this entire reprehensible narrative?
 
2014-06-05 04:34:32 PM
He found out Bergdahl's health was failing from a news report?
 
2014-06-05 04:35:16 PM

qorkfiend: My guess is they're upset because they didn't get 30 days to meddle with, hamstring, or otherwise sabotage the negotiations. I can't think of any other reason for Congress require that they be informed 30 days in advance.


It's an incredibly stupid requirement, and anybody who gives it even a moment's thought can figure out why. Unless the administration's full of time-travelers who know what's going to happen in the future, they themselves aren't going to know in advance when exactly the opportunity to execute this kind of swap will arise and what the exact deal will be.

The only other way to make it work would be that, when an opportunity does arise and a deal is worked out, that the military should put it on hold for (at least) a month while Congress is notified (what exactly such a notification would accomplish is still unclear), with the effect being that the Taliban now have a whole extra month to consider changing the terms of the deal, or calling it off altogether.

The one bright side to all this is that Congress likely knows that what they were asking for wasn't reasonable, so they're unlikely to actually mount any sort of legal challenge and will instead be content with just passively whining about how much of a tyrant Obama is (kind of like what happened with the Libya/NATO thing).
 
2014-06-05 04:35:59 PM

bdub77: Candidate Obama was also against keeping people that would never see a court trial in Guantanamo Bay.

Notifying Congressional committees of detainee transfer is what, now akin to needing a hall pass to do anything? OMG they failed to send us a Post-it note, let's impeach the president.

This whole matter is completely overblown. Maybe while we're at it we can get all up in Saint Reagan's zombie nuts about the hostage negotiations made with the Iranians.

Congress should stop all this blustering and do its job for Americans, which is to draft laws that fulfill its obligations to its citizenry and not the corporations that feed it campaign contributions. It has failed to do that for more than 3 years now. Maybe it's time for a revolt.


Excellent post, beginning to end. I just wanted to say that my favorite part was "Reagan's zombie nuts."
 
2014-06-05 04:36:49 PM

cman: Didnt Candidate Obama rally against signing statements?


Probably why Bush had nearly 200 and Obama is at about 30.
 
2014-06-05 04:37:13 PM

vernonFL: I never thought I'd see conservatives get irate over the Commander in Chief bringing home a POW, but here we are.


It's because questioning the President in time of war is only a bad thing if the President is white.
 
2014-06-05 04:37:20 PM
Incidentally, I DNRTFA, but the headline is stupid. That isn't even close to what "blowback" means.
 
2014-06-05 04:37:43 PM

Biological Ali: qorkfiend: My guess is they're upset because they didn't get 30 days to meddle with, hamstring, or otherwise sabotage the negotiations. I can't think of any other reason for Congress require that they be informed 30 days in advance.

It's an incredibly stupid requirement, and anybody who gives it even a moment's thought can figure out why. Unless the administration's full of time-travelers who know what's going to happen in the future, they themselves aren't going to know in advance when exactly the opportunity to execute this kind of swap will arise and what the exact deal will be.

The only other way to make it work would be that, when an opportunity does arise and a deal is worked out, that the military should put it on hold for (at least) a month while Congress is notified (what exactly such a notification would accomplish is still unclear), with the effect being that the Taliban now have a whole extra month to consider changing the terms of the deal, or calling it off altogether.

The one bright side to all this is that Congress likely knows that what they were asking for wasn't reasonable, so they're unlikely to actually mount any sort of legal challenge and will instead be content with just passively whining about how much of a tyrant Obama is (kind of like what happened with the Libya/NATO thing).


Somebody in the other thread linked to a Yahoo report that the reason it had to be secret is because they would've killed him if it were made public before it happened.
 
2014-06-05 04:38:25 PM
Hey, Congressional Republicans! Now's your chance! Impeach! Impeach!

Do it, you farkers! Do it! There will never be a better opportunity! Obama is clearly lawless, circumventing Congress! Do it, you farking sheep pimps! Do it!
 
2014-06-05 04:39:35 PM

vernonFL: I never thought I'd see conservatives get irate over the Commander in Chief bringing home a POW, but here we are.


After the way Conservatives reacted after Obama made the Bin Laden announcement, I realized there is no depths these miserable pieces of rat fark won't sink to.

They went from telling Obama not to "spike the football", to just flat-out being mad about it.  Hell, old man McCain slammed Obama for "invading Pakistan's sovereign space" and quite a few of thei GOP's FARK armchair commandos all but said the SEALS acted unilaterally.

It was disgusting.
 
2014-06-05 04:40:37 PM

hasty ambush: vernonFL: I never thought I'd see conservatives get irate over the Commander in Chief bringing home a POW, but here we are.

Let me know when Obama does a White House photo op with Bergdahl welcoming him home while pinning a POW/MIA medal on him.

Some of those irate "conservatives' include those he served with, veterans and fomer POWs and Democrats.


We're supposed to care?
 
2014-06-05 04:42:23 PM
Is the bastard we currently call our Presbo still in the news?
 
2014-06-05 04:43:31 PM
Congress is busy being furious? Well, at least it's doing something. Being furious seems to be the first thing it's done in a long long time. I wonder how long it will last before they get tired out and go back to doing nothing. Doing something must take a lot of energy after such a long time of doing nothing. Half of congress is probably already napping after such an exhausting day.
 
2014-06-05 04:44:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: vernonFL: I never thought I'd see conservatives get irate over the Commander in Chief bringing home a POW, but here we are.

It's because questioning the President in time of war is only a bad thing if the President is white.


...and Republican.

When the history of the 21st Century is written, Obama will be remembered as a far more effective and intelligent leader than GWB.
Deep down, Republicans know this, and it tears them apart inside.
I feel sorry for them.
 
2014-06-05 04:44:23 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Somebody in the other thread linked to a Yahoo report that the reason it had to be secret is because they would've killed him if it were made public before it happened.


Well, I was assuming that Congress would have allowed the notification to be done behind closed doors and not made public right away. Though it's true that the Taliban are known for being extremely violent and extremely paranoid, so who knows how they might have reacted to an unexplained delay like that.

But my point is that even under the most benign circumstances, in which you're completely sure that they won't hurt the captive, it's still stupid to just arbitrarily lengthen the time of the dealmaking process like this.
 
2014-06-05 04:45:41 PM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Is the bastard we currently call our Presbo still in the news?


Considering that no one has any idea to whom you are referring, no.
 
2014-06-05 04:45:59 PM

cman: bdub77: Lawmakers said Obama ignored a provision in the 2014 defense authorization bill that requires the president to give Congress 30 days' notice before moving any detainees from Guantanamo Bay.

But Obama gave himself a legal loophole when he signed the bill in December. In what's known as a signing statement, he said he would exercise authority as commander in chief, if necessary, "to act swiftly in conducting negotiations with foreign countries regarding the circumstances of detainee transfers."

Yes because a president has never abused signing statements before.

Feinstein said the White House failed to anticipate that bypassing Congress would provoke anger on both sides of the aisle. The discovery that the five Afghans were top-ranking Taliban commanders has fueled concerns that the trade may endanger U.S. security.

Well maybe the US government should have just shot them dead on the battlefield or made them POWs and handed them off to the appropriate authorities, or given them a fair trial - oh wait they aren't American citizens.

F*ck this Congress. This is the biggest f*cking bunch of wankers EVER.

Didnt Candidate Obama rally against signing statements?

/Dear Ubuntu, why does your spell-check dictionary not know that Obama is a word?


Bush used a signing statement on damn near every piece of legislation he signed.  If he got a bill renaming a post office he would add a signing statement that the executive was not bound by the name change and could call it the Jesus ♥ Reagsn center for mail sorting if it so chose.

Obama has used a handful of signing statements and only when he felt that the legislation encroached on the executive's rightful constitutional authority.
 
2014-06-05 04:47:46 PM

Biological Ali: Well, I was assuming that Congress would have allowed the notification to be done behind closed doors and not made public right away.


You have a great deal more faith in Congress than I do.
 
2014-06-05 04:49:51 PM

qorkfiend: Biological Ali: Well, I was assuming that Congress would have allowed the notification to be done behind closed doors and not made public right away.

You have a great deal more faith in Congress than I do.


This.  If any Republican congresscritters thought they could make Obama look bad by sabotaging the operation and getting a POW killed, I'm sure they would have done it.
 
2014-06-05 04:49:52 PM

lilbjorn: Your daily incessant, constant and non-sensical GOP poutrage.


FTFY
 
2014-06-05 04:51:11 PM
Where's John Yoo and David Addington when you need them? They could brew a secret memo allowing Obama to blow the entire eastern hemisphere of the Earth off without Congress' permission or notification.

Oh wait. Fartbongo is a Democrat. And black. And a Secret Muslin. Nevermind.
 
2014-06-05 04:52:21 PM

Zerochance: vernonFL: I never thought I'd see conservatives get irate over the Commander in Chief bringing home a POW, but here we are.

After the way Conservatives reacted after Obama made the Bin Laden announcement, I realized there is no depths these miserable pieces of rat fark won't sink to.

They went from telling Obama not to "spike the football", to just flat-out being mad about it.  Hell, old man McCain slammed Obama for "invading Pakistan's sovereign space" and quite a few of thei GOP's FARK armchair commandos all but said the SEALS acted unilaterally.

It was disgusting.


I googled to see a bit of the reaction. I saw praise from Bush, Cheney, Romney, Palin, Huckabee, Christie and even Michelle Farking Bachmann, among others.

I don't doubt that later there was a return to politics as usual on that issue like everything else but your disgust seems a bit forced.
 
2014-06-05 04:54:22 PM

AspectRatio: When the history of the 21st Century is written, Obama will be remembered as a far more effective and intelligent leader than GWB.
Deep down, Republicans seeking or in elected positions know this, and it tears them apart inside.
I feel sorry for them.


And the Republican voters go on their derpy ways, shouting talking points as if they were true because they exemplify the hatred built up by lack of education.

/I wouldn't be so harsh with my opinion of Republicans and the voting base if they weren't so dumb
 
2014-06-05 04:56:30 PM
I'm not sure which is more distressing: watching Republicans clamor for the rule of law as though the Bush presidency never happened or watching Democrats making Bush's arguments 6 years later. I'm gonna have to call it a tie. Blue ribbons for everybody!! good jorb!
 
2014-06-05 04:56:41 PM

anfrind: qorkfiend: Biological Ali: Well, I was assuming that Congress would have allowed the notification to be done behind closed doors and not made public right away.

You have a great deal more faith in Congress than I do.

This.  If any Republican congresscritters thought they could make Obama look bad by sabotaging the operation and getting a POW killed, I'm sure they would have done it.


And I'm sure you are. But it does not speak well for you, that surety.
 
2014-06-05 04:58:21 PM
Big farking deal.

Dubya Bush and his cabal of evil bastards lied to congress and the whole country for a war over weapons that were not there.
 
2014-06-05 04:58:43 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: I'm not sure which is more distressing: watching Republicans clamor for the rule of law as though the Bush presidency never happened or watching Democrats making Bush's arguments 6 years later. I'm gonna have to call it a tie. Blue ribbons for everybody!! good jorb!


Buh?
 
2014-06-05 04:58:55 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: watching Democrats making Bush's arguments 6 years later


Sorry, which country are we invading and which terrorist's kids nuts is Obama authorized to crush until he gives up intel?
 
2014-06-05 04:59:06 PM
Masterpark is charging customers an additional 99 cents per parking day

Ok I think $15 an hour maybe too high but serious 99cents a day for parking really is not going to freak me out.

A few bucks on a hundred dollar bill is not going to freak me out.
 
2014-06-05 04:59:55 PM

Cletus C.: anfrind: qorkfiend: Biological Ali: Well, I was assuming that Congress would have allowed the notification to be done behind closed doors and not made public right away.

You have a great deal more faith in Congress than I do.

This.  If any Republican congresscritters thought they could make Obama look bad by sabotaging the operation and getting a POW killed, I'm sure they would have done it.

And I'm sure you are. But it does not speak well for you, that surety.


it's his fault that the image republicans cultivate is that they put party politics above the citizens of the country?
 
2014-06-05 05:00:06 PM

hasty ambush: vernonFL: I never thought I'd see conservatives get irate over the Commander in Chief bringing home a POW, but here we are.

Let me know when Obama does a White House photo op with Bergdahl welcoming him home while pinning a POW/MIA medal on him.

Some of those irate "conservatives' include those he served with, veterans and fomer POWs and Democrats.


Doesn't matter. He is an American that was captured by the enemy while serving. Obama HAD to bring him home. No man left begind!
 
2014-06-05 05:00:38 PM

Corvus: Masterpark is charging customers an additional 99 cents per parking day

Ok I think $15 an hour maybe too high but serious 99cents a day for parking really is not going to freak me out.

A few bucks on a hundred dollar bill is not going to freak me out.


As long as you notify Congress before you pay the bill.
 
2014-06-05 05:00:44 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: I'm not sure which is more distressing: watching Republicans clamor for the rule of law as though the Bush presidency never happened or watching Democrats making Bush's arguments 6 years later. I'm gonna have to call it a tie. Blue ribbons for everybody!! good jorb!


So that's what living in an alternate reality would be like. Thanks, What if machine!
 
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