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(Gizmodo)   Microsoft confirms that the Xbox One performs better without Kinect, giving the console a 10% boost in GPU performance   (gizmodo.com) divider line 158
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2014-06-05 10:14:17 AM
Glad I paid that extra $100 for that brick when I got my Xbox One.

Moving next month, I think Kinect will stay in the box.
 
2014-06-05 10:25:25 AM
We have the Kinect already for the 360 that we rarely use. Glad to hear we wouldn't need it for the One. Not that the Kinect sucks, we just don't play the games for it much.
 
2014-06-05 10:39:56 AM
What I am hearing here is that adding hardware increases resource usage. Is that the travesty?
 
2014-06-05 10:45:05 AM

R.A.Danny: What I am hearing here is that adding hardware increases resource usage. Is that the travesty?


I think the travesty is that multi-platform games on the Xbox One have been underperforming compared to the PS4 and this may be due to resources that need to be allocated to Kinect.  Maybe, that's just my guess if it's not 8GB GDDR5 vs. 8GB DDR3 (5GB for games).  I could be talking out of my ass too, another distinct possibility.
 
2014-06-05 10:54:28 AM
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2014-06-05 11:01:45 AM

DanZero: [i1245.photobucket.com image 663x479]


Or you could just buy a PS4, which has better everything for the same price, games, hardware, etc.

The Xbox One won't even have a new Halo game until late next year (H3 was basically the reason for buying the 360). That's just f*cking sad.
 
2014-06-05 11:03:05 AM

WalkingCarpet: Maybe, that's just my guess if it's not 8GB GDDR5 vs. 8GB DDR3 (5GB for games). I could be talking out of my ass too, another distinct possibility.


Whynotboth.jpg
 
2014-06-05 11:07:27 AM

R.A.Danny: What I am hearing here is that adding hardware increases resource usage. Is that the travesty?


I bought a few more printers in hopes that my computer would run faster. It's not working out too well so far. I think I have some more tweaking to do.
 
2014-06-05 12:06:08 PM
And this is why I sit out the next generation for at least a year or two. I'm too old to need the latest console, and I don't play enough to not have a huge backlog I can dive into. Plus they're still making games for this generation. (Can't wait for the next Borderlands.) So I'm happy to let the consoles spend a few years getting good and honed, and I'll pick one up when it's finally ready.

That's why I waited many years to get my PS3, because damn was that console unappealing when it first came out.
 
2014-06-05 01:48:52 PM

R.A.Danny: What I am hearing here is that adding hardware increases resource usage. Is that the travesty?


Yes, but it was mandatory hardware that had to be turned on at all times, even if the game didn't actually use the hardware.  That's what got people upset.  The big story here is that MS has finally decided to let developers turn it off.
 
2014-06-05 01:51:45 PM

bdub77: DanZero: [i1245.photobucket.com image 663x479]

Or you could just buy a PS4, which has better everything for the same price, games, hardware, etc.

The Xbox One won't even have a new Halo game until late next year (H3 was basically the reason for buying the 360). That's just f*cking sad.


I know I could go look, but since you're here and all... is the PS4 backwards compatible to PS3 games?  I gave my PS3 to my nieces a couple of months ago, but still have some games that weren't appropriate for 5-7 year old kids.
 
2014-06-05 01:56:34 PM
After months of ownership, I've discovered that really all the Kinect is good for is voice commands. In it's free time, it likes to sporadically log other accounts in and unintentionally pull up hand gestures that take 4x longer to accomplish anything than using the game pad. Fitness was nice until I grew out of the three Insanity workouts they had on there.
 
2014-06-05 01:58:19 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: R.A.Danny: What I am hearing here is that adding hardware increases resource usage. Is that the travesty?

Yes, but it was mandatory hardware that had to be turned on at all times, even if the game didn't actually use the hardware.  That's what got people upset.  The big story here is that MS has finally decided to let developers turn it off.


It was never "mandatory" hardware that had to be turned on at all times.  I used mine for all of 10 minutes and then put it in a drawer somewhere.  The only thing that has changed is that you are no longer forced to buy it.
 
2014-06-05 01:58:49 PM

timujin: I know I could go look, but since you're here and all... is the PS4 backwards compatible to PS3 games?  I gave my PS3 to my nieces a couple of months ago, but still have some games that weren't appropriate for 5-7 year old kids.


Nope!  You can play older games through an online service Sony offers that will stream the game, but your discs are useless.

It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.

Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.

The games I am most interested in are racing sims, and Gran Turismo has fallen on hard times and Forza got f***ed over with Don Mattrick's nickel and diming.  I have no hope that GT will come back, but with Mattrick out there's hope that Forza will.
 
2014-06-05 02:01:29 PM

Glitchwerks: It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.


You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?

Glitchwerks: Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.


That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets
 
2014-06-05 02:03:28 PM
Uh, no it doesn't Sbby. All MS did was give some GPU cycles that were previously reserved for the Kinect to the developers. You get the same performance with or without the Kinect attached

@majornelson: Dear Media: The GPU change was developer facing.  Unplugging Kinect does not get you more HP.  Devs have to code to the new specs.
 
2014-06-05 02:03:59 PM

gingerjet: That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets


Not for sim fans.

media.pcgamer.com
Say hello to the game that will make Crysis jokes obsolete.
 
2014-06-05 02:10:46 PM

gingerjet: You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?


But the back catalog has more media than any human can consume in a lifetime. I still play 10 year old games on my PC.
 
2014-06-05 02:11:38 PM

gingerjet: Glitchwerks: It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.

You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?

Glitchwerks: Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.

That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets


Are... are... are you serious?

The PC market is dead?
 
2014-06-05 02:12:07 PM

gingerjet: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: R.A.Danny: What I am hearing here is that adding hardware increases resource usage. Is that the travesty?

Yes, but it was mandatory hardware that had to be turned on at all times, even if the game didn't actually use the hardware.  That's what got people upset.  The big story here is that MS has finally decided to let developers turn it off.

It was never "mandatory" hardware that had to be turned on at all times.  I used mine for all of 10 minutes and then put it in a drawer somewhere.  The only thing that has changed is that you are no longer forced to buy it.


IIRC, the original plan was to make it mandatory, people rebelled and IIRC, they got rid of that requirement early in the life of the console.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/12/xbox-one-no-longer-requires-k in ect-to-function
 
2014-06-05 02:12:17 PM

WalkingCarpet: R.A.Danny: What I am hearing here is that adding hardware increases resource usage. Is that the travesty?

I think the travesty is that multi-platform games on the Xbox One have been underperforming compared to the PS4 and this may be due to resources that need to be allocated to Kinect.  Maybe, that's just my guess if it's not 8GB GDDR5 vs. 8GB DDR3 (5GB for games).  I could be talking out of my ass too, another distinct possibility.


Its also a travesty that most multi plat games going forward will be hobbled on PS4, as they will also have to run on a nearly last gen set up too.
 
2014-06-05 02:12:21 PM
gingerjet:

It was never "mandatory" hardware that had to be turned on at all times.  I used mine for all of 10 minutes and then put it in a drawer somewhere.  The only thing that has changed is that you are no longer forced to buy it.

No.  It was mandatory.  You want to develop a game for XBone you have to assume the kinect unit is there and doing it's thing even if your game does not use it.  Now, if you are developing a game for XBone you can shut it off and use those resources for other things.

Which is exactly what it said in the article you clearly failed to comprehend.
 
2014-06-05 02:13:33 PM

Lando Lincoln: I bought a few more printers in hopes that my computer would run faster. It's not working out too well so far. I think I have some more tweaking to do.


Sounds like you need to buy more printers.
 
2014-06-05 02:14:13 PM
It was pretty well-known that a chunk of the XBone's processing power was reserved for processing Kinect input and it's good they're freeing that up for general use now that Kinect is dead.  But the system's eSRAM setup still guarantees that most games will arrive at upscaled 792p resolution.
 
2014-06-05 02:18:34 PM

Shakin_Haitian: gingerjet: Glitchwerks: It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.

You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?

Glitchwerks: Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.

That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets

Are... are... are you serious?

The PC market is dead?


Yes. For real this time!
 
2014-06-05 02:25:18 PM

lemurs: It was pretty well-known that a chunk of the XBone's processing power was reserved for processing Kinect input and it's good they're freeing that up for general use now that Kinect is dead.  But the system's eSRAM setup still guarantees that most games will arrive at upscaled 792p resolution.


Hopefully the DX12 APIs fix that issue, as one of the features was that DX12 handled that memory for the devs. We won't see any benefit though until the end of 2015 for large games, as the game has to be made using DX12 from the beginning
 
2014-06-05 02:26:46 PM
This has been a pretty interesting gen so far.  MS has, in effect, rolled back everything that defined their vision for the xb1 bit by bit.  Now, it's just a weaker ps4 for the same money as a ps4.

Nintendo was limping along, but seems to have a viral hit with mariokart.

Sony is pretty silent on their first party offerings, and having issues with Japanese sales, but selling like hotcakes everywhere else.

Can't wait to see what next week brings us.  Hopefully we get some surprises and details about late summer and fall releases.
 
2014-06-05 02:29:51 PM

Crudbucket: Shakin_Haitian: gingerjet: Glitchwerks: It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.

You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?

Glitchwerks: Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.

That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets

Are... are... are you serious?

The PC market is dead?

Yes. For real this time!


www.cinemablend.com
 
2014-06-05 02:33:27 PM

Antimatter: Sony is pretty silent on their first party offerings, and having issues with Japanese sales, but selling like hotcakes everywhere else.


That's the bit that suprises me.  Last time, Sony's sales were fantastic in Japan, and passable elsewhere, while the 360 was strong in the US/EU and really weak in the asian markets.  Maybe Nintendo's been cleaning up in Japan, but that wouldn't eat up all the same sales, and PC gaming has never really been a thing there.  How's the One been doing on Japanese sales?  If MS has somehow seen a big spike, that might explain Sony's relatively small numbers.
 
2014-06-05 02:34:15 PM

gingerjet: Glitchwerks: It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.

You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?

Glitchwerks: Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.

That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets


Yes, clearly PC gaming is going away.

Again. Forever.
 
2014-06-05 02:37:16 PM

soporific: And this is why I sit out the next generation for at least a year or two. I'm too old to need the latest console, and I don't play enough to not have a huge backlog I can dive into. Plus they're still making games for this generation. (Can't wait for the next Borderlands.) So I'm happy to let the consoles spend a few years getting good and honed, and I'll pick one up when it's finally ready.

That's why I waited many years to get my PS3, because damn was that console unappealing when it first came out.



Likewise. I'm at the point now where few games are really must haves. If the consoles hadn't both been complete failboats at launch I might have considered, but the backwards compatibility thing really pisses me off. I'll keep my 360 or at least another year. I'm only halfway through dark souls 1.
 
2014-06-05 02:38:38 PM
Antimatter:

Can't wait to see what next week brings us.  Hopefully we get some surprises and details about late summer and fall releases.

If you check the Twitch broadcast schedule for E3, there are a lot of "Unannounced title" slots for Sony and Microsoft, should be good.

You know we'll see some of Uncharted 4, but if Santa Monica's Twitter feed is to believed, God of War 4 will make an appearance as well and there are a bunch of new IPs rumored for Sony.

Microsoft?  Forza Horizon, Halo 5 and Sunset Overdrive would be my guess.

http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/06/twitch-broadcast-schedule-for-e3/
 
2014-06-05 02:38:47 PM

Shakin_Haitian: gingerjet: Glitchwerks: It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.

You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?

Glitchwerks: Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.

That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets

Are... are... are you serious?

The PC market is dead?


It ain't healthy, and it ain't gonna get any healthier. The future is, indeed, very much looking like mobile devices dominating the computer market, on one side, and servers supporting the cloud market, on the other side. The PC market is rapidly shrinking back to its hobbyist base.
 
2014-06-05 02:39:12 PM

gingerjet: Glitchwerks: It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.

You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?

Glitchwerks: Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.

That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets


You must be one of those individuals who shares stupid articles citing 'gamer surveys' as evidence that gamers are shifting away from PCs.

'Gaming' is reaching new markets, and thus, the shares are spreading out between new mediums.  Your 'traditional gamer' is being reflected adequately in those surveys because Farmville players are being counted as 'gamers'.
 
2014-06-05 02:42:05 PM

nocturnal001: soporific: And this is why I sit out the next generation for at least a year or two. I'm too old to need the latest console, and I don't play enough to not have a huge backlog I can dive into. Plus they're still making games for this generation. (Can't wait for the next Borderlands.) So I'm happy to let the consoles spend a few years getting good and honed, and I'll pick one up when it's finally ready.

That's why I waited many years to get my PS3, because damn was that console unappealing when it first came out.


Likewise. I'm at the point now where few games are really must haves. If the consoles hadn't both been complete failboats at launch I might have considered, but the backwards compatibility thing really pisses me off. I'll keep my 360 or at least another year. I'm only halfway through dark souls 1.


Other than supply, what was failboat about the launches?
 
2014-06-05 02:43:33 PM

Shakin_Haitian: gingerjet: Glitchwerks: It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.

You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?

Glitchwerks: Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.

That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets

Are... are... are you serious?

The PC market is dead?


Yup! And this year is the year of the linux desktop and flying car.
 
2014-06-05 02:44:46 PM

the_sidewinder: lemurs: It was pretty well-known that a chunk of the XBone's processing power was reserved for processing Kinect input and it's good they're freeing that up for general use now that Kinect is dead.  But the system's eSRAM setup still guarantees that most games will arrive at upscaled 792p resolution.

Hopefully the DX12 APIs fix that issue, as one of the features was that DX12 handled that memory for the devs. We won't see any benefit though until the end of 2015 for large games, as the game has to be made using DX12 from the beginning


Here's a post which breaks down the RAM situation in a bit more detail. Basically, that resolution crams the most stuff possible into the hardware buffer that's available, so it's unlikely that improvement in graphics APIs alone will be enough to alleviate the problem.
 
2014-06-05 02:46:12 PM

Glitchwerks: gingerjet: That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets

Not for sim fans.

[media.pcgamer.com image 850x478]
Say hello to the game that will make Crysis jokes obsolete.


That's a beautiful game, no doubt.

But I think Star Citizen is going to be the new Crysis benchmark.

abload.de
abload.de
 
2014-06-05 02:50:07 PM

soporific: And this is why I sit out the next generation for at least a year or two. I'm too old to need the latest console, and I don't play enough to not have a huge backlog I can dive into. Plus they're still making games for this generation. (Can't wait for the next Borderlands.) So I'm happy to let the consoles spend a few years getting good and honed, and I'll pick one up when it's finally ready.

That's why I waited many years to get my PS3, because damn was that console unappealing when it first came out.


I honestly didn't have much interest in the last generation. And the current generation is pretty "blah", too.

I *did* like a lot of Xbox Live! Arcade stuff. It's too bad that it's all going to disappear when MS decides to shut off Live! for the 360.

I didn't own a PS2 until 2009, but I softmodded it and had tons of games. The PS2 catalog is *unbelievably* diverse compared to the newer systems. I wish we could return to those days. Now almost everything is an FPS, sports game, GTA-alike, or Tomb Raider-alike.
 
2014-06-05 02:51:26 PM
DeathByGeekSquad: gingerjet: Glitchwerks: It is the reason I stayed away from both consoles this generation and went with a PC.

You do realize the desktop market is collapsing right?

Glitchwerks: Now I can play games exactly how I want with mods and don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.

That's so cute.

/the future is specialized consoles and mobile devices like phones and tablets

You must be one of those individuals who shares stupid articles citing 'gamer surveys' as evidence that gamers are shifting away from PCs.


On the contrary, I'm not talking about gamers, I'm talking about the PC market as a whole. And I'm not going based off of stupid articles. I work in a company (a big, big company whose name you would certainly recognize) whose business has been built on the PC market and which is now in a state of deep panic because that market is crumbling underneath of us per our very thorough survey of said market.

Look, I'm sure that PC gamers will continue to exist, but the sheer number of PCs out there is going down, down, down. If you don't believe me, you can happily go out and find any number of market reports to verify that I'm not talking out of my ass.

Or you can just plug your ears and go la-la-la if that makes you feel better.
 
2014-06-05 02:51:30 PM

Last Man on Earth: Last time, Sony's sales were fantastic in Japan, and passable elsewhere, while the 360 was strong in the US/EU and really weak in the asian markets. Maybe Nintendo's been cleaning up in Japan, but that wouldn't eat up all the same sales, and PC gaming has never really been a thing there. How's the One been doing on Japanese sales? If MS has somehow seen a big spike, that might explain Sony's relatively small numbers.


japan is turning its nose up more and more to standard consoles.  handheld devices have taken over it seems.  the days where the Japanese are killing themselves for new home consoles seems to have waned.

it's really weird.

or pundits are correct about Japanese game development being so goddamn stagnant.  perhaps they have just stopped caring.
 
2014-06-05 02:52:27 PM

soporific: And this is why I sit out the next generation for at least a year or two. I'm too old to need the latest console, and I don't play enough to not have a huge backlog I can dive into. Plus they're still making games for this generation. (Can't wait for the next Borderlands.) So I'm happy to let the consoles spend a few years getting good and honed, and I'll pick one up when it's finally ready.

That's why I waited many years to get my PS3, because damn was that console unappealing when it first came out.


I got a PS3 just a couple months ago. I don't really game much, but getting one was based on canceling dish Tv and going with Netflix and Amazon prime. Also plays bluray, so it became our media player for a pretty cheap price.
 
2014-06-05 02:56:00 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Look, I'm sure that PC gamers will continue to exist, but the sheer number of PCs out there is going down, down, down.


and that has dick all to do with hardcore pc gamers that purchase bleeding edge nvidia\radeon cards to keep their gaming pc's top notch.

yes, the desktop market is dwindling.  most desktop pc's weren't playing hardcore pc games anyway, and most people never NEEDED a desktop pc to play solitaire.

or does the fact that STEAM is doing gangbusters on so many new titles just escape you?
 
2014-06-05 02:58:39 PM

frepnog: japan is turning its nose up more and more to standard consoles.  handheld devices have taken over it seems.  the days where the Japanese are killing themselves for new home consoles seems to have waned.

it's really weird.

or pundits are correct about Japanese game development being so goddamn stagnant.  perhaps they have just stopped caring.


With the PS4 already tracking behind the Wii U in Japan, it's hard not to declare traditional consoles all but dead in that region.  Portables dominate the weekly charts, but the 3DS and Vita aren't doing the same numbers the DS and PSP did back in the day.  The games market is still growing though, but that growth is coming from mobile.  It's a sign that Nintendo and Sony need to compete better going forward.
 
2014-06-05 02:58:59 PM
Man, there certainly are a lot of sandy vaginas around the Fark geek tab these days. I, for one, dig having the Kinect.

Pretty much every night I walk in the front door and say "Xbox - On." The Xbox then turns on my TV (which in turn, cycles on the 5.1 receiver) It doesn't take more than 5 seconds or so, and it's already logged me into my profile. As I'm taking off my coat, I say "Xbox - select Netflix". Then as I'm setting down my keys and grabbing a snack in the kitchen "Select One" to start the last TV show I was watching. The whole thing takes about 15 seconds from start to finish, which is slick.

That's about it. I think it's pretty nice. I don't have to dig around for remotes, dick around with selecting things, etc. Voice controls are fast to pause to take a phone call, and my friends can video Skype me on the TV, which too is awesome.

I am bummed they haven't launched a new Dance Central game, which was badass with the 360 - but I can only assume one is in the works.

And I'm a bit confused why everyone thinks it's such a big invasion of privacy, when they're likely using a laptop, tablet or phone that has microphones and cameras on them, and in their possession every hour of the day. At least the Kinect doesn't track your physical position and track you via GPS all day long like a cell phone. But I guess since it's made by Microsoft is reason enough for people to biatch.
 
2014-06-05 03:08:31 PM

usttsdw: nocturnal001: soporific: And this is why I sit out the next generation for at least a year or two. I'm too old to need the latest console, and I don't play enough to not have a huge backlog I can dive into. Plus they're still making games for this generation. (Can't wait for the next Borderlands.) So I'm happy to let the consoles spend a few years getting good and honed, and I'll pick one up when it's finally ready.

That's why I waited many years to get my PS3, because damn was that console unappealing when it first came out.


Likewise. I'm at the point now where few games are really must haves. If the consoles hadn't both been complete failboats at launch I might have considered, but the backwards compatibility thing really pisses me off. I'll keep my 360 or at least another year. I'm only halfway through dark souls 1.

Other than supply, what was failboat about the launches?


 For me it was more of all the crap features that were being pushed down our throats, some of which were later removed but many remain. It all caused the new console (I'm speaking more of the xbone here) to be simply not exciting.
 
2014-06-05 03:16:14 PM

MrSteve007: Pretty much every night I walk in the front door and say "Xbox - On." The Xbox then turns on my TV (which in turn, cycles on the 5.1 receiver) It doesn't take more than 5 seconds or so, and it's already logged me into my profile. As I'm taking off my coat, I say "Xbox - select Netflix". Then as I'm setting down my keys and grabbing a snack in the kitchen "Select One" to start the last TV show I was watching. The whole thing takes about 15 seconds from start to finish, which is slick.


I don't disagree that that is cool/convenient, but I'm not sure it's worth 100 bucks. A mic worth a few dollars could have pulled this off too.
 
2014-06-05 03:16:16 PM

frepnog: Some 'Splainin' To Do: Look, I'm sure that PC gamers will continue to exist, but the sheer number of PCs out there is going down, down, down.

and that has dick all to do with hardcore pc gamers that purchase bleeding edge nvidia\radeon cards to keep their gaming pc's top notch.

yes, the desktop market is dwindling.  most desktop pc's weren't playing hardcore pc games anyway, and most people never NEEDED a desktop pc to play solitaire.

or does the fact that STEAM is doing gangbusters on so many new titles just escape you?


It does not escape me, and I specifically said that the hobbyist market isn't going away.

But let's face some long-term facts. The high-end gamers are a niche market. If you're argument is that a niche market is, never the less, a market, that's fine. I'm not disputing that. But if PC manufacturers aren't selling units, how do you suppose that will impact the long-term viability of that market?

This is particularly critical when you talk about sustaining the market. Old PC gamers are going to hang on to their devices until the sun bloats up, but where are the new PC gamers going to be coming from? New players aren't buying PCs specifically to game. They're buying PCs for their other needs and  then taking up gaming. Those are the ones that graduate to being the NVIDIA consumers that you're talking about.

But most new computer users aren't going in that direction. They're buying mobile devices and being happy with it, with consoles being a good enough alternative for those that are interested in gaming.

The last few years  have been great for PC gaming, and I'm happy that there's been something of a renaissance in that space, but as the PC market contracts, I think that it's simply incredible to assume that the gaming portion of the PC sector won't be affected by that same contraction.

I'll be blunt: there is a lot of whistling past the graveyard going on in this thread and in the gaming community as a whole. I think that everyone, deep down, knows that the golden age is not going to last, and more the pity.
 
2014-06-05 03:17:07 PM

MrSteve007: Man, there certainly are a lot of sandy vaginas around the Fark geek tab these days. I, for one, dig having the Kinect.


For a lot of people I know, Kinect was a direct slap in the face.

Why?

Because they had special $500+ wheel controllers that would no longer work with the XBox One.

On top of that, the new licensed XBox One wheel controllers were absolute cheap crap.

So when you throw in that you had to purchase Kinect with the new XBox One, it just felt like such an insult.

I would honestly say they probably would have sold an additional 1 million XBox One units had since launch had they not dicked over Forza fans so hard.
 
2014-06-05 03:17:55 PM

lemurs: Here's a post which breaks down the RAM situation in a bit more detail. Basically, that resolution crams the most stuff possible into the hardware buffer that's available, so it's unlikely that improvement in graphics APIs alone will be enough to alleviate the problem.


Absolutely, while the DX12 APIs will improve things on the One, it's hardly going to be a Silver Bullet.

/I'm this console generation will be much shorter lived than the last, this being one of the reasons (and you know Sony won't sit idly by if MS lets out a new console)
 
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