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(Washington Post)   Washington D.C. unveils its new long-term transportation plan: Walk and bike everywhere, trolley-troll-troll, and tax the bejeesus out of drivers   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 123
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2014-06-04 11:35:59 AM  

dr_blasto: jehovahs witness protection: Rapmaster2000: jehovahs witness protection: I avoid the hell out of areas with public transit.
They are all shiatholes.

You sound poor.

No, I can afford gas for my 12 MPG truck and can also afford a nice home in a decent area.
The poors ride mass transit.

Sounds like it's boring and culture-free. Have fun eating at Applebee's.


Culture free often relates directly to crime free...some people are willing to make that trade and drive into the city when they decide to have chicken vindaloo and not have it foisted upon them by their neighbors on a daily basis.

I can't tell you how many times in a month i get home and my culture rich inner loop apt smells of curry thanks to any one of my 4 possible neighbors.
 
2014-06-04 11:44:01 AM  

winkman: Get rid of the building height limit (what is this? Rome?) and build some farking high rises and skyscrapers! Part of the reason why traffic sucks so bad in the area and not as many people utilize public transit as they could is that they live so far away from work!

http://www.welovedc.com/2010/02/16/dc-mythbusting-daytime-population /


DC has plenty of population density already. It's comparable to London where mass transit is huge.

The biggest issue is that the suburbs were built as sprawl that is difficult to service with mass transit and so a lot of people drive and zoning in suburbs makes sure you have large tracks of residential housing.
 
2014-06-04 11:52:17 AM  

Target Builder: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I don't understand why major cities don't put bike/walking paths ABOVE current lanes of traffic.  Modern materials allow for sturdy overpasses that would free up a ton of real estate.  You could even do away with street level sidewalks to open up more lanes for cars/buses.

Bridges are expensive.

There are some logistical and technical issues too, but mainly it just costs a ton to build bridges.


I'm not talking about bridges though, more like carbon fiber webwork structures that hold up light weight walkways made of honeycomb carbon fiber.  Probably 20% of the total mass of a bridge because it wouldn't need to support anywhere near the weight.
 
2014-06-04 12:00:37 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Target Builder: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I don't understand why major cities don't put bike/walking paths ABOVE current lanes of traffic.  Modern materials allow for sturdy overpasses that would free up a ton of real estate.  You could even do away with street level sidewalks to open up more lanes for cars/buses.

Carbon fiber bridges are  astronomically expensive.

There are some logistical and technical issues too, but mainly it just costs a ton to build bridges.

I'm not talking about bridges though, more like carbon fiber webwork structures that hold up light weight walkways made of honeycomb carbon fiber.  Probably 20% of the total mass of a bridge because it wouldn't need to support anywhere near the weight.


I've revised my earlier statement.
 
2014-06-04 12:15:34 PM  
if you live in a sprawling suburb, you are the problem.
 
2014-06-04 12:27:26 PM  
I got spiritual cooties in 1992 just driving the Beltway for the one hour it took to get past DC
 
2014-06-04 12:41:29 PM  

Geotpf: EvilEgg: Geotpf: EvilEgg: Public transit is much better than driving if it is frequent enough and goes within a couple of blocks of your destination.

False.

For most people, transit is notably inferior to a private vehicle.

The two main problems are:

1. You can't carry a week's worth of groceries on the bus or subway.
2. Public transit doesn't start in my garage, leaves the exact moment I want to leave (even at 3 am in the morning), and goes exactly to my destination.

1. It can, and I have.
2. Cars don't go exactly to your destination in the city.  Most times you have to find someplace to park which can be a bigger hassle than walking two blocks.

#1: Do you have eight arms?  You can carry, at most, two or three bags of groceries on transit, never mind heavy items like cases of soda, beer, or water.
#2: I covered that in my advantages in heavily urban areas (minimal parking).  But in 95+% of the country, the distance from your destination to a parking spot is much less than the distance from the destination to the transit stop.


People in big cities have those little wheely carts for groceries. You can easily pack a week's groceries in one and if you live in the city, you don't have to space your grocery trips out that far.
 
2014-06-04 12:42:18 PM  

kronicfeld: jehovahs witness protection: The poors ride mass transit.

You have apparently never been anywhere close to D.C. and its suburbs. Or New York City.


Or to any major city in every first-world and most second-world countries anywhere else on the globe.

It's nice that he enjoys life on the farm, but that is not how 90% of the planet - and 99% of the creative productive people on it -- lives.
 
2014-06-04 01:00:18 PM  

Target Builder: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Target Builder: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I don't understand why major cities don't put bike/walking paths ABOVE current lanes of traffic.  Modern materials allow for sturdy overpasses that would free up a ton of real estate.  You could even do away with street level sidewalks to open up more lanes for cars/buses.

Carbon fiber bridges are  astronomically expensive.

There are some logistical and technical issues too, but mainly it just costs a ton to build bridges.

I'm not talking about bridges though, more like carbon fiber webwork structures that hold up light weight walkways made of honeycomb carbon fiber.  Probably 20% of the total mass of a bridge because it wouldn't need to support anywhere near the weight.

I've revised my earlier statement.


The thing is, it's not crazy expensive, not anymore.  Five years ago it would have been, but the vast adoption of carbon fiber in the auto industry and other areas has really brought the price down.
 
2014-06-04 01:17:33 PM  

EddyKilowatt: It's nice that he enjoys life on the farm, but that is not how 90% of the planet - and 99% of the creative productive people on it -- lives.


3.bp.blogspot.com
Show some respect.
 
2014-06-04 01:54:56 PM  
No matter how much you try to cut congestion in DC, traffic is always going to be a shiat show, because there are too many people who are "more important than you" who need to have major thoroughfares closed for them regularly for "security purposes".
 
2014-06-04 02:21:45 PM  

lack of warmth: So does this mean they are going to give up the plan of randomly shooting drivers and calling them terrorist, or this is an additional plan?


They can multi-task like a MFer.
 
2014-06-04 02:46:16 PM  
I've never driven through, or even near DC. How does the traffic compare to say rush hour through the Raleigh-Durham area?
 
2014-06-04 03:45:13 PM  
I live in the district and rented my apartment specifically to be able to walk to work. I can also walk to the grocery store, a number of different places to eat, and pretty much anywhere else I want to go. I tend to drive only to Dr appointments bc it's faster.

Nothing is worse than rush hour DC traffic and I've driven in pretty much most of the country's bigger metros. The lines to just get on the freeways are obnoxiously long. I don't know how people don't take public transportation.
 
2014-06-04 03:49:04 PM  
Had to drive to Northwest D.C. from PG County a few times to meet with a client, using a company truck. Very nerve wracking.
 
2014-06-04 03:58:11 PM  
Nothing like a mass transit thread to attract the smug and dumb.
 
2014-06-04 04:09:43 PM  
I drive it every day I work
come in at 4a, but leave at 6p..when it is typically at the worst
 if you think it is bad at ANY point..just wait intil the president wants to go for a drive
at high traffic.
the last two years it's during high traffic times on thanksgiving
here's an extra hour, you're welcome
 
2014-06-04 05:10:47 PM  

liam76: mschwenk: Walker: Intrepid00: Walker: How dedicated bike lanes in DC work:


More here:
http://whosblockinglsttoday.tumblr.com/

Pretty sure the sewage truck isn't in the bike lane and you can stop in a dc bike lane to let passengers out but the linked site the guy is complaining about it.

Pretty sure it is in the bike lane. See the thin space to the right of it? That's the divider between the bike lanes and the road. And for the other person who commented I don't know where deliver and service vehicles are supposed to go. I just know they are parked in the bike lanes. And people definitely shouldn't be driving in them or parking in them....or do you have excuses for them too?

Caption for this one below said "Driver got out w/ stool & tried to attack me twice after I took pic & asked him to move"

Fedex, UPS, and the sewage guy pretty much neeed to be where they are. If you helped push for the bike lane as is, then this is paryially your fault. There definately needs to be either a delivery and service exception or provisions put in place to handle deliveries and services. With the lane as is, the only other choice they have is the side walk.

what did they do when that was parking? Or when it was a regular lane?

If it is important enought o jam up a lane before then they can do it now, they still shouldn't be in the bike lane.

/not a bike rider.
//fine with this plan. Live about an hour and 15 minutes from DC with no traffic. Always take the metro in, unless it is to a hospital.


The did the same thing they are doing now. If I owned fedex or UPS, I could simply say embargo on and no longer accept deliveries to the city.

The waste truck absolutely has to be there. If you notice it is hooked up.
 
2014-06-04 06:48:33 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Driving in DC is a horrible experience anyway. Even on its worst, Metro-derailed day, I'd rather take the public transit.


Agreed.  Only a damn fool would try to drive into DC these days, and it's just going to get worse.  If they can make the District fully mass-transit accessible, all power to them.
 
2014-06-04 08:08:00 PM  

Walker: How dedicated bike lanes in DC work:

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More here:
http://whosblockinglsttoday.tumblr.com/


To be fair that's how the normal car lanes work too.
 
2014-06-04 08:14:41 PM  

Geotpf: EvilEgg: Public transit is much better than driving if it is frequent enough and goes within a couple of blocks of your destination.

False.

For most people, transit is notably inferior to a private vehicle.

The two main problems are:

1. You can't carry a week's worth of groceries on the bus or subway.
2. Public transit doesn't start in my garage, leaves the exact moment I want to leave (even at 3 am in the morning), and goes exactly to my destination.

That's not to say that it doesn't have advantages:



In a city like DC, this is usually impossible in a private car too. If you want to be within a block or two of your destination you'll have to fight for a meter or pay $20-25 for a garage.
 
2014-06-05 09:43:18 AM  
So, basically, Washington DC is finally doing what it should have started a century ago?
 
2014-06-05 06:58:19 PM  
Driving into DC is crazy. You get lost, have trouble finding parking, and then pay through the nose when you find it. Of course, that's par for the course in most major American cities, but those crazy rotaries and one way streets don't help. There is no real way for that city to continue to grow without enhanced public transportation.
 
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