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(Entertainment Weekly)   George R.R. Martin clarifies rumors that there will be an eighth Song of Ice and Fire book, well kinda: "Get back to me when I'm half-way through Book Seven"   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 92
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2014-06-04 09:24:18 AM  
Hodor?
 
2014-06-04 09:55:23 AM  
I guess the dump trucks full of money just keep getting bigger and bigger.
 
2014-06-04 10:10:10 AM  
I am just going to right now go on the record and predict that this fat bastard is going to have a heart attack and die before book 7 is finished and a nameless ghost writer will be hired to continue the series ad infinitum
 
2014-06-04 10:11:08 AM  
PS without Danerys ever getting to Westeros or anyone riding a farking dragon into battle
 
2014-06-04 10:14:30 AM  

NuttierThanEver: I am just going to right now go on the record and predict that this fat bastard is going to have a heart attack and die before book 7 is finished and a nameless ghost writer will be hired to continue the series ad infinitum


This. He's going to pull a Robert Jordan at this point.
 
2014-06-04 10:59:30 AM  

NuttierThanEver: I am just going to right now go on the record and predict that this fat bastard is going to have a heart attack and die before book 7 is finished and a nameless ghost writer will be hired to continue the series ad infinitum


Oh come on, you know there is a team of ghostwriters already...

HBO has so much invested in this at this point, they have to help as it is in their best interest.
 
2014-06-04 11:20:24 AM  
this is like the fourth or fifth GoT thread on the total fark green page. knock it off, already. Its a good show, but it aint all that.
 
mhd
2014-06-04 11:41:26 AM  

NuttierThanEver: I am just going to right now go on the record and predict that this fat bastard is going to have a heart attack and die before book 7 is finished and a nameless ghost writer will be hired to continue the series ad infinitum


If by "nameless" you mean "Kevin J. Anderson"...
 
2014-06-04 11:41:47 AM  

Endive Wombat: Oh come on, you know there is a team of ghostwriters already...


Honestly, there should be. At this point, he should hire a few people to write the first drafts of everything, and he should just polish stuff.
 
2014-06-04 11:42:14 AM  
"Get back to me when I'm half-way through Book Seven"

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2014-06-04 11:42:19 AM  
So we'll have an appointment for March 2022 on the books then, George?
 
2014-06-04 11:43:40 AM  

DamnYankees: Endive Wombat: Oh come on, you know there is a team of ghostwriters already...

Honestly, there should be. At this point, he should hire a few people to write the first drafts of everything, and he should just polish stuff.



Or vice versa.
 
2014-06-04 11:47:05 AM  

mhd: NuttierThanEver: I am just going to right now go on the record and predict that this fat bastard is going to have a heart attack and die before book 7 is finished and a nameless ghost writer will be hired to continue the series ad infinitum

If by "nameless" you mean "Kevin J. Anderson" Elio Garcia...


FTFY. There is already a writer out there that has collaborated extensively with GRRM about Westeros to the point of writing a good deal of A World of Ice and Fire.
 
2014-06-04 11:55:25 AM  

Geoff Peterson: this is like the fourth or fifth GoT thread on the total fark green page. knock it off, already. Its a good show, but it aint all that.


It's a good show, for sure. I wish a thread on DaVinci's Demons would get greenlit. :( It's a good show, too.
 
2014-06-04 11:55:44 AM  
I would make a remark about riding the gravy train but given GRRM's propensity for downing hot dogs at cons I thought better of it.
/just hope he lasts til 2016 when I hope to FINALLY get to one close to my area to see him
 
2014-06-04 11:59:03 AM  
Halfway through book 7 !? George, you aren't going to be alive in 2050.
 
2014-06-04 11:59:22 AM  
He really needs a new editor.
 
2014-06-04 12:07:00 PM  
I've heard it said that if he should be unable to finish the series, he is unwilling to allow another author to finish it in his stead. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that?
 
2014-06-04 12:11:07 PM  

Endive Wombat: HBO has so much invested in this at this point, they have to help as it is in their best interest.

Is it really though?  GRRM already gave them a rough outline, the last two books seem to indicate his project management skills are overwhelmed (IIRC they weren't even supposed to exist?), and if there's any message to the story beyond the rape-your-eyesockets disillusionment, it's that anything can happen.  Well if anything can happen, then why does HBO need GRRM to finish the story?

There are things we want to see happen, but there are no assurances any of it will happen.  This is the antithesis of a hero's journey where there's a clear-cut protagonist, a clear-cut antagonist, an audience expectation that the former will defeat the latter and the only real questions are how they get to the inevitable conclusion.  In LotR, when Gandalf first told Frodo the One Ring needed to be destroyed there was no doubt in my mind they'd succeed.  The only reason to read the rest was to experience the journey.  Here, even the announced title of the last book ("A Dream of Spring") doesn't exclude the possibility that everyone's really just reading about the last days of Westeros before the zombies and dragons take over.

My point is that whereas most conventional fiction builds up audience expectations for a certain ending (and delivers either that or a twist), the expectation of ASoIaF is that there are no expectations.  Pretty much anyone can write the ending to the epic as it stands now, and it's supposedly about 3/4 done.  HBO doesn't need GRRM; the man could die tomorrow and that would only free up the writers to invent their own ending.
 
2014-06-04 12:12:04 PM  

The Larch: I've heard it said that if he should be unable to finish the series, he is unwilling to allow another author to finish it in his stead. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that?


http://www.themarysue.com/grrm-others-writing-got/

That's the closest I can find, and it talks mostly about fanfiction. The biggest quote there I think is that he wouldn't let anyone else write in the ASOIAF world "while I'm alive."
 
2014-06-04 12:13:32 PM  
"Get back to me Let me check my bank accountwhen I'm half-way through Book Seven."
 
2014-06-04 12:22:36 PM  

Someothermonkey: He really needs a new editor.


Assigning him a new editor won't change a thing.  GRRM wins.  His fame and sales can even trump black letter contract clauses at this point.

I've seen it happen.  Rock star author supposed to turn in work by date X, disappears to Spain for six weeks instead.  Our reaction?  "Your tan looks lovely."
 
2014-06-04 12:24:18 PM  
At this point I like the TV show more than the books, so I would be fine if HBO wrapped up the series their way with some GRRM guidance while GRRM continues to stall and bloviate the bookverse.

Sadly, the series will probably go on hiatus if it catches up to the books and there's no new one in sight. Everyone suffers.
 
2014-06-04 12:26:26 PM  
i've said this before, but i think they're just stalling the release to maximize profit and sales.  i think the next book will come out early next year, probably by march.  and then the last book will be released on the weekend before the season premiere for season 7.  he'll give all his information to the producers and finish writing it while they start filming the last season.  that way a zillion people will have to buy it when it comes out so that the show doesn't spoil anything for them.
 
2014-06-04 12:28:44 PM  

mhd: NuttierThanEver: I am just going to right now go on the record and predict that this fat bastard is going to have a heart attack and die before book 7 is finished and a nameless ghost writer will be hired to continue the series ad infinitum

If by "nameless" you mean "Kevin J. Anderson"...


With the success of Sanderson, I bet KJA's work is done.  Thank Jesus

Tr0mBoNe: I guess the dump trucks full of money just keep getting bigger and bigger.


The books have grown regardless.  It was initially a planned trilogy, but GRRM has a professional motto that has applied to all his works: "The story grows in the telling"
 
2014-06-04 12:31:20 PM  

fiddlehead: At this point I like the TV show more than the books, so I would be fine if HBO wrapped up the series their way with some GRRM guidance while GRRM continues to stall and bloviate the bookverse.

Sadly, the series will probably go on hiatus if it catches up to the books and there's no new one in sight. Everyone suffers.


Nope the show is at max 8 seasons w/ no plans for hiatus
 
2014-06-04 12:38:56 PM  
Publishing schedule is something like this:

Book 7 will be about Fall of 2018
Book 8 sometime in 2025.
Martin bites it around 2030 from CHF.
Book 9 will be completed by Martin's disembodied brain sometime between 2038-2040
Book 10 will be available during the Summer of 130000 when the Sun undergoes expansion.
Book 11 just after the Sun completely burns out.  250,0000 A.D.
The final Book 12 should hit the shelves sometime near the heat death of the universe.
 
2014-06-04 12:45:57 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-04 12:48:48 PM  
What should GRRMartin do?

Turns out, it was all just a dream in Ned Stark's head.  He then realizes he shouldn't infrom the world that Joefrry is an incest baby.

The End.
 
2014-06-04 12:55:45 PM  
Here is the best estimate for completion dates
 
2014-06-04 12:58:36 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: The Larch: I've heard it said that if he should be unable to finish the series, he is unwilling to allow another author to finish it in his stead. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that?

http://www.themarysue.com/grrm-others-writing-got/

That's the closest I can find, and it talks mostly about fanfiction. The biggest quote there I think is that he wouldn't let anyone else write in the ASOIAF world "while I'm alive."


I've heard in the past from other superfans that on top of the 'no one else writes while I'm alive' he either keeps very limited notes or plans to destroy notes if he's done writing.

So if he doesn't finish it, the show ends up probably being the closest to his original vision.
 
2014-06-04 01:04:38 PM  

Geoff Peterson: this is like the fourth or fifth GoT thread on the total fark green page. knock it off, already. Its a good show, but it aint all that.


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-04 01:05:43 PM  

Caeldan: The_Six_Fingered_Man: The Larch: I've heard it said that if he should be unable to finish the series, he is unwilling to allow another author to finish it in his stead. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that?

http://www.themarysue.com/grrm-others-writing-got/

That's the closest I can find, and it talks mostly about fanfiction. The biggest quote there I think is that he wouldn't let anyone else write in the ASOIAF world "while I'm alive."

I've heard in the past from other superfans that on top of the 'no one else writes while I'm alive' he either keeps very limited notes or plans to destroy notes if he's done writing.

So if he doesn't finish it, the show ends up probably being the closest to his original vision.


The biggest knock against that and even the quote above is that he has already let someone else write in the ASOIAF world. That person is the one that GRRM directs HBO to if they have a question and even directs his own factchecking questions towards. Elio Garcia wrote a ton of material for the A World of Ice and Fire compendium, which is essentially a historical record, but the prose flows similar to the novels.
 
2014-06-04 01:07:11 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Caeldan: The_Six_Fingered_Man: The Larch: I've heard it said that if he should be unable to finish the series, he is unwilling to allow another author to finish it in his stead. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that?

http://www.themarysue.com/grrm-others-writing-got/

That's the closest I can find, and it talks mostly about fanfiction. The biggest quote there I think is that he wouldn't let anyone else write in the ASOIAF world "while I'm alive."

I've heard in the past from other superfans that on top of the 'no one else writes while I'm alive' he either keeps very limited notes or plans to destroy notes if he's done writing.

So if he doesn't finish it, the show ends up probably being the closest to his original vision.

The biggest knock against that and even the quote above is that he has already let someone else write in the ASOIAF world. That person is the one that GRRM directs HBO to if they have a question and even directs his own factchecking questions towards. Elio Garcia wrote a ton of material for the A World of Ice and Fire compendium, which is essentially a historical record, but the prose flows similar to the novels.


Good.  Farking Great.  If this old man dies off before finishing his story at least someone competent will attempt to cash in.
 
2014-06-04 01:07:27 PM  
i.imgur.com
watching you, guys.
 
2014-06-04 01:15:03 PM  

Xlr8urfark: Geoff Peterson: this is like the fourth or fifth GoT thread on the total fark green page. knock it off, already. Its a good show, but it aint all that.

It's a good show, for sure. I wish a thread on DaVinci's Demons would get greenlit. :( It's a good show, too.


I really like Da Vinci's Demons. It's a fun show, with alot of cool characters. Looking forward to next season.
 
2014-06-04 01:23:29 PM  
The show has already deviated from the books a bit right?  I don't get the impression that HBO will wait for him if he's not on their schedule.
 
2014-06-04 01:26:30 PM  
BTW - I meant to ask, Why does GoT have a filter on it?

It always shows up as Game of Thrones.
 
2014-06-04 01:27:04 PM  

MooseMuffin: The show has already deviated from the books a bit right?  I don't get the impression that HBO will wait for him if he's not on their schedule.


Only slightly, and nothing to deviate from the major plot or the character arcs. Certain things and events may take place slightly differently than they did in the books, but they still happen.
 
2014-06-04 01:27:05 PM  
Or not.
 
2014-06-04 01:29:11 PM  

texdent: NuttierThanEver: I am just going to right now go on the record and predict that this fat bastard is going to have a heart attack and die before book 7 is finished and a nameless ghost writer will be hired to continue the series ad infinitum

This. He's going to pull a Robert Jordan at this point.


Wheel of Time indeed.  That series started out like crap, got really good and then ended like crap.  Rest in peace, Jordan.  I really enjoyed it despite all that.
 
rka
2014-06-04 01:31:22 PM  

Geoff Peterson: this is like the fourth or fifth GoT thread on the total fark green page. knock it off, already. Its a good show, but it aint all that.


Actually, this is a thread about the books.  Not the TV show.

So we can post book spoilers in here right?
 
2014-06-04 01:31:42 PM  

Geoff Peterson: this is like the fourth or fifth GoT thread on the total fark green page. knock it off, already. Its a good show, but it aint all that.


No, this is a thread about the book.  Which I guess would explain why all the spoilershiatters aren't here.
 
2014-06-04 01:32:21 PM  

rka: Geoff Peterson: this is like the fourth or fifth GoT thread on the total fark green page. knock it off, already. Its a good show, but it aint all that.

Actually, this is a thread about the books.  Not the TV show.

So we can post book spoilers in here right?


High five.
 
2014-06-04 01:39:42 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: MooseMuffin: The show has already deviated from the books a bit right?  I don't get the impression that HBO will wait for him if he's not on their schedule.

Only slightly, and nothing to deviate from the major plot or the character arcs. Certain things and events may take place slightly differently than they did in the books, but they still happen.


They also deleted a bunch of minor characters of little to no importance.  Coldhands is probably the only exception and that's most just cause of the loss of the mysterious back story.  In the end they simply replaced him w/ the Ravens
 
2014-06-04 01:44:58 PM  

ShadowKamui: The_Six_Fingered_Man: MooseMuffin: The show has already deviated from the books a bit right?  I don't get the impression that HBO will wait for him if he's not on their schedule.

Only slightly, and nothing to deviate from the major plot or the character arcs. Certain things and events may take place slightly differently than they did in the books, but they still happen.

They also deleted a bunch of minor characters of little to no importance.  Coldhands is probably the only exception and that's most just cause of the loss of the mysterious back story.  In the end they simply replaced him w/ the Ravens


I'd say Sansa being openly Sansa is a pretty major deviation.  But I'm pretty sure the other lords will just be told to pretend it didn't happen.
 
rka
2014-06-04 01:45:06 PM  

ShadowKamui: The_Six_Fingered_Man: MooseMuffin: The show has already deviated from the books a bit right?  I don't get the impression that HBO will wait for him if he's not on their schedule.

Only slightly, and nothing to deviate from the major plot or the character arcs. Certain things and events may take place slightly differently than they did in the books, but they still happen.

They also deleted a bunch of minor characters of little to no importance.  Coldhands is probably the only exception and that's most just cause of the loss of the mysterious back story.  In the end they simply replaced him w/ the Ravens


Dude..TV spoilers are not allowed in book threads. Some of us don't get HBO but at some undefined but distant point in the future hope to watch this series. Don't ruin it for us.
 
2014-06-04 01:45:36 PM  

NuttierThanEver: I am just going to right now go on the record and predict that this fat bastard is going to have a heart attack and die before book 7 is finished and a nameless ghost writer will be hired to continue the series ad infinitum


Ok, you're number 1,000,948,058 on that list.  Thanks we got it, does this seriously need to be a comment in every single thread about Cones of Dunshire?
 
2014-06-04 01:46:57 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: "Get back to me when I'm half-way through Book Seven"

[img.fark.net image 275x165]


+1.  Any reason to post the laughing Arya gif is totally worth it. That looked like a single take to me, Maisie nailed it. Also she looked up at the Hound and laughed even harder. Great scene.

I'm not overly confident that he could do another book after this one. I have a theory about what he is going to do...

He is going to get the next book published, and then sell the scribbles and other unpublished materials (for future books / filler material) to HBO or some other entity, so they can either finish the story in visual format (HBO or movie type thing) or have another writer complete it.  As someone who read the first 2 and some of the 3rd book a LONG time ago, I am curious to see where it goes. I know some of what happens because of the show, and people posting spoilers. I know its my fault for reading them.
 
2014-06-04 01:50:55 PM  

nowaymanblue: I'd say Sansa being openly Sansa is a pretty major deviation.  But I'm pretty sure the other lords will just be told to pretend it didn't happen.


One of the Lords Declarant (I can't remember if it was Royce or Lady Waynwood in the show) states very plainly "We will keep your secret."

So nothing changes at all. She still heads down the mountain as Alayne, does her Eyrie Tour, and will be revealed (most likely) as Sansa Stark at her marriage to Harry the Heir.
 
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