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(Newsweek)   Canadian government bars meteorologists from mentioning climate change. Apparently the image of Canadians walking around in shorts and tank tops was disturbing to children   (newsweek.com) divider line 38
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2014-06-04 11:02:59 AM  
Of course it was, have you seen how pale most of them are?
 
2014-06-04 11:35:04 AM  
Not sure they would be entirely separate, but one would think that they would prefer their climatologists to do that
 
2014-06-04 12:00:03 PM  
It's been known for some time.

It wasn't surprising, considering that Harper is a dick.

He's been trying con people by wearing sweater vests.  It hasn't worked.
 
2014-06-04 12:21:48 PM  
Pedo McSweatervest burning down libraries and archives, muzzling scientists and generally being a megalomaniac.  Not news.
 
2014-06-04 12:22:53 PM  
This is OLD news. Harper has been openly muzzeling scientists for years.
 
2014-06-04 12:23:13 PM  
America can expect the same thing once a Republican gets back in the White House.

/Assuming the White House is not under water by that time
 
2014-06-04 12:31:27 PM  

Metalupis: Of course it was, have you seen how pale most of them are?


Not to mention most of the attractive ones migrate to the US.
 
2014-06-04 12:32:46 PM  

sjmcc13: This is OLD news. Harper has been openly muzzeling scientists for years.


Wikipedia.
 
2014-06-04 12:35:29 PM  
At first I was thinking, Canada, no don't listen to us.  But then I read the article.  Seems to me letting experts in the field rather than any random scientist with an opinion on the topic to speak for the government, might be a wise decision.
 
2014-06-04 12:36:07 PM  

Metalupis: Of course it was, have you seen how pale most of them are?


I vacationed in Canada onee unseasonably hot summer. I've SEEN Canadians in shorts and tank tops.
You don't ever want to see that.
 
2014-06-04 12:47:00 PM  

sjmcc13: This is OLD news. Harper has been openly muzzeling scientists for years.


You're local TV meteorologist is not a paleoclimatologist.

Your TV meter

UncomfortableSilence: At first I was thinking, Canada, no don't listen to us.  But then I read the article.  Seems to me letting experts in the field rather than any random scientist with an opinion on the topic to speak for the government, might be a wise decision.


Basically this.  Meteorologists are who the public turns to for advice on the weather.  So, it seems reasonable that people would give credence to a meteorologist talking about something weather-related.  But, as both sides remind each other after a cold winter/warm winter/cool summer/hot summer/big hurricane season/lite hurricane season/etc., weather is not climate.  And because you are an expert in one, you aren't necessarily an expert in the other, even if you can handle a remote in front of a green screen.
 
2014-06-04 12:52:07 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: It's been known for some time.

It wasn't surprising, considering that Harper is a dick.

He's been trying con people by wearing sweater vests.  It hasn't worked.


He's a cat lover  and he will write back and show pics of them.  I think he's a Farker:

wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com
 
2014-06-04 12:56:41 PM  

swaxhog: Pedo McSweatervest burning down libraries and archives, muzzling scientists and generally being a megalomaniac.  Not news.


Well I hope you're used to it because until Justin "The Legacy" stops pulling publicity stunts and starts telling people what he's actually going to do as PM we're stuck with Mr Roboto.
 
2014-06-04 01:05:56 PM  

Metalupis: Of course it was, have you seen how pale most of them are?


We're going to be relying on their pasty white bodies to mitigate the reflective loss of the polar ice caps.
 
2014-06-04 01:24:15 PM  
I assume even ol' Hair in the Fridge is beginning to sweat, despite, you know, the hair in the fridge. Also, he's a farking Nazi douchebag, so there's that.
 
2014-06-04 01:27:53 PM  
Because they're sitting on half a continent worth of unreached mineral deposits, and you have to melt all the permafrost to get to most of them. So, burn all the tar sands, mine all the gold and diamonds, and then they can go back to being frosty.
 
2014-06-04 01:33:51 PM  
Northern BC Today.... I wish the earth would heat up faster! img.fark.net
 
2014-06-04 01:49:40 PM  
Step 1) cut funding to climate research

Step 2) force all findings to be realyed through Prime Ministers Office, rather than directly from researchers to the public, thus controlling what is made public

Step 3) Deny climate change as there is no Scientific Consensus among (the remaining) Canadian Government researchers

Step 4) Push through legislation that benefits Oil Production companies, with little to no regard for environmental concerns

Step 5) retire from public office, work for Oil Company, or law firm attached to litigation involving Oil Companies

Step 6) PROFIT


/Did I miss anything?
 
2014-06-04 01:53:38 PM  

Ghost Roach: Step 1) cut funding to climate research

Step 2) force all findings to be realyed through Prime Ministers Office, rather than directly from researchers to the public, thus controlling what is made public

Step 3) Deny climate change as there is no Scientific Consensus among (the remaining) Canadian Government researchers

Step 4) Push through legislation that benefits Oil Production companies, with little to no regard for environmental concerns

Step 5) retire from public office, work for Oil Company, or law firm attached to litigation involving Oil Companies

Step 6) PROFIT


/Did I miss anything?


Load science department with science deniers.
 
2014-06-04 02:10:58 PM  
Galloping Galoshes:
You're local TV meteorologist is not a paleoclimatologist.

Neither are the folks who are spouting off the most about global warming.

For that matter, most of the guys who make the statistical computer models they rely on aren't actual computer scientists or statisticians, either.
 
2014-06-04 02:13:05 PM  

cirby: Galloping Galoshes:
You're local TV meteorologist is not a paleoclimatologist.

Neither are the folks who are spouting off the most about global warming.

For that matter, most of the guys who make the statistical computer models they rely on aren't actual computer scientists or statisticians, either.


All of this and then some.
 
2014-06-04 02:33:24 PM  
I don't know much about this situation, but if it's an attempt to stop the stupid "LOL IT'S COLD OUTSIDE SO NO GLOBAL WARMING HERPDERP!!!" then I heartily endorse it.
 
2014-06-04 02:36:14 PM  
cirby: Galloping Galoshes:
You're local TV meteorologist is not a paleoclimatologist.

Neither are the folks who are spouting off the most about global warming.

For that matter, most of the guys who make the statistical computer models they rely on aren't actual computer scientists or statisticians, either.
 I took science form Rush Limbaugh

We can tell, honey.
 
2014-06-04 02:58:59 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: cirby: Galloping Galoshes:
You're local TV meteorologist is not a paleoclimatologist.

Neither are the folks who are spouting off the most about global warming.

For that matter, most of the guys who make the statistical computer models they rely on aren't actual computer scientists or statisticians, either.

All of this and then some.


Computer models used to project climate change scenarios are by their very nature not statistical, as you need historical data for statistical models. Climate models are prognostic because they are started with a set of initial conditions, and then subsequent calculations are based on fundamental physics equations like conservation of mass, conservation of momentum, and the ideal gas law.

Oh, and the guys who work on the coding? They're often PhDs in applied physics or applied math.

cdn.hark.com
 
2014-06-04 03:02:05 PM  
Disturbing?

picture-cdn.wheretoget.it

Well, maybe.

To parts of me, anyway
 
2014-06-04 03:08:45 PM  

Lydia_C: Climate models are prognostic because they are started with a set of initial conditions, and then subsequent calculations are based on fundamental physics equations like conservation of mass, conservation of momentum, and the ideal gas law.


It's models all the way down
 
2014-06-04 03:21:51 PM  
How does painting Harper as a robotic bush wannabe pedo nazi whos out wants nothing more than to pack tar sands into the vaginas of innocent woodland creatures engender anyone to your point? 

The conservatives are far from perfect dont get me wrong -- but they seem to be a pretty typical canadian government so far. And lets not pretend that some of these bureaucracies aren't bloated and terribly partisan. People biatch and moan about how stuff like Environment or CBC are getting funding cut -- they dont see the gazzilion "executives" or middle management teams that are just burning through budgets and using their time and money pretty ineffectively. 

And frankly its pretty well known that speaking about something outside your area while representing the government is a big no no. 

The conservatives get allot of flack for their environment record. Lets not forget that after the liberals adopted Kyoto then sat on their thumbs. And then moaned and complained that the conservatives wanted to drop it.

I dont like the conservatives either but i also dont like the grits or the endeepee... The conservatives will play nice with your taxes and fark the accountability dog. The Libs will blow you for votes and then do nothing about their promises. The NDP will be nice and honest and take every ounce of tax dollars and shove it into a furnace. 

SumoJeb: Northern BC Today.... I wish the earth would heat up faster! [img.fark.net image 720x960]


Dawson Creek? My wife is working just east of Fort St John and she said its been snowing all day...
 
2014-06-04 03:31:10 PM  

Mantour: I_Am_Weasel: It's been known for some time.

It wasn't surprising, considering that Harper is a dick.

He's been trying con people by wearing sweater vests.  It hasn't worked.

He's a cat lover  and he will write back and show pics of them.  I think he's a Farker:

[wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com image 850x637]


You know he's got a whole office of people who write those letters for him, right?
 
2014-06-04 03:37:18 PM  

Lydia_C: Galloping Galoshes: cirby: Galloping Galoshes:
You're local TV meteorologist is not a paleoclimatologist.

Neither are the folks who are spouting off the most about global warming.

For that matter, most of the guys who make the statistical computer models they rely on aren't actual computer scientists or statisticians, either.

All of this and then some.

Computer models used to project climate change scenarios are by their very nature not statistical, as you need historical data for statistical models. Climate models are prognostic because they are started with a set of initial conditions, and then subsequent calculations are based on fundamental physics equations like conservation of mass, conservation of momentum, and the ideal gas law.

Oh, and the guys who work on the coding? They're often PhDs in applied physics or applied math.


Umm. No. Climate models are not based on sound physical processes. They are built around assumptions of feedback loops that are still not well understood. Cloud formation, as an example, is not modeled bit is factored into a feedback loop constant. The modeling is not rigorously defined based in physics.

In fact the models are based more on statistics and assumptions than on actual physical processes.

The more you know indeed.
 
2014-06-04 03:37:59 PM  

mikefinch: How does painting Harper as a robotic bush wannabe pedo nazi whos out wants nothing more than to pack tar sands into the vaginas of innocent woodland creatures engender anyone to your point? 

The conservatives are far from perfect dont get me wrong -- but they seem to be a pretty typical canadian government so far. And lets not pretend that some of these bureaucracies aren't bloated and terribly partisan. People biatch and moan about how stuff like Environment or CBC are getting funding cut -- they dont see the gazzilion "executives" or middle management teams that are just burning through budgets and using their time and money pretty ineffectively. 

And frankly its pretty well known that speaking about something outside your area while representing the government is a big no no. 

The conservatives get allot of flack for their environment record. Lets not forget that after the liberals adopted Kyoto then sat on their thumbs. And then moaned and complained that the conservatives wanted to drop it.

I dont like the conservatives either but i also dont like the grits or the endeepee... The conservatives will play nice with your taxes and fark the accountability dog. The Libs will blow you for votes and then do nothing about their promises. The NDP will be nice and honest and take every ounce of tax dollars and shove it into a furnace. 

SumoJeb: Northern BC Today.... I wish the earth would heat up faster! [img.fark.net image 720x960]

Dawson Creek? My wife is working just east of Fort St John and she said its been snowing all day...


close by. Chetwynd, BC.
 
2014-06-04 03:44:02 PM  

SumoJeb: close by. Chetwynd, BC.


POWDER KING! Sweet deal. You got some snowboarding to do!
 
2014-06-04 03:58:51 PM  
MyRandomName:

Umm. No. Climate models are not based on sound physical processes. They are built around assumptions of feedback loops that are still not well understood. Cloud formation, as an example, is not modeled bit is factored into a feedback loop constant. The modeling is not rigorously defined based in physics.

In fact the models are based more on statistics and assumptions than on actual physical processes.

The more you know indeed.


Umm. No.

Given that I work down the hall from a bunch of people who do model development, and I use the models on a regular basis myself, I have a pretty intimate view of the model development process. While there are parameterizations in every climate model (i.e., modules that are designed to emulate observations where the physics are not yet totally clear, as with clouds), the whole point of using prognostic climate models is that you're relying on physics knowledge to let the model calculate specific quantities like temperature and sea level pressure (and several hundred more) in each grid box in every layer at a given time step before "sending" that information to neighboring grid boxes and between layers for the next set of calculations. A single 100-year simulation from a coupled ocean-atmosphere model of reasonably high resolution of produces terabytes of output, the result of billions of calculations.

Model development is an ongoing process because we know that there's always improvements that can be made, just like anything that's engineered (motors, bridges, materials - hell, even computer processors).

If you're actually interested in learning something about models instead of repeating the talking points you've heard from a "skeptics" blog or Fox News, I'd be happy to talk further. If you'd rather just repeat things you don't seem to understand (this statement: "Cloud formation, as an example, is not modeled bit is factored into a feedback loop constant." is gibberish, by the way), then I'll know not to try to disturb your mental rest further.
 
2014-06-04 03:59:05 PM  

mikefinch: SumoJeb: close by. Chetwynd, BC.

POWDER KING! Sweet deal. You got some snowboarding to do!


I got a 180 hp mountain sled. No need for skis or a ski lift ;)
 
2014-06-04 04:34:29 PM  

Lydia_C: this statement: "Cloud formation, as an example, is not modeled bit is factored into a feedback loop constant." is gibberish, by the way


It makes sense if you're thinking of something simple like an energy balance model ...
 
2014-06-04 04:58:03 PM  

Flappyhead: Well I hope you're used to it because until Justin "The Legacy" stops pulling publicity stunts and starts telling people what he's actually going to do as PM we're stuck with Mr Roboto.


I'd rather take my chances with anyone else but the Conservatives.  Minority or Coalition Lib/NDP gov't would be my choice.
 
2014-06-04 05:59:23 PM  
God dammit, Harp-

UncomfortableSilence: At first I was thinking, Canada, no don't listen to us.  But then I read the article.  Seems to me letting experts in the field rather than any random scientist with an opinion on the topic to speak for the government, might be a wise decision.


Oh.

/still, god dammit, Harper
//really, REALLY hoping  SevenIzGuddoesn't show up here
 
2014-06-04 06:14:55 PM  
No TPB references?  For shame.
 
2014-06-04 06:40:23 PM  
And in the US we have the President going on TV with the weather reporter who thinks a real news story consists of the amusing anecdote about the time he pooped his pants at the White House.
 
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