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2014-06-04 09:07:23 AM  
The article doesn't quantify how bathrooms are "the most expensive room in the house" Cost of construction? Maintenance/upkeep, water?  I don't get it - as someone pointed out, the kitchen is WAY more expensive.  At any rate, I suppose the "tree hugger" author is probably a "if it's yellow let it mellow" type - I knew one of those once - freakin GROSS.

I found the linked account of 43% of new home buyers using cash more intriguing.
 
2014-06-04 09:09:47 AM  
FTA: " Danielle points out that most of the people buying houses in the States are doing it with cash, so we are talking mostly about the 1% driving the single family house market these days..."


Forget the bathrooms, that statement warrants an article by itself.
 
2014-06-04 09:13:39 AM  
Bathrooms more expensive than kitchens? I guess if you tried hard enough you could spend a lot on them but a kitchen will really grab hold of your wallet.
 
2014-06-04 09:14:05 AM  
Well, having a stupid system where practically everyone in society goes to work at the same time means everyone in the house needs to use a bathroom during the same small window of time.
 
2014-06-04 09:14:26 AM  
I guess you need extra toilets too if you're breeding spastic dorks that have to be strapped in to do their business.
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2014-06-04 09:15:46 AM  
Growing up in a house with 4 kids, 2 parents, and one invalid grandmother and having only 1.5 bathrooms, yes, three bathrooms ARE needed.

Since I moved out on my own, I have had at least 2 bathrooms.  I don't need 2 bathrooms for myself, but one for when I have family over and one for myself.  I never want to have to wait in line for a toilet again.

Some luxuries don't have a price.
 
2014-06-04 09:17:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: One off the living room (for guests). One connected to the master bedroom. One for general use at the other end of the upstairs hall.

That's the bare minimum, unless you live in a studio apartment the size of a shoebox.

You'd also want one in the garage, if possible. And one connected to the guest bedroom for their privacy.

So 5 bathrooms are needed as a minimum for a typical home. I'm not sure why anyone's trying to insinuate that having three is somehow wasteful.


I am not sure why anyone is trying to dictate how many bathrooms somebody should be allowed to have.
 
2014-06-04 09:17:11 AM  
The article claims it's the 1% driving things but personally I'd say it's poverty. How many people are splitting houses instead of apartments now because it's all they can afford? You get one couple per bedroom in a 3/4 bedroom house and you're going to need more than one bathroom.

All you need is more than 3 people to catch diahrrea in a house with one toilet and I guarantee you someone's shiatting in the sink.
 
2014-06-04 09:17:27 AM  

sethen320: FTA: " Danielle points out that most of the people buying houses in the States are doing it with cash, so we are talking mostly about the 1% driving the single family house market these days..."


Forget the bathrooms, that statement warrants an article by itself.


Ya I've noticed a lot of homes selling in my neighborhood that are immediately used for renters...not home owners.

I don't know, I kinda find that whole thing distasteful.  Just makes prices rise and prevents actual people from wanting to become home owners from doing so, while the rich get richer as they basically make money from every house they are currently screwing people over with.

2 FB 1 HB.  One bathroom upstairs, half bath near the living room, and another full in the basement for guests.
 
2014-06-04 09:19:39 AM  
Most expensive room in the house is subjective based on what you do.

Kitchen, can be done cheaply with $200 appliances or for 10s of thousands with the right stuff.

Living room, if thats your entertainment space the dollars can add up rapidly

Foyer, again dressed out can be costly

Garage, can equal the cost of the house if you are a car collector / mechanic

Bathroom, it can get up there but third in line from my view.

For me, the cheapest rooms in the house are bedrooms.

Here is my personal ranking from most expensive to cheapest.

Garage
Kitchen

Living Room
Bathroom
Foyer
Bedrooms
Pantry
 
2014-06-04 09:21:25 AM  
My takeaway is that the amount of bathrooms you need seems to be dependent on the number of people who live in your house and the frequency with which you have guests.
My wife and I have a house built in the '30's with 2.3 bathrooms. We each get our own, and the .3 bathroom is the for the cats.

/it's just a toilet in the basement with a stall around it.
 
2014-06-04 09:21:50 AM  

Shadowe: The article claims it's the 1% driving things but personally I'd say it's poverty. How many people are splitting houses instead of apartments now because it's all they can afford? You get one couple per bedroom in a 3/4 bedroom house and you're going to need more than one bathroom.

All you need is more than 3 people to catch diahrrea in a house with one toilet and I guarantee you someone's shiatting in the sink.


No, I really think its a case of people buying out tons of homes and renting them out.  Like I said, out of my neighborhood of 30 something homes, at least 50% or more are renters, and a lot of the houses have been sold recently and then become rental properties.

You know why I was able to buy my home there?

Because we found out there was nearly 10 grand in repairs needed to all the pipes in the house immediately after we bought it and I learned everytime I took a crap (which is often due to my Crohn's) it was kicking back up into my basement.  And every shower leaked into the walls.

Basically the house was only sold because the asshole previous owner didn't want to do maintenance.
 
2014-06-04 09:27:39 AM  
As a contractor specializing in bathrooms, I will say that yes, absolutely you need three.  Five if you can find the space.
 
2014-06-04 09:27:48 AM  

Shadowe: The article claims it's the 1% driving things but personally I'd say it's poverty. How many people are splitting houses instead of apartments now because it's all they can afford? You get one couple per bedroom in a 3/4 bedroom house and you're going to need more than one bathroom.

All you need is more than 3 people to catch diahrrea in a house with one toilet and I guarantee you someone's shiatting in the sink.

skiboshspauldingadventures.com
Somehow that reminded me of the bathrooms at the brewhauses in Germany.  They figure that one out.  You could dump a bucket of golf balls in the sink and it wouldn't plug.
 
2014-06-04 09:29:31 AM  
We only have one bathroom for my wife and I and our two boys.  It's definitely not enough.  Most days it works fine since our kids our still young and my wife and I don't get ready for work at the same time.  We remodeled it last year, though, and doing that to the only bathroom in the house was not an easy project.  I had to wait until the wife and kids were out of town for a week.  I was peeing in the back yard and visiting the library down the street much more frequently than normal that week.
 
2014-06-04 09:29:36 AM  
Depends on what you mean by "need".

I am the sixth of seven children in my family.  Three boys, four girls.  Two parents, male and female.  For a six year stretch all nine of us were in one house, plus my geriatric maternal Grandmother.

Did we "need" three bathrooms?  I don't know.  But it sure seemed like three wasn't enough a lot of the time!
 
2014-06-04 09:29:39 AM  

Hagbardr: One communal bath house per block for shiats and showers. Used milk jugs when you need to piss.


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2014-06-04 09:29:43 AM  

doglover: doglover: Trailltrader: If bathrooms are the most expensive in the house then someone can't do math.

If your bathroom ISN'T the most expensive room in the house, you're doing it wrong.

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You see that? Those are diamonds.

Tywin Lannister is derisively said to shiat gold by his detractors. Whether he does or doesn't, I still want a toilet he'd be willing to use. Any old fire will cook food, and a fridge just has to be cold, but a toilet is a man's throne.


So you want a metal toilet with random edges and points sticking out that cut you when you sit on it?
 
2014-06-04 09:30:35 AM  
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Which is why if you live with a woman, you need at least two bathrooms.
 
2014-06-04 09:30:56 AM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: As a contractor specializing in bathrooms, I will say that yes, absolutely you need three.  Five if you can find the space.


Not that you have a personal stake in that...
 
2014-06-04 09:32:42 AM  
How many bathrooms did the Brady's have?

Really, how many?  Didn't all 6 kids share a bathroom?

There were 9 people in that house.  I'm assuming there was a master bathroom and hopefully Alice had her own too, but did they ever use those bathrooms?

RIP Anne B. Davis.
 
2014-06-04 09:34:13 AM  

Trailltrader: If bathrooms are the most expensive in the house then someone can't do math.  Add up the price of the refrigerator, the stove, the microwave, the cabinets, the vent over the stove, and someone failed basic math in the 7th grade as compared to a sink, a toilet and a bath/shower.


This.....also "Yes" I farking do need three
 
2014-06-04 09:36:07 AM  
Maybe most expensive *per square foot*?
 
2014-06-04 09:40:22 AM  

Gulper Eel: My son and I could do with one of these, though...a proper floor-to-shoulder gigantic robber-baron urinal with plenty of space on top to rest your pint or whisky-glass


I have a friend with one of those in the garage, behind a pair of louvered doors. Next to the Porsche and whatever his current luxury sedan is. I think the place has at least 3 full baths.
 
2014-06-04 09:41:50 AM  
By the time I'm done with my luxury master bath remodel, it will be the most expensive room in the house. Doing it myself, so I'm saving thousands. Even then, it's gonna be north of $10K. Would probably have been 25-30K if I'd hired a pro.
 
2014-06-04 09:47:25 AM  

Crudbucket: We just moved into a new apartment and the bathrooms are carpeted. I don't farking get it.


It is easier to lay down cheap carpet than replace ugly tile.

My girlfriend lived with her parents in a house that had carpet in the kitchen.
 
2014-06-04 09:49:12 AM  
Having 4 kitchens is really expensive, but you really need them with sleepovers, 3 daughters, dogs and cats.
 
2014-06-04 09:49:53 AM  

hasty ambush: AverageAmericanGuy: One off the living room (for guests). One connected to the master bedroom. One for general use at the other end of the upstairs hall.

That's the bare minimum, unless you live in a studio apartment the size of a shoebox.

You'd also want one in the garage, if possible. And one connected to the guest bedroom for their privacy.

So 5 bathrooms are needed as a minimum for a typical home. I'm not sure why anyone's trying to insinuate that having three is somehow wasteful.

I am not sure why anyone is trying to dictate how many bathrooms somebody should be allowed to have.


I'm sure someone will come up with a way to tax your excessive bathrooms.  If they can tax you for the rain that falls on your roof (Maryland) then a Tinkle Tax is not out of the question.
 
2014-06-04 09:52:30 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: hasty ambush: AverageAmericanGuy: One off the living room (for guests). One connected to the master bedroom. One for general use at the other end of the upstairs hall.

That's the bare minimum, unless you live in a studio apartment the size of a shoebox.

You'd also want one in the garage, if possible. And one connected to the guest bedroom for their privacy.

So 5 bathrooms are needed as a minimum for a typical home. I'm not sure why anyone's trying to insinuate that having three is somehow wasteful.

I am not sure why anyone is trying to dictate how many bathrooms somebody should be allowed to have.

I'm sure someone will come up with a way to tax your excessive bathrooms.  If they can tax you for the rain that falls on your roof (Maryland) then a Tinkle Tax is not out of the question.


Bathrooms do change assessments, at least here in Michigan.
 
2014-06-04 09:52:55 AM  
Replaced the downstairs toilet last month. Didn't need to, wife wanted it replaced. we have one half bath next to the guest bedroom downstairs, ife and I have one at the master bedroom, son has one outside his room. I figure, we have 3 toilets, 3 people in the house. makes sense to me. Probably just me.
 
2014-06-04 09:53:10 AM  
Just my wife and me. Two bathrooms. Bliss.
 
2014-06-04 09:53:41 AM  

valkore: EvilEgg: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572782/You-need-sit-The-10-0 0 0-heated-toilet-does-away-toilet-paper.html


I like to poop in style

Looks like it's talking:

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Feed me, Seymour (Butts)!


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2014-06-04 09:56:51 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The laundry sink in the basement counts as a urinal, right?


No.  But the floor drains are fair game.
 
2014-06-04 09:59:11 AM  
This is one of the rare times when I believe I would find a mommy blogger to have a more enlightened and realistic view on the topic than an "expert".
 
2014-06-04 10:03:40 AM  
We have too many damn bathrooms in the house we bought. Master bath off our master bed room, half bath in the hall off the kitchen for guests. Full bath upstairs, and a full bath in between the kids room and guest bedroom.. So 3 1/2. But it's technically a 5 bed room home (4 + office).
 
2014-06-04 10:10:48 AM  

gfid: How many bathrooms did the Brady's have?

Really, how many?  Didn't all 6 kids share a bathroom?

There were 9 people in that house.  I'm assuming there was a master bathroom and hopefully Alice had her own too, but did they ever use those bathrooms?

RIP Anne B. Davis.


The kids had a Jack and Jill bathroom..

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WGJ
2014-06-04 10:13:46 AM  
It just ain't right for a man to shiat inside his own house.
 
2014-06-04 10:17:58 AM  

senoy: It'd occasionally be nice to have another toilet since our teenage daughter apparently thinks that a short shower is roughly two years long, but other than that, it's really not a big deal.


Low flow shower heads that point straight down and can't be angled work well for shortening teenager showers.

Hint: It's not about cleanliness.
 
2014-06-04 10:18:26 AM  

adm_crunch: By the time I'm done with my luxury master bath remodel, it will be the most expensive room in the house. Doing it myself, so I'm saving thousands. Even then, it's gonna be north of $10K. Would probably have been 25-30K if I'd hired a pro.


Wait until you do the kitchen. $10k is what I spent on the granite counters. Don't get me started on the cabinets and appliances.
 
2014-06-04 10:23:14 AM  

senoy: Our house was built in 1929 and has a single bathroom for me, my wife and our 3 kids. We thought about putting in another one, but we don't want to steal any of our living space away. It's rarely a big deal. It'd occasionally be nice to have another toilet since our teenage daughter apparently thinks that a short shower is roughly two years long, but other than that, it's really not a big deal.

What people fail to understand is that the more bathrooms you have, the more bathrooms you have to clean. Unless you're one of the 1% who can hire someone to do it for you, five bathrooms is a heck of a lot of toilet scrubbing to do every week. Our last house was a two bathroom affair and it was a serious pain to have to clean them both every week.


You have a teenage daughter!  What's all this talk about "hiring" someone to clean the bathrooms?
 
2014-06-04 10:24:07 AM  

EvilEgg: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572782/You-need-sit-The-10-0 0 0-heated-toilet-does-away-toilet-paper.html


I like to poop in style


I think they're missing the point when they say you don't need toilet paper.  Water spray is supposed to be used in combination with toilet paper, not replacing it.  If you changed the oil in your car, and got oil, grease, and dirt all over your hands, would you just wipe off your hands with a dry paper towel? NO!  You'd use some water.  Maybe some soap too.  Only then would you use the paper towel.  Why do we treat assholes differently?  Dry paper only is pretty gross.
 
2014-06-04 10:24:39 AM  
I'm taking notes. Our two bathrooms are at least 30 years past their useful life. The grout is disintegrating, the pipes are failing, and in general lots of stuff I won't be able to afford to fix :/
 
2014-06-04 10:29:17 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: One bathroom and a random toilet in the middle of an unfinished basement is more than acceptable.


I've got one of those!
 
2014-06-04 10:34:00 AM  
Those "3" bathrooms are really just 1 bathroom plus eight 0.25 sinks (0.25 bathroom).

Hrm, that is a flaw in the way the number of bathrooms is calculated.  They should do it like this:

sink ("S")= 1
sink + toliet ('"ST") = 3
shower + sink + toliet ("SST")= 5
full bath + sink + toliet ("FST") = 7


Hrm, then an FST + SST = 4 * ST .  Probably should increase the range of those numbers.
 
2014-06-04 10:36:17 AM  

Yellow Beard: adm_crunch: By the time I'm done with my luxury master bath remodel, it will be the most expensive room in the house. Doing it myself, so I'm saving thousands. Even then, it's gonna be north of $10K. Would probably have been 25-30K if I'd hired a pro.

Wait until you do the kitchen. $10k is what I spent on the granite counters. Don't get me started on the cabinets and appliances.


Yeah, I thought that was hilarious.  I think I just spent north of a grand just to paint cabinets, add a backsplash, and change the sink.  A full gut and proper re-layout / renew with cabinets, stone, tile, new appliances, and a hint of structural work would be north of $30k -- if I DIY'ed _everything_.  And that's without gas plumbing in the equation (unfortunately).

Kitchen wins for cost -- with one caveat.  If you have anything resembling taste or an eye for quality *and* a real tile store (not some "Tile Store(TM)" or big box), you can get in trouble *fast*.  "Ooooh... that's nice..." < flip over sample card > "$75 a square?!"  Of course, the kitchen needs tile, too, but baths just seem like the place to use (a) a lot of (b) expensive tile, where the kitchen feels more appropriate to slap down builder grade stuff with a few high-end pieces thrown in, but YMMV.  I could see spending more in a bath if you care about tile and tub/faucet stuff more than appliances, but I have a hard time thinking there are many people who want a high end bath and cheap-o appliances / kitchen finishes.

If you're one to fall down the rabbit hole of pointless expense, it's way easier to spend more in the kitchen.  But both can become ridiculous money holes.

Someone tried to break into my house a while back:  I am not entirely kidding when I say I feel like hanging up signs saying, "the most expensive thing in this house is the tile cemented to the wall in the shower, dumbasses.  Good luck even moving that, let alone pawning it."

Of course, if you're an audiophile with more money than sense, the home theater wins the Stupid Amount Of Money contest by *leaps*and*bounds*, but that's a different topic.

As for numbers of baths... after reading this thread, I think it's all about what you're used to (like so many things!).  I spent the *vast* majority of my adult life in one-bath housing situations, so having two now seems to be both a luxury and an unnecessary pain in the ass.  I imagine it's a different game with kids, though.  Even then, two seems like enough, but to each their own.

/ would rather spend more on the garage than anywhere else, but that's still a project for another day
 
2014-06-04 10:36:28 AM  
I spent more on the bathroom than I did on my kitchen. Mainly because of partial paralysis --I need a walk-in tub and a toto bidet. Best money I ever spent. I recommend that setup to all, fully-limbed or not.
 
2014-06-04 10:37:15 AM  

adm_crunch: By the time I'm done with my luxury master bath remodel, it will be the most expensive room in the house. Doing it myself, so I'm saving thousands. Even then, it's gonna be north of $10K. Would probably have been 25-30K if I'd hired a pro.


Your kitchen must be a real shiat hole. Just cabinets, countertops, and flooring on a small kitchen would be more than 10,000. That does not include anything else.
 
2014-06-04 10:39:28 AM  

StopLurkListen: I'm taking notes. Our two bathrooms are at least 30 years past their useful life. The grout is disintegrating, the pipes are failing, and in general lots of stuff I won't be able to afford to fix :/


Careful.  I've done one and a half of those (one half measure to stop the onslaught of time; one full redo), and "we can reskin / renew" *quickly* becomes, "Crap.  We have to gut the whole thing and replace *everything*."

And if your grout is failing / unmaintained, your mold problem may be enormous.

Good luck!
 
2014-06-04 10:40:14 AM  

Trailltrader: If bathrooms are the most expensive in the house then someone can't do math.  Add up the price of the refrigerator, the stove, the microwave, the cabinets, the vent over the stove, and someone failed basic math in the 7th grade as compared to a sink, a toilet and a bath/shower.


Actually the bath and kitchen are a coin toss as to which is more expensive. Normally the appliances are not part of the construction cost, they are by definition a non-permanent part of the building.

That leaves electrical, hvac, plumbing and gas. Depending on the size of the two rooms I would say that a cramped bathroom would give any kitchen a run for its money.
 
2014-06-04 10:41:16 AM  
My thoughts on the matter are that you need one toilet per floor +1 for main bedroom. Most houses in my area have finished basements. That means a 1 story house should have 3 toilets. However almost all new construction is two story houses (cheaper per sq ft than 1story) which means 4 toilets.

I don't care if the toilet is in a half bath, three quarter bath, or full bath (with a family I would recommend 2 showers at least).

I think we can all agree 1/4 baths are disgusting. Wash your damn hands!
 
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