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(Popular Science)   Do you know how much pleasure you are losing by not smoking? Potably not   (popsci.com) divider line 22
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2014-06-04 10:13:55 AM  
If pleasure is a factor for determining policies made by the FDA, I can think of several things which I would find much more pleasurable than e-cig smoke.

/LSD
 
2014-06-04 12:01:25 PM  
InterruptingQuirk:

And we're done here.  I'll get the lights.
 
2014-06-04 12:13:06 PM  
Meanwhile, we'd like to take a moment to think about what other cost-benefit calculations lost pleasure should play into. Regulating soda sizes? Restrictions on illegal drugs? Abstinence-only sex ed??

Let's see here.

1. Don't care right now, I don't live there.
2. Yes, especially with the BS of our Schedule 1 drug that seems to be kind of popular nowadays.
3. Definately. If you could teach people who are going to have sex anyway to use a damn condom I wouldn't have to deal with listening to their unwanted fark trophies.
 
2014-06-04 12:25:40 PM  
I don't care, just give me my farking smokes before I strangle somebody!
 
2014-06-04 12:35:39 PM  

Vash's Apprentice: I don't care, just give me my farking smokes before I strangle somebody!


How much pleasure are you losing by not strangling somebody?
 
2014-06-04 12:46:38 PM  
I occasionally smoke a pipe.  It's very relaxing.  I know it's bad for me, even though I only indulge infrequently.
 
2014-06-04 01:30:01 PM  

miniflea: I occasionally smoke a pipe.  It's very relaxing.  I know it's bad for me, even though I only indulge infrequently.


Is pipe tobacco adulturated with the same stuff cigarette tobacco is?
 
2014-06-04 01:41:47 PM  

Nogale: miniflea: I occasionally smoke a pipe.  It's very relaxing.  I know it's bad for me, even though I only indulge infrequently.

Is pipe tobacco adulturated with the same stuff cigarette tobacco is?


My understanding is that pipe tobacco is a lot closer to being just plain old tobacco than cigarettes are but I don't actually know what if any additives are used or which varieties do or don't put stuff in.
 
2014-06-04 01:58:40 PM  

miniflea: Nogale: miniflea: I occasionally smoke a pipe.  It's very relaxing.  I know it's bad for me, even though I only indulge infrequently.

Is pipe tobacco adulturated with the same stuff cigarette tobacco is?

My understanding is that pipe tobacco is a lot closer to being just plain old tobacco than cigarettes are but I don't actually know what if any additives are used or which varieties do or don't put stuff in.


It depends on what you get. I think there's a good bit of alcohol in Cavendish for instance. At least used in the process. Obviously it's gone before you take in any smoke.

I don't doubt the percentage value they gave smoking. I used to smoke 2 packs a day and enjoyed the crap out of each and every one of those cigarettes. However, I don't miss the frequent bronchitis, the morning phlegm bombs I'd cough up each morning into the shower, the forced endurance of harsh weather (good luck keeping that cigarette dry in this downpour!), the horrible feeling you get when you can't smoke for awhile, or the drain on my wallet.
 
2014-06-04 02:11:05 PM  

miniflea: Nogale: miniflea: I occasionally smoke a pipe.  It's very relaxing.  I know it's bad for me, even though I only indulge infrequently.

Is pipe tobacco adulturated with the same stuff cigarette tobacco is?

My understanding is that pipe tobacco is a lot closer to being just plain old tobacco than cigarettes are but I don't actually know what if any additives are used or which varieties do or don't put stuff in.


Unless it's infused, pipe and cigar tobacco are unadulterated, aside from any chemicals used in the growing process. Cigarette tobacco, from RJR or PM or other Big Tobacco, has tons of additives. Formaldehyde to increase the effects of the nicotine, thus adding to nicotine addiction, and gunpowder residue in the paper to make the cigarette burn faster are pretty standard additives. The cigarettes with the least amount of alterations would be imports and small chain products like Nat Shermans. But, Big Tobacco has subverted the FDA and used them to put restrictions that really only affect the imports and small producers. Example: the FDA banned flavored cigarettes several years ago 'for the children', with the exception of menthols. That hit import companies like Kryteck and small US manufacturers, but didn't affect Big Tobacco companies at all. Convenient, that.
 
2014-06-04 02:21:11 PM  
Are they offsetting the pleasure of a smoke with the displeasure of cravings, or being short of breath, or losing the ability to speak, or the pain of cancer, or...
 
2014-06-04 02:22:03 PM  
Unless they factor in the annoyance from second hand smoke everyone else suffers, these calculations are invalid.
 
2014-06-04 03:10:18 PM  
Is it pleasure or just temporary relief from the physical effects of your addiction?
 
2014-06-04 03:28:36 PM  

Nogale: miniflea: I occasionally smoke a pipe.  It's very relaxing.  I know it's bad for me, even though I only indulge infrequently.

Is pipe tobacco adulturated with the same stuff cigarette tobacco is?


Who cares? The smoke is poisonous, whether they add anything to it or not.

/Always find myself suppressing a guffaw when I see some dipshiat buying a pack of American Spirits.
//Former cigar smoker.
 
2014-06-04 03:53:12 PM  
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2014-06-04 05:03:54 PM  
Now all they have to do is factor in the fun and pleasure of COPD and cancer.
 
2014-06-04 07:07:47 PM  

bingethinker: Is it pleasure or just temporary relief from the physical effects of your addiction?


Tough to say.  I'm a smoker (and a very respectful one at that, I'll always move far away from people when smoking in public).  I'm addicted to rituals of all kinds, and somewhat OCD... it helps with that.

Of course its stupid, and of course there is some form of addiction to the drug.  But for me its more about the ritual.  I can go watch a three hour movie and not have a hankering for a cig.  I can have my in-laws over and not smoke in front of them for hours into the night.  But when I'm doing my daily stuff, I smoke like a chimney.  But I don't really suffer withdrawals all that much.

Everyone is different- I'm sure there are other heavy smokers who get fidgety if they go without a cig for an hour.
 
2014-06-04 07:11:14 PM  

bingethinker: Is it pleasure or just temporary relief from the physical effects of your addiction?


Also, to answer your question directly... I think "pleasure" is the wrong word.  I don't get a big smile on my face (for lack of a better phrase) from smoking a cig.   Its just a habit.

(and to reiterate: yeah, its stupid)
 
2014-06-04 07:36:35 PM  

downstairs: I don't get a big smile on my face (for lack of a better phrase) from smoking a cig. Its just a habit.


I don't smile during sex either, does that mean I'm not enjoying it?

/hint: facial expression has nothing to do with how much pleasure you're getting out of something
 
2014-06-04 09:27:02 PM  

downstairs: bingethinker: Is it pleasure or just temporary relief from the physical effects of your addiction?

Tough to say.  I'm a smoker (and a very respectful one at that, I'll always move far away from people when smoking in public).  I'm addicted to rituals of all kinds, and somewhat OCD... it helps with that.

Of course its stupid, and of course there is some form of addiction to the drug.  But for me its more about the ritual.  I can go watch a three hour movie and not have a hankering for a cig.  I can have my in-laws over and not smoke in front of them for hours into the night.  But when I'm doing my daily stuff, I smoke like a chimney.  But I don't really suffer withdrawals all that much.

Everyone is different- I'm sure there are other heavy smokers who get fidgety if they go without a cig for an hour.


Yeah, I get it. A friend of mine noticed that he was using cigarettes as sort of a dividing line between tasks. He'd finish one thing, smoke a cigarette, then start on the next job. He didn't really need the cigarette, it was just his habit to break up his day that way.
 
2014-06-04 11:05:17 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: miniflea: Nogale: miniflea: I occasionally smoke a pipe.  It's very relaxing.  I know it's bad for me, even though I only indulge infrequently.

Is pipe tobacco adulturated with the same stuff cigarette tobacco is?

My understanding is that pipe tobacco is a lot closer to being just plain old tobacco than cigarettes are but I don't actually know what if any additives are used or which varieties do or don't put stuff in.

Unless it's infused, pipe and cigar tobacco are unadulterated, aside from any chemicals used in the growing process. Cigarette tobacco, from RJR or PM or other Big Tobacco, has tons of additives. Formaldehyde to increase the effects of the nicotine, thus adding to nicotine addiction, and gunpowder residue in the paper to make the cigarette burn faster are pretty standard additives. The cigarettes with the least amount of alterations would be imports and small chain products like Nat Shermans. But, Big Tobacco has subverted the FDA and used them to put restrictions that really only affect the imports and small producers. Example: the FDA banned flavored cigarettes several years ago 'for the children', with the exception of menthols. That hit import companies like Kryteck and small US manufacturers, but didn't affect Big Tobacco companies at all. Convenient, that.


Here's what the CDC says about those "flavored cigarettes", at least the ones I'm most familiar with:  http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/tobacco_indust r y/bidis_kreteks/
My own anecdotal "evidence" is that when cloves had a certain popularity with high school kids, some people smoked too many of them, like 20 a day. A couple years of that would have you coughing blood. It would take 2 or 3 decades to fark yourself up that bad with a pack-a-day Marlboro habit.
 
2014-06-05 08:10:53 AM  

InterruptingQuirk: If pleasure is a factor for determining policies made by the FDA, I can think of several things which I would find much more pleasurable than e-cig smoke.

/LSD


yup.
 
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