Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.
Rising Ape: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.Dr. was a religious & academic title before physicians adopted it (the original English word for a medical practitioner being "leech"). In fact it comes from the Latin word for "teacher",Insisting on it non-professionally is a bit pretentious, but that's true for medical doctors too.
Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.^ This. If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.
UtileDysfunktion: Queen Latifah isn't really a queen, either.
lamecomedian: This is my favorite part:"Maya Angelou's work and words were a mainstay of my childhood. I vividly remember my mother's copy of "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" lying around the house....Even though I didn't read "Caged Bird" until college"
sigdiamond2000: If you think an honorary doctorate doesn't give Maya Angelou the right to call herself "Doctor," that's a perfectly legitimate opinion.If your first reaction to Maya Angelou's death is pointing out that she's "not a real doctor," you're probably a racist.
borg: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.What about a DDS or DVM ?
I Browse: Kope:Seriously - you can name the most innocuous, nicest, classiest famous, accomplished black person you can, and someone out there is trying to tear them down.Sadly, you're probably right. I've been sitting here for like five minutes trying to think of another famous black person who would be universally respected. I dunno...Crispus Attucks maybe?
ikanreed: I don't know why I bother.
Boxcutta: demarke: FLMountainMan: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.Yep. So is signing "Esq." (unless you really need to emphasize or clarify that you are writing the letter as a legal representative for someone)As an Esq, I totally agree.Not only that, but it is grammatically incorrect to refer to yourself as Esquire. Rather, in the US it may (and should) be used when addressing another attorney. Here in the Northeast, it's commonplace, however.http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/06/is-it-proper-to-refer-to-o ne self-as-esq.html
topcon: DROxINxTHExWIND: topcon: *Another post about hating something associated with black people*Ok. We get it.It must suck constantly getting the equivalent of gold stars (to use someone's analogy) based purely on your race. Put Maya Angelou's poetry in a vacuum detached from the person who wrote it and no one would care about it.
untaken_name: Snarfangel: I think only philosophers should be granted Ph.D's.What *is* a philosopher, really?
Snarfangel: I think only philosophers should be granted Ph.D's.
Hermione_Granger: This thread...not exactly a bastion of tolerance now is it?Some days I really hate Fark. This is one of them.
ikanreed: lamecomedian: "You don't get to deny people a title on the basis of how much you like their work. "That is literally what dissertation committees do. Of course, Maya Angelou wouldn't know anything about that.No, it isn't. But that gross simplification and raising yourself to the rank of an expert when many experts already granted her the title you're petulantly arguing over does seem kind of shiatty.
ikanreed: you can believe something is bad and still engage in it as a minor personal flaw. Being an active proponent of bad things is worse.
someonelse: UtileDysfunktion: Queen Latifah isn't really a queen, either.And Prince Fielder isn't really a fielder.
ikanreed: stonicus: ikanreed: This text is now purple: American schools started to award Ph.D.s in 1861. When did Ben Franklin die? When did Maya Angelou die?Oh, right, because degrees earned post-death are definitely the most respected, overall. This makes the argument even weaker, not stronger. God, it's like every paper I've read about symbolic racism encoded into totally self-deluded forum posts was full of shiatFTFYOh, good to know that you deny basic observable facts about racial bias, that have been recorded through academic proceedings. Now we can understand that you're just straight-up pro-racism.
Wook: Seriously folks, aside from being a podium piece for leftist self-proclaimed intellectuals and politicians, I'm going out on a limb to suggest that less than a few in a hundred of you even have read any of her poetry. But please go ahead and climb on the wagon.So how long until she replaces the Dali Lama as a bumper sticker for Prius drivers?
lamecomedian: ikanreed: stonicus: Well, nobody, even us, likes being called out. I am sure you wouldn't like it if we started pointing out how anti-semitic you've been in this thread.Oh no. I know how much it stings when the KKK accuses me of being a Nazi. Seriously? You think I go: "Oh no, that accusation rings true and isn't some insane attempt to divert discussion with purposeful intent"Look. You have made a very clear argument that identifies your position without ambiguity. "Franklin was a great man because of his accomplishments, but for [personal reasons we promise aren't fundamentally racist, in spite of overwhelming-no-really-shut-the-fark-up-this-is-a-point-not-up-for-de b ate evidence, Angelou isn't]."I was the one who made the point about Franklin. Try and keep up.
lamecomedian: This comic was written about you.
stonicus: ikanreed: Nice makeout session you two:"You're the non-racist guy""No you're right and you're the non racist guy""Your incorrect opinion is right""Oooh now give me a reach around"Well, if nobody was taking you seriously before, this will surely get them to believe in you. =)
Fafai: Mike Tyson in his prime would have destroyed any of these UFC guys in their prime. Any one of them you could possibly name.
ikanreed: Nice makeout session you two:"You're the non-racist guy""No you're right and you're the non racist guy""Your incorrect opinion is right""Oooh now give me a reach around"
Kope: It doesn't take great google fu to find similiarly ludicrous things about any famous black person.
ikanreed: stonicus: Racist? Misogynist? I don't see how in the hell you get either of those from that. All I get from his words is that he doesn't place much value on poetry or literature. I also agree that some of Benjamin Franklin's inventions exceed the work of any poem. Even poems written by white males. Am I also a misogynist racist?This is exactly how I knew it would go. "No no no, it can't be racism, here's irrelevant point that could mean its' something else"It's so damned 1 dimensional.
GnomePaladin: nickdaisy: Maya Angelou was incredibly overrated and didn't deserve 1/100th the attention she received.What about her work did you find lacking?And as long as we're on be subject, Martin Luther King Jr wasn't exactly a respected academic, either.At the risk of understating the obvious, Dr. King was not exactly known best for his academic achievements. What was the point of that statement?
kortex: No. Hopefully her death will spearhead the effort to stop forcing children to read her shiatty book though. That was my most hated part of 9th grade English
stonicus: Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.^ This. If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.[upload.wikimedia.org image 232x300]I bet you absolutely hate this guy.(He's only an honorary Kentucky Colonel)
I KNOW WHY THE CAGED BIRD SINGS
But I'm not going to tell you
frontwheeldriver: Kraftwerk Orange: Bf+: I don't care, I'm still naming my son "Dr. Judge Bf+ the Third, PHD"Recently I've been trying to convince Mrs. Orange that our first child should be named "Lord Chancellor". She's not on board completely, but she does agree it has a nice ring to it. "Chance" would make a great nickname.I think "Supreme Commander" has a nice ring
untaken_name: stonicus: If it takes X number of hours learning literature to become a Doctor in it, and she has 10 times that amount from actually living it and doing it, then why shouldn't it count?For the same reason that I don't get an honorary CDL just because I've been driving a car for a long time.
stonicus: If it takes X number of hours learning literature to become a Doctor in it, and she has 10 times that amount from actually living it and doing it, then why shouldn't it count?
Jack Harper: Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.^ This. If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.I don't intend to insist on being called Dr., but I think anyone who got a PhD by apprenticing under a professor and doing original research has every right to be called Dr. That's what it used to mean. M.D.s co-opted it when they were actually something like apprentices. Now it's just a professional certificate, so why not let the DDSs, ODs, DOs, and EdDs further sully the title?
chimp_ninja: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.The first rule is that it replaces "Mr."/"Ms." Normally when you're talking to other people, including co-workers, you don't insist on being called "Mr."/"Ms.", so the title is irrelevant.The second rule is that it only matters in a professional context, not for restaurant reservations and other BS. Oooh. You have a Ph.D. Sadly for you, you need the same amount of food as the rest of us, so get in line and keep it to yourself.The third rule is that you never correct anyone for yourself, because it makes you look worse than just not having the title.Am I being introduced at a business meeting? Am I picking a signature for a work email to someone that doesn't already know me? Then I'm Dr. _ninja. Otherwise, it never gets used.
Kann: not everything has to be viewed though a prism of race and sex
Rurouni: If you mean she's a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor, then yes she's a doctor.
nickdaisy: And as long as we're on be subject, Martin Luther King Jr wasn't exactly a respected academic, either.
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Dr. Stephen Colbert D.F.A. disagrees.
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