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2014-06-03 03:02:47 PM  

lamecomedian: I might've believed that if you had actually quit posting a couple of pages ago.


Or maybe, I'm still clinging to the hope that you'll stop being wrong.  Because this kind of racism is endemic the culture and you're an identifiable perpetrator.  And just the idea of one less nutbug is a dream worth arguing a bit for.

Let me ask you a serious question:  How do you know you treat people fairly regardless of race?
 
2014-06-03 03:04:49 PM  

ikanreed: lamecomedian: I might've believed that if you had actually quit posting a couple of pages ago.

Or maybe, I'm still clinging to the hope that you'll stop being wrong.  Because this kind of racism is endemic the culture and you're an identifiable perpetrator.  And just the idea of one less nutbug is a dream worth arguing a bit for.

Let me ask you a serious question:  How do you know you treat people fairly regardless of race?


Because we're all the same race... human beings.
 
2014-06-03 03:05:23 PM  

FLMountainMan: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

Yep.  So is signing "Esq." (unless you really need to emphasize or clarify that you are writing the letter as a legal representative for someone)


I thought Esq was an emoticon of a man in a fez riding on a giant snail.
 
2014-06-03 03:05:56 PM  

ikanreed: lamecomedian: I might've believed that if you had actually quit posting a couple of pages ago.

Or maybe, I'm still clinging to the hope that you'll stop being wrong.  Because this kind of racism is endemic the culture and you're an identifiable perpetrator.  And just the idea of one less nutbug is a dream worth arguing a bit for.

Let me ask you a serious question:  How do you know you treat people fairly regardless of race?


This comic was written about you.

(It's not meant to be a compliment)

So anyway, have you hated gay people your whole life, or did that particular bigotry just start recently?
 
2014-06-03 03:07:13 PM  

lamecomedian: This comic was written about you.


I don't think so. In the comic someone wants him to come to bed with them.
 
2014-06-03 03:08:26 PM  

stonicus: Well, nobody, even us, likes being called out. I am sure you wouldn't like it if we started pointing out how anti-semitic you've been in this thread.


Oh no.  I know how much it stings when the KKK accuses me of being a Nazi.   Seriously?  You think I go: "Oh no, that accusation rings true and isn't some insane attempt to divert discussion with purposeful intent"

Look.  You have made a very clear argument that identifies your position without ambiguity.  "Franklin was a great man because of his accomplishments, but for [personal reasons we promise aren't fundamentally racist, in spite of overwhelming-no-really-shut-the-fark-up-this-is-a-point-not-up-for-de b ate evidence, Angelou isn't]."


It's not a hard facade to see through.  There isn't a legitimate reason, and the defensiveness you exhibit doesn't make it better.  It makes it worse.  I want to pretend I feel sorry for you, so I can be all smug, but the reality is that your opinions are common, and poisonous to society, and we badly need edge cases to reform.
 
2014-06-03 03:08:45 PM  
Seriously folks, aside from being a podium piece for leftist self-proclaimed intellectuals and politicians, I'm going out on a limb to suggest that less than a few in a hundred of you even have read any of her poetry.  But please go ahead and climb on the wagon.

So how long until she replaces the Dali Lama as a bumper sticker for Prius drivers?
 
2014-06-03 03:10:52 PM  

ikanreed: stonicus: Well, nobody, even us, likes being called out. I am sure you wouldn't like it if we started pointing out how anti-semitic you've been in this thread.

Oh no.  I know how much it stings when the KKK accuses me of being a Nazi.   Seriously?  You think I go: "Oh no, that accusation rings true and isn't some insane attempt to divert discussion with purposeful intent"

Look.  You have made a very clear argument that identifies your position without ambiguity.  "Franklin was a great man because of his accomplishments, but for [personal reasons we promise aren't fundamentally racist, in spite of overwhelming-no-really-shut-the-fark-up-this-is-a-point-not-up-for-de b ate evidence, Angelou isn't]."


I was the one who made the point about Franklin.  Try and keep up.
 
2014-06-03 03:11:44 PM  

lamecomedian: ikanreed: stonicus: Well, nobody, even us, likes being called out. I am sure you wouldn't like it if we started pointing out how anti-semitic you've been in this thread.

Oh no.  I know how much it stings when the KKK accuses me of being a Nazi.   Seriously?  You think I go: "Oh no, that accusation rings true and isn't some insane attempt to divert discussion with purposeful intent"

Look.  You have made a very clear argument that identifies your position without ambiguity.  "Franklin was a great man because of his accomplishments, but for [personal reasons we promise aren't fundamentally racist, in spite of overwhelming-no-really-shut-the-fark-up-this-is-a-point-not-up-for-de b ate evidence, Angelou isn't]."

I was the one who made the point about Franklin.  Try and keep up.


You all look alike.
 
2014-06-03 03:11:59 PM  

Wook: Seriously folks, aside from being a podium piece for leftist self-proclaimed intellectuals and politicians, I'm going out on a limb to suggest that less than a few in a hundred of you even have read any of her poetry.  But please go ahead and climb on the wagon.

So how long until she replaces the Dali Lama as a bumper sticker for Prius drivers?


I'm sure you complain about those "smug elitists" on the left too.
 
2014-06-03 03:12:01 PM  

ikanreed: stonicus: Well, nobody, even us, likes being called out. I am sure you wouldn't like it if we started pointing out how anti-semitic you've been in this thread.

Oh no.  I know how much it stings when the KKK accuses me of being a Nazi.   Seriously?  You think I go: "Oh no, that accusation rings true and isn't some insane attempt to divert discussion with purposeful intent"

Look.  You have made a very clear argument that identifies your position without ambiguity.  "Franklin was a great man because of his accomplishments, but for [personal reasons we promise aren't fundamentally racist, in spite of overwhelming-no-really-shut-the-fark-up-this-is-a-point-not-up-for-de b ate evidence, Angelou isn't]."


It's not a hard facade to see through.  There isn't a legitimate reason, and the defensiveness you exhibit doesn't make it better.  It makes it worse.  I want to pretend I feel sorry for you, so I can be all smug, but the reality is that your opinions are common, and poisonous to society, and we badly need edge cases to reform.


So I have to like poetry or else I am racist?  Guess what, poetry written by white people, I hate it too.  You are a weird little man with weird little ideas.
 
2014-06-03 03:12:23 PM  

Wook: Seriously folks, aside from being a podium piece for leftist self-proclaimed intellectuals and politicians, I'm going out on a limb to suggest that less than a few in a hundred of you even have read any of her poetry.  But please go ahead and climb on the wagon.

So how long until she replaces the Dali Lama as a bumper sticker for Prius drivers?


I thought the Dali Lama was already passe.
 
2014-06-03 03:13:45 PM  

Fafai: lamecomedian: ikanreed: stonicus: Well, nobody, even us, likes being called out. I am sure you wouldn't like it if we started pointing out how anti-semitic you've been in this thread.

Oh no.  I know how much it stings when the KKK accuses me of being a Nazi.   Seriously?  You think I go: "Oh no, that accusation rings true and isn't some insane attempt to divert discussion with purposeful intent"

Look.  You have made a very clear argument that identifies your position without ambiguity.  "Franklin was a great man because of his accomplishments, but for [personal reasons we promise aren't fundamentally racist, in spite of overwhelming-no-really-shut-the-fark-up-this-is-a-point-not-up-for-de b ate evidence, Angelou isn't]."

I was the one who made the point about Franklin.  Try and keep up.

You all look alike.


www.maniacworld.com
 
2014-06-03 03:14:28 PM  

lamecomedian: and thus more quantitatively "inspirational"


LOL.
 
2014-06-03 03:15:47 PM  
The title Doctor indicates nothing more than the degree achieved.  Currently licensed, now that carries more weight for an MD in my opinion.

I would also ask, when awarded the honorary doctorate, did the citation endow the honoree with the right to bear the title.  If so, nuff said.
 
2014-06-03 03:16:03 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: NobleHam: CMYK and PMS: Is it racist to point out that her writing was quite childish and banal?

Not at all. Just retarded.

Especially when your grasp of poetry is limited to "Roses are red, violets are blue, I wrote this poem, but it doesn't rhyme."


Tell the truth your mom had to look up the word banal for you and you still aren't sure what it means.
 
2014-06-03 03:16:28 PM  

Z-clipped: lamecomedian: and thus more quantitatively "inspirational"

LOL.


Yeah I kind of winced when I wrote it, too.  You get what I'm trying to say though, right?
 
2014-06-03 03:16:35 PM  

Boxcutta: Not only that, but it is grammatically incorrect to refer to yourself as Esquire. Rather, in the US it may (and should) be used when addressing another attorney. Here in the Northeast, it's commonplace, however.

http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/06/is-it-proper-to-refer-to-o ne self-as-esq.html


Don't confuse grammar with etiquette.

One is your parent's mother and the other is a crayfish dish.
 
2014-06-03 03:18:26 PM  
They're giving David Alan Grier a doctorate?
/Obscure?
seriously, I have been to see many doctors, including some I find incredulous of the "Doctorate", postedin their office. Sometimes I think, based on the physicians demeanor, whether they gave these "doctorates" out as a prize in some cereals.
 
2014-06-03 03:18:45 PM  
What is wrong with you guys?

A: Are you a shiatty human being too?
B: fark yeah, celebratory handjob!
 
2014-06-03 03:19:28 PM  

ikanreed: We were talking about how honorary PhDs can allow for someone to be called doctor, when they were white. Dr. Franklin was brought up as someone who was so accomplished in his field that he got honorary degrees that were respected.

Maya Angelou is 100% a parellel there. Top of her field.


American schools started to award Ph.D.s in 1861. When did Ben Franklin die? When did Maya Angelou die?
 
2014-06-03 03:19:37 PM  

Ex-Texan: They're giving David Alan Grier a doctorate?
/Obscure?
seriously, I have been to see many doctors, including some I find incredulous of the "Doctorate", postedin their office. Sometimes I think, based on the physicians demeanor, whether they gave these "doctorates" out as a prize in some cereals.


I, too, can disregard the accomplishments in others with a single snide statement.
 
2014-06-03 03:20:09 PM  

Kope: Timmy the Tumor:

Which is why she's received HONORARY degrees--none of those universities would put their reputations on the line to grant her an actual doctorate based on life experience, that just doesn't happen.

That doesn't happen because of accredidation rules, not because they dispute her achievements warrant an actual degree. Wake Forest referred to her as "Doctor." And they knew exactly what they were saying in doing that.



Actually, it's a political thing.  Universities don't determine who gets a PhD, a group of tenured professors do, and they are like the ultimate "cool girls table" in the high school cafeteria.  They don't want anyone in their precious group who hasn't suffered like they did, and they sure aren't going to lower their own perceived standings by just giving the degrees away.
 
2014-06-03 03:21:38 PM  
I think we've all had that teacher in primary or secondary school that kept insisting students call him/her Doctor because "I didn't go to school X number of years to be called Mr./Mrs".  It was douchey and eye roll worthy in the 5th grade and it is even more so once you've been through the college system.  And that, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is why I never use an honorific to address anyone at anytime.
 
2014-06-03 03:22:32 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: Kope: Timmy the Tumor:

Which is why she's received HONORARY degrees--none of those universities would put their reputations on the line to grant her an actual doctorate based on life experience, that just doesn't happen.

That doesn't happen because of accredidation rules, not because they dispute her achievements warrant an actual degree. Wake Forest referred to her as "Doctor." And they knew exactly what they were saying in doing that.


Actually, it's a political thing.  Universities don't determine who gets a PhD, a group of tenured professors do, and they are like the ultimate "cool girls table" in the high school cafeteria.  They don't want anyone in their precious group who hasn't suffered like they did, and they sure aren't going to lower their own perceived standings by just giving the degrees away.


Ding, Ding, Ding.  Nailed it.
 
2014-06-03 03:23:05 PM  

This text is now purple: American schools started to award Ph.D.s in 1861. When did Ben Franklin die? When did Maya Angelou die?


Oh, right, because degrees earned post-death are definitely the most respected, overall.  This makes the argument even weaker, not stronger.  God, it's like every paper I've read about symbolic racism encoded into totally self-deluded forum posts.
 
2014-06-03 03:26:59 PM  

Kope: I don't think Mike Tyson was a very good boxer. Is that racist?

If you back it up with something like: he doesn't block well, he doesn't move his feet well. The only reason he wins so many fights is because he's throws such a heavy punch that it destroys most people -- but as soon as he ran into someone who could hit just as hard AND move he lost . . then "no." If you think he's not a very good boxer because you don't like him, then maybe depending on why you don't like him.


As a young fighter, Tyson moved and defended pretty well. It was only when Cus D'Amato died and Kevin Rooney was fired that Tyson's form went to shiat. This is what Buster Douglas exploited. Douglas was also a very skilled by underperforming fighter who had the fight of his life.
 
2014-06-03 03:27:14 PM  
Let's expand this thread.  Does anyone remember when Ed Meese was the US Attorney General and insisted upon being called "General Meese" (and had the protocol rules changed to support this)? Was that wrong?
 
2014-06-03 03:31:29 PM  

advex101: Does anyone remember when Ed Meese was the US Attorney General and insisted upon being called "General Meese" (and had the protocol rules changed to support this)? Was that wrong?


Yes.

An Attorney General is an attorney.
 
2014-06-03 03:35:06 PM  

advex101: Let's expand this thread.  Does anyone remember when Ed Meese was the US Attorney General and insisted upon being called "General Meese" (and had the protocol rules changed to support this)? Was that wrong?


No, I don't remember that at all.  Do you have a cite?
 
2014-06-03 03:35:49 PM  

virtdave: That's Dr. M. L. King to you, asshole.


Only because he stole the work of this man:

www2.gsu.edu

By the way, it was Angelou's preference that she be called "Dr. Angelou" by people outside of her family and close friends.
 
2014-06-03 03:37:57 PM  

ikanreed: This text is now purple: American schools started to award Ph.D.s in 1861. When did Ben Franklin die? When did Maya Angelou die?

Oh, right, because degrees earned post-death are definitely the most respected, overall.  This makes the argument even weaker, not stronger.  God, it's like every paper I've read about symbolic racism encoded into totally self-deluded forum posts was full of shiat


FTFY
 
2014-06-03 03:39:40 PM  

lamecomedian: Z-clipped: lamecomedian: I thought the original statement was that she would be remembered as a great poet or something to that effect.

So now we're off the semantics, and just going for the general gist of things?

I'm just too lazy to look it up.

Then yes, I'd say that for at least the next... 50 years...?... It's a fact that Maya Angelou will be remembered among the great American writers.  Even if... especially if... as you seem to think, her value is purely political.

Let's meet up in fifty years and see who was right.  Loser owes the winner a coke.



www.blogcdn.com


/That'll be $83.14, please.
 
2014-06-03 03:39:43 PM  

Alleyoop: virtdave: That's Dr. M. L. King to you, asshole.

Only because he stole the work of this man:

[www2.gsu.edu image 300x400]

By the way, it was Angelou's preference that she be called "Dr. Angelou" by people outside of her family and close friends.


And now the derp comes to tell us how this preference seals the deal on how right they were not to call her that.
 
2014-06-03 03:41:15 PM  

stonicus: ikanreed: This text is now purple: American schools started to award Ph.D.s in 1861. When did Ben Franklin die? When did Maya Angelou die?

Oh, right, because degrees earned post-death are definitely the most respected, overall.  This makes the argument even weaker, not stronger.  God, it's like every paper I've read about symbolic racism encoded into totally self-deluded forum posts was full of shiat

FTFY


Oh, good to know that you deny basic observable facts about racial bias, that have been recorded through academic proceedings.     Now we can understand that you're just straight-up pro-racism.
 
2014-06-03 03:44:34 PM  

ikanreed: stonicus: ikanreed: This text is now purple: American schools started to award Ph.D.s in 1861. When did Ben Franklin die? When did Maya Angelou die?

Oh, right, because degrees earned post-death are definitely the most respected, overall.  This makes the argument even weaker, not stronger.  God, it's like every paper I've read about symbolic racism encoded into totally self-deluded forum posts was full of shiat

FTFY

Oh, good to know that you deny basic observable facts about racial bias, that have been recorded through academic proceedings.     Now we can understand that you're just straight-up pro-racism.


You're right.  I am so racist.  I bleed racism.  I only eat the inside of Oreos.  Clearly, the *only* reason someone might not like Maya's poetry is that they are racist.  Couldn't possibly be they just don't like it.  It can only be because of the color of her skin.  Thank you for showing me the light.  And thank god it is white light.
 
2014-06-03 03:46:09 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: Of course she has the right to demand that people refer to her as "Dr.".

I have the right to demand that people refer to me as "Your Holiness".

Nobody is under any obligation to call me anything at all, nor forbidden from calling me whatever they want.

Therefore, this entire discussion is stupid.


I refer to myself as 'Lord High Poobah'


It's just as valid


// Now , kiss my ring
 
2014-06-03 03:46:25 PM  

ikanreed: Oh, good to know that you deny basic observable facts about racial bias, that have been recorded through academic proceedings. Now we can understand that you're just straight-up pro-racism.


But you've been saying it was provable by empirical evidence all along, and now all of a sudden now it's really provable? You realize this makes your words look meaningless, yes? How many times are you going to reach that same old 'ha! gotcha! now shiat is real!' before it means a damn thing?

/I have nothing against Maya Angelou, btw
//just you
///cuz you're a hypocrite
 
2014-06-03 03:47:31 PM  

stonicus: You're right. I am so racist. I bleed racism. I only eat the inside of Oreos. Clearly, the *only* reason someone might not like Maya's poetry is that they are racist. Couldn't possibly be they just don't like it. It can only be because of the color of her skin. Thank you for showing me the light. And thank god it is white light.


No, now we're talking about a more serious symptom, denial of a measurable kind of racism in the real world.  The racism has metastasized into the "nothing's wrong, stop worrying about racism so much" variety, that definitely causes harm.  We're about 5 years of ignorance-fueled cycnicism before you strongly agree with the statement "Blacks have gotten more than they deserve."
 
2014-06-03 03:50:10 PM  

someonelse: UtileDysfunktion: Queen Latifah isn't really a queen, either.

And Prince Fielder isn't really a fielder.


As a Brewer fan --
Keyboard, new, owe...
/Hope Prince recovers from his surgery and does well.
//Not against Milwaukee, though.
 
2014-06-03 03:52:37 PM  
I don't understand this urge people have of maligning the dead here.

It's not as if  Maya Angelou was some sort of dictator who sent thousands or millions to their deaths. Or an unscrupulous corporate baron who sickened people with shoddy products. Or a drug dealer who trafficked life-destroying narcotics. Or human trafficker who dealt in human misery and suffering.

She was a poet and, by all accounts, a very nice and good individual. Even if you didn't like her poetry, what's the point of coming in this thread and telling us about how she's worthless, how she's a fraud, or how her poetry was terrible? What does it get you? Do you get some sort of catharsis when you speak ill of a woman who can't defend herself anymore?
 
2014-06-03 03:53:07 PM  

Fafai: ikanreed: Oh, good to know that you deny basic observable facts about racial bias, that have been recorded through academic proceedings. Now we can understand that you're just straight-up pro-racism.

But you've been saying it was provable by empirical evidence all along, and now all of a sudden now it's really provable? You realize this makes your words look meaningless, yes? How many times are you going to reach that same old 'ha! gotcha! now shiat is real!' before it means a damn thing?

/I have nothing against Maya Angelou, btw
//just you
///cuz you're a hypocrite


No, "Pro-racism" is different from "racist",  you can believe something is bad and still engage in it as a minor personal flaw.  Being an active proponent of bad things is worse.  But you'd understand that if you didn't live in a 1 dimensional world.

Hell, I'm not certain I could deny I'm not racist by accident sometimes.  But I sure as shiat view racism as something to be dealt with in reasonable ways.
 
2014-06-03 03:54:28 PM  

RexTalionis: She was a poet and, by all accounts, a very nice and good individual. Even if you didn't like her poetry, what's the point of coming in this thread and telling us about how she's worthless, how she's a fraud, or how her poetry was terrible? What does it get you? Do you get some sort of catharsis when you speak ill of a woman who can't defend herself anymore?


I think the "they're racist, but can't admit it" is the occam's razor of the situation.
 
2014-06-03 03:57:30 PM  

stonicus: ikanreed: stonicus: ikanreed: This text is now purple: American schools started to award Ph.D.s in 1861. When did Ben Franklin die? When did Maya Angelou die?

Oh, right, because degrees earned post-death are definitely the most respected, overall.  This makes the argument even weaker, not stronger.  God, it's like every paper I've read about symbolic racism encoded into totally self-deluded forum posts was full of shiat

FTFY

Oh, good to know that you deny basic observable facts about racial bias, that have been recorded through academic proceedings.     Now we can understand that you're just straight-up pro-racism.

You're right.  I am so racist.  I bleed racism.  I only eat the inside of Oreos.  Clearly, the *only* reason someone might not like Maya's poetry is that they are racist.  Couldn't possibly be they just don't like it.  It can only be because of the color of her skin.  Thank you for showing me the light.  And thank god it is white light.


What are your feelings about hip-hop music, "urban" fashion, Obama, the NBA, the state of welfare reform, stop and frisk laws, Spike Lee, cars with rims...

See, not liking one or several of these things isn't neccessarily an indication that you're a racist. but if you ALWAYS passionately argue against anything even remotely associated with black people...it raises questions.
 
2014-06-03 03:59:12 PM  
I hereby grant all of you honorary doctorates, priesthoods, knighthoods, papacies, and whatever the hell else you want. You are free to call yourself whatever the hell you want, because nobody gives a shiat. They're equally meaningless on everybody.

Sincerely,
His Holiness the Rev. Dr. Pope John Paul George Ringo Bonobo LXII, Esq. OBE, God-Emperor of the Universe.
 
2014-06-03 04:01:29 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: What are your feelings about hip-hop music, "urban" fashion, Obama, the NBA, the state of welfare reform, stop and frisk laws, Spike Lee, cars with rims...

See, not liking one or several of these things isn't neccessarily an indication that you're a racist. but if you ALWAYS passionately argue against anything even remotely associated with black people...it raises questions.


I want to like this argument, but it falls the glaring flaw that the person it's used on can just latch onto anything they feel like as a counter example.  And they're not wrong.  That does defeat the argument.  But the clue is still there through the breadth or depth of dislike, without the universality.  But you can't prove anything.  So I find it kinda useless to actually use.
 
2014-06-03 04:04:02 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: stonicus: ikanreed: stonicus: ikanreed: This text is now purple: American schools started to award Ph.D.s in 1861. When did Ben Franklin die? When did Maya Angelou die?

Oh, right, because degrees earned post-death are definitely the most respected, overall.  This makes the argument even weaker, not stronger.  God, it's like every paper I've read about symbolic racism encoded into totally self-deluded forum posts was full of shiat

FTFY

Oh, good to know that you deny basic observable facts about racial bias, that have been recorded through academic proceedings.     Now we can understand that you're just straight-up pro-racism.

You're right.  I am so racist.  I bleed racism.  I only eat the inside of Oreos.  Clearly, the *only* reason someone might not like Maya's poetry is that they are racist.  Couldn't possibly be they just don't like it.  It can only be because of the color of her skin.  Thank you for showing me the light.  And thank god it is white light.

What are your feelings about hip-hop music, "urban" fashion, Obama, the NBA, the state of welfare reform, stop and frisk laws, Spike Lee, cars with rims...

See, not liking one or several of these things isn't neccessarily an indication that you're a racist. but if you ALWAYS passionately argue against anything even remotely associated with black people...it raises questions.


hip hop music: no opinion in general, depends on the song.
urban fashion: I am fashion ignorant.  I wear shorts, flip flops, and nerdy t-shirts to work.
Obama: I am thriving under his administration.  Love him.
NBA: Always hated basketball
welfare reform: it is a good idea but our current implementation could use some fine tuning.
stop and frisk laws: 100% against them
Spike Lee: I think his movies suck.
Cars with rims: depends on the car and the rims.  Some look good together, some don't.
 
2014-06-03 04:06:23 PM  

Bonobo62: You are free to call yourself whatever the hell you want, because nobody gives a shiat.


The evidence presented by this thread shows that some people give a highly specific shiat.
 
2014-06-03 04:08:01 PM  

ikanreed: you can believe something is bad and still engage in it as a minor personal flaw. Being an active proponent of bad things is worse.


So when you come out and say "you guys are being gay lol," that's just a 'minor personal flaw' and somehow a less 'active' aggression than saying she didn't write good poetry. You're full of shiat. And attacking my world view (1 dimensional?) as if you know where I'm coming from when I haven't said shiat on the subject other than posted a video of Maya Angelou from the Richard Pryor Show (RIP both) that I remembered as being quite poignant and dramatic for a sketch comedy show, thinking people might appreciate that bit of entertainment history? That makes you look even worse. You are painting everyone who you even perceive as disagreeeing with you with the same brush. You look like a fool in here and your head is way too far up your own sanctimonious ass to realize it.
 
2014-06-03 04:12:23 PM  

stonicus: DROxINxTHExWIND: stonicus: ikanreed: stonicus: ikanreed: This text is now purple: American schools started to award Ph.D.s in 1861. When did Ben Franklin die? When did Maya Angelou die?

Oh, right, because degrees earned post-death are definitely the most respected, overall.  This makes the argument even weaker, not stronger.  God, it's like every paper I've read about symbolic racism encoded into totally self-deluded forum posts was full of shiat

FTFY

Oh, good to know that you deny basic observable facts about racial bias, that have been recorded through academic proceedings.     Now we can understand that you're just straight-up pro-racism.

You're right.  I am so racist.  I bleed racism.  I only eat the inside of Oreos.  Clearly, the *only* reason someone might not like Maya's poetry is that they are racist.  Couldn't possibly be they just don't like it.  It can only be because of the color of her skin.  Thank you for showing me the light.  And thank god it is white light.

What are your feelings about hip-hop music, "urban" fashion, Obama, the NBA, the state of welfare reform, stop and frisk laws, Spike Lee, cars with rims...

See, not liking one or several of these things isn't neccessarily an indication that you're a racist. but if you ALWAYS passionately argue against anything even remotely associated with black people...it raises questions.

hip hop music: no opinion in general, depends on the song.
urban fashion: I am fashion ignorant.  I wear shorts, flip flops, and nerdy t-shirts to work.
Obama: I am thriving under his administration.  Love him.
NBA: Always hated basketball
welfare reform: it is a good idea but our current implementation could use some fine tuning.
stop and frisk laws: 100% against them
Spike Lee: I think his movies suck.
Cars with rims: depends on the car and the rims.  Some look good together, some don't.


Thats so racist, how do you live with yourself?
 
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