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(Salon)   Did 50 honorary doctorates give Maya Angelou the right to call herself "Dr. Angelou"? If you answered no, you're a racist   (salon.com) divider line 548
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2014-06-03 11:23:38 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Bill Cosby has at least one honorary doctorate. I don't see him running around referring to himself as, Dr. Bill Cosby.


Yes and No.

Bill was a high school dropout.  He joined the US Navy and earned his HS equiv. degree.

He did attend Temple under a scholarship, but never finished.  Temple later awarded him a bachelors based on "Life experiences"


But Cosby did earn his Doctors of Education from University of Mass. by submitting a thesis titled: "An Integration of the Visual Media via Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids into the Elementary School Curriculum as a Teaching Aid and Vehicle to Achieve Increased Learning." It's 142 pages long, with another 100 pages of bibliography and appendices.

So some of his education was earned and some was "awarded", but I've never seen him use the "Dr" title, even on the books he has written
 
2014-06-03 11:23:52 AM  

This text is now purple: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

If your MD is from an American or Canadian institution, it's not a doctorate, and you shouldn't call yourself a doctor at all. Research physicians have a separate Ph.D. that's a real doctorate.


Came for this. American & Canadian MD's are considered Bachelor's professional degrees, despite the number of years of schooling. To obtain a doctorate as an MD requires additional schooling.

PhD's are doctorates in their respective fields and have had the appropriate education (which is generally more than an MD, actually).

Don't give a royal damn what Angelou's ancestry was, she didn't put in the time to get the education, she doesn't get to be called "Dr." You can be a ninety year old white man with honorary degrees from 50 universities and a hundred published books and I'll say the same damn thing.
 
2014-06-03 11:24:19 AM  

frontwheeldriver: Kraftwerk Orange: Bf+: I don't care, I'm still naming my son "Dr. Judge Bf+ the Third, PHD"

Recently I've been trying to convince Mrs. Orange that our first child should be named "Lord Chancellor".  She's not on board completely, but she does agree it has a nice ring to it.  "Chance" would make a great nickname.

I think "Supreme Commander" has a nice ring


Great game. Best of its genre.
 
2014-06-03 11:24:59 AM  

Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.


Look at supervillains. They ALL use their title. They like it to be known that they're doctors, dammit. But you never see Bruce Banner correcting anyone for not calling him Dr Banner.
 
2014-06-03 11:25:15 AM  

debug: If she was white and you pointed it out, would you still be a racist?


Oh yeah, that's a real common problem.  And happens a lot.  With dead white people.  Your hypothetical sure shut down all those people who are identifying common symptoms of real world racism.

This is #3 on the list of things "not racist" racist people do:  Targeted minorities are held to a higher standard as to whether they deserve respect.
 
2014-06-03 11:25:25 AM  

untaken_name: stonicus: If it takes X number of hours learning literature to become a Doctor in it, and she has 10 times that amount from actually living it and doing it, then why shouldn't it count?

For the same reason that I don't get an honorary CDL just because I've been driving a car for a long time.


The same reason I don't have an honorary Linux credential even though I've ran Linux for 11 years and have done hundreds of installs.
 
2014-06-03 11:25:34 AM  

Another Government Employee: Most people calling her overrated just don't have interest or can connect to her story.


So my opinion is worth less than yours, because you have decided I don't like her because I can't be bothered to properly appreciate her?

What an ass.
 
2014-06-03 11:26:52 AM  
As far as I can tell, a person who earns a PhD in something has automatically earned the academic title of "Doctor".  They can choose to use that title in communications or not.  Earning a PhD is a major achievement and a person who has earned a PhD has earned respect of other academics.  The person has learned nearly all there is to know about a field of knowledge and has contributed new knowledge to that chosen field.  From a title perspective, It matters not whether that field is medical science or English literature.

Honorary doctorates are an award from an institution and are not necessarily associated with academics.  They are generally given as an award for a person's contribution to an institution or to a specific field or even to society in general.  I would guess that there are far fewer honorary doctorates in this world than there are doctorates--a person generally has to achieve some measure of greatness in order to receive an honorary doctorate.  Does this entitle a recipient of an honorary doctorate to us the title "Doctor"?  Maybe and I don't care.  I think if someone has achieved enough to receive an honorary doctorate, then they can do whatever they like with the title.  If I meet a person who has received fifty honorary doctorates, I will act with deferential awe for I will be in the presence of greatness.
 
2014-06-03 11:27:02 AM  

sigdiamond2000: If you think an honorary doctorate doesn't give Maya Angelou the right to call herself "Doctor," that's a perfectly legitimate opinion.

If your first reaction to Maya Angelou's death is pointing out that she's "not a real doctor," you're probably a racist.


My first reaction was "who" since I never heard of her before her death. Now that she's gone, all of a sudden she matters a lot.
 
2014-06-03 11:27:05 AM  

the_rev: stonicus:
I bet you absolutely hate this guy.
(He's only an honorary Kentucky Colonel)

Hey now... I happen to be a Kentucky Colonel. And I believe our beloved Drew is one, as well.


Correct. Altho it doesn't count for much other than being a good story
 
2014-06-03 11:27:33 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Why is this even a debate?  It's very simple.  If you can't prescribe medicine, you're not a doctor.

You may have "doctorate" degree in something other than medicine, and that's great.  Looks nice on a resume, but it doesn't make you a doctor.

Also, if you don't have an MD and insist that people call you 'doctor', you're a narcissistic farkwad who more than likely flunked-out of Med School like all the other chiropractors.

/Bill Cosby has at least one honorary doctorate.  I don't see him running around referring to himself as, Dr. Bill Cosby.


Bill Cosby earned his real doctorate in education from the University of Massachusetts Amherst in 1976. Sometimes he does use the title "Doctor," especially when he's talking or writing about issues of childhood education. As others have noted above, you are backwards and wrong on the idea of physicians owning the title "Doctor."
 
2014-06-03 11:27:59 AM  
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What's all this about honorary doctorates being pretentious?
 
2014-06-03 11:28:01 AM  
 
2014-06-03 11:28:35 AM  
Is it racist to point out that her writing was quite childish and banal?
 
2014-06-03 11:29:49 AM  
If she was white and you pointed it out, would you still be a racist?

Oh yeah, that's a real common problem.  And happens a lot.  With dead white people.  Your hypothetical sure shut down all those people who are identifying common symptoms of real world racism.

This is #3 on the list of things "not racist" racist people do: Targeted minorities are held to a higher standard as to whether they deserve respect.



How long did you spend making your neat little list?

I bet you've got an impressive ignore list and all kinds of cool color codes for other farkers.
 
2014-06-03 11:30:17 AM  

CMYK and PMS: Is it racist to point out that her writing was quite childish and banal?


Not at all. Just retarded.
 
2014-06-03 11:30:27 AM  
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2014-06-03 11:30:32 AM  
A friend of mine just got a doctorate in education from a fairly prestigious private university in California.  She added both Dr. and Ed.D. to her name on her business cards, LinkedIn, Facebook, and  pretty much anywhere her name is posted.

Her company paid for the degree which sounds like a great deal, but now she's stuck there for something like 5-7 years because if she quits she has to pay back the cost (prorated) of her degree.  She's miserable because she's still doing the same job for the same money, and is incensed that she still reports to her boss old who doesn't have a doctorate.  I'm not sure why anyone involved went through all that trouble just to have nothing but business cards change.  A tuition reimbursement plan run wild, I suppose.  But I digress.

Awarding honorary doctorates is just a way for universities to get a discount on speaker's fees.  The number someone has is just a measure of how many commencement addresses they've given.

/CSB
 
2014-06-03 11:30:33 AM  

stonicus: fireclown: FTFA:"To him and his ridiculousness, I say, "Oppenheimer, be for real." "

Well, the author does have her opponent firmly in the iron grip of logic.

The bottom line is pretty much if you don't actually earn a PhD or MD, you don't rate the honorific doctor.  An honorary doctorate means that the school really likes you, and that you are kinda awesome based on that, but it's not an official PhD/MD.  Angilou is wrong for calling herself Dr Angilou.

/go ahead.  I've been called racist by better looking people than YOU.

But in her field, she probably did more, wrote more, and knew more about poetry and literature than people who just sat in classes.  Her life experience shouldn't be discounted as if it didn't matter.  If it takes X number of hours learning literature to become a Doctor in it, and she has 10 times that amount from actually living it and doing it, then why shouldn't it count?


Cool your jets.  Nobody is discounting anything, or saying that she wasn't a major figure in the field.  If anything, what she did counts for a lot more than just getting a PhD.  I have a friend, Professor Mike, who has a legit PhD in 20th century American poetry.  For this honorific he spent about 6 years of his life in various schools, wrote a whole mess of poems, studied even MORE poems, edited a series of poetry journals, taught courses and went through the general hazing ritual of grad school.  At the end of this, he wrote his thesis (original work and all that) on whatever he wrote it on and sat in the circle of judgement where lifelong students of the written word assessed his work and declared him to be a straight up man of poetry.

And you will probably never hear his name again.

For her stellar work as a poet, Ms Angelou will be recognized for generations as one of the great American poets.  A kind of immortal status reached by very few.  I would argue that this is much more important.  But she didn't go through the decade long hazing ritual, so she doesn't get to use the honorific that designates that she finished the hazing ritual.
 
2014-06-03 11:30:37 AM  

Drew: the_rev: stonicus:
I bet you absolutely hate this guy.
(He's only an honorary Kentucky Colonel)

Hey now... I happen to be a Kentucky Colonel. And I believe our beloved Drew is one, as well.

Correct. Altho it doesn't count for much other than being a good story


They mailed me a pretty certificate that I hung up in my office at home.
 
2014-06-03 11:30:38 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: kbronsito: It basically would let me know which government officials he thought were idiots.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here...all of 'em?


Many of them... Pretty much all ambassadors.
 
2014-06-03 11:31:33 AM  

the_rev: stonicus:
I bet you absolutely hate this guy.
(He's only an honorary Kentucky Colonel)

Hey now... I happen to be a Kentucky Colonel. And I believe our beloved Drew is one, as well.


Do you feel you should be allowed to be called a Colonel?
 
2014-06-03 11:31:34 AM  
www.reed.edu
 
2014-06-03 11:32:49 AM  
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horrified by this thread.
 
2014-06-03 11:33:12 AM  

stonicus: the_rev: stonicus:
I bet you absolutely hate this guy.
(He's only an honorary Kentucky Colonel)

Hey now... I happen to be a Kentucky Colonel. And I believe our beloved Drew is one, as well.

Do you feel you should be allowed to be called a Colonel?


It would amuse me a little bit, but that's all.
 
2014-06-03 11:33:23 AM  

farkeruk: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

Look at supervillains. They ALL use their title. They like it to be known that they're doctors, dammit. But you never see Bruce Banner correcting anyone for not calling him Dr Banner.


He gets called Dr Banner all the time, as does Dr Richards.  There is a hliarious series of panels about a year ago in which Tony Stark complains that nobody ever calls HIM Dr even though he has three PhDs.
 
2014-06-03 11:33:44 AM  
I have a black belt and a MS degree.

I insist on being called "Master Sensei Merdeux."


People usually just say, "STFU and give my Quarter Pounder, arsehole."
 
2014-06-03 11:35:09 AM  

Joe USer: untaken_name: Snarfangel: I think only philosophers should be granted Ph.D's.

What *is* a philosopher, really?

A BS artist.


It's the talk on a cereal box or a walk on the slippery rocks.
 
2014-06-03 11:35:43 AM  

Rurouni: If you mean she's a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor, then yes she's a doctor.


You shut your whore mouth. Doctor Pepper saved countless lives on 9/11 by performing emergency surgery right there in the rubble.

Have some respect.
 
2014-06-03 11:36:50 AM  
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2014-06-03 11:37:52 AM  

doubled99: If she was white and you pointed it out, would you still be a racist?

Oh yeah, that's a real common problem.  And happens a lot.  With dead white people.  Your hypothetical sure shut down all those people who are identifying common symptoms of real world racism.

This is #3 on the list of things "not racist" racist people do: Targeted minorities are held to a higher standard as to whether they deserve respect.


How long did you spend making your neat little list?

I bet you've got an impressive ignore list and all kinds of cool color codes for other farkers.


Actually, you're the only one I have color coded in this whole thread, and it's entirely an accident.  Someone in another thread was claiming climate change deniers change their stories, so I went back through the idiots, and marked them all with the arguments they were making(the results of my research was just that they were diverse morons, not giant hypocrites).  Yours was a particularly stupid "Scientists will change their minds in 30 years because I'm a magic prognosticator", if you didn't know already.


How do you use your psychic powers in the real world?
 
2014-06-03 11:38:28 AM  
I hate her because she was always blubbering anti-Semitic crap, her work and support of the Nation of Islam and opening her 'classes' in Arabic, slamming the Jews.

She was a Grade A +++ icon of the leftist puke bags
 
2014-06-03 11:38:31 AM  
The main issue with Maya Angelou is the fact her poetry is simply horrible.  It's not good.  Where did all the acclaim come from?  We know the answer, of course, and it wasn't because she was an amazing writer, she wasn't.

Notwithstanding she made ludicrous claims about her life, such as her website stating she spoke six languages fluently, which the news media picked up on with glee last week, talking about how amazing she was for speaking six languages fluently.

Search the word "fiction" in her Wikipedia page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Angelou

" Angelou's major works have been labeled as autobiographical fiction."  She loved creating wacky facts about herself.  Probably said she invented the question mark, too.

But forget all that - - she was lauded as being a SUPER AMAZING POETESS.  When it's obvious even her best known works were absolute shiat.

http://schencka.mindsay.com/a_poem_that_sucks_phenomenal_woman_by_ma ya _angelou.mws

http://www.thelmagazine.com/TheMeasure/archives/2009/07/08/maya-ange lo u-sucks-at-poetry

http://www.theoverratedtimes.com/the-list/maya-angelou/

Any one of those pages offers funny if not academic reasons why Angelou's writing is garbage.

This paragraph says it all:

She's the go-to poet for presidential inaugurations, Kennedy Center galas, and other large, well-funded events where the content or artistic value of a poem is irrelevant, but having heard of the poet is. She's the Paul Shaffer of poetry. ("Guys! We've got a televised all-star band tribute to a famous rock star. Make sure Paul Shaffer is available!") She might be a very nice lady too. And yet Maya Angelou's poetry is uniformly, strikingly, fascinatingly terrible. Try reading one of her poems. We dare you. Just hearing the first stanza makes us tremble with dread: flashbacks to graduation ceremonies in the blazing sun, or an endless outdoor theater festival we made the mistake of attending.
 
Bf+
2014-06-03 11:38:55 AM  

frontwheeldriver: Kraftwerk Orange: Bf+: I don't care, I'm still naming my son "Dr. Judge Bf+ the Third, PHD"

Recently I've been trying to convince Mrs. Orange that our first child should be named "Lord Chancellor".  She's not on board completely, but she does agree it has a nice ring to it.  "Chance" would make a great nickname.

I think "Supreme Commander" has a nice ring



My kids will hate me...
"Galtar, Destroyer of Worlds... Galtar?  Galtar, Destroyer of Worlds?"
"Here."
 
2014-06-03 11:38:57 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

^ This.  If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.

Yeah, what does Neil DeGrasse Tyson know anyway?


Neil DeGrasse Tyson, as far as I know, does not insist that you call him "doctor".
 
2014-06-03 11:39:04 AM  

NobleHam: CMYK and PMS: Is it racist to point out that her writing was quite childish and banal?

Not at all. Just retarded.


Especially when your grasp of poetry is limited to "Roses are red, violets are blue, I wrote this poem, but it doesn't rhyme."
 
2014-06-03 11:39:56 AM  

NobleHam: Is it really pretension to use an honorific that more than 50 universities have gone out of the way to express that you deserve?


Yes, it is. If 50 universities think she deserves an honorary doctorate, it still means that no university has granted her an actual doctorate.

And "going out of their way"? How much do you think it costs for a university to grant an honorary doctorate?
 
2014-06-03 11:40:31 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: I hate her because she was always blubbering anti-Semitic crap, her work and support of the Nation of Islam and opening her 'classes' in Arabic, slamming the Jews.

She was a Grade A +++ icon of the leftist puke bags


citation kinda wanted

/for future use
 
2014-06-03 11:40:42 AM  

FLMountainMan: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

Yep.  So is signing "Esq." (unless you really need to emphasize or clarify that you are writing the letter as a legal representative for someone)


As an Esq, I totally agree
 
2014-06-03 11:40:49 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Neil DeGrasse Tyson, as far as I know, does not insist that you call him "doctor".


Actually he insists his wife exclusively call him "Doctor Sagan" in bed.

//Little known fact.
 
2014-06-03 11:41:46 AM  
I'm a Doctor not a poetry writer!
www.rankopedia.com
 
2014-06-03 11:42:49 AM  

Gunderson: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Bill Cosby has at least one honorary doctorate. I don't see him running around referring to himself as, Dr. Bill Cosby.

Yes and No.

Bill was a high school dropout.  He joined the US Navy and earned his HS equiv. degree.

He did attend Temple under a scholarship, but never finished.  Temple later awarded him a bachelors based on "Life experiences"


But Cosby did earn his Doctors of Education from University of Mass. by submitting a thesis titled: "An Integration of the Visual Media via Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids into the Elementary School Curriculum as a Teaching Aid and Vehicle to Achieve Increased Learning." It's 142 pages long, with another 100 pages of bibliography and appendices.

So some of his education was earned and some was "awarded", but I've never seen him use the "Dr" title, even on the books he has written


Ever watch the end credits to the 80's Cosby show? it list him as William H. Cosby Jr. Ed.D
 
2014-06-03 11:43:31 AM  
I just think she should have been buried in a bus.  In the FRONT seat.
 
2014-06-03 11:43:53 AM  
Clemkadidlefark

I hate her because...her work and support of the Nation of Islam...

Elaborate, please. We all know the NoI is full of whackjobs and idiots; what was her work with and relation to them?
 
2014-06-03 11:44:30 AM  

Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.


This ...

sigdiamond2000: If your first reaction to Maya Angelou's death is pointing out that she's "not a real doctor," you're probably a racist.


... and that too.
 
2014-06-03 11:44:54 AM  
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2014-06-03 11:46:17 AM  

stonicus: Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

^ This.  If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.

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I bet you absolutely hate this guy.
(He's only an honorary Kentucky Colonel)


I have always respected southern gentlemen that call themselves "Colonel".  Southern women calling themselves colonel, not so much....
 
2014-06-03 11:46:34 AM  

I KNOW WHY THE CAGED BIRD SINGS

But I'm not going to tell you

 
2014-06-03 11:46:37 AM  

Kann: Brittney Cooper  teaches Women's and Gender Studies and Africana Studies at Rutgers.

Dr. Cooper's comments also included this gem about the asshats at Westboro protesting the funeral.

"Are black women not allowed dignity in death? Must their funerals become a brawl and a ruckus?Are black women not allowed dignity in death? Must their funerals become a brawl and a ruckus?"

Hey Doc. No everything is about race and sex. Those morons hate everyone and not everything has to be viewed though a prism of race and sex.


Aren't we all deserving of dignity in death, short of an individual's path in life, like having been a murderer or a rapist or something? Also what is she, Jacob Two-Two?
 
2014-06-03 11:47:38 AM  
An honorary doctorate is like the adult version of receiving a gold star in kindergarten.
 
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