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(Salon)   Did 50 honorary doctorates give Maya Angelou the right to call herself "Dr. Angelou"? If you answered no, you're a racist   (salon.com) divider line 548
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2014-06-03 10:59:24 AM
Unable to care. If you have a doctorate and wish me to call you doctor, I probably will as a courtesy. If you don't have a doctorate and wish me to call you doctor, I may or may not, depending on how courteous I feel. Big whoop. No racism required.
 
2014-06-03 10:59:34 AM

Kann: not everything has to be viewed though a prism of race and sex


When that's your stock in trade..... and all you have is a hammer...
 
2014-06-03 11:01:22 AM
Honorary degrees don't confer any rights to anyone other than the right to proclaim that you have received an honorary doctorate. If you think they do, please, allow someone with an honorary doctorate to operate on you.
 
2014-06-03 11:01:40 AM
Is she currently feeding the worms? Dead as a doornail? Croaked? Titsup? TangoUniform?
 
2014-06-03 11:02:38 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

^ This.  If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.


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2014-06-03 11:03:56 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

^ This.  If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.


This and that. I teach at a community college, and we have several Post-hole Diggers who get all butthurt about it. The actual professors from the nearby university who teach an adjunct course or two I can see, but "Dr. So-and-so" with her/his PhD. in Special Ed or Administration? Go f*ck yourselves.
 
2014-06-03 11:04:39 AM
Doesn't the title usually go with the setting?

Like I golf with my MD and I don't call him Dr. on the course, but I do when I'm in his office.  
I also refer to to Professors as Dr. in the classroom setting but not if we're grabbing a beer or coffee.

Am I the only one that does that?
 
2014-06-03 11:05:26 AM
I think only philosophers should be granted Ph.D's.
 
2014-06-03 11:05:33 AM
If Mr Scholls can use the Doctor prefix, so can Maya.

/besides, most ladies nowadays are impressed by a TotalFarker title than a Dr.
 
2014-06-03 11:05:45 AM
FTFA:"To him and his ridiculousness, I say, "Oppenheimer, be for real." "

Well, the author does have her opponent firmly in the iron grip of logic.

The bottom line is pretty much if you don't actually earn a PhD or MD, you don't rate the honorific doctor.  An honorary doctorate means that the school really likes you, and that you are kinda awesome based on that, but it's not an official PhD/MD.  Angilou is wrong for calling herself Dr Angilou.

/go ahead.  I've been called racist by better looking people than YOU.
 
2014-06-03 11:06:39 AM
When I check-in at the hotel I stay at while in Denver I always make a point to say I'm a State employee (University) so I can get the discount. As soon as they learn I work at a school they start calling me "Dr." Melgoesontour. I don't bother correcting them.
 
2014-06-03 11:07:31 AM

chimp_ninja: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

The first rule is that it replaces "Mr."/"Ms."  Normally when you're talking to other people, including co-workers, you don't insist on being called "Mr."/"Ms.", so the title is irrelevant.

The second rule is that it only matters in a professional context, not for restaurant reservations and other BS.  Oooh.  You have a Ph.D.  Sadly for you, you need the same amount of food as the rest of us, so get in line and keep it to yourself.

The third rule is that you never correct anyone for yourself, because it makes you look worse than just not having the title.

Am I being introduced at a business meeting?  Am I picking a signature for a work email to someone that doesn't already know me?  Then I'm Dr. _ninja.  Otherwise, it never gets used.


this.  When my students call me Dr. Hyjamon, I don't correct them...Other faculty have heard this and (since they know I don't have a Ph.D) ask me why I don't correct the students.

My response is "They know quality when they see it."

/I have had a few students that knew I didn't have a Ph.D and they would still call me Dr., but they do it out of respect and to irk the other professors who aren't the best teachers who have Ph.D's
 
2014-06-03 11:07:53 AM
waverecs.comToday I'm not a doctor, but you can call me one.
 
2014-06-03 11:07:56 AM

Snarfangel: I think only philosophers should be granted Ph.D's.


What *is* a philosopher, really?
 
2014-06-03 11:08:01 AM
1. 50 truck driving schools could give someone 50 honorary truck driving school certificates and that person probably wouldn't be able to parallel park a tractor trailer. 2. If you have "doctor" attached your name, honorary or through an overpriced school? you'd better know how to repair broken body parts or you're a fraud. 3. Poetry is stupid. 4. You can be a deemed a racist for disagreeing with an obama idea. The word racist really has zero meaning anymore. 5. Poetry is really dumb!
 
2014-06-03 11:09:21 AM

nickdaisy: Maya Angelou was incredibly overrated and didn't deserve 1/100th the attention she received.

And as long as we're on be subject, Martin Luther King Jr wasn't exactly a respected academic, either.


I won't call her that.

She has excellent flow and structure. Her illustration of subjects that she wrote on with was on par with anything else produced in the last 50 years.

Most people calling her overrated just don't have interest or can connect to her story.

Whereas most people can connect Dr. William H. Cosby, Jr. and his stories.
 
2014-06-03 11:09:27 AM

fireclown: FTFA:"To him and his ridiculousness, I say, "Oppenheimer, be for real." "

Well, the author does have her opponent firmly in the iron grip of logic.

The bottom line is pretty much if you don't actually earn a PhD or MD, you don't rate the honorific doctor.  An honorary doctorate means that the school really likes you, and that you are kinda awesome based on that, but it's not an official PhD/MD.  Angilou is wrong for calling herself Dr Angilou.

/go ahead.  I've been called racist by better looking people than YOU.


But in her field, she probably did more, wrote more, and knew more about poetry and literature than people who just sat in classes.  Her life experience shouldn't be discounted as if it didn't matter.  If it takes X number of hours learning literature to become a Doctor in it, and she has 10 times that amount from actually living it and doing it, then why shouldn't it count?
 
2014-06-03 11:10:18 AM

Rising Ape: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

Dr. was a religious & academic title before physicians adopted it (the original English word for a medical practitioner being "leech"). In fact it comes from the Latin word for "teacher",

Insisting on it non-professionally is a bit pretentious, but that's true for medical doctors too.


Opening credits.  Begin movie "CSB"

Cast: the uber-sexy and ultra-talented megastar, K3rmy as Himself

Setting: Call Center
When: Over a decade ago in the past
Cue scene:  K3rmy, loved by all, on the phone at a technical call center.
"Click Start, then click run.  Now type REGEDIT and press the ENTER key"
"Sure, I will be happy to assist you with swapping the motherboard out with the replacement you received from us today"
"We are going to boot into SAFE MODE, okay?  Now, when you turn on the system. . ."
All was wonderful (as could be in call center land - until)
"That you for calling *company* portable tech support, this is K3rmy"
"Yes, K3rmy, this is DOCTOR (their emphasis, not mine) So-and-So"
Now, as a lowly ranked peon, K3rmy was required to use said prefix if the customer requested it.  Normally, he would refrain from addressing the user at all until the end of the converstion.
"To recap, the purpose of the call was that there was a dead hamster in your CD-ROM tray and we have resolved the issue by removing said rodent.  In the future to prevent this, I would suggest that slices of provolone cheese do not go is said tray, even if they are round and of matching size, agreed?"
Doctor So-and-so, "Agreed."
"I do thank you for calling "company" portable tech support and hope you have a good evening, BOB!!" and then end the call.
Roll credits.  Await Oscar nominations for a brilliant performance.

Yeah yeah - childish, I know.
 
2014-06-03 11:11:40 AM

Bf+: I don't care, I'm still naming my son "Dr. Judge Bf+ the Third, PHD"


Recently I've been trying to convince Mrs. Orange that our first child should be named "Lord Chancellor".  She's not on board completely, but she does agree it has a nice ring to it.  "Chance" would make a great nickname.
 
2014-06-03 11:11:59 AM
1. You can call yourself Dr because you have an honorary doctorate
2. But you're being a pretentious douchebag if you do

I don't know much about Maya Angelou, except that white women love writing her quotes to seem wise. Was she a good person or not? You tell me. But on this matter, she was being a pretentious douchebag.
 
2014-06-03 11:12:27 AM

LucklessWonder: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

What if you're a Gallifreyan Time Lord?


Then you're entitled to call yourself "The".
 
2014-06-03 11:12:38 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

^ This.  If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.


Actually, you two have it backwards. M.D.'s don't do original research. Medical practitioners are the ones adopting the "Dr." out of place. :)
 
2014-06-03 11:12:46 AM
what about dr science, he has a masters degree, in science!
 
2014-06-03 11:13:34 AM
Why is this even a debate?  It's very simple.  If you can't prescribe medicine, you're not a doctor.

You may have "doctorate" degree in something other than medicine, and that's great.  Looks nice on a resume, but it doesn't make you a doctor.

Also, if you don't have an MD and insist that people call you 'doctor', you're a narcissistic farkwad who more than likely flunked-out of Med School like all the other chiropractors.

/Bill Cosby has at least one honorary doctorate.  I don't see him running around referring to himself as, Dr. Bill Cosby.
 
2014-06-03 11:13:52 AM
"I'm not a doctor, but I do look like one; and I'm being paid to ask you this important question..."

/Police State
//Police State
///Police State
//Help! It's the police!
 
2014-06-03 11:13:57 AM
www.filmdispenser.com
 
2014-06-03 11:14:01 AM
Could she have? Most certainly. Should she have? No. Unless she was a narcissistic asshole.
 
2014-06-03 11:14:41 AM

Jack Harper: Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

^ This.  If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.

I don't intend to insist on being called Dr., but I think anyone who got a PhD by apprenticing under a professor and doing original research has every right to be called Dr. That's what it used to mean. M.D.s co-opted it when they were actually something like apprentices. Now it's just a professional certificate, so why not let the DDSs, ODs, DOs, and EdDs further sully the title?


Ditto. I'm not getting the damn thing to be called "Doctor," but I reserve that right; it's a lot of hard work, regardless of what others may think about its practical value. It's true that plenty of PhDs are idiots outside of their area of specialty, but plenty of mundanes regular folks are like that too.

In line at the bank: doesn't matter, won't use it. At a conference of my peers: matters, will use it if everyone else is. In the classroom: sort of matters, may use it.  Picking up/impressing women: too sad to contemplate.
 
2014-06-03 11:15:31 AM

Rising Ape: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

Dr. was a religious & academic title before physicians adopted it (the original English word for a medical practitioner being "leech"). In fact it comes from the Latin word for "teacher",

Insisting on it non-professionally is a bit pretentious, but that's true for medical doctors too.


Even more pretentious for a lawn mower.

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2014-06-03 11:15:48 AM

untaken_name: Snarfangel: I think only philosophers should be granted Ph.D's.

What *is* a philosopher, really?


A BS artist.
 
2014-06-03 11:15:55 AM

chaddsfarkprefect: Try calling the restaurant guy in whites a cook, talk about misplaced sensitivity.


Seriously? Unless you're running the kitchen (and not just the line) you're not a chef.

/And we only call our chef by title when there are other people around
 
2014-06-03 11:16:07 AM

Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.


If you think that Dr. is a title only for, or even primarily for, physicians then you might have a laughably bad understanding of the word Doctor.
 
2014-06-03 11:16:13 AM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Why is this even a debate?  It's very simple.  If you can't prescribe medicine, you're not a doctor.


The original use of the term Doctor means you were considered well enough educated in an academic field to teach it.  That's all.  It is not exclusive to the medical profession.
 
2014-06-03 11:16:33 AM
This is my favorite part:

"Maya Angelou's work and words were a mainstay of my childhood. I vividly remember my mother's copy of "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" lying around the house....Even though I didn't read "Caged Bird" until college"
 
2014-06-03 11:16:35 AM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Why is this even a debate?  It's very simple.  If you can't prescribe medicine, you're not a doctor.

You may have "doctorate" degree in something other than medicine, and that's great.  Looks nice on a resume, but it doesn't make you a doctor.

Also, if you don't have an MD and insist that people call you 'doctor', you're a narcissistic farkwad who more than likely flunked-out of Med School like all the other chiropractors.

/Bill Cosby has at least one honorary doctorate.  I don't see him running around referring to himself as, Dr. Bill Cosby.


He has a real one (Temple, PhD in education, c.1970) and twenty or so honoraries.

He uses it for script and producing credits, but not in everyday life.
 
Bf+
2014-06-03 11:17:23 AM

Kraftwerk Orange: Bf+: I don't care, I'm still naming my son "Dr. Judge Bf+ the Third, PHD"

Recently I've been trying to convince Mrs. Orange that our first child should be named "Lord Chancellor".  She's not on board completely, but she does agree it has a nice ring to it.  "Chance" would make a great nickname.



Chance-y, L-Chance... I think you're on to something.
Well, you can tell her some anonymous guy on the internet thinks it's a great idea and said you should totally go for it.
It might just be the tipping point.
 
2014-06-03 11:17:55 AM

stonicus: If it takes X number of hours learning literature to become a Doctor in it, and she has 10 times that amount from actually living it and doing it, then why shouldn't it count?


For the same reason that I don't get an honorary CDL just because I've been driving a car for a long time.
 
2014-06-03 11:18:35 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

^ This.  If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.


upload.wikimedia.org
I bet you absolutely hate this guy.
(He's only an honorary Kentucky Colonel)
 
2014-06-03 11:19:50 AM
I never even heard of this woman, until after she died, and it was on the news.
 
2014-06-03 11:20:44 AM

lamecomedian: This is my favorite part:

"Maya Angelou's work and words were a mainstay of my childhood. I vividly remember my mother's copy of "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" lying around the house....Even though I didn't read "Caged Bird" until college"


It really tied the room together.
 
2014-06-03 11:20:53 AM

farkeruk: 1. You can call yourself Dr because you have an honorary doctorate
2. But you're being a pretentious douchebag if you do

I don't know much about Maya Angelou, except that white women love writing her quotes to seem wise. Was she a good person or not? You tell me. But on this matter, she was being a pretentious douchebag.


Is it really pretension to use an honorific that more than 50 universities have gone out of the way to express that you deserve? Postension maybe? Or just "appropriate"? Unless someone wants to make the argument that Maya Angelou couldn't have gotten a DFA or Ph.D. the standard way, and took the easy way out by becoming a phenomenally successful and influential poet and author instead.
 
2014-06-03 11:21:07 AM
Dr. Bill Cosby, JP

(jello puddin')
 
2014-06-03 11:21:35 AM
Also not a doctor.:

news.kjosy.com
 
2014-06-03 11:21:38 AM
Wow. What a stupid waste of an article.
No, she's not a real doctor. There isn't even a decent argument and anyway she's dead.
 
2014-06-03 11:22:04 AM

stonicus: Marcus Aurelius: Sybarite: Every use of Dr. before you're name when you are not an M.D. is pretentious.

^ This.  If you have a PhD and insist on being called "doctor", you are most likely a complete moron that wishes they were actually intelligent.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 232x300]
I bet you absolutely hate this guy.
(He's only an honorary Kentucky Colonel)


So is Johnny Depp.
 
2014-06-03 11:22:22 AM
minaday.com

Is getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2014-06-03 11:22:36 AM
stonicus:
I bet you absolutely hate this guy.
(He's only an honorary Kentucky Colonel)


Hey now... I happen to be a Kentucky Colonel. And I believe our beloved Drew is one, as well.
 
2014-06-03 11:23:00 AM

Kraftwerk Orange: Bf+: I don't care, I'm still naming my son "Dr. Judge Bf+ the Third, PHD"

Recently I've been trying to convince Mrs. Orange that our first child should be named "Lord Chancellor".  She's not on board completely, but she does agree it has a nice ring to it.  "Chance" would make a great nickname.


I think "Supreme Commander" has a nice ring
 
2014-06-03 11:23:12 AM

stonicus: fireclown: FTFA:"To him and his ridiculousness, I say, "Oppenheimer, be for real." "

Well, the author does have her opponent firmly in the iron grip of logic.

The bottom line is pretty much if you don't actually earn a PhD or MD, you don't rate the honorific doctor.  An honorary doctorate means that the school really likes you, and that you are kinda awesome based on that, but it's not an official PhD/MD.  Angilou is wrong for calling herself Dr Angilou.

/go ahead.  I've been called racist by better looking people than YOU.

But in her field, she probably did more, wrote more, and knew more about poetry and literature than people who just sat in classes.  Her life experience shouldn't be discounted as if it didn't matter.  If it takes X number of hours learning literature to become a Doctor in it, and she has 10 times that amount from actually living it and doing it, then why shouldn't it count?


I have been working in IT for over 15 years. That doesn't make me a network engineer. It is a title given to people who have put in the academic hours and course study. She wasn't a PhD. She had more than enough time to get one. And it probably wouldn't have been all that difficult for her but she didn't put in the work to obtain the PhD. As such she should not have called herself Doctor no matter how much the woman at Salon wants to try to justify it. So Angelou was a jerk about certain things, like being called Dr when she wasn't one. Lots of artists are jerks, doesn't reduce the importance of their art.
 
Bf+
2014-06-03 11:23:13 AM
This just in...
jlcauvin.comwww.unysonlogistics.com

We're not making any claims, just questioning the validity Rug Doctor's "degree".  Is he really a doctor, or was the document "doctored"?
Joining us on our panel, ladies and gentlemen, is Joe the Plumber... Welcome, Joe.
 
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