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(Talking Points Memo)   Obama: Look, we talked to Congress about doing prisoner swaps to get our boys back and get rid of our Gitmo prisoners. Ya know what happened? They did nothing and we had a closing window. Why does Congress hate American soldiers?   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2014-06-03 07:59:47 AM  
Oh, this will be fun to follow.

It's not like they keep records of congressional meetings and records or anything.

Hey, it got him past the question didn't it?
 
2014-06-03 08:04:20 AM  
I thought the way Congress has treated active duty soldiers and veterans shows that they don't care about our military.  Unless it's budget for equipment the military doesn't want.  In that case the checkbook is open!

/Shinseki retired and apparently all the VA wait times went to 0!  Great jorb!
 
2014-06-03 08:05:30 AM  
Those artificial time limits sure are politically convenient.
 
2014-06-03 08:05:31 AM  
Congress do nothing? Teh hell you say!
 
2014-06-03 08:08:20 AM  
Also, how did Susan Rice end up shepherding this topic in front of the press again? That's pretty much a admission that there's some lying going on.
 
2014-06-03 08:09:33 AM  
Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.
 
2014-06-03 08:13:02 AM  

Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.


okay, get back to me when you decide that Reagan should've been impeached too for selling arms to terrorists for hostages, even delaying the hostage release so he can win a damn election.

When you figure that out, tell me how, exactly, Reagan was less evil than Obama.
 
2014-06-03 08:16:20 AM  

Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.


You see a man being beaten by a thug across the street, you have the capability to stop it, is it acceptable to jaywalk to stop the beating faster, or do you go out of your way to find a crosswalk and let the man endure the beating longer?
 
2014-06-03 08:17:07 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Also, how did Susan Rice end up shepherding this topic in front of the press again? That's pretty much a admission that there's some lying going on.


Trolling is more like it.  And you're on the hook already.
 
2014-06-03 08:17:32 AM  
Man...the derpers are almost as riled up about this as they are about Jay Carney.
 
2014-06-03 08:17:51 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.

You see a man being beaten by a thug across the street, you have the capability to stop it, is it acceptable to jaywalk to stop the beating faster, or do you go out of your way to find a crosswalk and let the man endure the beating longer?


First you need to tell us whether either of them is black.
 
2014-06-03 08:18:11 AM  
I say run with this, GOP.  You haven't quite alienated all the military folks yet
 
2014-06-03 08:20:54 AM  
So breaking a law to bring a soldier back from a war is terrible and impeachable, yet illegally starting a war is ok?

/ just askin'
 
2014-06-03 08:21:00 AM  
Doesn't the law say it requires the Executive branch to "notify" not "seek approval"  wouldn't consulting congress be considered notification?
 
2014-06-03 08:21:29 AM  
"Our terrorist adversaries now have a strong incentive to capture Americans. That incentive will put our forces in Afghanistan and around the world at even greater risk," they said.

Now?
NOW?
NOW???!?!?!??!??!
 
2014-06-03 08:21:45 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Also, how did Susan Rice end up shepherding this topic in front of the press again? That's pretty much a admission that there's some lying going on.


Susan Rice is only actually discredited in the fevered imaginations of Benghazi truthers.
 
2014-06-03 08:22:56 AM  

EvilEgg: I say run with this, GOP.  You haven't quite alienated all the military folks yet


All of my military buddies are quite pissed at the trade, actually. They believe Bergdahl was a deserter that resulted in quite a few of their fellow soldiers getting killed looking for him.

It remains to be seen whether this guy returned with honor or not.
 
2014-06-03 08:24:43 AM  
Don't be absurd, subby

/you don/t need to be an American soldier for Congress to hate you
//just American is enough
 
2014-06-03 08:24:49 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: TuteTibiImperes: Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.

You see a man being beaten by a thug across the street, you have the capability to stop it, is it acceptable to jaywalk to stop the beating faster, or do you go out of your way to find a crosswalk and let the man endure the beating longer?

First you need to tell us whether either of them is black.


There you go.
 
2014-06-03 08:25:03 AM  
They don't, they just hate Obama. And rescuing American soldiers makes Obama look good.
 
2014-06-03 08:25:43 AM  

Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.


Tell ya what, we may actually have an instance of Obama breaking the law. Let's go ahead and get that impeachment process started and we'll see if we can convict him for the act of trying to get an american soldier back home. I'm sure it'll go over quite well....
 
2014-06-03 08:29:15 AM  
"Let me just make a very simple point here. And that is regardless of the circumstances, whatever those circumstances may turn out to be, we still get an American soldier back if he's held in captivity," Obama said of Bergdahl. "Period. Full stop. We don't condition that."


Translation:
Stop questioning what  I do!
 
2014-06-03 08:30:06 AM  

kidgenius: Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.

Tell ya what, we may actually have an instance of Obama breaking the law. Let's go ahead and get that impeachment process started and we'll see if we can convict him for the act of trying to get an american soldier back home. I'm sure it'll go over quite well....


Yes, but as you've already seen in this thread the GOP talking point is that the guy was a traitor and deserter. And furthermore. Prolly another secret muslin like the guy that rescued him dontchaknow.
 
2014-06-03 08:30:48 AM  

joness0154: EvilEgg: I say run with this, GOP.  You haven't quite alienated all the military folks yet

All of my military buddies are quite pissed at the trade, actually. They believe Bergdahl was a deserter that resulted in quite a few of their fellow soldiers getting killed looking for him.

It remains to be seen whether this guy returned with honor or not.


Whether he deserted or not is immaterial to the trade itself IMO; we can't set the precedent of leaving a man in enemy hands, no matter the circumstances. On the other hand, if it is shown that he deserted that isn't something that should be papered over.
 
2014-06-03 08:32:11 AM  

Danger Mouse: "Let me just make a very simple point here. And that is regardless of the circumstances, whatever those circumstances may turn out to be, we still get an American soldier back if he's held in captivity," Obama said of Bergdahl. "Period. Full stop. We don't condition that."


Translation:
Stop questioning what  I do!



Isn't one of the military's mottos "Leave no man behind?"

Why do you hate our troops, and therefore America?
 
2014-06-03 08:32:50 AM  

EvilEgg: I say run with this, GOP.  You haven't quite alienated all the military folks yet



I don't see the "military folks" being Team Obama on this one.
 
2014-06-03 08:33:47 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Don't be absurd, subby


when have you ever known me to be absurd, sir :P
 
2014-06-03 08:35:15 AM  

joness0154: EvilEgg: I say run with this, GOP.  You haven't quite alienated all the military folks yet

All of my military buddies are quite pissed at the trade, actually. They believe Bergdahl was a deserter that resulted in quite a few of their fellow soldiers getting killed looking for him.

It remains to be seen whether this guy returned with honor or not.


Ya know, I understand where they're coming from.  Allegorically, I hate it when people are nice to someone I hate.  But none of that changes anything.  If he deserted his post, then he should be given a trial, just like any other military member or civilian.  But by  not securing his release when we have the opportunity, we are depriving him of the opportunity for the fair trial to which he is entitled.  Maybe he's guilty, maybe not, I don't know, but there's only one way to find out.
 
2014-06-03 08:35:26 AM  

Danger Mouse: "Let me just make a very simple point here. And that is regardless of the circumstances, whatever those circumstances may turn out to be, we still get an American soldier back if he's held in captivity," Obama said of Bergdahl. "Period. Full stop. We don't condition that."


Translation:
Stop questioning what  I do!


Translation: Why the f*ck do you guys want our soldiers to remain tortured and imprisoned?
 
2014-06-03 08:36:20 AM  

joness0154: EvilEgg: I say run with this, GOP.  You haven't quite alienated all the military folks yet

All of my military buddies are quite pissed at the trade, actually. They believe Bergdahl was a deserter that resulted in quite a few of their fellow soldiers getting killed looking for him.

It remains to be seen whether this guy returned with honor or not.


They used to tell us "Don't believe anything you hear, an only half of what you see."

Went double at REFTRA.

Last thing we need now are foxhole lawyers.
 
2014-06-03 08:36:29 AM  
And people actually believe the asshole?
 
2014-06-03 08:38:39 AM  
The GOP is on record opposing bringing POW's home.
 
2014-06-03 08:38:58 AM  
they are wanting to get rid of those guys at Gitmo anyway. They've not been charged with anything. They've been held for over a decade on suspicion alone. This way we get one of ours back. Good Lord Israel lets go a lot of prisoners just to get the remains of one of theirs back.
 
2014-06-03 08:39:00 AM  

WTFDYW: And people actually believe the asshole?


Maybe he can say that his heart tells him it's true but the facts and evidence tell him otherwise, and just have everyone go "Oh, you" and forgive him like the forgetful grandpa at the end of a 1980s sitcom.
 
2014-06-03 08:39:24 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.

You see a man being beaten by a thug across the street, you have the capability to stop it, is it acceptable to jaywalk to stop the beating faster, or do you go out of your way to find a crosswalk and let the man endure the beating longer?


Why didn't the man Stand His Ground against the thug? He must have been some liberal anti-2nd Amendment constitution hater.
 
2014-06-03 08:40:59 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.

You see a man being beaten by a thug across the street, you have the capability to stop it, is it acceptable to jaywalk to stop the beating faster, or do you go out of your way to find a crosswalk and let the man endure the beating longer?


I have a  bumper hitch that needs the chrome removed, your name came up for some reason.
 
2014-06-03 08:41:48 AM  

clkeagle: TuteTibiImperes: Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.

You see a man being beaten by a thug across the street, you have the capability to stop it, is it acceptable to jaywalk to stop the beating faster, or do you go out of your way to find a crosswalk and let the man endure the beating longer?

Why didn't the man Stand His Ground against the thug? He must have been some liberal anti-2nd Amendment constitution hater.


To be fair, I heard a rumor that the man was once charged with a DUI. You should just leave him to be beat to death because we are all judgy now.
 
2014-06-03 08:41:48 AM  

WTFDYW: And people actually believe the asshole?


well, he's a senile old man in the 1980s who gave up on a chance with Gorbachev to have a mutual nuke dismantling, but he couldn't do it because it was politically bad....oh, and he won an election because he convinced Iran to hold our hostages a bit longer and he'll give them weapons

oh....you meant the black guy, didn't you?
 
2014-06-03 08:41:58 AM  

Hobodeluxe: they are wanting to get rid of those guys at Gitmo anyway. They've not been charged with anything. They've been held for over a decade on suspicion alone. This way we get one of ours back. Good Lord Israel lets go a lot of prisoners just to get the remains of one of theirs back.


You're forgetting one important fact in your so-called "analysis": everything Israel does is correct by virtue of it being Israel, and everything Obama does is inherently wrong by virtue of his being Obama.
 
2014-06-03 08:42:46 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's not like they keep records of congressional meetings and records or anything.


Exactly. Plenty of precedent that the president is willing to meet with republican domestic terrorists.  Why should the Taliban be treated any differently than John Boehner?  Let them deal.
 
2014-06-03 08:42:53 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: "Our terrorist adversaries now have a strong incentive to capture Americans. That incentive will put our forces in Afghanistan and around the world at even greater risk," they said.

Now?
NOW?
NOW???!?!?!??!??!


So instead of killing American soldiers, they might instead capture them, and they think that is a bad thing?
 
2014-06-03 08:43:03 AM  

kronicfeld: Hobodeluxe: they are wanting to get rid of those guys at Gitmo anyway. They've not been charged with anything. They've been held for over a decade on suspicion alone. This way we get one of ours back. Good Lord Israel lets go a lot of prisoners just to get the remains of one of theirs back.

You're forgetting one important fact in your so-called "analysis": everything Israel does is correct by virtue of it being Israel, and everything Obama does is inherently wrong by virtue of his being Obama.


Well, Israelis aren't really that black.
 
2014-06-03 08:43:23 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Chris Ween: Ok, so lets say it is true.  He is admitting that it was a law and that he violated it as being inconvenient.  Well, let me tell you about the laws I find inconvenient.  I'm going to declare myself sovereign just like Obama.

You see a man being beaten by a thug across the street, you have the capability to stop it, is it acceptable to jaywalk to stop the beating faster, or do you go out of your way to find a crosswalk and let the man endure the beating longer?


BENGHAZI!!!
 
2014-06-03 08:43:28 AM  

somedude210: Danger Mouse: "Let me just make a very simple point here. And that is regardless of the circumstances, whatever those circumstances may turn out to be, we still get an American soldier back if he's held in captivity," Obama said of Bergdahl. "Period. Full stop. We don't condition that."


Translation:
Stop questioning what  I do!

Translation: Why the f*ck do you guys want our soldiers to remain tortured and imprisoned?


Because the GOP needs new fapping material. There hasn't been a school shooting in several days.
 
2014-06-03 08:44:59 AM  

somedude210: he won an election because he convinced Iran to hold our hostages a bit longer and he'll give them weapons

.

I am incredulous that people accepted that, and wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it myself.

Blowjob = IMPEACH!!!!!
Melanin = IMPEACH!!!!!
Treason = MOUNT RUSHMORE!!!!!!
 
2014-06-03 08:46:34 AM  

amiable: Doesn't the law say it requires the Executive branch to "notify" not "seek approval"  wouldn't consulting congress be considered notification?


Not the way the bill is worded (pg. 182). It's not just that they have to notify Congress, but have to notify 8 different committees in Congress of the plan and have to provide them an entire file on each prisoner including all their records as well as an explanation of why the person is no longer a threat and what steps have been taken to ensure they never become a threat again. Obama has been trying to get this deal done with Congress for over two years but that was always in private meetings with small bipartisan groups of Senators and not sending out reams of paperwork to each committee as required by the latest defense bill.

Chances are this is going to be a Supreme Court issue; Obama included a signing statement that he didn't recognize that clause as Constitutional because of the vast powers to execute foreign policy afforded the Executive branch in the Constitution.
 
2014-06-03 08:50:44 AM  
The law only states that Congress has to be notified in advance whenever a prisoner might be released from Guantanamo (It actually has nothing to do with exchanges, or with this particular exchange).

That being said, it should be relatively easy to prove that the state department had many conversations over the last two years mentioning that a prisoner swap may/would occur if given the right opportunity.

Basically, this is just typical GOP being douche bags.

Also, as for Berghdal himself, I'm with Obama 100% on this. You don't give a shiat about the reasons why someone was captured (deserting or not), you always get our servicemen back if you can. Always. It's up to the military justice system to bring any charges they want against him, although I suspect that regardless of if they do charge him will desertion or not, he will be very unlikely to serve any time for it. The guy spent 5 years in captivity already, give him a dishonourable discharge and be done with it.
 
2014-06-03 08:51:10 AM  

born_yesterday: I am incredulous that people accepted that, and wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it myself.

Blowjob = IMPEACH!!!!!
Melanin = IMPEACH!!!!!
Treason = MOUNT RUSHMORE!!!!!!


pretty much. Reagan was a great speaker, I'll give him that. He is as memorable for his speeches as Kennedy was. Kennedy actually did some good though.
 
2014-06-03 08:51:52 AM  

HooskerDoo: BENGHAZI!!!


The Daily Caller has coined the term "Bergdahlazi" over this.  As a veteran I was on the fence over whether we got a fair deal trading a PFC (promoted in absentia to SGT) for two commanders and three mid-level guys.  But man, Tucker Carlson can really make someone not care about conservative poutrage.
 
2014-06-03 08:57:14 AM  

T-Servo: So breaking a law to bring a soldier back from a war is terrible and impeachable, yet illegally starting a war is ok?

/ just askin'

 
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