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(News.com.au)   So let's pull back the curtains in first class and see what really goes on at the pointy end of the plane   (news.com.au ) divider line
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2014-06-03 09:14:54 AM  
Sour grapes much? That said, there are a lot of differences in Australian first class and American Business/First class apparently.

1)  My SO is a million miler and platinum with Delta and almost always gets upgraded to business class.

2) Who cares if something makes you look like a "tosser" to poor people?

3) Boarding still allows families with young children and the elderly to board before first class.

4) Skipping over the regional jets, most planes-at least in Delta's fleet, have the first class cabin ahead of the boarding door, so the economy folks don't have to walk past the "tossers".

5) Domestic first class is still worth it. Not just for arm and leg room, but also for the fact that there are a lot fewer children up there. That alone is worth the price tag.

6) I've seen just as many folks in economy leave their phones on after the door is shut as in first class. People act like entitled assholes regardless of their station on the plane.

7) In first class, you can easily tell your flight attendant that you don't want to be disturbed and they'll remember that.

8) Delta's first class does not compare to a lot of other airlines' first class areas. Even with the Westin Heavenly sleepers.
 
2014-06-03 09:21:33 AM  
Yeah, that's the rant of someone who will never be able to afford first class and only got to see it by whipping out a press badge. Maybe they'd pay you enough to afford it if your articles were more than rage and jealousy.
 
2014-06-03 10:00:12 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-03 10:21:04 AM  
If my flight time is longer than 2 hours I'll consider it. If it's longer than 5 hours it is mandatory.
 
2014-06-03 10:46:52 AM  
I prefer to take the sub-orbital.
 
2014-06-03 11:27:28 AM  
I've always assumed it was an giant orgy with free booze and blow.
 
2014-06-03 11:31:30 AM  
I'm not really that shocked. That first class seat in the video cost more than my first car.

/And since he wrote an article about it, he gets to claim it as a business expense.
 
2014-06-03 11:35:36 AM  
Domestic First Class is basically the same as economy was pre-9/11 with the addition of slightly more comfortable seats and a free drink.  I flew first for business earlier this year and was underwhelmed, particularly since the ticket cost about triple what an economy fare would have been.
 
2014-06-03 11:59:09 AM  

Stile4aly: Domestic First Class is basically the same as economy was pre-9/11 with the addition of slightly more comfortable seats and a free drink.  I flew first for business earlier this year and was underwhelmed, particularly since the ticket cost about triple what an economy fare would have been.


Right? A few years back I was pricing plane tickets to from DC to TLV - would have been cheaper to buy two seats next to each other than a single first-class seat. If I'd had the money, the idea of buying that last row (2 seats each side IIRC) and laying out on it appeals to me far more than a cuter flight staff and a free drink.

// alcohol is death to me on airplanes anyway
 
2014-06-03 12:06:01 PM  

stpauler: there are a lot of differences in Australian first class and American Business/First class apparently.


Not quite. You're comparing international first class to domestic first class. International business class (J) is miles above domestic first/business class both in terms of price (2-3 times more expensive) and experience. International first class is a moderate step up from international business in terms of experience, but is again a huge jump in price (again, 2-3 times more expensive than J). A few airlines offer another level above that: first class suite. Unfortunately, I don't know much about that.

FWIW, very few airlines offer international first class and the majority of people that fly it fall into two categories:
1. People flying long-haul very often and as a result, do a miles-for-upgrade when availability exists.
2. People that feel the added privacy that (international) first class provides (over its business counterpart) is a good value.
 
2014-06-03 12:24:39 PM  

digistil: stpauler: there are a lot of differences in Australian first class and American Business/First class apparently.

Not quite. You're comparing international first class to domestic first class. International business class (J) is miles above domestic first/business class both in terms of price (2-3 times more expensive) and experience. International first class is a moderate step up from international business in terms of experience, but is again a huge jump in price (again, 2-3 times more expensive than J). A few airlines offer another level above that: first class suite. Unfortunately, I don't know much about that.

FWIW, very few airlines offer international first class and the majority of people that fly it fall into two categories:
1. People flying long-haul very often and as a result, do a miles-for-upgrade when availability exists.
2. People that feel the added privacy that (international) first class provides (over its business counterpart) is a good value.


Some airlines have great Business class in a 2-class setup such as United (Continental's) BusinessFirst while simultaneously having an 8 across (2-4-2 config) in a 3-Class setup. Others have angle-flat seats in business instead of lie-flat while maintaining 2-2-2 across. Lie flat is all I care about, so I will (and have) "suffer" United's 8 abreast "Business" (economy is 9 abreast on their 3-class 777) instead of a terribly uncomfortable "angle-flat" seat or worse a wide recliner.

/Air miles are a glorious thing
//I've never paid for it in my life
///For the extra couple of thousand, stay at the ritz at your destination for a week
////Unless you have more money than you know what to do it
//MOAR BOOZE WENCH!
 
2014-06-03 12:25:40 PM  
I'm sure it's nice, but I'd much rather sit back in prole class and pocket the enormous savings for more fun stuff wherever I'm going.
 
2014-06-03 12:40:31 PM  
People who can afford nicer stuff than me are tossers.

Of course let's forget that only something like 17% of first class seats are actually paid for. The rest are free upgrades or points upgrades. Anyone who has ever been in first is a liar if they say they don't find it awesome. The instant "I'm better than you" feeling that you get is worth it just to understand how that happens to the wealthy their whole lives.

/frequent flier, mostly on Southwest these days those so no first class
 
2014-06-03 12:43:00 PM  

stpauler: Sour grapes much? That said, there are a lot of differences in Australian first class and American Business/First class apparently.

1)  My SO is a million miler and platinum with Delta and almost always gets upgraded to business class.

2) Who cares if something makes you look like a "tosser" to poor people?

3) Boarding still allows families with young children and the elderly to board before first class.

4) Skipping over the regional jets, most planes-at least in Delta's fleet, have the first class cabin ahead of the boarding door, so the economy folks don't have to walk past the "tossers".

5) Domestic first class is still worth it. Not just for arm and leg room, but also for the fact that there are a lot fewer children up there. That alone is worth the price tag.

6) I've seen just as many folks in economy leave their phones on after the door is shut as in first class. People act like entitled assholes regardless of their station on the plane.

7) In first class, you can easily tell your flight attendant that you don't want to be disturbed and they'll remember that.

8) Delta's first class does not compare to a lot of other airlines' first class areas. Even with the Westin Heavenly sleepers.



Only people with blue slips (disability) board before first class.
I wouldn't pay for domestic first class myself, maybe on a NY-CA flight, but the cost difference is very high. For that price I can nearly get to Europe in first.
 
2014-06-03 01:19:50 PM  
Lately I've had to fly the DC-NY shuttle on a fairly regular basis. I have no idea why people bother with first class on that route. It's usually about a 50 minute flight and the main cabin is hardly ever half-full. The first calss section is always packed.
 
2014-06-03 01:24:52 PM  
It's full of wankers

All that needed to be said, really.
 
2014-06-03 02:23:17 PM  

nocturnal001: People who can afford nicer stuff than me are tossers.

Of course let's forget that only something like 17% of first class seats are actually paid for. The rest are free upgrades or points upgrades. Anyone who has ever been in first is a liar if they say they don't find it awesome. The instant "I'm better than you" feeling that you get is worth it just to understand how that happens to the wealthy their whole lives.

/frequent flier, mostly on Southwest these days those so no first class


I flew 1st Class on American Eagle. It sucked.
 
2014-06-03 02:35:21 PM  

ScreamingLemur46: Lately I've had to fly the DC-NY shuttle on a fairly regular basis. I have no idea why people bother with first class on that route. It's usually about a 50 minute flight and the main cabin is hardly ever half-full. The first calss section is always packed.


99% of them are upgrades I'm sure.
 
2014-06-03 03:57:39 PM  

stpauler: Sour grapes much? That said, there are a lot of differences in Australian first class and American Business/First class apparently.


yeah, because i think the closest country to australia is like a 10 hour flight.  I could almost fly to paris and back in less time then it takes for some one in australia to fly to asia, let alone europe or the americas.

oh well, i just shot from the hip, might be wrong.

either way, the longer the trip, the greater the disparity between first class and poor people class.

/ i fly lots of first class, because i'm in a family of airline people.  so i fly like a third class citizen, but coach and first class are the same price, and, strangely enough, IF i'm allowed on an airplane, it's more likely to be first class than coach.  that glass of champagne is a celebration.  i was a lot more anxious than anyone else waiting in line.  and, it's gotten weirder now that I can watch the passenger list updated real time on my phone. it's like, oh please god, some one make sure BRA, A party of 2 does not make it!  I'm next!  quick, create a distraction, only 10 minutes!
// some day i'll be rich and start paying full fare and sitting in coach.  but, at least then i could fly where/when i wanted to.
 
2014-06-03 04:43:11 PM  
Man, I wish we got champagne on arrival in American domestic first class.  We get plastic cups of water instead.  I haven't even been on a flight where they had champagne as an option.  It's usually a choice between red or white wine (no choice on type).  Then they'll have 1-3 beers maybe and some tiny liquor bottles.  Either way, I don't drink on flights as I don't want to have to pee every half hour like some people do.

It's of course better than coach for the seat size alone, but the "perks" in American domestic first class are minimal at best.  Basically it's just a pass into the "faster" security line, access to their first class lounge IF they have one at that airport, early boarding, a nicer/bigger seat, a free meal of average to questionable quality, free drinks with a limited selection, a hot towel, and usually nicer/more attentive service (sometimes the FA is not that friendly but has to pretend to be).

This is all for triple the price of a normal ticket if you are paying out of pocket so I'm not sure how worth it would be for people who can't really afford it or don't want to spend that kind of money which is why most people are upgraders anyway.
 
2014-06-03 06:51:10 PM  

nocturnal001: Only people with blue slips (disability) board before first class.


Military in uniform boards with elderly.
 
2014-06-03 07:28:12 PM  
The cockpit? What is it?
 
2014-06-04 03:00:26 AM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: I'm sure it's nice, but I'd much rather sit back in prole class and pocket the enormous savings for more fun stuff wherever I'm going.


The flight from Seattle to Costa Rica is eight hours in the air. Roundtrip is 16 hours. The difference in cost between business/first class and coach was $300 roundtrip -- about $20 an hour. Couple the bigger seats, loading and deplaning first, free alcohol (no limit), great food, and no crying babies with the $20 an hour premium and it's a win/win. Totally worth it.
 
2014-06-04 09:23:24 AM  

PillsHere: Man, I wish we got champagne on arrival in American domestic first class.  We get plastic cups of water instead.  I haven't even been on a flight where they had champagne as an option.  It's usually a choice between red or white wine (no choice on type).  Then they'll have 1-3 beers maybe and some tiny liquor bottles.  Either way, I don't drink on flights as I don't want to have to pee every half hour like some people do.

It's of course better than coach for the seat size alone, but the "perks" in American domestic first class are minimal at best.  Basically it's just a pass into the "faster" security line, access to their first class lounge IF they have one at that airport, early boarding, a nicer/bigger seat, a free meal of average to questionable quality, free drinks with a limited selection, a hot towel, and usually nicer/more attentive service (sometimes the FA is not that friendly but has to pretend to be).

This is all for triple the price of a normal ticket if you are paying out of pocket so I'm not sure how worth it would be for people who can't really afford it or don't want to spend that kind of money which is why most people are upgraders anyway.


It's all about international flights. That's where you get the champagne and premium food/wine.
 
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