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2014-06-02 05:47:18 PM
Wait, I'm confused about something. In this article, he that he still has more documents to release.

However he said that he had more documents to release relating to US spying on countries that include Britain and Brazil.

http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-seeks-asylum-sunny-brazil-044217236.ht ml

However, 5 days ago, he said:

"The reality is today, I hold no documents at all," he said in interview excerpts released Thursday, one day after the extended interview aired in an NBC primetime special.
...
"Now, I could've held on to that and tried to use it to - to threaten the government," Snowden said. "I could've used it to try to sell it or enrich myself. But that would've gone against everything that I was trying to do."
"So the question was, what do I do with it at that point?" he continued. "And the solution that I came up with was to destroy it. To take it out of my hands and entrust it fully to the institutions of the press."


http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/snowden-says -h e-no-longer-has-documents-he-took-nsa-n117506
 
2014-06-02 06:18:35 PM
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2014-06-02 07:06:54 PM
You know who else sought asylum in Brazil?
 
2014-06-02 07:51:01 PM
The Obama administration says Snowden is welcome to return, but only to face trial for exposing sensitive information it says aided US enemies.

No way in hell he gets a fair trial.

Benevolent Misanthrope: You know who else sought asylum in Brazil?


russellsphotography.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-02 08:18:42 PM

RexTalionis: Wait, I'm confused about something. In this article, he that he still has more documents to release.

However he said that he had more documents to release relating to US spying on countries that include Britain and Brazil.

http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-seeks-asylum-sunny-brazil-044217236.ht ml

However, 5 days ago, he said:

"The reality is today, I hold no documents at all," he said in interview excerpts released Thursday, one day after the extended interview aired in an NBC primetime special.
...
"Now, I could've held on to that and tried to use it to - to threaten the government," Snowden said. "I could've used it to try to sell it or enrich myself. But that would've gone against everything that I was trying to do."
"So the question was, what do I do with it at that point?" he continued. "And the solution that I came up with was to destroy it. To take it out of my hands and entrust it fully to the institutions of the press."

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/snowden-says -h e-no-longer-has-documents-he-took-nsa-n117506


It's not that hard to figure out.  The people that he entrusted it to have the documents.  They'll keep releasing docs to keep the story relevant.  If they released them all at once, I doubt it would be getting the play it has.
 
2014-06-02 08:24:25 PM
Now this just makes it more obvious that Snowden just wants a fresh supply of sexy tail. Now that he's got his fill of White Russians, he wants to cross the pond to get himself a nice Carnival Cruise.
 
2014-06-02 08:35:12 PM
While the climate in Brazil is in many ways superior to the climate in Russia, I would be much, much more worried about midnight visits from the CIA in Brazil than I would be in Moscow.
 
2014-06-02 08:37:58 PM

qorkfiend: While the climate in Brazil is in many ways superior to the climate in Russia, I would be much, much more worried about midnight visits from the CIA in Brazil than I would be in Moscow.


I'd for sure have broken glass and razor wire around the compound walls and a few guard dogs...but that is standard there in my experience.
 
2014-06-02 09:15:31 PM

qorkfiend: While the climate in Brazil is in many ways superior to the climate in Russia, I would be much, much more worried about midnight visits from the CIA in Brazil than I would be in Moscow.


Or cartels looking for leverage on the US.
 
2014-06-02 09:34:26 PM
If the CIA doesn't kill him, I wouldn't be surprised if Brazil handed him over in exchange for something they want such as the US not retaliating on tariffs. The current president might not work out a deal but she'll only be in office for so long. If you're going to hide out in a BRIC country, better make it an even numbered letter.

/That goes for Star Trek movies too
 
2014-06-02 10:02:35 PM

RexTalionis: Wait, I'm confused about something. In this article, he that he still has more documents to release.

However he said that he had more documents to release relating to US spying on countries that include Britain and Brazil.

http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-seeks-asylum-sunny-brazil-044217236.ht ml

However, 5 days ago, he said:

"The reality is today, I hold no documents at all," he said in interview excerpts released Thursday, one day after the extended interview aired in an NBC primetime special.
...
"Now, I could've held on to that and tried to use it to - to threaten the government," Snowden said. "I could've used it to try to sell it or enrich myself. But that would've gone against everything that I was trying to do."
"So the question was, what do I do with it at that point?" he continued. "And the solution that I came up with was to destroy it. To take it out of my hands and entrust it fully to the institutions of the press."

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/snowden-says -h e-no-longer-has-documents-he-took-nsa-n117506


He does not have copies of the documents with him. However, he does coordinate with the people who do have copies. It ain't magic.
 
2014-06-02 10:09:56 PM
It's the one thing in all this that I don't understand: why did he go to Hong Kong to meet the reporter?  Why not go to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US, get yourself settled in and THEN meet with the press?
 
2014-06-02 10:31:23 PM

fusillade762: No way in hell he gets a fair trial.


Better than a drone strike.
 
2014-06-02 11:27:05 PM
If we had a Republican in the White House, they would be "invading" Brazil to get Snowden.
 
2014-06-02 11:38:39 PM

fusillade762: No way in hell he gets a fair trial.


How would you define "fair trial"?
 
2014-06-02 11:53:57 PM
fark this guy and fark all you lib traitors that think he's some kind of hero for having a sleepover with Putin
 
2014-06-03 12:01:13 AM

falcon176: fark this guy and fark all you lib traitors that think he's some kind of hero for having a sleepover with Putin


Oh hey, you're back. You still need to work on your trolling.

You should also hope there's no one around who remembers the thread where you basically said "Fark this, I'm just gonna be a troll from now on."
 
2014-06-03 12:16:59 AM
You people complaining about fixed trials and drone strikes against Snowden realize you're truthers right?  You're conspiracy nuts.
 
2014-06-03 12:36:23 AM
"Snowden's temporary asylum in Russia expires in August. Washington has revoked his US passport, so his travel options are limited."

Who cares if his US passport is expired. He's in Russia. Will Russia give him a passport? Fark no. Did you think he has freedom to leave?
They have him, I doubt they'll let go easily. But to piss off the US Government, maybe a passport to Brazil might be in order. (Who knows?)
 
2014-06-03 12:54:06 AM

Stoker: "Snowden's temporary asylum in Russia expires in August. Washington has revoked his US passport, so his travel options are limited."

Who cares if his US passport is expired. He's in Russia. Will Russia give him a passport? Fark no. Did you think he has freedom to leave?
They have him, I doubt they'll let go easily. But to piss off the US Government, maybe a passport to Brazil might be in order. (Who knows?)


If Brazil will take him then almost certainly Russia will facilitate this. There is no shortage of middle fingers in either country to give the US.

Not that it's right, but since when has that mattered?
 
2014-06-03 01:13:59 AM

Hastor: You people complaining about fixed trials and drone strikes against Snowden realize you're truthers right?  You're conspiracy nuts.


This. Plus, a trial wouldn't HAVE to be fixed to find Snowden guilty. Whether or not he did it for a worthy cause, the fact that he broke the law isn't really in question.
 
2014-06-03 02:14:18 AM
It would be funny if he was granted asylum in Bolivia after the way the US committed air piracy and violated all kinds of diplomatic norms because they thought Snowden might be on the presidential plane. I know they offered once upon a time. Bolivia isn't paradise but I'm sure it's better than a room in the Ecuadorian embassy like Assange has been rotting away in.
 
2014-06-03 03:12:38 AM

LordJiro: Hastor: You people complaining about fixed trials and drone strikes against Snowden realize you're truthers right?  You're conspiracy nuts.

This. Plus, a trial wouldn't HAVE to be fixed to find Snowden guilty. Whether or not he did it for a worthy cause, the fact that he broke the law isn't really in question.


If the law says you must conceal injustice, then isn't the law itself illegal?

Is it even possible to break an illegal law?
 
2014-06-03 03:58:43 AM

fusillade762: The Obama administration says Snowden is welcome to return, but only to face trial for exposing sensitive information it says aided US enemies.

No way in hell he gets a fair trial.


oh he'd get a fair trial, and he'll be found guilty in that fair trial, because he's guilty.
 
2014-06-03 04:00:58 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: If the law says you must conceal injustice, then isn't the law itself illegal?


nope.

Lawyers With Nukes: Is it even possible to break an illegal law?


the law he broke isn't illegal.
 
2014-06-03 04:55:37 AM

EngineerAU: It would be funny if he was granted asylum in Bolivia after the way the US committed air piracy and violated all kinds of diplomatic norms because they thought Snowden might be on the presidential plane. I know they offered once upon a time. Bolivia isn't paradise but I'm sure it's better than a room in the Ecuadorian embassy like Assange has been rotting away in.


As long as LeFors doesn't show up. Then he might be in trouble.
 
2014-06-03 07:23:37 AM
I just got back from Brazil and I'm half seriously considering moving there, it's a beautiful country populated by and large by wonderful people.  I can't imagine a better place to be granted asylum.

bluenovaman: qorkfiend: While the climate in Brazil is in many ways superior to the climate in Russia, I would be much, much more worried about midnight visits from the CIA in Brazil than I would be in Moscow.

I'd for sure have broken glass and razor wire around the compound walls and a few guard dogs...but that is standard there in my experience.


Only in some places, there are many places in Brazil that are very safe.
 
2014-06-03 07:52:06 AM

Egoy3k: I just got back from Brazil and I'm half seriously considering moving there, it's a beautiful country populated by and large by wonderful people.  I can't imagine a better place to be granted asylum.

bluenovaman: qorkfiend: While the climate in Brazil is in many ways superior to the climate in Russia, I would be much, much more worried about midnight visits from the CIA in Brazil than I would be in Moscow.

I'd for sure have broken glass and razor wire around the compound walls and a few guard dogs...but that is standard there in my experience.

Only in some places, there are many places in Brazil that are very safe.


Unless you are local or hooked up you will have a helluva time getting work. My sister moved there about a year ago. Even with a biology degree and years of experience she is having trouble earning a living there.
 
2014-06-03 08:18:02 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: LordJiro: Hastor: You people complaining about fixed trials and drone strikes against Snowden realize you're truthers right?  You're conspiracy nuts.

This. Plus, a trial wouldn't HAVE to be fixed to find Snowden guilty. Whether or not he did it for a worthy cause, the fact that he broke the law isn't really in question.

If the law says you must conceal injustice, then isn't the law itself illegal?

Is it even possible to break an illegal law?


A law requiring that you conceal injustice may be immoral, unreasonable and stupid, but it would only be illegal if there is a higher law stating that such a law cannot be passed. Since the Constitution doesn't specifically enshrine a right to reveal injustice, and since you have to voluntarily waive your right to free speech on certain topics in order to receive a security clearance, there doesn't seem to be anything illegal about making what he did illegal.

It may be unjust to do so, but again, that's not the same thing as being illegal.
 
2014-06-03 11:14:21 AM

fusillade762: No way in hell he gets a fair trial.


Did he commit a crime? Yes.
Did he confess to the crime? Yes.  Multiple times.

There isn't any need for a trial at all.  That's as fair as it gets, sparky.
 
2014-06-03 01:02:43 PM

log_jammin: fusillade762: The Obama administration says Snowden is welcome to return, but only to face trial for exposing sensitive information it says aided US enemies.

No way in hell he gets a fair trial.

oh he'd get a fair trial, and he'll be found guilty in that fair trial, because he's guilty.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
2014-06-03 01:31:20 PM

Delta1212: Since the Constitution doesn't specifically enshrine a right to reveal injustice

....

The Constitution doesn't grant rights to citizens.
 
2014-06-03 02:00:13 PM

neenerist: Delta1212: Since the Constitution doesn't specifically enshrine a right to reveal injustice ....

The Constitution doesn't grant rights to citizens.


Either I've fallen into a parallel universe where the Bill of Rights doesn't exist, or you don't know what a constitutional amendment is.
 
2014-06-03 03:20:48 PM

Delta1212: neenerist: Delta1212: Since the Constitution doesn't specifically enshrine a right to reveal injustice ....

The Constitution doesn't grant rights to citizens.

Either I've fallen into a parallel universe where the Bill of Rights doesn't exist, or you don't know what a constitutional amendment is.


I think he's going for the "it just enumerates rights they already had and specifies that the government can't trample those particular ones" angle,
 
2014-06-03 03:44:19 PM

incendi: Delta1212: neenerist: Delta1212: Since the Constitution doesn't specifically enshrine a right to reveal injustice ....

The Constitution doesn't grant rights to citizens.

Either I've fallen into a parallel universe where the Bill of Rights doesn't exist, or you don't know what a constitutional amendment is.

I think he's going for the "it just enumerates rights they already had and specifies that the government can't trample those particular ones" angle,


Damn, I came up with a couple interpretations of what he was going for but that was an obvious one I missed.
 
2014-06-04 12:03:50 AM

RexTalionis: Wait, I'm confused about something. In this article, he that he still has more documents to release.

However he said that he had more documents to release relating to US spying on countries that include Britain and Brazil.

http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-seeks-asylum-sunny-brazil-044217236.ht ml

However, 5 days ago, he said:

"The reality is today, I hold no documents at all," he said in interview excerpts released Thursday, one day after the extended interview aired in an NBC primetime special.
...
"Now, I could've held on to that and tried to use it to - to threaten the government," Snowden said. "I could've used it to try to sell it or enrich myself. But that would've gone against everything that I was trying to do."
"So the question was, what do I do with it at that point?" he continued. "And the solution that I came up with was to destroy it. To take it out of my hands and entrust it fully to the institutions of the press."

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/snowden-says -h e-no-longer-has-documents-he-took-nsa-n117506


I suspect that he said there are more documents to be released and the article got it wrong. Snowden claims to have turned everything over to Greenwald and other journalists, who are still processing it. More is to be released, but not by Snowden.
 
2014-06-04 12:07:25 AM

ds615: fusillade762: No way in hell he gets a fair trial.

Did he commit a crime? Yes.
Did he confess to the crime? Yes.  Multiple times.

There isn't any need for a trial at all.  That's as fair as it gets, sparky.


A fair trial would allow him to present a "public interest" defense, and that's explicitly disallowed.

We might have different definitions of "fair" - mine involves allowing the jury to hear all the evidence, including the context in which the offense was committed. Perhaps yours doesn't. I prefer mine.
 
2014-06-04 12:10:48 AM

AndreMA: ds615: fusillade762: No way in hell he gets a fair trial.

Did he commit a crime? Yes.
Did he confess to the crime? Yes.  Multiple times.

There isn't any need for a trial at all.  That's as fair as it gets, sparky.

A fair trial would allow him to present a "public interest" defense, and that's explicitly disallowed.

We might have different definitions of "fair" - mine involves allowing the jury to hear all the evidence, including the context in which the offense was committed. Perhaps yours doesn't. I prefer mine.


All of the evidence not illegally gathered by the government, of course. I support excluding such.
 
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